Why do you think women have continued to face abuse throughout history?

[laly520]

Do you think women experience less abuse in modern times?

[glennos89]

This discussion makes no sense to me.

Yes there are a lot of woman being abused by men.
Those guys are the weak guys among us because they can't achieve their dominance by taking on other dudes and therefore the will search easier victims such as woman or children. For those guys I have empathie whatsoever.

The sad thing here is that all men get the blame for things just some of us have done! I never have beaten a woman, I never used or abused them in any kind of way intentionally.

The other side of the story is not much different. There are just as woman who also abuse guys and children! We all know that it works both ways.

Should we men then also blame all the woman out there for the things some of them have done?

What brothers me the most these days is that the majority of woman seem to be very good at blaming guys for everything they have done wrong.
But those same group of woman dont take accountability for their own mistakes of for the mistakes their own gender is making aswell. They rather choose to blame others so that they dont have to be confronted with their own actions.

Luckely their are also a lot of great woman out there so pls girls dont feel attacked if you know you are a good person. Im just talking about the rotten apples that both genders have.

[AyChingao]

Because it's nearly impossible to get the person currently sitting at the top to share power or engage in any sort of discussion on subjects that they have a vested interest in deciding the outcome on. Progress was being made here in the good ol' USA albeit slowly until the modern robber barons rose back to power. Fun Fact: the gtoup that most benefitted from DEI which the GOP is shredding was white women. It also benefitted veterans returning from war in need of psychiatric help and disabled veterans, rural kids trying to get into medical school because we need more doctors out in those areas. It means much more than brown and black people getting jobs. They want women powerless and producing babies, and their labor to be cheap. The witches were mostly herbalists and midwives or people outside the community. Threats because of knowledge (which is power) or just because they don't conform. Then there's Boudicca who jusy plain rained hell on the occupying Romans over in East Anglia... hust plain dangerous... You're scaring them and they are gonna make sure nobody loosens their grip on the control panel.

[AyChingao]

thks for the MHO

[naartjie]

My mom never left my dad because she loved him so much and it was hard for her, said it was too hard to take us kids away from our dad because when she’d try, he’d start crying uncontrollably that he wanted us kids. Next day he’s beating on my mom and us.
My mom’s also like 5’2 and he’s 6’4 so she was probably also scared of him tbh.
His whole family had his back too and they all called my mom a gold digger even tho my dad was broke and she just wanted child support.
Fuck I hate him and men like him.

[AyChingao]

That's so terrible

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Because for a majority of history, men were the ones in control. They deemed women property and stripped them of rights and made it so that any woman who wanted to be respected was either married or a nun because anything else was shameful. As a result, in the name of not only gaining respect but also just surviving without having to prostitute oneself, women married abusive men. It’s part of why Aqua Tofana was such a popular thing back in the old days of Italy. I hear it’s making a comeback.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Following how I make sense of this, historically, then I would see men, ages ago, realizing that women are material asset. Assets being the reflection of power, whatever asset it is. Then they spread the word to their sons throughout History?

Also, I don't think abuse was morally considered at all. Considering people in a humane way, as we do now (only in some privileged parts of the world), looks relatively new. When looking at the scales, at how old our species is, our moral principles may have emerged one second ago.

[Still-alive]

a lot of people still view masculinity as 'taking what they want' and view woman as just another object they can treat however they wish. so unironically 'toxic masculinity' is a large part of it.

[laly520]

you are right

[Still-alive]

so a good way to determine good from bad is to see how they handle 'consent' cause a lot of dudes not only don't get it but refuse to get it even if you explain that concept to them.

[Joshydavid25]

I don't think women have faced anymore abuse throughout history than men have.. I mean look at what the "White Feather feminist" did to the boys and men during WWl and ll.. Helped coerce them into going to war when many didn't want to. It's just that women's abuse has been highlighted and men's largely ignored. It's basically been that whatever abuse you experienced, be a man, take it, and shut up..

[Stevepro68]

That is a complicated question. I think society has at least advanced the idea that it is wrong. As opposed to era when women and children were literally treated as property. Despite that there is a long way to go. To be honest men children all sexes are subject to abuse not just women. But 98 percent of abusers are in fact male. So as a male the societal issue has a long way to go.

[Lliam]

Men are bigger and stronger.

Only in very recent history have some modern cultures codified equal rights for women. It is only because of laws and evolving social norm that women have those rights. Otherwise, they would be easily dominated by men.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I've lived 40 plus years of life at this point. What I've seen with my own eyes and ears are men getting abused by women IRL... meanwhile on the television you women get beat the fuck up all the time by men.

So what I see in real life compared to what television exposes me to.

You say "continued abuse throughout history" and I just don't believe you. From the amount of abuse I've seen in my life... I want to fuck women up. Fuck you and I'm out.

[Hammywillsalot]

Well there is your problem. Thinking the world revolves around you. Your own personal experience does not dictate the totality of the world. There are what... upwards of 8 BILLION people on Earth. But yeah... the 15 that you know are an accurate depiction of the all the other billions and billions.

Also, I think you are wither a liar, or have been bamboozled into believing that shit you wrote out.

[NordicInScandinavia]

"we the men are the biggest victims of all"

Geez, you're more pathetic than I initially thought. Fuck you and I'm out

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Hammywillsalot people like that are beyond reach. You can talk and talk and talk, but they're so dense nothing goes through. Those kinds should just be left to rot for themselves.

[Hammywillsalot]

Absolutely agreed..

[D_Bone_Steak]

See... look at these bitches trying to abuse me 😆 😂 🤣

[ohsheeT]

It's really sad that it happens but I believe it's because in the moment that it happens they don't do something about it they protect the guy and I think that's just wrong they should send his ass to jail . Maybe he'll think about it next time but if she just lets it go then he thinks he has a free ride and he's going to do it again

[Anonymous]

A combination of uncivilized society and a minority of men men being dirt bags. Wasn't just woman, men have also endured abuse throughout history, and women can be abusive dirt bags too. In modern times in most developed countries the amount of abuse women deal with is very low compared to their ancestors. Can agree to disagree agree, but there would be less abuse against women in third world countries if modern feminist shifted focus from hating men to focusing making legitimate, positive change for women in third world countries, where woman still suffer abuse and oppression.

[MrOracle]

You are correct, but the truth is that Feminists as a whole aren't especially interested in the fates of women outside of western society. They occasionally virtue signal about it, but they don't actually DO anything or even pretend to do anything, because there is no advantage for them in doing so.
.
They are really only concerned about their own rights and privileges.

[Opinion Owner]

@MrOracle In many areas woman in developed countries have more rights and privileges than men. A few years back, a female teacher raped a student and got pregnant, not only did she never sever any jail time, she was awarded child support, had it been a male teacher, he'd still be in prison sitting with back child support accumulating.

[alice55]

@MrOracle They don't do anything cause that's not their country and the country in question don't want others countries to tell them how to live, when a country do it's called colonization...

[Opinion Owner]

@alice55 Advocating and pushing for womens rights in third world countries is not colonization, nothing is being colonized.

[alice55]

Actually yes because you try to change someone culture and believe while it's not your job to do so as is it not your country, EU try to get the Eastern European to stop being racist and less mysoginisit but Eastern European countries refuse and say they don't want to deal with the bullshit of the EU (they want the money but refuse to follow the rules they agreed upon). So no matter which country you try to "help" you're not gonna get a good answer to this.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@MrOracle Good point... they don't give a shit about the middle east... just themselves not having a cushy CEO job or getting paid just to exist.

[alice55]

@D_Bone_Steak If we as Western nations try to get involved in Middle East countries we get terrorist attack so don't go around saying those stuff, we can't get involved even if we want, I'm from France and each and tiny action France do that the Muslim don't like end up with a terrorist attack.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@alice55 That's because your government allows them in there and encourages them to attack. I'm in the states and now we have Trump. Fuck sand niggers. Allah is a pork eating f***** that dreams about gay sex. I wipe my ass with pages from the quaran.

I say whatever I want and have no fear doing so. They can lick my anus. I'll steal all 4 of their wives and treat them better. Don't be a pussy... stand up to these bullies.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@alice55 And look at what you're saying... they're in your country fucking with you. Nothing to say about them in their country though. Okay. That's fine if you want to hide out in your house or whatever. I say nuke them. Fuck their country and then send every last one of them trying to invade western countries back to the rubble. Fuck their kids too. Don't let them leave until I get a chance to spit on them. I'm hateful as fuck and I have reasons.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@alice55 That was pretty mean. I'm the war face of the west. I don't care... I have no feelings... and once I and others like me get awakened from our slumber... I will gut them in the streets and take pictures to send to my sisters. They came to your homeland and wave their flags... rape your women, and your government is allowing it. I will gut your government too. How about that?

[Hammywillsalot]

For the record D_Bone is not the "war face" of the West. LMAO... what a fucking joke.

Hey D_Bone, as a U. S. Citizen and a Veteran, I wipe my ass every day with the Bible, the Flag AND the Constitution. Internet warrior... go back to playing your first person shooter you Gravy Seal

[NordicInScandinavia]

@D_Bone_Steak you're a disgusting little racist prick. God damn.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@D_Bone_Steak thanks for kicking under my xenophobia here. 🤢

[D_Bone_Steak]

@NordicInScandinavia What is 9 inches long and helps me fuck any girl I want?

My knife.

[alice55]

Personality I think, people abuse people who they believe won't fight back and with who they know they can get away with, I was bullied in every single school I went to, one of my old bully just told me she did it cause she could see on my face I was not the type to fight back.

so I think if women faced more abuse it's because the people committing them knew they could do it and get away with it.

[ImalwaysrightOK]

It seems one-sided because nobody ever points out the abuse by society that men have faced since the beginning of time. Definitely not justifying abuse against women but why are more men killed, more men dying younger, more men commit suicide and more men lonely. Nobody cares either, unlike when women are abused.

[RealMarek]

The level of abuse they face depends on the circumstances. In modern America, they face much less than in many other historical situations. This doesn’t justify any abuse, but consider that in pre-civilized times women were often stolen in raids and forced into marriage or slavery. It was so dangerous that polygamy was used as a strategy to maximize the number of women who could find a man capable of defending against bride stealing and other forms of assault even though polygamy is worse for the survival rate of children than monogamy.

[Apple1996]

Basically because most men have very fragile egos. They abuse women because of jealously and insecurities instead of working on fixing themselves. And sadly I think abuse is still very common in current times

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Most women also have fragile egos because they get away with consequences more often like getting away with abusing men. And they are so used to that that they feel so entitled for everything they do.

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara well maybe those men should dress more modest and smile more then they wouldn't get abused

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's the only thing you're being told. If that's the case then if you're told to man up, stop complaining about everything and be quiet, then you wouldn't be abused.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara oh hush, just stop smiling and cover up like said. Stop teasing. You're just asking for it. Man the fuck up.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you should also woman the fuck up and solve your own problems. You're just asking for it.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara oh poor little thing. Stop smiling and cover up, go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know it's not hard to just argue at your level. Like if i also tell you to stop whining and get back to work at a life risky industry to earn for your wife other wise you're just loser who no value. If you wanna start those ad hominems, and you're only going to prove how fragile your ego is as a woman.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara but I'm not the one whining here?

I'm going to work, thanks - same field as my man is in.

Now hush now little thing and smile a little more. Then maybe things will turn out better for you. 😘

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then neither am I. I'm just saying in response to claiming men have fragile egos. But where's your argument if you don't have any fragile egos? Also, cool story. If you say that, then I'm the president of the world. So that's all you can do? How about you be the president and not many any excuses?

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara if you say so dear. Hush now and smile a bit more. It will make everything better.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"I'm going to work, thanks - same field as my man is in." Yeah the same field as your "man" working in a make up parlor.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia If you say so dear. Hush now and suck it up like a man.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara I've already sucked it up but you keep whining and crying. Now my man works in a make up parlor. Nice to know. 😘

Make me that sandwich and hush,. stop playing a victim.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then i've been smiling the whole time and I can make better sandwiches than your mom and from gourmet restaurants. Now man up and sign up for the war and stop being the victim

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Oh, what war did you go to? Why you making this about my mom dude? Like come on, that is so kindergarten.

Why you crying so much?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then why are you making this about sandwiches if you're not crying so much? That's so pre school

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Lol, whatever you say mister whataboutism. At least I'm not making it about race.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Whatever you say miss delusional double standard. At I didn't straight up make any delusional claims about women

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara if you say so mister veteran. Do a better job at the war zone next time

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia if you say so miss house keeper. make better sandwiches next time

[Maven007]

You are completely out of touch from reality. You believe in what the mainstream media and the whole corrupt narrative tells you what happens. Overexaggeration to such an extent it does not hold true to reality and history.

You need to touch some grass and lay off social media and feminist narrative. And reality check: no, men do not have very fragile ego's compared to women's. Men are the stronger sex, not women.

[Maven007]

@NordicInScandinavia You make him a sandwich. You are the woman. Not he. And you need to hush, not him. You are the woman, not he. It is better for women to hush since men are more logical, not emotional like women are.

[Manwomanmythmale]

@Apple1996 it's also the way women are portrayed in the media. They never get good representation in movies, TV shows, video games, social media, etc.

They make women seem more like a man having a chip on their shoulders getting aggressive trying to dominate and lecture a man down. But most women don't tend to act like that so it feels unrealistic and passive female traits are portrayed as a bad thing. A woman is only going to fight someone to not get hurt not to dominate them.

If you look at apothecary diaries it's a the majority of people who watch it are men even though it's about female oppression. The apothecary is still smart intelligent and capable but she knows she can't talk back to the men those environments because she will get her head chopped off.

She's still bad ass even though she is passive. It's about female oppression but it is presented in a realistic way where a man can sympathize with the female and appreciate the positive traits that women have.

Passive doesn't equal weak and dumb. And the dominating aggressive quality is a negative quality that men don't like even in other men.

[Anonymous]

I think both genders suffer abuse. Men just don’t report it as frequent as women for a number of reasons. As a man if you let some 5ft nothing girl hurt you society laughs at you. But at the same time if you retaliate by hitting her back, society shames you. Plus in general a lot of men will call another dude a bitch if his girl is beating him lol on top of that if he doesn’t have much notions as far as getting women, he may figure she’s the only girl who has given him a chance. The other reason is if she’s the mother of your child, as bad as she may be you don’t want her going to jail. Unless she’s abusive to the kids. The other reason is even though it should be labeled as abuse, most hits or kicks from women don’t really hurt us men so it just rolls off your back. The other reason is as soon as the cops show up more than likely the cops assume it’s the man.

[LiamS95]

I simply don't quite understand why any woman wouldn't flee from physical abuse. Emotional or mental abuse can be far more complicated and insidious. Any male that would strike a woman is not a man he's an animal and better not be near me when he hits her.

[alice55]

People who don't flee from abuse is usually people who grew up in abusive house they're used to it and for them they see it as normal up until it get too much, too violent and can't take it anymore, but those people have usually a ways higher pain tolerance / tolerance towards abuse because of upbringing.

[Notherndude84]

Yes probably. I believe the Victorian era was perhaps the most difficult period in history for women. The cultural attitudes towards women were bad, and the Industrial Revolution removed more employment opportunities for women. I think it’s hard to classify domestic violence by era, there just isn’t enough data available to make comparisons, especially when you start going back through history.


I fear an uptick in violence against women is on the horizon in the west. I see a convergence of factors like immigration from the Middle East and worsening attitudes towards women domestically too.
I think the best way to combat violence against women is grassroots campaigns, education, treatment of substance abuse and counselling on anger issues for abusers.

[emeraldsaphire]

We live in a world the vast majority of people think in some circumstances it's ok to initiate force to get what you want. Might makes right, and since women are smaller on average many men have used that to get there way. I don't think much has really changed. Sure we can vote now, that's nice, but I mean it doesn't do us much good to be honest.

[Alwayreckles93]

This why it's very important to wait for the correct men. By that I mean the men God wants us to marry. You would need to be a Christian to understand this.

[OneViewpoint]

Because men have always been deeply insecure about their pee pee. The mere thought of not being able to control their female mate is scary for them.

The humiliation of that is unthinkable

Combine that with a male’s larger size plus higher aggression and you get a wife beater.

[RageBabe]

Both men and women have faced abuse throughout history.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Cause there's people that walk around that are too cowardly to take their frustrations on people their own size, either that or they haven't crossed the wrong person yet or both.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Yea, and she probably looked funny at him of showed to much skin, we women are responsible for mens behaviour after all.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Is your salty ass really still holding onto that 😂

You misunderstood everything I said, you only read and listened to what you wanted to listen and read from everything I said and created your own idea, now I'm legit putting all the blame on the dude and you are still giving me shit, I thought we agreed to avoid paths, is there a reason you didn't keep your side of the agreement? Cause I surely don't want to have another pointless argument.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, that is what you said my dude. Oh and if I wear a t-shirt I have a lot less respect towards myself than if I wore a sweater that day.

You might be putting the blame on the dude in this particular scenario but that is what scares me with you guys. In one breath you blame your actions on us and then in the next you'll play the nice guy and put the blame where it belongs. But deep down, you still believe it's on the woman.

No need for another pointless conversation, I know you think I'm responsible for how men behave around me and towards me.

[NordicInScandinavia]

PS. I'm m again fully covered - so I have high respect for myself today, so no need to laugh at me not belittle me. I'm respectable.

(Opposed to yesterday, you could see my arms and collar bones, I disrespected myself so badly there, like shit)

[ChicoFromThe305]

I put blame where blame is, in this situation the blame is on the guy, on the other situation they are both to blame because they both made bad decisions, it's more common sense and logic than anything, I don't think you are responsible for how men behave around you although I do believe you are responsible for the way you dress and I do believe there's a appropriate and inappropriate way to dress, if you show a lot of skin don't be surprised if people look, that's the cons you are aware of when making the choice to wear revealing clothes, you've always been respectable to me even if you chose to wear revealing clothes although I would believe you are not giving the best first impression and possibly lack public decency I don't believe you aren't worthy of respect (this is just speaking out of example) before you believe I'm trying to call you out I'm not, I understand this isn't the case and you dress with proper mannerism, you think I'm blaming women for men looking, I blame men for looking but I do believe women do have power over men and y'all could stop them from staring more with better fashion choices, I've made myself as clear as I could and if you choose to still believe your delusion then this will be my last reply and I'll just ignore and not read anything else you say.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305 and I support trump and his cultist.

(That is untrue)

See, I can write nonsense down too, doesn't make it true.

Yes you made it as clear as castle: I'm responsible for how men behave, depending on what I wear. As long as I dress in a way YOU find appropriate, then all is good - if I don't then I should shut the fuck up and just deal with what I asked for.

You blamed women for it and you think my self respect is tied up with how much skin I'm showing (which changes everyday, thanks yo you and your kind tho I'm FULLY covered again).

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

No delusion. Men looking and going after women are on MEN not women. If men can walk around topless, so should women but no men like yourself simply can't control themselves and if we dared doing so we lacked self-respect.

You'll also just ignore everything and keep blaming women for your actions. *She should just respect herself and cover up*

[NordicInScandinavia]

Have a good one - until next time you pretend to be a decent man.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself, I'm done trying to convince you

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, you did convince me very well that I should protect myself from men like yourself, I had almost forgot your kind was around.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I've got nothing to poof to you.

[ChicoFromThe305]

My kind? A virgin man waiting for marriage? That respects women enough to tell them they aren't objects and shouldn't dress like it? If there was more men like me and less women like you the world would probably function very well

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305 never implied you had anything to "poof" to me.

I actually thank you, for reminding me that men like you are still walking around - being in a echo chamber of the good men I have in my life had almost made me forget that not all men are like that.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Good men? The ones that tell you that you should dress with your boobs out? those are the same men that will stare when you have them out, you are blind to the reality of the type of men you believe are good for you

[NordicInScandinavia]

Your kind, one that thinks it's on me what you men do, that you men have no control over yourself.

Women are not objects and thus they can NOT dress like one. Unless of course for Halloween or costumes. See you're outing yourself again there: you view women as objects unless they dress in a way you find appropriate. So yes, men like you - who think women are objects. men like you, who think men are incapable of controlling themselves around women and what they find attractive, and the only way for men to be able to do so, if the woman covers up what he likes

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

Good men, who do NOT tell me how to dress or compare me to a object unless I dress in a way they find appropriate. Men who do not blame it on my appearance when men behave as they do.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Alright whatever, I'm done arguing with you, there's no point, you only see what you wanna see, full of ignorance and biasness, you just sound miserable, get off my comments, and stop following me around just to cause pointless arguments, you just love being miserable and toxic, I apologized to you once and you didn't accept it, it's never gonna happen again and I no longer care or want to speak to you, my mind isn't going to change and it's clear you have your own perspective, which I respect, now go away.

[NordicInScandinavia]

I'm out, I need to socialise with people who don't think I'm a object.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Keep telling yourself that

[NordicInScandinavia]

Last thing:

I'm not following you around, you post pretending to be someone decent and I call you out on it. Block me if you wish and don't want to be called out for not being a good man.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

Yes, I'll keep on telling myself that not all men are like you, that I've to remind myself that there are men who view me as a breathing human being at all times opposed to being a object, like you compare me too.

[ChicoFromThe305]

You don't even know me, you are full of assumptions, there's people here that know me that I've spend years getting to know and that know me, the ones deluted here is you, I'm not gonna block you because the more posts you've seen of mine that you can't control yourself from opening your mouth, will only prove you are following me around, so if you aren't we shouldn't speak again

[ChicoFromThe305]

I know everyone on here, many of them know me, you can't stand that I have opinions that you don't agree with, that's as deep as this gets, that's the reality, everything else you've either assumed or created in your own delusion, a delusion only you believe, if this is how you meet people, you have one conversation and assume you know everything about them then that explains why you are so miserable.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

If you say so, oh so me being on here reading - is a proof that I'm after you, you're ALL that's on my mind.

Here we go again, a man thinking everything a woman does surrounds him. 😭😂

I mean, you can just stop being on here, you're begging for my attention, asking for it. Every time you make a reply, or a question it's for me.(Am I doing your kind well?)

You're right, YOU are the SOLE reason I'm on here - you're the CENTER of my world. For someone who wants me gone, you sure as hell can't walk away. It's funny. Almost as you're DESPERATE for my attention.

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

You be funny my dear center of the universe. Now I really am going to comment on everything you say on here. I was just gonna out you where you pretend to be a decent man but you changed that.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Just admit you are sexist, you behave like a femcel, you are reflecting your narcissistic behavior onto me, we agreed not to speak and avoid each other and you broke that agreement by contacting me again, why? There's really no logical explanation that won't make you look like a femcel or someone that's purposely looking for an argument.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I don't know what you call it but I was avoiding you, "Mr universe" was avoiding you so why did you contact Me universe then? And don't avoid the question

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

How am I sexist? I know not all men are like you, in fact most are not, thank goodness.

I didn't agree to not speak to you again or avoid you? I agreed to disagree one time.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Only femcel make assumptions without properly meeting them, just me being a guy was enough to make up your mind about me, that's just that miserable sexism inside you

[ChicoFromThe305]

No I said that it will be the last time we speak and we can avoid each other, and you agreed

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

I've made no assumptions.

Where am I being sexist? Point me towards it.

You telling me how my self respect is tied up with my appearance.

You telling me how it's my fault if men give me attention I don't want if I'm wearing something they find attractive.

You comparing women (me) as a object if we dress in a way you find inappropriate.

That is being sexist.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Yes, you said that. I said I'll be gone for now. Never agreed I was never going to speak to you again, if that was the case I'd block you. Because that is what I do to people I don't wish to see.

You could learn from it, but guess you're just desperate for my attention huh. Simply begging for it with your mere presence like those objects walking around wearing nothing.

(Maybe you'll take a liking to me if I speak like you)

[ChicoFromThe305]

You claiming I'm a bad person because I have my opinions, again you aren't even reading what I'm saying, I literally send you a paragraph speaking on how I'm not blaming you for men staring and you ignored it, how am I gonna point you to something you refuse to comprehend, like I said, it's cause you have this deluted idea of me and don't wanna let it go, sounds like sexism to me, you keep saying that I said that it's your fault when I've repeated a million times that it's the mans fault, are you even reading, are you disabled or something?

[NordicInScandinavia]

Ps. I just took of my sweater, I'm now showing bare arms. I now respect myself less than I did 5 minutes ago. Fuck. I need winter to come back so I can fully respect myself at all times.

[ChicoFromThe305]

You are definitely reflecting, you contacted me first, look around dummy, you are in my comments, you initiated this argument, this was all you, the one desperate for attention is you and you are trying to project that onto me, I was doing just fine not seeing you again and I'm certain I was never gonna communicate with you again, you legit just admitted you are the one that didn't want to avoid me cause like you said, you would've blocked me if you did, you are admitting you were uncertain of contacting me again while I'm admitting I was certain I wanted to avoid you

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

I'm claiming you're a bad man, because you blame women for the actions of men, compare them to objects, dictate their worth (and self respect) towards what you find appropriate.

I'm reading it, it doesn't remove the fact that was your initial reply and thought, only when you got challenged you went "oh no no no, it's not you I speak about, it's not your fault but it is still women's fault for dressing as they do"

You can repeat it all you want, you out yourself in the end: like you just did in this thread where you now out that you compare women to objects. - that is what leafs me to believe you're a bad human being, because your gender here doesn't matter while online.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Now I must be disabled. Gotcha.

Now you've objective me, belittled my struggles and laughed at them, blamed me for the actions of mens when wearing something they like, and now you're accusing me of being disabled.

Yup, definitely are a good man.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Yes I did because you're here pretending to be a good dude, when we know you blame the actions of men on women.

I'm not against arguing, you're the one who want to be gone - yet still here. I've time on my hands.

I don't want to avoid you, I'm behind the safety of my screen so I don't have to avoid uncomfort.

No, I said that IF I wanted to avoid you - I would block you. Admitting you can't read huh.

[NordicInScandinavia]

If you want to avoid me - then you can.

But here you still are.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I let people do what they want, Im free to speak my opinions, you taking it to heart is your issue not mine, I've made my point across a million times and I've told many people on here the same things and they respect my opinions like I respect theirs, your behavior is pathetic and it shows a lot of mental issues from your part, I don't know what past you are trying to rub onto these conversations but it's surely not healthy, you've left enough evidence on this public comment section to show that you are behaving highly unstable for what is being said and you are having complications on not just processing information but a bad issue on repeating the same crap, I'm gonna stop replying to your garbage and I'm gonna move on from this and I'm going to avoid you again, if you contact me again you are 100% showing the public that you are indeed following me around just to argue

[NordicInScandinavia]

So you must not want to avoid me as much as you say. You're here asking for it

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'm avoiding you and I want you to ignore and avoid me as well, this agreement is marked in these comments, for the second time, break it again and that's on you.

[NordicInScandinavia]

And I'm free to speak my opinions.

And if you think me commenting on your shit means you're the center of my universe then go ahead.

You not wanting my presence and choosing not to block me just proofs you're desperate for my attention, and every single post or they you'll make from now on is to try and reel my attention in. (Am I doing you right?)

[ChicoFromThe305]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[NordicInScandinavia]

I'll forever keep the paragraph where you out that you believe women are objects.

[ChicoFromThe305]

✌🏼🖕🏼

[NordicInScandinavia]

And I'll forever wait for you to point me towards where I've said something sexist, because u like you I'm not - and believe that even bad men like you are living human beings, not objects like you deem women to be.

[NordicInScandinavia]

You just can't be without my attention poor little think. It will be alright, I'm right here and not going anywhere poor little soul.

[ChicoFromThe305]

You are a lunatic 😂

[NordicInScandinavia]

You know it is YOUR fault for me texting you, I'm not responsible for my own actions here - YOU are teasing me with you pretending to be a decent man. I just can't help myself, when it's right there in front of me - if you just didn't do that, I'd not be doing what I do.

*I love how your logic works, I'm gonna use it on EVERYTHING now*

[ChicoFromThe305]

Dude why are you still talking

[NordicInScandinavia]

Because you're still here begging for my attention with your mere presence, such a good little object - just sitting around.

(I'm being you - think I'm doing well)

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'm begging you to stay quiet, that's the only thing I want from you, from this comment and the other one you are spamming as well, forgot it's also my comment? You are arguing with like 3 dudes since you joined and you expect anyone to believe you aren't a sexist femcel

[NordicInScandinavia]

@ChicoFromThe305

But you're responsible for my action my dude. You can avoid it and yes, I've argued with 3 men who withhold the idea that women are to blame for mens behaviour, that if they somehow change - what happens to them would be avoidable.

(And when I say I do exactly that I'm villainising all men and sexist.)

[NordicInScandinavia]

And no I did absolutely NOT forget that it was your comment as well, that is where I found out that I'm to be blamed for mens actions and that my self respect is tied up with what I wear. (PS put on my sweater again, so self respect is tip top again)

[ChicoFromThe305]

If I was in charge of your actions I would've shut you up a long time ago, actually you are proving my point by making it clear that I have no control over you and what you do after I tell you to shut up, now you are responsible to make the decision, thanks for proving my point, see it's two sided like I've been saying all along, same goes for the clothing situation

[ChicoFromThe305]

Now go away, shooo you little lunatic 😂

[NordicInScandinavia]

Not while you're here begging for my attention little thing. Just stop that and I'll be gone. You be responsible for my actions with your presence, just like I'm responsible for mens actions with mine.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Had I just done as you guys tell me, maybe I wouldn't have been abused and raped, the men in question are just doing what is natural to them, they couldn't control themselves around me. It's just all natural behaviour.

After all: we just begging for mens attention with our presence.

[ChicoFromThe305]

So if I stop replying you'll shut up is what you are saying?

And also no contact from now on

[NordicInScandinavia]

On this thread, absolutely - on the other one, nope and on others - nope.

I'll be contacting you when I see you're pretending to be a decent man, because from now on, I'm using your logic: what men (you) do is all rooted in wanting women's (my) attention. So every time you respond to anything it is for me. Just like my mere presence (unless covered up) means I'm seeking males attention and just have to suck up what comes my way. You just have to suck it up buttercup, you asking for it.

[ChicoFromThe305]

So you just gonna keep following me and being all desperate for attention, okay it's your life, can't say I don't try to get rid of you tho, I'll make sure to just publicly treat you like my little stalker because that's exactly what you'll be if you start following me around 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

At this point you've become my little stalker 😂

Since you wanna be a little lunatic that's what you'll be known for from now on and I'll try to let it catch on since that's the way you wanna take this

[Maven007]

The whole abuse thing is an overexaggeration created by the whole evil devil worshipers behind the narrative and mainstream media just to create tension and psychological warfare.

Touch some grass. You will realize that these "face abuse" events to women happen really rarely.

[msc545]

Women can be exceedingly provocative and insulting to other people, and sometimes violence is the response, unfortunately. A lot of the violence that women experience is actually precipitated by their own behavior.

[nawtee_me]

Because some men are ass holes….. and some women too…,

[laly520]

true

[Pohjolan]

Egalitarian societies were unable to compete against more patriarchal ones.

Even today the egalitarian societies will be replaced by non-egalitarian ones if they don't fix their birth rates.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's more like they're addressed more often if they face abuse compared to men because they're not the stronger sex physically. Society had always been hardwired to sympathize women more than men because of their natural value.

[NordicInScandinavia]

No, we address it more because that is what is happening to us. That you men refuse to speak up, except when there's a discussion about abuse against women, is not on us.

Why should we fight your battles when all you do is dismiss and belittle ours?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'm actually referring to men's issues being unaddressed happening all over the world and it does something to do with how humanity started. So if you want to reason out that it's because it happens to you more than our issues when it comes to anything especially when being abused getting dismiss more often is the reason why we don't speak up about it. That contributes to why men commit suicide four times more often than women worldwide. If you think what you are asking is true then I can ask the same thing otherwise. Why should we fight your battles when all you do is dismiss and belittle ours?

[NordicInScandinavia]

Yes, on a thread about women's issues as I said, that is the only time you men care about mens issues. Go figure.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia The question is asking "Why" as if that's a fact when both men and women are suffering thesame amount of oppression through out history but just differently. So I'm just making correction but your it's too much for your ego to handle.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Yes "Why do you think WOMEN have continued to face abuse throughout history?" is the question.

Where does that say men haven't? How does that question remove the fact men can be or are abused? Because it doesn't revolve around men? Is that it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then where did I also say that only men face abuse and that question is wrong? Because it's such a taboo to make a correction like that, you already think I'm dismissing women's issues making you ironically think the world should revolve around women

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, where did I accuse you of saying such a thing? It's not a taboo, as I said men love speaking about mens issues when someone speaks about womens issues.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then did I say women's issues don't matter and I hate women? Think again if you think you're not making any accusations.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, where did I say you said that?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then again where did I say I'm invalidating women issues? If you wanna ask questions like that first then you answer it first

[NordicInScandinavia]

Dismissing - what aboutism.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia And you're dismissing "Whataboutism" being an excuse to just deflect any corrections. Also where did I say "What about men?" Answer that please?

[NordicInScandinavia]

It's more like they're addressed more often if they face abuse compared to men because they're not the stronger sex physically. Society had always been hardwired to sympathize women more than men because of their natural value. = "What about men"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then just like that, you interpret that as whataboutism. Now to answer your question, "Where does that say men haven't? How does that question remove the fact men can be or are abused? Because it doesn't revolve around men? Is that it." <--- Just like how my response never directly said "what about men" then the question don't have to say "only women are abused and men aren't" to make it sound one sided. So if I make a post like "why are black people such criminals?" I never said "all", I never said "only black people", you already know what the responses would be specially from black people. Are you that ignorant about how forums work?

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, because it is.

You American?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia I'm not even from America but that's still besides the point. You can talk about the other group, other religion, other political parties, other tribes or etc. that way. You'll still get thesame result. And the fact that you think that's only an American thing proves your ignorance.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, I asked if you were American because they master making everything racial.

Asking why women have been abused throughout history is not the same as throwing out a damaging stereotype about black people.
Me asking a question proves my ignorance? Damn, I asked to actually get rid of my ignorance - thats how question often work.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia That's just one example. There for I gave another like religion, tribe, etc. And just like how you interpret that, you think that's my only example. Again, i never said "all" so why damaging? I mean just following your logic. So if you think that's stereotyping and discriminatory then it's very reasonable for anyone to consider that question a misinformation (Which I don't mean discriminatory against men). The point is just because something there isn't said doesn't make it question less wrong. It's not you asking the question, it's you failing to see the principles making you ignorant.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Yes, what a great example.

Where did I say you said all?

You don't have to use all, to play "what aboutism"

Alright, I'm a stupid mofo and you're the most intelligent creature around.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Men are abusers with anger issues.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia That's my question. Where did I say "all" for it to be considered discriminatory?

If that's the case, you don't have to say "only women" to be considered a misinformation. And I'm glad you know you're stupid. You can't blame me for being sarcastic when that makes a lot of sense.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Men are abusers and I'm a stupid motherfucker because I asked you a question.

Again, never said you said all. Don't know whY the fuck you on about.

What the fuck "only women" what?

Men are abusers.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Please try and make sense and learn sarcasm - ps men are abusers.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Unlike you, you don't know when to you sarcasm making you sound even more stupid that what you said. - ps women are abusers.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*use sarcasm

[NordicInScandinavia]

Whatever floats your boat there mister whataboutism. 😘

Have fun, men are abusers.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara I don't understand you tbh. "You don't know when to you sarcasm"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia And you're still using whataboutism as an excuse when you're wronged. That was a typo. I made a correction "*use sarcasm" You don't understand because it's too much for your small brain to process.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia And using whataboutism as an excuse to fracture their own ego to abuse men. You're just trying to leave because you know it's true

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

If you say so dear. You're right. I'm simply a abuser because I use your logic.

I'm trying to leave because this is boring me.

Men are abusers.

[NordicInScandinavia]

I've not been wronged dear.

No, you not being able to actually make sense is to much for my brain.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

You be a racist mofo for making shit racial and I'm an abuser because I said you use what aboutism and dismissal "what about women they too" because your ego got harmed.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Like bringing up whataboutism like I'm accusing you of one. You're just leaving because you're losing credibility and not try to end this argument the mature way. If it doesn't make sense to you, it's just too much for your small brain to process

[NordicInScandinavia]

"Most women also have fragile egos because they get away with consequences more often like getting away with abusing men. And they are so used to that that they feel so entitled for everything they do."

- more whataboutism with "us poor men".

PS. MEN ARE ABUSERS

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia You can take your own advice for saying that over just an example. That's just for you whining about men being abusive so there for I can just simply say women are abusive. And "whataboutism" is only your excuse if anyone argues at your level.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Lol, how am I doing whataboutism? All I did was telling you why we women afters women being abused more than men being abused. And how men mostly care about their own victimhood when the subject is about women.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia

[Aiko_E_Lara]

if I'm using whataboutism then you're just straight up delusional about your claims.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia You're not doing whataboutism. You're just straight up being delusional or just defending a delusional claim. And by doing so, then it's time I don't care about using straight up whataboutism against your own fallacy. So for saying that, women only care about their own victimhood and make double standards by bringing up "whataboutism" to cover up for their one sided agenda.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

You're right. I'm wrong. I'm doing whataboutism because I tell you why we adr3ss women issues

[NordicInScandinavia]

Then why are you accusing me of such?

How am I being delusional? You are using straight up whataboutism, saying I'm doing the same to cover up some made up agenda of yours.

[NordicInScandinavia]

And I'm just doing the same as you except I did change black people out with men and switched out crime with abuse.

Why don't you like it when I make a broad statement about men being abusers? Is that somehow wrong?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Same reason why you're accusing me of whataboutism. If im straight up using whataboutism then you're straight up being delusional about your claims. If you're doing thesame then you wouldn't abuse the word "whataboutism" so much and actually make more valid reasonings

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Lol, no. You using whataboutism, is why I am accusing you of such.

"Most women also have fragile egos because they get away with consequences more often like getting away with abusing men. And they are so used to that that they feel so entitled for everything they do." - here's you doing so.

[NordicInScandinavia]

"It's more like they're addressed more often if they face abuse compared to men because they're not the stronger sex physically. Society had always been hardwired to sympathize women more than men because of their natural value." - here's you making males into the victims opposed to answering the question

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Where am I being delusional?

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Why are you getting upset because I do the same broad statement as you, just with a another demographic? And no, you do not do and think what you do because of me. (I hope, that would be sad)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia That's from another thread in response to a delusional claim which you are also trying to defend. That has nothing to do with what I said in my original comment specifically for this post. That just simply means you're justifying double standards

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara, lol it's from the same thread. It's still the same question and you throwing in whataboutism. I did read through everything, gathered information before replying

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia "It's more like they're addressed more often if they face abuse compared to men because they're not the stronger sex physically. Society had always been hardwired to sympathize women more than men because of their natural value." <-- That's simply a correction to the original question elaborated further which you like to deliberately call whataboutism to justify your double standards. If that's what you think then the question is about making women the being the only victims.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, this is also a whataboutism.

"Well yes, but we only address is because... Forgetting we the men are bigger victims"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia I different thread from a different user making a direct delusional claim. So if you wanna be delusional, then I can do whataboutism to argue at your level

[NordicInScandinavia]

That in no way answers the question which is WHY.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then that's a delusional claim. Like putting words in my mouth saying men are bigger victims.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia If I have to straight up answer why, Then same reason why people think men have continued to face abuse throughout history.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Lol, sure. I'm delusional. You win. And you refuse to answer why because you don't care.
That's why it took this long to actually get you to at least try and ask the question at hand.
All you care about is dismissing women and change the subject towards men.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

And again, you can't answer the question without making it about men, can you?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia That was for both not men but that's only what you see because you have your own definition of whataboutism to excuse you to have double standards

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

If you say so mister whataboutism.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia If you say so miss double standard delusional

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

No double standards here mister veteran.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

You still can't answer the question at hand without making it about men mister veteran and I find it kinda sad

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia Then no whataboutisms here miss sandwich headhouse keeper

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia And you can't really get over answers that includes the other for references miss house keeper. It's kinda sad

[NordicInScandinavia]

If you say so mister veteran

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia If you say so Miss house keeper

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

For reference? Lol, you mean to cry about how you have it worse and how women be bad because your feelings get hurt.

[NordicInScandinavia]

Have a good one mister veteran

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia And you've been crying about how you think I'm saying men have it worse by whining whataboutism so much.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@Aiko_E_Lara

Whatever floats your boat mister veteran.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then whatever floats your boat mis maid

[NordicInScandinavia]

If you say so mister veteran.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@NordicInScandinavia If you say so miss maid. (by the way, I take veteran as a compliment)

[AnonAndrew]

Women as a whole? No.

But some individual women? Yes.

[bowenw]

I believe it’s just that men are often stronger physically than women and some take advantage of that.

[Anonymous]

The historical abuse of women stems from deep-rooted societal issues like:
* Power imbalances: Men have often held more power, leading to the subjugation of women.
* Economic dependence: Women's limited access to resources made them reliant on men, increasing vulnerability.
* Harmful norms: Some traditions and beliefs normalized or excused violence against women.
* Lack of legal protection: Historically, women often lacked the legal means to escape or punish abuse.

[Agape93]

Because it's easier to rape and abuse women, than to do so against other me.

[Friendlybro79]

Don't know if there's a way to measure this and get an accurate answer, but I hope less abuse happens in the world to all people period.

[Ms_Facesitter]

Because in the past women were just a possession. Man had a say to everything.

[LeatherDame]

Probably less overall but certainly less overt than it used to be, it used to be thought of as responsible to beat your wife to teach her (yay for patriarchy 🙄), now it’s socially taboo in an increasing number of cultures.

[genericname85]

probably for the same reasons everyone faces abuse. don't be sexist.

[MisfitsLover92]

I have no idea why women think they have to go through abuse but theu do and its sad 😞

[Smegskull]

Raising monsters to kill monsters and living with abuse was a more successful mating strategy than raising kind lovers and being eaten by monsters.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Any abuse is too much, but probably less due to its publicity.

[IslaTheWitch]

the abuse is on both sides... always was, and probably always will...

[quarrel]

They think they will attract more men if they continue to abuse their face with chemicals.

[Dongie]

Because there will always be bullies

[laly520]

sadly

[Dongie]

Yeah

[RHK36]

Both experience it differently and handle it differently based of societal norms.

[Owain1404]

Short answer because most men are short tempered and like their own way. The long answer is highly complex, but ultimately there's no excuse for abusing women.

[kaucky1]

Seems like they experience it more and they do that looking like somebody else

[Juxtapose]

They're physically weaker, easier prey.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Because some men are assholes

[Anonymous]

Because they are physically weak.

[Dargil]

Because their choices were limited.

[ienjoylookingatgreen]

it's an evil world

[Sabretooth]

poor raising.