What do you think about the UK threatening to extradite/prosecute you for exercising your free speech rights within your own country, not in the UK?

[OlderAndWiser]

In London, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley warned that officials will not only be cracking down on British citizens for commentary on the riots in the U. K., but on American citizens as well. "We will throw the full force of the law at people. And whether you’re in this country committing crimes on the streets or committing crimes from further afield online, we will come after you."

Apparently, he doesn't realize that Gen. Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown and the US now makes its own laws. This guy

is a supremely arrogant idiot and the people of the UK should be roundly condemning him for his remarks but. . . I doubt that will happen, because Brits are probably afraid that they will be locked away if they speak out. . . and that's one of the differences between the UK and the USA.

Imagine the reaction is the NYC Police Commissioner threatened to extradite UK citizens who had posted online comments that the Commissioner deemed to be offensive! Would anyone from the UK like to respond and explain this? Am I missing something here? Or is he going to come to Florida to extradite me for criticizing him?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/uk-police-commissioner-threatens-extradite-jail-us-citizens-over-social-media-posts-we-come-afte

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The point of this post is not to suggest that Americans, Australians, Colombians, or others should be worried about being extradited. I think that is a very remote possibility. The point is that this woke Police Commissioner has the audacity to make this threat without any regard for whether he could actually follow through on it.

[DextroShade]

I guess this fool never heard of the Declaration of Independence. The last time the British tried to enforce their laws here we shot them. If he tries it I will go 1776 on his ass!

[OlderAndWiser]

Call me if you need reinforcements!

[Dongie]

1814 we took a little trip. The Battle of N'Orleans.

[RingOfFire]

They are going to go after American citizens exercising their right to free speech WITHIN America?

Good luck with that one assholes. Bring it on.

[OlderAndWiser]

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How soon they forget!

[Snakeyes7]

We should start calling them redcoats again because they sure are acting like them.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

This is something else, but these things sadly happen.

[NamerOfStars]

Wait, WHAT? This isn't about Corwallis at Yorktown, but about Gambier at Ghent. We literally fought a war over this issue already (though that about slavery, not social media posts), and despite the US not having a standing army when it declared war, the English got their asses whupped so badly that Canada had to step in and save them.

Canada.

Maybe it's time for a "regime change" in the UK; goodness knows we've done it for stupider reasons. And the Irish would be our friends forever...

[OlderAndWiser]

It is wokeness run amok!

[jshm2]

He is within his rights, and has said nothing wrong. If you read his statement properly, rather than what you want to read, you would see that.

Any country has the right to close down and prosecute libel and/or illegal content. But obviously it relies on the courts and governments of the two countries.

He CAN petition Facebook, and the USA government. But it would be up to them whether to uphold or not.

It is nothing to do with "free speech". As you are able to say what you like. But not immune from the consequences of saying it. If I remember, the USA did the same thing on many occasions.

[OlderAndWiser]

If you are suggesting that he was not making a threat to arrest Americans for what they say when they are on American soil, you are wrong. "She then asked what the police force’s plan will be 'when it comes to dealing with people who are whipping up this kind of behavior from behind the keyboard who may be in a different country?' Rowley answered by telling the reporter, 'Being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law.'"

Further, you have missed the point. The offense is not in criminalizing certain speech. The offense is in thinking that the UK has the right to control what others say around the world.

Finally, saying that you are free to make a particular statement but you will be put in jail if you say it is inherently contradictory. It is the kind of word games in which people engage when they don't really have a cogent response.

[JesseP1nk]

It is nothing to do with "free speech". As you are able to say what you like. But not immune from the consequences of saying it. If I remember, the USA did the same thing on many occasions.

Its like North Korea would say. Ofcourse you can say what you want but after that we gonna execute for that. Its not free speech!!

[JesseP1nk]

You might wanna read what freedom of speech is.
Since you are too lazy to do that.
"Freedom of speech is the right to articulate opinions and ideas without interference, retaliation or punishment from the government"

When my opinion is that certain people are... and government (in this case police) is gonna punish me for that how is that not violating freedom of speech

Secondly: Online is not their jurisdiction what next? Iran is gonna sent order for your arrest?

[BetaBucks]

Being forced into a cage for unapproved word sequences is 100% a free speech topic. That's like saying you're allowed to murder, but there will be consequences (prison) for it. Free speech means the government can't lock you up for saying the wrong thing. That's what the 1st amendment is all about. And the US will never extradite our citizens for UK speech crimes, because of the 1st amendment. Unless the speech violates our own 1A exceptions, obviously. Like sexting a child, planning a crime, or directly inviting violence. Because those things are already illegal here and have nothing to do with holding the wrong opinion.

[Drewtate]

Russia too has freedom of speech but not freedom of consequences as many journalists found out. They call it defenestration.
But for the record the definition of free speech is:
" Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognised as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations. "

[Dongie]

Gee, Ima' scared to speak my true fuckin feelings against this pussie. And as far as the riots go they need to put a little creative spark into their efforts. I say if it can burn it should burn. If it can bleed it should bleed, right purplepoppy? Im sure you are on the right side of history here.

Maybe not. What can I say to get you to burn past our federal, state and especially local enforcement, as I know most of those guys. Grew up with a couple. Consider it said. What was it back 210 years ago, oh yeah. That dude Jackson made you cunts run for your lives. Down in N'Orleans.

[Dongie]

He's gonna arrest us like the guy bad mouthing on Facebook. While letting that rapist go free. You don't want my big mouth over there, pukeface. You woke shitstain fuckers.

[Dongie]

I hate you!!

[Dongie]

I can't get past this guy.

If I were a citizen of the UK, shit. I can't fight the country. But I couldn't stand this crap. They arrest a guy for popping off to another person on fb and imprisoning the dude, and a Muslim rapes a 12 year old girl repeatedly and gets community service. That guy, in the first place, wouldn't serve that service, but this jerk would never know it.

What a group of obvious bitch freaks are leftists in any language.

[Dongie]

🤣🤣🤣😂🤣 what a tool🤣🤣🤣😮😂

[BetaBucks]

This is standard American practice. We enforce our laws on other countries all the time. The question is whether or not the US will honor their extradition, and I'm thanking we won't. People have to remember that most of Europe doesn't have free speech, so if you go there, you're only allowed to say what is pre-approved or else they'll force you into a cage. That's the reality of it. Nothing you can do to change it.

[TommyMountainFigure]

We ARE meant to have free speech here in the UK. In fact there is a place called Speakers Corner in Hyde Park, (Central London) where you can go on Sundays and say absolutely ANYTHING. That dates back to sometime in the 1800's.

[OlderAndWiser]

@TommyMountainFigure We actually do have free speech here in the US. You can go almost anywhere in the US, 24/7/365, and express your opinions on any subject (with limited exceptions.) That dates back to 1789 and the adoption of our Bill of Rights.

I'm not interested in trading spots with anyone in the UK.

[TommyMountainFigure]

@OlderAndWiser That's ok, @betabucks said that most of Europe doesn't have free speech, I was telling him we're MEANT to have, and then explaining where and when it is encouraged openly. Unfortunately, when the far left get into power here though. it's only considered free speech if you side with terrorists!

[BetaBucks]

Yeah, tommy it's legitimately sad that basic human rights in Europe are so heavily restricted. It's basically "free speech as long as you say what we approve of saying" which we all know isn't genuine free speech. I hope it gets better though. I just can't understand how the left has become so anti-liberal. They used to be the protectors of human rights.

[TommyMountainFigure]

It would be nice @betabucks, but we have another 4 years of this..

[OlderAndWiser]

@TommyMountainFigure Exactly, and I hope I do not sound too critical of the UK, because we have the same problem with the left in the US.

[TommyMountainFigure]

@OlderAndWiser Nope you don't sound too critical at all. It's not even just a UK/ US Problem. The Far left getting in to power is a GLOBAL problem. They encourage immigration which we then have to pay for, and they expect us to feel good about that. They're given houses to stay in, cars to drive, spending money, ALL whilst there are many who have nowhere to live. They use up hospital resources, school places, etc. Again, we are expected to be happy about it.
Their biggest flaw however ISN'T even that they expect everyone to roll over, it's they class everyday middle of the road people who love their country far right racists.
So what happens? Well, history repeats and the REAL hardcore Right get a foothold, and before you know it.. WW3

[OlderAndWiser]

@TommyMountainFigure Absolutely, Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the errors of the past.

[purplepoppy]

No where in that article does he mention US ciitzens. In fox news seems to be the only one making the claim. When you have British citizens like Tommy Robinson directing riots from Cyprus why shouldn't he be arrested? Then there's Tusk promoting misinformation on X that's leading to people's deaths here. I believe under the terrorism act we do have an arrangement with the states to extradite terrorists.

The British don't want total free speech. We can see the huge social problems and divide it causes in America when people are subject to non stop unfettered abuse.

[OlderAndWiser]

She then asked what the police force’s plan will be "when it comes to dealing with people who are whipping up this kind of behavior from behind the keyboard who may be in a different country?"

Rowley answered by telling the reporter, "Being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law."

[worldscolide]

The threat is implied when he said "being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law" when responding to the different countries question. While granted he is too stupid to understand that he can't do what he is threatening. It doesn't change the threat. I do know that the US wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing.. And trust me on this, the UK would not survive a war with us.

[Levin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MyiRXvsC8

[monorprise]

Mere speech @purplepoppy does not make a man a terrorist. If the UK cared about miss-information they would abolish the BBC and Skynews. Until at least the State backed network is gone don't ask us to help protect your Orwellian despot leader from criticism.

Your treaty does not apply.

[Drewtate]

Was he directing riots from Cyprus or stating the truth.

[MrOracle]

Tommy Robinson has done no such thing, despite the rhetoric. He has merely reported on what was happening, and reported on the full context of why it's happening, which is humiliating to the British government. That's why he is being accused - to silence him.

The reality is that his complaint is absolutely true - the UK has a two-tiered system of justice, with minorities (particularly black minorities) being given preferential treatment and whites being treated like second class citizens.

The UK has long been against self defense and has had a "blame the victim" mentality, and while that could be tolerated in tiny numbers, mass immigration has so changed the demographics of London that the government hypocrisy has reached an intolerable level.

If the government doesn't make some serious changes, they might find out what happens when a large portion of their population has had enough. The longer it takes to make those changes, or the worse they treat the protesters, the worse it will be for them. The country won't run without blue-collar labor.

[Levin]

@MrOracle I believe now around 75% of the population is 'White British'.

The globalist liberal coalition (the Tories and Labour), and whatever is working in the shadows, aren't interested in the concerns of the ordinary voter. They're just interested in getting over the line, reaching the point of no return, as soon as possible. Arguably, we are already there.

[purplepoppy]

White British doesn't mean 25% are coloured. It's based on the question "how do you identify?" A big chunk of that remaining 25 % is made up of other white groups like Irish. Also many people only consider themselves English, welsh, Scottish rather than British

[Levin]

@purplepoppy D'ya think?

"82% of people in England and Wales are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group (2021 Census data)."

"https://www. ethnicity-facts-figures. service. gov. uk/#:~:text=82%25%20of%20people%20in%20England, a%20variety%20of%20ethnic%20backgrounds."

[purplepoppy]

You do know that 82% is a big number right

[Levin]

1 in 5 are non-white?

That's a major demographic change in a very short space of time.

According the to the 2001 census, 92% identified as white.

news.bbc.co.uk/.../ethnicity.stm

I'm presuming an exponential rate of change, cause most of the older white population will die off. So really what matters, the future, is in our primary schools.

A figure I hear banded about, but tbh, it sounds on the conservative side on the basis of all this data; and it's not one that I have had checked by the sanctity of BBC Verify; but on current projections the UK population is projected to be non-white by 2070.

I suppose I can take some solace that there's a high chance I won't be around by then. We'll see what kind of 'multicultural utopia' is awaiting us.

In the same space of time, probably before you were even born, the UK population was 59 million in 2000. Now it's 68 million in 2024.

[purplepoppy]

If you look at the distribution of non whites they're concentrated in a few small areas in most of the UK it's under 5%. around here it's well under 2% across the whole county and close to zero in places

[Levin]

Distribution is a valid point, to some degree. But at 1 in 5 it can't be that small an area.

And yes, I knew it would be low in your neck of the woods. Because it always is with people who don't actually have to deal with the consequences of what they advocate.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Simply put, you are only allowed free speech in the UK under Labour if you are against Israel. The sickening part of that is, Keir Starmer's Wife is part Jewish!

I'm just curious how long she keeps her mouth shut for, and if not before he throws HER in prison too!

[FreyaRed]

This isn't how extradition laws work. It's just gibberish to intimidate and showing of weakness and incompetence, because British police and prosecution has no strategy to prevent social destabilization caused by immigrants and foreign posters who can easily provoke muslims or derail British media narrative

[lightbulb27]

Were going there soon. I guess i have to be carwful whut i post.


People have a right to speak but then again ya can't yell fire in movie theatre when ya knkw there isn't one.


Is this basically a white lives matters protest? Tgeir concerns not heard for long time and finally blows up.


So sad for the girls and families attacked. Need to get to bottom of issue and fix root issues.


Then again if it was usa… probably 30 dead by gunshots.

[lightbulb27]

I vote no on extraditing me. Blymie you crackies!!

[19magic]

Anyone who says anything is being threatened with prison time, and as always saying anything nationalist is racist or far right. I've always had a sense of proudness of my own country we've done a lot in history but lately it's all a piece of crap and a total shit storm.

I hate to say it but UK is a democracy in paper only.

[Drewtate]

Depends on US-UK extradition laws. Many hackers have been extradited from the UK for instance.

Another 11 year old girl stabbed in London. But mean words on the Internet or disagreement with woke policies is a major problem. Read somewhere that UK police believe Andrew tate to be their biggest threat to kids in the UK rather than all the stabbings.

[Levin]

It would seem some people have been jailed with punitive three year sentences for the crime of being not very intelligent.

Well, in fact, they had committed a crime, incitement to violence, ie suggesting people should burn down hotels etc. They have committed the most grave crime in the UK. A twitter/facebook crime. Infininitely more heinous than any other crime here; particularly violent crime, grooming and rape; and deserving of the sternest of sentences.

[Levin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MyiRXvsC8

[genericname85]

it's not just the uk. the entire eu has this shit going on. they call it something along the lines of "ministry against misinformation and disinformation" and they basically make sure that only the national government media complex can spread fake news and everyone else who dares to show the actual facts or even just ask questions goes to prison.

[Levin]

This is true fellow.

This is why I mentioned intelligence in my post. These guys, these impassioned, foolish people, who to be fair did commit the crime of incitement to violence, which I in no sense support. But they're mostly being imprisoned for not knowing better and giving into their passions. For typing shit on the internet which we all at our worst can do.

The clue is in the word 'net' or 'web'. It's a sticky entangling thing.

Whatever they do or say stays there.

I'd advise people to de-netify themselves.

People need to use their intelligence. Because we can all see the direction of travel. The war that is being waged.

[genericname85]

eh. the puny human intelligence isn't gonna matter much longer as machines already surpassed us in that regard.

[Massageman]

The UK does not have the right to micromanage and control what others say around the world. If an American citizen- for example- were on UK soil and did not have some sort of "diplomatic immunity", then they MIGHT have a "case". Other than that, a good case could be made that just this seems to be another case of junk news meant to take the focus off the fact that UK is being overrun with crime, etc. when "rights" of some go past their boundaries and invade the rights of others.

[Anonymous]

I think I'm glad in the United States we have the 2cnd Amendment.

A disarmed population is helpless. Which is why gun owning Americans will never give them up. We'd rather be dead... because we know what comes next.

[OlderAndWiser]

This guy in London is talking about extraditing Americans, Australians, and others and prosecuting them in the UK for statements that they made while in their home countries.

[Juxtapose]

You really should not worry, any American lawyer will tell you that there is no way an American will be extradited to the U. K for violating hate speech laws from another country on American soil.

[OlderAndWiser]

I'm an not worried about being extradited. I am an attorney. The point of this question was the arrogance of this Police Commissioner in making such threats as if he could really follow through on them.

[Juxtapose]

Yes, he's on a power trip and is a retard.

[Chazmatazz269]

You’re as dumb as you think he is if you think that’s what those words mean.
Same as the US can, will and DOES hold US citizens accountable for their actions overseas, England can and will hold their own citizens accountable. So if some Brit says or does some dumb shit while in the US, they can expect a rude awakening upon returning home.
At NO time did this asshole or any other suggest that US citizens IN the US are subject to UK law.
Congratulations, you played yourself for a fool.

[OlderAndWiser]

He is talking about extraditing American citizens for prosecution, not arresting American citizens who are already in the UK.

And I am not the one calling people names. Get thee hence to endless night!

[BetaBucks]

Congrats, you support putting human beings into cages for unapproved sequences of words

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure they will be able to make that work and if they are not careful they might find they have more than enough on their hands "controlling" the native population.
Blatant two tiered unfairness from arrogant authoritarians has raised eyebrows already.

[BCA6010]

Sounds like typical stupidity from eurotrash governments. There's an abundance of much more serious issues they could and should be devoting their attention towards.

[psychobabble]

Hahaha! Let him come to Florida... We'll teach him good.

[OlderAndWiser]

I am Floridian by birth and my family has been here for 235 years! Thank God for the Free State of Florida and Gov. DeSantis!

[exitseven]

I am sort of surprised that this insanity is happening all over the world and not just in the USA. I imagine that the pendulum is beginning tp0p swing the other way. There has been a few Populist candidates that have been elected and in Venezuela the opposition is giving Maduro a formidable challenge to the recent election where he was declared the winner.

[foxsquirrell]

Freedom of expression has its limits. Probably they are not tolerating certain expressions, but why would it affect the vast majority of people? There is plenty of things to talk about.

Not exactly sure on what they are not tolerating freedom of expression.

[OlderAndWiser]

Do you understand that this guy is talking about trying to extradite Americans, Australians, and others and prosecute them in the UK for statements that they made in their home countries and not in the UK?

[foxsquirrell]

No I am not aware. If that is the case it seems to be far fetched. I don't know the criteria of what makes someone eligible to being extradited, and the law in that regard is probably complex (like most of the times) and open to interpretation, but still I think it is far fetched if he wants to extradite people from other countries for certain comments that they make. I don't know what he said exactly though.

[OlderAndWiser]

Quoting the article I cited above:

"She then asked what the police force’s plan will be 'when it comes to dealing with people who are whipping up this kind of behavior from behind the keyboard who may be in a different country?'

Rowley answered by telling the reporter, 'Being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law.'"

[foxsquirrell]

But this does not mean extradition!

[OlderAndWiser]

What other reasonable interpretation is there?

[worldscolide]

I'd love to see them try. Sorry no jurisdiction fuckers.

I thank god we have the constitution.

[onedarkcloud]

I am here waiting for you to come for me! Your soul belongs to GOD your ass belongs to me. Remember 1776 and 1812 did not work out for you. Want to try for 3x WAITING

[Snakeyes7]

Correct me if I am wrong but freedom of speech was never a right that the UK government promised to defend. That's how "hate speech" laws got passed so easily there.

[Avicenna]

Older, those of us who have lived in Western Europe know what totalitarian jackboots the leftists are there. And I could see a Harris Administration doing that to some of its political opponents.

The UK is a real cesspool these days.

[Anonymous]

Yea, that's not going to happen...
Even if British patriots submit to their Orwellian governments oppressive speech codes we will not.

[Unit1]

Weird old demented people making threats they can't do.

[OddBeMe]

Certainly makes the first amendment look like a crown jewel. I feel they’re just tiring of the idiot rioters. UK doesn’t have free speech but almost does. Doubt anyone would really have any trouble.

But if you’re inciting riots that’s illegal here too. Ask Donald. He’ll be on trial after he loses the election.

[Goahead76]

Don't listen to this little tyrant, he has no jurisdiction.

[Anonymous]

Simply American this is why you don't let them take your guns

[Anonymous]

There country is going to shit & everyone has to be silent?

[Caroline91]

When you are in another country, you obey their laws.

[OlderAndWiser]

Of course, and that is NOT what the article is about. Read it.

[Caroline91]

Whoops, I read it very late at night and did a bad job of skimming it and missed link. lol It's kind of a non issue since the UK would never be able to extradite US citizens for their online behavior. If a US citizen was physically present in the UK when posting on line, they could be physically detained I suppose.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes. The point of the post is not a genuine fear of being extradited; it is the absolute arrogance in this guy thinking he has such absolute power.

[Dongie]

Erh, the guy stands waaaaay over there and threatens me.

[JesseP1nk]

EU now try to censor Elon Musk

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1823076043017630114

[jjj101010]

I read this statement, there is no reference to the US. It said if u r committing the offences on the streets or further afield online. I would interpret that as being in the UK but not shouting it on the streets, instead posting it online.

[OlderAndWiser]

She then asked what the police force’s plan will be "when it comes to dealing with people who are whipping up this kind of behavior from behind the keyboard who may be in a different country?"

Rowley answered by telling the reporter, "Being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law."

[jjj101010]

Regardless, outside the UK is outside his jurisdiction and I doubt any other country would extradite for this.

[OlderAndWiser]

THAT is the whole point of my post. It's not that I'm afraid that he could do it; it's his arrogance in thinking that he can arrest anyone, anywhere because they said something he deems offensive.

[Agape93]

Tell him he can suck my clit

[Unit1]

You probably don't want him to do that, do you?

[Agape93]

Nope

[Agape93]

I have standards

[Typicalcanuck]

Sounds like 1984 over there.