Why is there so many people who think they’re underpaid?

[Kingofkings1992]

They work a job that requires no skills, and anyone with a pulse can do, and they think they deserve high wages. No, you should not be making $20/ hour working at Wendy’s. I know a 19 year old girl who works in housekeeping, she makes $16.50 and she thinks she’s underpaid. lol, it’s not like she’s been doing the shit for 20+ years. Gimme a break

[Anonymous]

If you work full-time you should be able to afford to live in the area you work. That's why it's called a "living wage." That's the bare minimum they should be paid, and that will vary depending on the cost of living near the location.

If it's a place you need to make 20 dollars an hour to afford to live there, and there's a Wendy's in that city, the people who work at that Wendy's also need to be able to afford to live there.

This isn't even taking into account people who have kids—especially single parents. Since child labor is and should remain illegal, parents need to be paid (at minimum) enough so that they can afford to live with their children in the area they work.

I'm in an area where a living wage for a two-parent one-child household is just over 18 dollars (that's each parent making 18 an hour, full-time). I make more than 18, but my wife makes minimum wage (just over 12), so even though I theoretically should be making more than enough to live here since I have a "high-skill" job, we can actually barely afford it because minimum wage is so far below the living wage that all my "extra" goes to making up the difference.

[normalice]

We tolerate job creators because they provide the means for their employees to live. If they are not doing that - if our tax dollars have to go towards supplementing the difference between what they are paid and what they need - then we may as well just do it all with taxes and so don't need the business.

The simple fact is the difference between what a business earns and what a business pays its employees needs justification. If it is entirely for expanding and improving the business, fine, but I any of it is just because the owner wants to have more money, thats wage theft. And any discussion about what wages are fair that doesn't include a plan for stopping wage theft is really just a plan to protect wage theft.

[desidoll]

Because they refuse to take responsibility on their spending habit. Eating outside daily, buy unnecesarry things, go on vacation knowing their budget is tight enough etc… The easiest way is to blame your boss. If you are truly not happy with the pay, leave and find a better job. They won’t, because they know it is not their wage issue, it is them.

[DrPepper12]

I noticed you failed to mention corporate greed and structural inequality

[desidoll]

@DrPepper12 It happens, but I assume he’s talking about the good, reasonable employers.

[DrPepper12]

I'm not so sure...

[MzAsh]

I hate housekeeping work myself so I’d pay a housekeeper extremely well to come do my place. I’d make damn sure they have a livable wage because I respect them that much. My mom and aunt used to make good money cleaning rich communities. That’s where the money is. Hotels won’t pay shit and that’s why there’s bedbugs.

[MzAsh]

But to your point, I get it, BUT I also think there’s incentive for putting up with bs. As there should be. Working at Wendy’s doesn’t take much skill other than patience for the general public, which mine is long gone. After working in food and retail, you’d have to pay me the big bucks before I go do that shit again.

[Flatmanlewis]

Because people simply focus on what will improve their lives. Truth be told the US inflation rate over the last few years under the Biden Administration has been substantial and people needed a boost so in some regard I accept that it was necessary.


Yet, unskilled labor is unskilled labor and doesn’t rate a salary commensurate with a skilled, certified, or qualified trade. It’s an insult to those who worked hard to learn a skill to be paid the same as a high-school kid jiggling a basket of French fries in a burger joint.

[DrPepper12]

One: inflation follows a pandemic each and every time. It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was in the White House!
Second: Then the answer is to raise the wages of skilled and certified labor not to reduce that of unskilled labor.

[Flatmanlewis]

I can’t disagree with you, DrPepper12.

[Flatmanlewis]

Although I do think things would be different under a Jesus Christ Administration.

[DrPepper12]

True. We would have never had prohibition.

[Chazmatazz269]

Mostly because they are. Housekeeping in particular, is a job most people don’t want to do. Doesn’t have to require a great deal of education and skill. You’re providing a service so that other people don’t have to do shitty work. More often than not for someone who is still making four to five times more anyway.
Are you equally frustrated with the unproductive twats heading up corporations and making hundreds of millions of dollars for doing literally nothing? Sometimes for running a company straight into the ground? Or do you believe those fatcat pricks when they tell you it’s the working poor who is oppressing you? Ell oh ell!

[MrOracle]

Jobs have NEVER paid based on what people don't LIKE to do - they have always paid based on how necessary the job was, how high the level of skill needed to do the job, and how many people were willing to do the job.

Housekeeping and other low-skill jobs have plenty of people who are willing to take the work, and so the wages are low. Jobs that require a high level of skill, that few people in the world can do, but people feel is vital to get done, tend to have very high pay. Most other jobs are somewhere in between. That's how it should be.

Nothing prevents someone working in housekeeping from learning new, more valuable skills and changing jobs to earn more money. That's pretty much the story of the US, actually - many millions of immigrants came to the US, often with few needed skills, and they had to learn new skills and take chances in order to succeed. Not everyone did succeed, but everyone at least had a PATH to succeed.

In non-capitalist countries, if you are born lower class, you will die lower class, and the same with the middle class - because there is no possibility of upward mobility. That's why so much of the world wants to come to the US - they UNDERSTAND that they cannot succeed in their own country, and are willing to take ANY job to be here, no matter how hard or disgusting, because they are willing to learn and develop skills and climb the ladder to success.

[Chazmatazz269]

You are grossly mistaken. Jobs pay based on education, skill and experience AND the number of qualified people SEEKING those jobs. When people and organizations can’t find people to scrub their shit-stained walls, they offer more money until the position is filled. That’s how it always has been. There are thousands of people with four-year degrees who make minimum wage because they chose a field that too many other people can and will do. Supply and demand, friend.

[Chazmatazz269]

Also, don’t post your idiocy on my responses. Your passion is surpassed only by your ignorance. I have no use for either.

[DrPepper12]

@MrOracle you have NO CLUE how expensive it is to be poor. Typical elitist thinking. Probs a bummer who said "I got mine" and pulled up the ladder for socioeconomic success for everybody else.

[MrOracle]

@Chazmatazz269 You just essentially repeated what I said. Did you even READ my post?

@DrPepper12 This "elitist" is a product of lower-middle-class parents and lower-class grandparents, and someone who has had a job since he was 11 (and that doesn't count mowing laws and raking leaves for money since I was 7). How many elitists do you know who had no college fund, and who have never owned a new car?

Also, how many people have YOU employed?

Instead of attacking me personally, why don't you tell me why you think I'm wrong?

[Kingofkings1992]

@Chazmatazz269 he can respond to any comment he wants to. If you wanna be a child, and be antagonistic because someone has a different view than you, then get the hell off my post.

[Chazmatazz269]

Aawww… look at the snowflake butt hurt because he’s wrong and refuses to admit it. If you can’t handle the truth. Block me. I have no use for your willful ignorance anyway. I’m just posting to make sure people who don’t actually know any better see facts instead of your wild misinformation.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Chazmatazz269 your lack of self awareness is rather amusing. You can’t handle an opposing view with some decency and respect. The only snowflake here is you, my friend. No use for willful ignorance? Okay, sure. You definitely have some use for being taught how to form a proper sentence 🤣

[Chazmatazz269]

Differing opinions are welcome here! Suggesting that your opinion is FACT is not. That’s misinformation. It shouldn’t be allowed by admin. Since it is, i make it a point to correct people like yourself. I always will. Aren’t you the same person who thinks he gets to rewrite laws at his own discretion? And you think I lack self awareness? Ell oh ell!

[DrPepper12]

@MrOracle the fact that you think there is social mobility, let alone UPWARD mobility tells me all I need to know. You traffic in lies knowingly or unknowingly. You're probably a boomer and by definition elitist becuz you got what you wanted and fuck everyone else. The point of this exercise is not what you posted but whether 40 hours a week labor should translate to a livable wage. Clearly it should. A minimum wage will force employers to hear that burden and as such is better than a UBI which is taxpayer funded.

[DarkLegacy]

Here in the UK there are two main reasons why this happens, one is to bring down the Conservative government and the other is to get handouts from the government. It is mostly by the younger generations who want to be able to waste money on all the made up festival crap that comes from the USA.

And so they can avoid paying their bills. They are going on strike for not getting a pay rise for the most basic of jobs. All they are doing is talking themselves out of a job and be replaced by robots.

[Redstang88]

Because corporate profits are through the roof along with cost of living and people can’t make ends meet.
You’re not totally wrong, but minimum wage here isn’t even close to survival money, you have to be well into 6 figures to even consider living without roommates. I don’t know what the solution is but the way things are now just isn’t working

[DrPepper12]

Universal Basic Income is the solution along with minimum wage regional adjustments.

[jshm2]

You need to be broken in half, it seems.

Wages should match the work, tax and expenses. Working under that is basically slavery.

[Kingofkings1992]

And who’s gonna break me in half? You?

[JacobJordan]

She is underpaid. Anything that is less than a livable wage is underpaid. A person should be able to work and survive on 1 job. Now that does not mean living outside their means or an extravagant lifestyle.

[Kingofkings1992]

No, she is not

[Kingofkings1992]

A living wage is even definable. It’s entirely subjective

[Kingofkings1992]

Not*

[JacobJordan]

A livable wage is very easily definable what are you on about. A livable wage is the wage at which an average person can afford all the average costs of living. The average American spends $61,334 on expenses. So that is your cost of living. Anything under that is underpaid.

[Kingofkings1992]

Lmao 🤣

[Kingofkings1992]

I have survived very well on 38k/ year before. Don’t sit here and tell me that you have to make at least 60k/year, or you’re underpaid. You sound ridiculous. That equals $30/ hour. No person working in housekeeping makes that.

[JacobJordan]

I am not telling you that. I am telling you what is publicly fuckin available retard. When you accept poverty as "very well" you become part of the problem.

[Kingofkings1992]

Actually, when you tell another person what wage they have to be making in order to be OK, you’re part of the problem. Later dumbass I’m done with this

[JacobJordan]

Well I pay all my staff a livable wage cause I am not a piece of shit. But hey what do I know lol. Failure

[Kingofkings1992]

Again, we arrive back at the previous point. A living wage is subjective. Bye-bye.

[JacobJordan]

No it really isn't lol. I asked all my staff what they needed to live. I gave them that + 25%. Really simple. As a result I never have issues keeping staff. The average is 61k so the average salary should be 61k. Just because you are too scared to think you deserve more doesn't mean you don't.

[DrPepper12]

That's funny. The Fed does it everyday with regional breakdowns and forecasts.

[DrPepper12]

Take care of a family if 4 on that $38K. Good luck!

[Kingofkings1992]

@DrPepper12 I agree for family of four you need more

[DrPepper12]

EVERYONE deserves a wage that provides the basics of food, clothing, shelter, savings and some discretionary spending. If a minimum wage can't provide it then a UBI should supplement it. (Universal Basic Income)

[Astarlessnightsky]

They work a fulltime job and don't have enough money to live. This means they are underpaid.

[msc545]

Try actually being a fast food worker or a housekeeper, and then post on GaG again and tell us what you think YOU should have been paid. Until then, stop opining about the value of work you have never done and know nothing about please.

[Anonymous]

Why are there so many companies who think they are are over paying their employees?

that’s the real question.

[In_Trance]

The reality is not a single person is underpaid.
The other reality is, is that a minimum wage protects weak-minded people. This should be abolished

[DrPepper12]

Another compassionate conservative speaks... So we as a society should not mitigate the negative externalities of laissez faire capitalism?

[In_Trance]

@DrPepper12
I'm not conservative.
Yes we should.
But we won't.
This has nothing to do with the original question.

[exitseven]

Is there anybody who does not think that they are underpaid?

[Anonymous]

Anyone could do any job really. It's the experience and skill that really matter.

[Kingofkings1992]

Gotta say I disagree with this

[Opinion Owner]

Given enough time and training any healthy person could do any job (excluding things like physical disabilities with no cure)

[Sargentcaptain]

Because they're overtaxed.

[Iron_Man]

Like Odell Beckham Jr.

[Iron_Man]

Just signed with the dolphins, but he’s over paid and he held out a long time

[darkcloud1945]

It is called A WOKE EDUCATION!

[DrPepper12]

Don't you have a funeral to attend?

[darkcloud1945]

@DrPepper12 Everyone I know is gone just leaving your funeral to attend when your body stops functioning because your brain died a long time ago

[DrPepper12]

Says the guy who can't define woke but buys his ED pills from Alex Jones

[Kingofkings1992]

@DrPepper12 can I have a Dr Pepper please?

[DrPepper12]

Sure. Just define woke.

[darkcloud1945]

@DarkLegacy

[darkcloud1945]

@DrPepper12 WOKE=DrPepper 12

[DarkLegacy]

@darkcloud1945 you tagged me?

[DrPepper12]

You can't. Just like you can't for BDS. DEI. Critical race theory. Liberalism. Etc. go back to newsmax and jerk off to the Trump rally reruns

[darkcloud1945]

@DrPepper12 Open your WOKE mouth wide

[Lokiion]

They are you can afford to live off that

[gorydetails]

Everyone overvalues themselves.