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**In your Own Eyes. xxoo
I know in law they say it is upto the accuser to prove guilt. Not for the defendant to prove their innocence.
BUT I think if the innocent person CAN prove they are innocent then they should. Why be stubbon and prolong the process?
Real life example:
My ex accused me a lot of talking guys or being on dating apps on my phone. I openly showed him my phone or who I was talking to everytime. I've got nothing to hide. And yes I could say "I'm innocent so why should I show my phone. It's private"
Him on other hand... was whatsapping someone back and forth whilst cuddling me. But tilting his phone so I couldn't accidentally see. When I questioned him about it he said he was texting him mum. He could have flashed his phone to prove it. But he didn't. My suspicion grew and I went to bed angry. We starred arguing in morning. He to this day will swear blue it was his mum (we been broken up 4 weeks now) and that I should trust him and not see his phone.
Whether he was innocent or not? I don't know. But his words and behaviour all point to GUILTY in my book. Based on fact he wouldn't show the proof to shut me up and make me feel happier (which if he loved me surely he wd want to reassure me).
Mob rule nonsense. Sometimes it's hard to prove your innocence and you need a good lawyer. why have Democrats fallen so hard.
@WilliamPamer446 yes sometimes it's hard. Or even impossible and you have to hope for the best. But this post was about if it IS easy to prove why wouldn't you?
Well because sometimes it makes you look worse and it's better to wait a few days or some.
But I agree it's probably best to do it earlier, but for some people they don't have that luxury.
Possibly. In most cases it can be true. In few others however the person refuses out of matters of principle. Xx
Could also be a possibility. The important thing is to keep an open mind and take into account all possibilities. Xx
Thank you!! xx
In legal contexts, a person's refusal to produce proof when requested does not automatically render them guilty. Guilt is determined through a fair legal process that considers all available evidence and arguments. However, in certain situations, such as during trials or investigations, failing to provide evidence requested by authorities or the court may lead to adverse inferences or consequences. This can vary depending on the jurisdiction and the specific circumstances of the case. Ultimately, guilt or innocence is decided based on the totality of evidence presented and the legal standards applied, not solely on a refusal to produce proof.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. You can and not only should say nothing in a courtroom if you are pressed with charges. Hire a lawyer and shut the fuck up if anything legal happens and cops talk to you. Even detain you shut the fuck up and hire a lawyer. Dosen't matter what happened.
Fun fact George Washington himself would trade freedom to vote for a jury of peers.
Then creating the most robust legal system where he's proud of. worthy for fighting for independence for all Americans and left everything for other to figure out interms of our constitution rights.
You honestly can't prove innocence. Even with self defense. You talk to the cops
"I was scared when the burglar threatened me."
So you shot the innocent man in anger?
"What no I was scared."
Did you not just say threatened and that anger you?
"I mean yes but"
This what happens every time if you try to prove being innocent. That is and will happen if you ever talk to a cop.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. If you're on a jury, you presume innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
"Everyone is innocent until proven guilty"; ignores the fact that a person going to trial is, in fact, one or the other. The system is primarily designed to protect innocent people from being found guilty (less so the other way around).
If the police thought everyone was innocent, who would they investigate for crimes?
The court of public opinion, or personal opinion, doesn't need presumption of innocence.
If a neighbour moans about a tree in my garden for years, then one day it gets cut down in my absence, should I think they're innocent?
@goaded the jury of peers are only told relevant information and only relevant information. There shouldn't be said previous assumptions.
Like you said your neighbor is bitching about the tree and and you accused them but can't prove it because the reality is someone else did it. The burden of proof is there for a reason.
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In legal contexts, a person is not automatically considered guilty simply because they refuse to produce proof when asked. In many legal systems, there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. This means that the burden of proof typically rests on the party making the accusation or claim. Refusing to produce proof or evidence may raise suspicion or lead to adverse inferences, depending on the circumstances, but it does not establish guilt in itself.
However, in civil cases or specific legal proceedings where a party is required by law or court order to produce certain evidence, failure to comply can result in consequences such as fines, sanctions, or adverse judgments. In criminal cases, the prosecution generally bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and a defendant's refusal to produce evidence does not automatically establish guilt.
Overall, whether someone is considered guilty depends on the totality of evidence presented and proven in accordance with the applicable legal standards, not solely on their refusal to produce evidence.
At first I thought yes and then I thought about it… it really depends on the context.
Just because someone refuses to produce their identification doesn’t mean they are guilty of not having it.
In the USA the fourth amendment protects every American from unreasonable search and seizure meaning any American does not have to show their identification to an officer upon request unless there’s reasonable articulate suspicion of a crime is being committed.
When a boyfriend refuses to show you his text thread between he and his ex then there’s a pretty good reason to believe that there’s probably something there.
So honestly it depends.
Sometimes but not always. There are somethings that are personal or some people are just private.
I'm a private person who's an introvert, and I can image if I were ever accused of a crime where I needed an aliby, I could be too embarrassed to say what I was really doing that evening lol. (Like hooking up with a narcissist ex but being too ashamed to admit I'm still into the sex, lol)
Some people who refuse evidence are guilty as sin... Like the politicians who cheat on their taxes and refuse to release them to the public. Yeah, I get some things are personal but who cares? They're just taxes! Not a diary lol
Nope, in the US legal system, a defendant isn't required to provide anything that might implicate them. They are presumed innocent until proven guilty, which is the prosecution's responsibility to prove.
That same philosophy carries over to personal interactions.
In terms of law, no. A person is considered innocent until proven guilty. However, he/she automatically becomes a suspect, because investigators might consider his/her behaviour as questionable and try to decide what is the reason behind the refusal. As a result they might be more prone to put the blame on him/her.
No, it doesn’t mean they are guilty. For example, I was talking to a guy for a few months who constantly asked for my location. I refused to share it, and he assumed that I was up to no good or cheating. In reality, I believed that sharing my location was unhealthy. Constantly checking on each other’s whereabouts can cause stress and trust issues in a relationship. I prefer to trust my partner when they say they are going somewhere unless I have a genuine reason to suspect otherwise. I hope this helps.
If they have a reason they need me to trust them, I think of them as guilty if they get vague about proof, yeah. But if they don't really have a reason to care what I think it would be a waste of their time to prove themselves so I wouldn't fault them for it.
Nah. Every time you do something good it goes in the 'good' file. When you do something evil it goes in the 'evil file'. When you refuse to give proof it goes in the 'maybe' file. My opinion of you is based on the weights of these different files. Not, usually, one incident.
An example of context would be if my wife said our neighbor harmed her. She has a pretty big pile of "good" files in my book. When the neighbor says, "none of your business", it's not looking good for him and i'm not calling the cops either. I'll handle it myself. But if he said, "here's my alibi, you can check it" it's looking good for him.
In my personal opinion, it makes it more likely but not definite. If I were part of a jury, I could overcome that.
Similarly, on this site, if I ask someone a simple yes or no question and they refuse to answer, I'm pretty certain they agree with me but it doesn't match their political position.
I tend to reserve judgment, but it depends entirely on what' sort of character I've seen them to have, and what's being asked of them to produce.
If I know that you're a shifty sort of person, and the proof I'm asking you to produce is extremely accessible, there had better be some fantastic reasons that you're refusing to provide it.
It all depends the situation and what happened? I don't think a person is guilty if they don't provide proof but like I said depends the situation. I have been part of court cases where the Police asked for information etc.. and tried to manipulate someone I know. Each case is different in my opinion.
No. Only idiots ask for "proof". They don't tend to know the difference between that and evidence.
Personally, I value consistent logical reasoning most highly... then evidence... and anyone who so much as says "proof" unironically is almost certainly incapable of justifying anything they believe.
No, there is an infinite domain of non-existence 'proof' that could be asked for. In the real world it is quite likely that it is not possible to prove anyone innocent of a given crime simply because there is soo little available quality evidence.
This is why the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove guilt of the person of the crime.
If it's asked for by the legal system then I'd say yes, they're obviously hiding something.
But if you ask for it I'm going to tell you to sod off.
Refusing to produce proof for what reason? I do believe innocent until proven guilty, but willfully withholding proof that you definitely have is basically asking for a sentence.
nope...
but I think they can be charged with obstruction or something
It depends. If you say "Prove you didn't do it" Thats proving a negative and impossible, because it means you already made up your mind. on the other hand, its on you as the accuser to provide evidence that they did said thing.
Yes, otherwise why would they hide the proof. If they're innocent, they have nothing to hide.
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In America you are innocent until proven guilty unless you oppose the Biden Regime.
In a Court of Law get a lawyer. Between two people refusing to produce proof they ask to prove whatever the two parties are arguing about only makes them look guilty in that context it doesn't make them guilty.
No. It's not up to them to prove their innocence bur for you to prove their guilt.
You can always use the Killary excuse. “I do not recall!”
I believe that the Defendant isn’t required to provide anything that would prove their guilt.
Yes that means they are hiding something from me
No they just don’t wanna tell the truth and lie to me x
At a civil trial yes. In my opinion tho, it depends on who made the assertion then we'll know whose job it is to refute it.
Unfortunately, yes. But the absence of "proof" isn't proof in itself.
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In my eyes, yes I'd say they were guilty. As for the law, they are still innocent until proven guilty
I was just about to say. In the law it’s innocent until proven guilty but in a social context it’s the opposite.
They could be. It depends on who's asking. Why? You say? He'll, look around at America's ROGUE GOVERNMENT
It depends on the situation, what you think they did or didn't do, and what proof you asked for. None of this is simple.
No! You should feel pressured to prove something if you don't want to.
🤭 my mother always used to confront me about something and say she knows I'm lying and no matter how much I explained and defended my actions and innocence she never believed me saying I was a bad liar. So I gave up... 😅
When it comes to guilty until proven innocent, That's just ridiculous. How about the they prove their guilt?
Innocent until proven guilty and the burden of proof is not to prove innocence but for them to prove guilt.
Thanks, @nawtee_me xx
Not necessarily, sometimes the accused will see the claim so absurd that they refuse to show proof because they believe it would validate the claim
if it's within their power to do so but they refuse, it'll be very suspicious indeed
Yes. Innocent people are always willing to prove their innocence.
Depends, it might not be relevant to the crime
a person who's saying the truth has nothing to hide
One should never have to prove their innocence; only disprove their guilt.
Yeap far as I'm concerned
It depends on context tbh
Guilty? No- but suspicious, certainly.
No. They are guilty when proven to be guilty. Guilt is not proven by "wishful thinking".
It depends on the context.
No. Leaving doubt doesn't mean guilty.
No. That’s not how it’s supposed to work.
Depends on the situation
No I think you need to prove them guilty.
they should be.
would your parents let that slide?
Trump did this with his Ukraine impeachment. so many hypocrites
Only if you're a Republican.
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