Do you think there's a major gap in quality of life between men and women?

[Anonymous]

Yes, in men's favor

Yes, in women's favor

No

[wynning]

In developed countries, I don't think there's a major difference in the quality of life but choices and possible pathways in life... And even at that, only to a certain extent. But it is there.

Completely different story in developing countries where I would say generally speaking the gap between men and women is significant not only in terms of quality of life but living itself. There's a silver lining but it's thin.

On a personal level, I feel like there's a lot more I could've done with myself and became with less effort if I was a man. Especially with the kind of interests I have that not a lot of other women have. Like I'd have joined the army if I was a man. I would be taken more seriously straight off and I'd be able to enjoy the peace and quiet of the night and go to sketchier places without fear of getting raped or worse if I was a man (at least blend in better). The ceiling of strength I could build and hone would be way higher and my appearance would be less important to my perceived "value" as a man. I could be more assertive without being seen as a bitch as a man.

In fairness, all this IS me bitching as well lol.

I'd have other problems to compensate though, like the case of men's mental health not be taken as seriously. Men not having the social supports that are available to women specifically, less forgiveness for failure, more stigma against showing emotions that isn't anger or negative in some way, less believed or given importance when something happens to them vs a woman etc.

I'm sure the people I piss off with this opinion will let me know what I've missed lmao

I don't know what it's like being a man and I'm not going to assume it's definitely easier because I don't know but from my perspective it does look that way sometimes.

[PrincessC16]

And since they aren't a woman, they will never understand what we have and what we are now going through. So this argument can continue indefinitely. I know how I felt working "beneath" men in my field of Education. And No one will convince me different.

[wynning]

@PrincessC16 I know myself I can understand that experience maybe a bit better because I've felt it too (although probably not as much as you because I haven't been in the workplace for long). But yeah, I think men and women will always look through through lenses we carve out of the experiences we've had personally and depending on how THAT goes, we're either willing to compromise or we're never meeting halfway. Grass is always greener and all that.

[Rosexøxø]

@wynning I totally resonated with what you said about the army, night walks, respect, and appearance value ratio. 1,000% glad there’s another lady who has taken an eye to such things cause then you have other ladies demonstrating a lotion or tanning cream on TikTok 😂

I mean at least we can see both sides and appreciate each and strive for better for ourselves. Just glad to have read your comment. Cheers 🥂

[Rosexøxø]

I really appreciated @OlderAndWiser and @wynning opinions. They both said really interesting and valid points that I resonated with. Really good points.

I think wynning shared points that I have felt personally and older and wiser shared a very logical point that we have no scales and it’s difficult to measure or put into words. I think with these two comments on their respectable sides of the coin and spectrum means and can conclude us to the point that there may not be a gap that says one is better or easier than the other but I do say there is a gap. A divide of differences for each. And we can agree on this and some of these differences pose benefits and problems. Some of the problems involve mental health, social status or acceptance, and overall general safety.

We see the issues faced by each side and it varies from person to person on just how achievable it is for themselves to overcome some problems. Sometimes they’re mere challenges that can be overcome and sometimes they are real dilemmas that hold others back. Until there can be some solution or set of solutions brought about to assist such individuals.

So my answer, thanks to reading these two express what I felt conflicted with, would be that there IS a gap. But we can’t view it like a spy glass or some scope. From one end to the other. Favoring one side of another. We have to see it altogether overall and realize there’s difficulties for each side. I’m sure everyone knows for themselves if they feel they have it harder or easier than others. It would never be a one answer thing.

[Rosexøxø]

I think there’s room for improvement. I couldn’t vote because the questions is worded in a way where we pick a side and I don’t think anyone is on anybody’s side. I think everyone is trying to make their own lives work out how they imagined it or desire it to work out. If we were all on everyone’s side then both demographics would see more improvements regarding the specific dilemmas they face (d).

[PrincessC16]

Thank you for your thorough review. I can agree to what you have said here today.

[Purpleronnie]

It would be my opinion that quality of life couldn’t be attributed to either sex. For me quality of life is centered around the choices a person has and makes


However , Quality of life could only be calculated once we define what constitutes a life’s quality. Surely the value people place on aspects of life and living differs between each individual. I may place a whole lot of value having a large circle of friends and great career where as another may just be happy with just being with their family or partner.


There is one constant however.


When your healthy , there is a million little problems and challenges that daily and randomly affect your perceived “ quality of life “ but when your heath IS the issue you only have ONE Problem. Without that there can be no quality so it could be said that quality of life SHOULD only be measured by that as everything else in life is dependent upon that ?

[OneViewpoint]

Here in the USA there are definitely differences between what men and women experience in life. But a "gap" in quality of life? That's hard to assess. Men have certain expectations society places on them. Women have certain expectations society places on them. Nobody has it easy. Careers, "success", partnering up, divorcing, raising kids, buying a home, taking care of elderly parents, grocery shopping, maintaining a house and cars, finding friends, getting laid, doing laundry, health issues, money issues, etc. etc. etc.

Women still face social and legal injustices. Guys still carry their loads in silence for the most part. Women have more reproductive health issues. Guys can completely wear out their bodies by the time they're in their 50's. Everyone has insecurities to some degree. Women face pressures about their appearance constantly. Men face pressures about their career success or lack thereof.

[OlderAndWiser]

How do you define and measure "quality of life" so that you can validly make the comparison?

[kitkatto]

I think men might have it a bit easier because it is a man’s world after all. But… I can also take into account the additional pressure to be a provider, it’s a dog eat dog world out there. With women, we face different struggles. For one, we can’t really go out walking alone at night or at empty parking lots. We don’t have rights to our own bodies in some places.

I think it at the end of the day, it all depends more on luck, because both a man and a woman can luck out in life simply just for being a man or woman.

[HighValue]

Women have a better quality of life, and most of the women in the comments so far are liars with their statements. Obvious liars and it isn't surprising because multiple of them have been posting dishonest things on here for years.

1. Men suffer from violent far more than women.

2. The gender pay gap has been proven false many times.

3. Women dominate the education field in the majority of schools and frequently discriminate against men when it comes to hiring.

4. Women are treated far better in the court system, especially when it comes to divorce, child custody, and women getting almost no conskat all for false accusations and ruining men's lives.

5. Millions of women need to have their limbs blown off, get blinded, and be shot to death willingly before deserving rights.

Stop being such low quality pathetic liars people.

[PrincessC16]

This is still a man's world. Women have come a long way in our right to education. But we are still a long ways between the salaries that a man makes and the salaries that women makes.

[MongozDish]

And why do you think that is?

[PrincessC16]

@MongozDish Statics show it.

[MongozDish]

@PrincessC16 I know they show it, but do you know why the statistics show that? The statistics don't answer the why.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

The salary and the wage gap you're talking about had been debunked so many times and that is based on the average jobs a women in a man get. It's not because of their gender. If it was really true that it is legal for women get paid less for the same job, Then wouldn't companies just hire more women because they're cheaper to save money? That's not how your fantasy world works here. Also news flash, Men have been fighting multiple wars for revolution, for freedom and for development for so many years now and yes that includes education for women know that your tools for doing all the housekeeping got replaced with technology which gave you more time to do something else you want. Your liberation had nothing to do with feminism but societal changes and development all along.

[PrincessC16]

You can have your opinion and I can have mine. Peace homies👐

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah you call everything and opinions if the fact don't favor you. You've lost credibility and you're trying to dismiss it

[Shiprex]

Work more, longer hours in jobs that don't end at 4 or on dangerous risky or antisocial demanding jobs. They are the ones which pay more.

[AviatorTom]

It's not fair to generalize, but overall, there's not much difference. Each has some advantages over the other... in some, not all, areas.

For example, women generally do better economically in divorce, while men's pay is typically higher than women's.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Men don’t have to question if it’s safe to walk alone at night. I’d say that’s a significant gap

[Asker]

Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime

[PrincessC16]

Prove it

[msc545]

Definitely in favor of women, who benefit far more from legal bias (divorces, child custody, alimony, child support) social customs (men must do the approaching, provide everything, and live less years than women, who then inherit wealth) and divorce (easy for women to find another "provider", not easy for men to find another SO at all), and of course defense (men required to register for selective service and fight if called - women have NO obligations at all).

[NathanDavis]

not here where I live, no... not a "major" one

[Fireguy17]

you get out of life what you put into life.
You can get out and make things happen, or you can sit at home in your mother's basement aka command post and wonder why life is passing you by, it holds true for men, women and pronouns.

[MuddyMole]

Not really. If there is one, it's overshadowed by other things that make a much bigger difference - like being rich vs poor, healthy vs unwell, attractive vs unattractive, etc.

[midnightmoon05]

It’s really not a gender issue… however…I believe the man can make the woman’s life better and vs … if they allow it.

[goaded]

Yes, in men's favour. Men are never killed for simply being men, women are killed for simply being women.

[Apple1996]

Well yeah we live in a patriarchy so men get a bit of a advantage in life because of that

[MongozDish]

For example?

[Apple1996]

@MongozDish just seems like men get more respect in general. The luxury of being human and themselves. Women get dehumanized, treated like objects and disrespected when we try being ourselves. Both genders could be going through something difficult in life but at least men get that respect

[PrincessC16]

Right on. I'll give you an example, like losing jobs over being pregnant and being a mother in general. Who takes off the most when the kids are sick?

[MongozDish]

"just seems like men get more respect in general." This statement is too vague to verify. How do you measure respect between men and women? Why does it seem that way? And is it actually true?

"Women get dehumanized, treated like objects and disrespected when we try being ourselves." I don't think that's exclusive to women, as men go through the same things—though not necessarily in the same way.

"Both genders could be going through something difficult in life but at least men get that respect" Again, it's hard to describe what you actually mean by that.

[MongozDish]

@PrincessC16 "I'll give you an example, like losing jobs over being pregnant and being a mother in general." The main goal of a business is to maximize efficiency and increase profits. If pregnant women—and mothers in general—hinder the ability to achieve these goals, then it is only logical that businesses do not keep up with them as expected. Sorry, but businesses aren't social charities.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I will predict this argument is not going to go well for Apple. As usual.

[PrincessC16]

We are just sexual objects put on this earth to satisfy mans sexual desires and bring forth children. That's all that needs to be said, bottom line.

[MongozDish]

@PrincessC16 Well, if you feel that way, I guess your feelings are valid. But it doesn't mean everyone else shares this opinion.

[Shiprex]

@PrincessC16 Losing jobs over being pregnant is illegal BUT as an employer it's got to be considered a possibility as well as the impact on other employees filling your workload.
Kids being sick would be the parent who earns least as the likelihood of being allowed time away to look after kids without pay deductions is slim (where I live it's still paid by employers while colleagues are expected to fill in) and the loss to the family is thus lowered. It's society who pays for these privileges if you're to have children. Not so fair on those who don't have them.

[Shiprex]

@PrincessC16 Women aren't here just for men. Men could regard their presence (thanks to social pressure) as being here to BUILD and create as well as sustain conditions for WOMEN to be kept safe and provided for completely. As in THEY make society FOR WOMEN to enjoy.

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
By respect do you mean they're being thought of as dangerous, creeps, predators, rapists, threatening, before you're even met them?
Men earn that respect from women because they HAVE to show themselves as NOT the above. Women don't have to earn respect for being anything. They need only turn up

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex men automatically get respect from society while women don't. Has nothing to do with the shit you listed

[PrincessC16]

Here we go! Everything man does is for the women. Ladies, we provide no service to men. We just have to show up. 🤔

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Let's see, how many men do you actually see getting defended when he got raped or assaulted by women? Also, when was the last time a male homeless shelter get funded fully? We don't have those kind of safety nets like you women have if we fail. Even international men's day is not as widely celebrated as women's day and we still have many feminists like you protesting against fathers day. The fact that men's suicide rate is still 4 times higher than women's world wide is still something you like to ignore just like the rest of society would do. And that news flash will still be fresh in the next 5 years.

[PrincessC16]

You're a lying piece of s***. I've been to rehab dumbass I know there's plenty of facilities for men.

[PrincessC16]

And you're going off on subjects that have nothing to do with the damn question at hand!

[PrincessC16]

And I'm technically homeless now so shut tf up! Unless you've walked in my shoes, you don't know a damn thing!

[MongozDish]

@PrincessC16 Insults don't prove a point.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@PrincessC16 And how is just whining prove what you're saying is true? Even if you're homeless, this question is not about individuals and it's not about you but average. And if you're homeless, I'm not surprised.

[Shiprex]

Men are thought of as bums until they have made something of themselves. In the eyes of women they're creeps, predators, threats and unworthy till they prove themselves. That's the prejudice women treat men with ALL THE TIME. @Apple1996

[Shiprex]

@PrincessC16 not everything. Men DO all those things as well as look out for themselves as well.

[Shiprex]

@PrincessC16 nowhere near as widely available for DV Victims who are men. But ofc men don't get abused by women according to feminism.

[msc545]

BS. Men pay for everything and risk their lives to take care of women.

[msc545]

@PrincessC16 Lots of facilities for men? List some.

[Apple1996]

@msc545 women litterally risk their life for everyone to be born. a lot of men on the other hand are selfish and only worry about themselves. They won't take a risk unless there is some benefit in it for them

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And for women to be able to produce, men risk their life for them. But if you think men don't, then you're not forced to give birth

[Apple1996]

@Aiko_E_Lara just lol 😆 what? Men risking their lives nutting in a woman is what your trying to tell me?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're forgetting about the competition and how men risk their lives to guard them, hunt for them and even build shelters for them so they can sustain life as a pregnant mom. So what if i find yourself risking your life to give birth funny? Does that automatically make me correct?

[PrincessC16]

Are you still talkig shit? Google it bitch! Since your so damn smart 🤓

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@PrincessC16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJScg78Rlc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hrHUo70nY&t=1s
And those youtube videos have articles in it and even linked but it's still too much for your small brain to process.

[Shiprex]

@PrincessC16 this isn't personal but a general reality that to keep society functioning, that protects and provides for all it's men who are being killed through accidents, conflict and crime (it's reductive to whine "but men commit crime unless the root causes of crime are brought in so don't go there).

[Rosexøxø]

@Shiprex I’m really astonished you would partake in this conversation and take a stance on a debate against a woman. To be honest. You’re being quite emotional just as the other guy was saying to princess that her emotionally thrown insults don’t prove anything. To be honest. You mentioned men provide these conditions for women and that’s just not 100% true. In this day matter of factly many men and women don’t provide for anyone other than themselves in society. You talk about you being a man providing and working so women can have safe conditions but you’re talking like the women don’t matter. So then why would you “work” for these women if you’re talking this way to a woman. Just seems a bit hostile.

Anyways another thing to add to your point if men don’t provide anything or work for women alone or exclusively… there are men who take their cars to a man mechanic. There are men who call a man to hook up the internet cable. There are men who call other men to tow their truck.

You don’t do this for women. You need other men yourself to do things FOR YOU. You work not for men or women. You work FOR YOU so you can eat. So YOU can pay your rent. You go to a doctor when you can’t take care of your health. You call a male fire fighter when you r house is ablaze. So do the other men. Society is not resting upon any one of you alone. Every man needs help from other men as women do. So I don’t know why you want some kind of thanks from this lady you don’t know or recognition when other men won’t recognize what you do either. They pay you for your service. And you help them for your wages. Period. You can’t be biased here

[Rosexøxø]

. And we can’t forget either there are female mechanics and female doctors and on and on. Female fire fighters. Other men and women need their service. It’s no longer a male providing for women world and it wasn’t that even when only men worked in certain jobs. Why? Because they didn’t care for all women. That hasn’t always been the case. They would do such jobs and then talk rude or themselves not appreciate a lady or make questions like these that go “what does a lady…. Bring to the table.”

Crap like this.

All I’m saying is I really don’t see the point you’re trying to prove. If you all want appreciation you have to realize appreciation isn’t pushed. And it’s not owed to you by women. If you feel unappreciated it’s not by women alone it’s by the men as well. This is not a problem ladies themselves have to fix for you.

[Rosexøxø]

@Aiko_E_Lara aiko e Lara. I get you have things you’re upset about to even partake in this argument and you clearly have your side. But you don’t realize there are homeless men and women, and if one were to have a better chance at surviving overnight under the elements it would be a man. Men’s bodies keep them warmer better than women do. This is why guys feel hot and prefer cooler environments and women need jackets at times.

Also you mentioned guys guarding women. There is a plethora of men who join such services and they DONT have women in their mind. I actually had a marine friend who joined because his dad wanted him to and he was in the military and then he died. The guy had no morals and was just trained to use a gun. AND get any of the benefits that would come with that. Any challenges sure but any of the benefits with that mostly including a wage.

You do a job like everybody else and the reasons you do it should be between you and your own conscience. But in this day and age everyone does it for the hope of a living wage. Period. You do that they do that and they do that all so everyone can either pay their rent their mortgage and buy food etc.

You work to live. Living wage. Period. Stop demanding women say sorry or thanks to you when you live in this kind of society built by men like we all do. The rich men don’t care what you do and the homeless men don’t care what you do either. The homeless want your charity and the rich want your labor. Period.

Stop villainizing women.

[Rosexøxø]

You talking about protecting women is an older ideology. Men don’t do things for the women population and vice versa. When kids in “healthy” family homes grow up their teachers say “what do you want to do when you grow up.”

Parents say “oh do this consider that. MAKE MONEY. You’re good at that. DO WHAT I DID. You can go further than I have.” Etc.

They never say “oh work doing this so you can protect women cause that’s your job. Oh do this to protect and look out for your men cause it’s your duty.”

There is no such thing being said.

People have joined the military cause of older family members. Even in older wars they did it cause they didn’t want to be laughed at or their FRIENDS were joining.

You try to paint men then and now as these heroes or martyrs ONLY with women on their mind or as motivation and that’s just not the case. If anything if any of them have a whole some reason to fight and not be blood thirsty or kill it’s for their FAMILIES their parents. Their younger siblings. The sake of having a home to go back to.

The ideas a lot of you men who make these arguments either hate women or demand a thank you when there in fact already women who have given their thanks maybe not to you- but their sons their boyfriends their grand sons their friends. Their brothers. Their fathers.

If you had no one thank you for whatever it was you did you simply can’t push that on strangers who do not even know you.

I guarantee you the men you ALSO would have fought for would not thank you at all and you wouldn’t demand their thanks.

If there are men who are pushing for their recognition it doesn’t come as a result of their arguing for it. And it doesn’t come from strangers and it’s not the duty of a woman to thank you.

[Rosexøxø]

And by the way I won’t be replying to either of you. Feel free to block me. Cause I seen you handful (not the healthy guys) just go on each lady’s thread saying men had it easier and you all went off.

[Shiprex]

@Rosexøxø when women prejudice against men before meeting them as threatening, predators, creeps, toxic etc. There's an inherent problem. If you think it's acceptable for that behaviour against men without question, then it's only fair thst men who've got the opinions of women as 304s, gold diggers, sluts etc., have as much justification (even more since 1 in 10 young women are doing sex work online) for holding those views.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Rosexøxø]

@Apple1996 @PrincessC16 I agree with both of you and I hope your situation turns out for the better. I recommend not arguing or doing what they’re trying to sell as a legit “debate.” Because one of the issues men face is struggles with mental health or having an outlet to cope. They’re against therapy but they have no problem spewing hostility at women. They expect you to fix it for whatever reason. Or take “your place” in submission or give them a doggy biscuit thank you. When you’re not just a lady. We are that biologically. BUT what we all are MOST importantly is equal members of a society. Women work study and try their very best just as men do. You owe no verbal tribute to men like these stressing you out and trying to get you to see in their way. They’re not leader material and they’re hurt people who never got the therapy they need. And still do. I ask you don’t participate (your choice) because it will just bring about stress, aggravation, and the worst of them trying to verbally belittle you. If you want to correct them. Feel free. But do maintain your peace. ✌️

It’s not worth arguing over these kinds of individuals. Other men are busy working and if they seen this pointed at them they would say their piece and ignore such men. These men have little to no respect. I’ve seen the behavior before.

[Rosexøxø]

Best to you both. Be well.

[Shiprex]

@Rosexøxø men provide the backbone of society is what I'm saying. They sacrifice for EVERYONE to keep the lifestyles that women far too often and more these days take for granted.
Women are the ones who get choices. Men do not. A woman has value in society because she can give birth EVEN IF SHE DOESN'T. A man ONLY gets valued when he DOES SOMETHING for others like have a job, pay taxes or he's seen as a loser. That's not emotional, thats fact.

[Rosexøxø]

@Shiprex you replied quite quick before I finished my opinions and I said I wouldn’t reply but have valued your opinions in the past. Not all but a good handful. I think it’s important I answer and give some insight on female reasoning for this and make a correction. I know something like that upsets you. And it would me also. I have personally have people look at me as a threat ladies included before and it made me annoyed. Various situations. But I learned and chose to avoid it and make myself appear less threatening when necessary.

Also it’s not a prejudice. I would ask you: is it a prejudice that you them or myself avoid walking in. A cage with a tiger or a few feet from a herd of lions? It’s not because we can’t establish a line of trust from have never interacting before and YET we know such tigers are born equipped with nails and teeth. We can’t make a 100% accurate judgement call on whether or not they will use such things towards us. It’s not prejudice it’s PRECAUTION. It’s a level of risk.

Men come equipped with fists. That can punch. I’m not prejudiced if I know a guy can punch. I can’t make a judgement call on whether or not he will use that or something else in his favor and against me. So I don’t see why I should be hated for that and offer my 100% trust to a complete total stranger. If there’s risk there has to be precaution. I wouldn’t expect you to understand 100% as you’re not a lady. But I expect some level of understanding because there are more valid things you and other men have to take and use precaution about. No not women. Not all the time. Not all women. If anything you could take precaution against female gold diggers. If that’s a problem for men then they should use precaution. But I don’t think a woman can hurt a man the same way a man could in the physical sense. You just can’t compare it. If you personally have had issues or fear for your life when it comes to money then use precaution. That’s your choice and right.

[Rosexøxø]

At the same time if we look at it in a merit view point it’s not at all the same…

A guy if he gets robbed by “the dreadful lady digger.” It’s nothing different than a male robber/thug. In MONETARY terms.

If a guy said your wallet or your life you’d give the wallet. Why? Because you him her she them and myself we all only have ONE ☝️ life here. As long as you and him and her and they and myself have an income we will always have money. Money is a cyclical transactional reoccurring thing. Life here is just but once. If you can’t see that I can’t force you to see that. You should see that and other guys arguing this same problem because guys are familiar with male robbers. Wanting their wallets. Not only so it’s more dangerous from the robber than the digger cause he threatens your life meanwhile she offers you sex… so I don’t see how you can hate the women for their tactic than the men and theirs.

[Rosexøxø]

Furthermore you can prevent the lady digger from miles away. Meanwhile a lady cannot prevent a hostile male within a few feet and a split decision that could save or end her life. I hope you take some time to consider this shiprex.

I get men have things that anger them but it’s unfair to point their stick at women. And not the other men who have done far worse wrongs to you. Also not all lady’s are diggers.

Okay I won’t be replying. Maybe it doesn’t seem fair but I firmly believe none of you will change your mind on these matters. I just have to accept that and go about my way. But I said my piece because I couldn’t let you all go on and on and on all these threads like immature kids sharing what angers you in rude ways and not even hearing the ladies out. When I read such comments I factually don’t see men who seem to care about women not even in the slightest. Maybe if it was gone about differently and both sides heard and not a bunch of men grouping up to verbally spew against ladies here then yeah I’d see it differently. But this way of going about it is just wrong. And the good thing is my mind won’t be changed about that in particular- either.

Best to you

[Shiprex]

@Rosexøxø if you think men have it easier then ignore homelessness, lack of services for male DV victims, desth in work, shorter life expectancy, worse treatment in the justice system then where exactly is this "easier" life coming in?
Spewing inaccurate misandry because you're female and not expecting to be challenged is one level above princess entitlement.

[Rosexøxø]

@Shiprex my final:
It is emotional. You’re not stolen Cold when others mistreat you. But you can feel what you feel without attacking women. You’re attacking the wrong person.

men and women face homelessness. Men and women face death. In jobs and out of jobs.

Maybe more men face in job deaths because women can’t work such jobs. 🤷‍♀️

Men are not the backbone. All of society is resting upon the working class and men and women work for themselves. Programs put into place were done by men in the past who institutionalized it.

There are programs for men cause my father has gone through them. Salvation Army. Bowery mission in New York. There were programs in the Great Depression who gave food not to men or women but ALL people.

If you want to im an entitled princess who was not born in inherited wealth nor who lives from her fathers wages… that’s a you problem. But for you to start getting hostile to me so much so you see red here in all your arguments and think you’re bringing about change or real definitive justice? By arguing with a lady who has no affect over your wages and has to earn wages herself…

Makes you a horrible person in society for one reason alone. I’m a society member and you can’t even take a minute to consider my view point. You’re not a real debater.

What cause are you speaking out for? What real action are YOU taking for those men?

Are you helping at the shelter for them?

[Rosexøxø]

It doesn’t matter cause they want your money regardless. They don’t know your name.

If you want to bring about change for them ACTUALLY it’s not by arguing on a site like this nor arguing with women specifically.

You didn’t make it clear what you wanted but if it’s anything good and society based it’s not by here…

You’re in the wrong on many levels. And if you have pain or anger it’s not going to get resolved online either through this. It’s with therapy. The fact you think women are an enemy here or these sheltered babies is so factually wrong.

But you can’t even participate in a conversation here on this forum and see the other sides that other people have. The world isn’t just white or just male or just ONE person.

It’s all of us and your eyes and pov is too blinded to actually see the rest of us. I pity that. But I’ll be blocking because you became instilling towards me. Real shame.

Anyways wish you and your family and wife the best. I don't know how it’ll happen for you but at least I hope you find some peace in the midst of that.

Cya. ✌️

[Shiprex]

@Rosexøxø women can absolutely hurt a MSN and destroy his self worth ONCE HE'S clise to her. So men have every right to see women as threats. You're focusing only on the physical risk which as men you can bet we KNOW better than you of the potential threat another man is to us because MEN are more likely victims in the first place. So maybe YOU can see other men in the way men see them as ANOTHER HUMAN BEING not a lion, tiger or bear (more toxic misandry you're not even aware of comparing men to wild animals YOURSELF)
YES I've been put in hospital by beating from other men and al. ost killed by being drugged, robbed and SAd by WOMEN so I'm not ignorant to being mistreated BY CRIMINALS because I don't treat strangers like criminals until they do something criminal. I treat them as human beings with their own lives and not as a threat even if I'm not the biggest strongest or fastest man there.
I treat them respectfully.

[Shiprex]

@Rosexøxø I'm arguing about the cryx of the points made that it isn't a world "for men". Men don't have privileges like women do. By telling YOU and other women of the reality , it's not attacking you but clarifications to you of the reality women don't see. To most women men are beneath them, not worthy, invisible, icky and "unclean" . They wouldn't give tgrm the time of day.
I'm pointing out the inequity in society tgat shows it is NOT A MAN'S WORLD.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Rosexoxo So why is it only I am being the one upset when I talk about the others out of the story? How about the original opinion owner? she's not upset? I see, double standards. Also I never said that there are no homeless women. I said there are more homeless men and more homeless shelter for women funded because of the idea that men are "stronger" to the point that they completely neglect their needs. Social experiments have proven that one.

I'm not even just talking about those services you're talking about but it is naturally an instict for men to protect women for humanity to sustain. And again social experiments prove that one. And the reason why men are the ones being disposable is because we don't have thesame reproductive rights as you do because we cannot give birth. So if there are more men than women, the population growth is much slower than vice versa since women can only give birth for a few times in our life and a man can make hundreds of girls out of time pregnant. It's evolution.
It's only these days that you women stop appreciating men because jobs are getting easier unlike before where women can now work effectively. And that is exactly why men these days stop pleasing women unless that women is appreciative and value traditional roles without abusing it. I will also have to remind you that once men get married, they get prone to being manipulated to work harder for the family because they are threatened with divorce which family courts favors women for that. If men these days dont work for women, the government still do however using taxes they get from people working, mostly from men since they're the one who make more money, for the homless shelters, women's day, women's rights, social workers for female victims and so on. Those are just facts and if you think im villainizing women just for sharing the other side of the story, whats with the double standards then? Why aren't you considering the opinion owner to be villainizing thing men?

[Rosexøxø]

@Shiprex I’m guilty I read it but I do have a heart also. And that seems a fair point. For the sake of if not you maybe any other men who were in pain from this belief or confusion I’ll respond.

Women or at least not all (I never met ANY woman who thought she was better than a guy). If anyone does that’s their opinion. Especially when it comes to preferences of a companion maybe they feel they deserve better the guy or the girl and that’s their opinion. I don't know how you or anyone would believe a lady thought she was better than a guy (and I don't know in what way of being better since not specified). But I don’t see how someone who has felt threatened by another would imagine themselves better. In that case maybe better in the sense they would not try to intentionally threaten or instill a level of fear into the other or others. That automatically would make that person better. Morally speaking and so on.

Anyways this world we speak of and live in was started and developed by men mostly so it’s a male dominated world. It is shifting and has its place points of evolution but it can’t be denied that it’s male started and some times benefits men.

Maybe it’s not written but it’s unwritten. The unwritten rules the handwriting of nature and biology and the written code in how each man thinks personally.

[Rosexøxø]

You say women have privileges and I think that’s where many of these arguments also begin to unfold or develop. The mistake of the question was asking it in a way that makes a winner and a loser and placed some kind of divide.

Some of these points do the same and the ones who say women have it easier or are wrong to not say thank you or wrong to not respect or wrong to not trust or wrong to not like a guy are all trying to control how a lady thinks and feels one control what the lady does or treats the guy and these men are not her father or husband or boyfriend or ruler or god. It’s just not the case so all these stranger men should not have any say in how she feels or thinks or what she does. Not them not any other women because this is a society not a game or some empire. It’s a society.

Filled with people. Living individuals.

There are no privileges. The only ones privileged are the rich.

[Rosexøxø]

You want ladies to acknowledge they’re privileged and we are not and you can’t force us to see things in that way or your way specifically.

We still have hardships. And any of the benefits we can have men also have. Wages. Retirement. Unemployment. Health insurance. Medical care. Etc.

There are limits. Each who aren’t rich have their limits and I say it’s harder for the one who has limits on their survival because of their size their frame and who chooses to give them problems.

I think the only issues faced today in society is economic issues you even said the problem men would have to worry about is gold diggers and you left out the robbers.

Another guy mentioned the benefits of businesses.

All of this is revolved around economics and monetary aspects.

If ladies were indeed privileged it seems you are spoiled to hate their privilege and not even hate the privileges of the men who make WAY more than you and live better off than you do. 🤷‍♀️

Why attack the lady for the LITTLE GOOD she can get when others have their fair share of good? And if they don’t like you or think they are better than you, you don’t hate on them shit on their parade. 🤷‍♀️

You all are being hypocritical and projecting the lack of gratitude. You don’t seem to have even 1% gratitude for women or at least if not appreciate them respect them as the living humans and members of society that we are as anyone else.

It doesn’t matter what they think if they don’t take anything away from you. We all live our individual lives and that’s what our founding fathers said so beautifully.

[Rosexøxø]

We ALL

have the RIGHT to LIFE 🌱, LIBERTY 🗽, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. 🥂

So if you are having a fit about the benefits someone else has BECAUSE many times due to their shortcomings or disabilities shame on you!

We all can’t see the world in your eyes and these small benefits barely make any difference.

Everyone has access to things like credit and loans and you see graduates all the time with debt.

No matter what small thing a person may get if they’re not born into wealth they will suffer like everyone else. Stop forcing gratitude on others

And stop

VICTIMIZING YOURSELF ONLY

AND VILLAINIZING WOMEN OKT OF ANYTHING AT ALL YOU COULD POSSIBLY SEE AS THE PROBLEM.

anyways good day. I’m done. I gain nothing from saying more. I’m pleased with what I said and I’ll continue to do my best to make the most out of my life and the rights I have to my society and my country and this planet I’m on for a time.

Peace ✌️

Ps you’re very rude and you’re very short sighted and tight minded.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And yet again we're only talking about the other side of the story here for that argument and nobody is forced to see or recognize your own privileges. So if we are hypocrites then what is it that you're only favoring the original opinion in this talking about how we are living in a patriarchal world? Of course you don't see that as villainizing men but only if men speaks up about it and talk about the other side. Isn't that right? Because that is the way to prove your hypocrisy. And if you are not rude and short sighted and narrow-minded, you should have known who to preach at first.

[bddddd]

Women earn about 25% less than men earn, then take time to raise children.

I'm not arguing that is how it should be, merely that is how it is.

[genericname85]

@CupcakeTheDestroyer Males are more likely than females to be victims of most violent crimes.

[MzAsh]

Of other men

[Asker]

@MzAsh how is that relevant whatsoever?

[genericname85]

@MzAsh how does it matter for the victim what genital their victimizer had between their leggs? do you think being shot by a woman feels somehow less bad?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And she still fails to realize that even if a man is victimized by a woman, society still dismisses it unlike vice versa.

[PrincessC16]

@Aiko_E_Lara Baloney

[MzAsh]

Because context matters. If the goal is to argue men have it worse, it makes sense to ask why so many men are hurting each other.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you also have to dig into the deeper reason why men do that. Society had always been hardwired to not hurt women and when men gets hurt, they're always expected to fight back, to do all the action whether to be the hero or the villain to earn respect with guys having different ways of interpreting them. That was something to do with evolution because men don't have reproductive rights like you do. Which is what you are loved unconditionally and don't have to do anything stupid or meaningful to prove your worth.

[PrincessC16]

Really, were loved unconditionally, well I haven't met that man besides my daddy. Society does not dismiss it when a woman hurts a man. That is a over generalized statement. Were loved unconditionally because we bring forth children? Bs... And we don't have to do anything stupid to prove our self worth
We have to prove our self worth every damn day just like a man. All I'm hearing is a bunch of mumbo jumbo bullshit! Sit down in your chair and think about reality folks because y'all are far far away.

[genericname85]

@MzAsh you're mixing perpetrators with victims. do you wanna make the argument that "being the gender that's more likely to hurt someone else" is somehow an argument for "they have it better"?

[genericname85]

@PrincessC16 society absolutely does dismiss it when a woman hurts a man. the first reaction is disbelieve and question when that happens always is "but he's a man, he's stronger, why did he not fight back?"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@PrincessC16 You're using anecdotal evidence. If I have to use anecdotes as well I can easily say I have seen the opposite of what you've seen. Social experiments would beg to differ about what you've said. Even the statistics made it clear when there are many men who are successful, which is what you all like to complain about, you also like to ignore how many men who are at the bottom of the ladder who is trying to compete to make it on top to prove their self worth because all you do is blame them instead. Here is a fun fact for you. Men don't really have that same safety net you do when we get homeless. There are women shelter for you available because of the duluth model that believes women are always the victims even if they're the ones who caused their own problems and even if they're the perpetrators. Male homeless shelters always get shut down because of the lack of funding. Do i even have to get started on men's suicide rate being 4x higher than women's?

[genericname85]

@Aiko_E_Lara bro just give up. if someone tries to argue overarching social reality with what they personally experienced, it's a lost cause. they will never understand that all they've ever experienced is nothing compared with everything out there.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's the problem. People giving up against them without giving them any consequences for their own delusion just makes them think they've won and that's where they spread like virus.

[PrincessC16]

Yawn...🙄

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@PrincessC16 Facts are boring. Go back to your feminist fantasy novel.

[genericname85]

@Aiko_E_Lara some dude roasting them on some website isn't exactly "consequences" either xD

[Aiko_E_Lara]

They see it and even if they don't care. This post remains present.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Women are generally treated better than men in the legal system or in situations like war.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Something Something grass. Something Something otherside

[Anonymous]

I voted A because in the West society treat women much better than men.

[Opinion Owner]

I meant I voted B.

[Anonymous]

Yes, women usually have most of the advantages.

[chocolatetwopointo]

we live in a patriarchy

[Account]

Shit I meant to click A.

[WhiteThought]

Well what do you mean by quality of life?

[Staximus]

That depends on where you live

[Anonymous]

Yes, in men's favor

[beefcakebradybatson]

YEP !!!

[noohair]

Define quality...