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Ben Franklin once wrote "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
But he was referring to the gov of the colony of Pennsylvania accepting money from the British Penns to not raise taxes on the Penny family colonial holdings in order to raise money to defend its borders during the French & Indian (Seven Years) War.
But can you really say you're free if you're in danger from crime, for example? If kids have to go to school in de facto prisons with armed guards, bullet proof glass, etc, churches need armed guards, some people saying they only feel safe if they're armed in public, etc are we really free?
Isn't freedom from such fear we need to be armed everywhere and turning schools into fortresses and churches protected by guns true freedom?
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Safety is an illusion. Empower me with the ability to defend myself and I don't need big daddy government to do it for me the vast majority of the time.
You're still wearing a mask in public, aren't you.
I'm not contagious, so no. And that' doesn't answer the question, does it?
What about your asymptomatic spread?
I'll answer your questions when you answer the topic.
I did answer with an example. When you need government to keep every aspect of your life "safe", there's no limit to the tyranny they must impose.
if you use that extreme, you'd prefer the other: Somalia: 1990s where there was no gov to keep anyone safe, but there were also no laws and total liberty to do what you wanted.
Would you prefer Singapore today or Somalia of the 90s?
The function of government is to prevent others from violating my rights.
Ideally, yes, but in some places in the US, the gov does not do a very good job of that, and nearly everyone locks their homes at night, has cameras, locks up their cars, and many carry guns because they don't feel safe in public. Is that true liberty - to feel unsafe all the time?
We could ship our criminals off to Australia.
when countries are ranked by "most free," crime and safety are a consideration.
Are we really free when we have to turn our schools in fortresses with active shooter drills and our churches need armed guards?
Ok, tell the trannies to stop shooting up schools. Problem solved.
www.reuters.com/.../
Well yeah, then you have to stop blacks from committing mass shootings also. Let me know when you get that done.
last time a black shot up a school or church was...
I don't live in the inner city, so I don't fear drive bys.
Oh, so you only care when it affects you personally? How selfish.
I was responding to your racism. You suggested I'd be safe if blacks stopped committing crimes. Black crime is not why we are turning our schools into fortresses and having lock down drills, nor is it why churches have armed guards.
I don't blame black people for that.
You anti gun nuts decided you wanted to expand the definition of "mass shooting" to make the problem look more severe. Turns out under the new definition of mass shooting, it's mostly gangbangers doing drivebys. So again, if you want to keep that definition then you have to address the larger problem.
Calling me racist for having factual information is the usual shitlib playbook. It doesn't work anymore.
I was referring to schools and churches. YOU said we could cut back on shootings there if blacks did less shooting. How many blacks walk into schools and churches with AR-15s and start slaughtering people?
Maybe we should make schools gun-free zones.
gun free = only authorized personel.
It means not every yahoo can walk off the street and carry a gun into a school.
right. So how are these schools having shootings if it's against the law for unauthorized people to walk off the street and carry a gun into school?
so we should allow anyone with a gun to enter a school?
Can we let anyone with a gun enter a Trump rally?
I just said guns were banned on school campuses. Are you dense?
they are. Just like they're banned in court houses, congress, presidential candidate rallies, theme parks, city council meetings, etc.
Ok, so what’s the problem? It’s a sensible gun law. Just like you like.
it's too easy to carry a gun onto school grounds. It's also too easy for some nut job to decide he wants to shoot up a school then go buy an AR-15 and do so if he's 18 or older. The last shooter received the AR-15 from his dad.
Easy access to weapons is a problem. It's a problem most civilized countries with far lower gun crime rates and where mass shootings make international news as they are so have
How can it be easy? You said there were laws preventing people from bringing guns on school property.
that’s what you’re proposing, right? Laws?
Yes, I don't believe a guy with an AR-15 should be freely allowed to walk into a school. Show me where that policy has saved lives.
Show me where someone’s allowed to legally bring an Ar-15 on a school grounds.
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