Can anyone give me "proof" or "evidence", that a United States citizen was deported?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

[Anonymous]

• I am amazed at all of these posts from people so upset that Abrego Garcia was sent back to El Salvador. He is a member of MS13. He has those gang tattoos. He beat the S#it out of his wife. He is potentially involved in human trafficking! Do you think MS13 gangbangers come to America and get normal jobs, and become a upstanding member of the community? NO! NONE OF THEM WORK! They steal, rob, rape, kill, traffick women for sex, and sell dope. Do you want him living in your neighborhood? You want him returned, but I'll bet that NONE of you would want him to be living next-door to you.

[goaded]

You know almost all that is made up propaganda.

[Shiprex]

No he is not a member of that gang.
Due process would have proven this but ignorant dumb af reprobate racist fux thought the colour of his skin would be sufficient justification to illegally detain and send him to a foreign jail

[Opinion Owner]

@Shiprex He literally has MS-13 tatoos. He was pulled over by the police once in a car belonging to a known human trafficker, whom he said was his boss. He was pulled over again and had 7 girls in the vehicle. All of them gave his address as their home. Your democrat party doesn't care about the women and girls who get raped and sold into prostitution by these illegals. Since you are so concerned about this gangbanger, are you also concerned about the 200,000 children brought to the US illegally, who are somehow missing? Nope! One little 11 year old girl that was rescued had semen from 20 guys in her. Are you worried about her? Nope! The democrat party wants people to stop using the word "pedo" to describe sex offenders. They say it is a "hurtful word". They want us to use "MAPS"- (Minor Attracted Persons) instead. No wonder democrats have nothing but contempt for the victims and give full support to the horrible people who commit these crimes. Here you are, worried that the illegal gangbanging trafficker is "illegally" sent to a foreign jail. WTF? That is his native country! You throw around words like ignorant and dumb, re-read what you wrote and look in a mirror.

[Shiprex]

IS that what they told you?

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Abrego Garcia was a green card holder, not a citizen. Even still, a green card is a sign that he is legally able to remain in the country until he is given due process to prove otherwise. He was not given due process. He was just deported to a prison with no chance to defend himself in court as he is entitled to, his American wife and children want him home.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Garcia had deportation orders from a judge!

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

He still has the right to defend himself, deportation doesn’t automatically mean the concentration camp in El Salvador

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

He lost that right, according to SCOTUS, after he broke laws, as a "guest" in my (our) country and got deportation orders.

[goaded]

Garcia had an order AGAINST deportation to El Salvador.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

@goaded Yes, that's true but he wasn't a citizen of the USA.

[goaded]

Also true, but in the jurisdiction of the US, which requires due process. He didn't get that.

[SkeeterOne]

Garcia is not a green card holder. He has what's called "withholding of removal" granted him in 2019. It's not a green card nor is it a pathway to citizenship.

[goaded]

@SkeeterOne And the judge just threw out the case against him as a vindictive prosecution. Which was obvious. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx21r04wg8qo

[goaded]

Nobody's claimed that as far as I know. It's a straw man. Someone has been illegally deported without due process, and that's bad enough. If they can get away with that, they can take anyone, immigrant or citizen.

Not you, of course, because you're a good Nazi.

Do you understand this?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

That's the issue, goaded, you're actually claiming something that's never happened, is apparently going to happen, right? Just because Trump is president? If people walk around fearing the boogie man is going to grab them and deport them, they need psychological help. Do you understand this?

[goaded]

You think the time to complain is after Trump's political opponents have disappeared not before?

If a president is allowed to take someone from the streets of the USA and put them in a foreign concentration camp with no chance of proving their right to be in the USA, he can literally do it to anyone, immigrant or citizen.

Trump has already done that at least once and the White House insists they won't bring him back despite acknowledging what they did was a mistake and illegal. Why do you think he wouldn't do it again?

You don't care if presidents have that power only because you know that Democratic presidents would never use it.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

He had deportation orders, he wasn't illegally removed from the country. The mistake they made was putting him in El Salvador. However, the rival gang Garcia was supposedly hiding from, no longer exists. It's ridiculous to try to scare people for absolutely no reason. That's CNN bullshit!

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Also, Barack Obama did the same thing throughout his administration and the media and left glorified him! "Deporter in Chief".

[goaded]

He was legally in the country, where do you get this nonsense from? If his removal wasn't illegal, the supreme court wouldn't have said that it was and that the government should get him back. In fact, ALL of those deportations were illegal, because none of the deported were given due process. SCOTUS was UNANIMOUS on that.

As to Obama, as usual, Republicans don't give credit for Democrats doing what they claim they want them to do. (And I don't think he was being praised for it from the left.)

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Every time the right would claim the left has a fascination with illegal immigrants, the media and the left ALWAYS bring up Obama and call him the deporter in Chief. Where do you get this nonsense that the Republicans were against it? All they're doing is bringing up the fact that no judges or political opponents of his got in the way. Now Trump does the same thing, suddenly I'm supposed to fear walking down the street. Also, it was illegal to ship him to El Salvador. He only had a TEMPORARY hold in this country, which was reminded.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

*reminded*

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

*rescinded*

[goaded]

I didn't say "Republicans were against [Obama's deportations]", I said "Republicans don't give credit for Democrats doing what they claim they want them to do", which is true. And "deporter in chief" was never praise from the left.

e. g. "Barack Obama was famously labeled “deporter in chief” by critics in the immigrant-rights community, even as enforcement-first advocates accused his administration of being soft on unauthorized immigrants."
www.migrationpolicy.org/.../obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

Perhaps "no judges or political opponents of his got in [Obama's] way" because he was doing what Republicans wanted and he wasn't breaking the most basic laws of the land, dating back to England in 1166: habeas corpus.

Every single SCOTUS justice upheld that universal right in their recent judgement against the Trump regime. Trump is not simply doing "the same thing", he's breaking the law and defying the courts.

And they're amazingly childish about the whole thing:


That's the official White House twitter account. These people represent your country.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

3/4 of the immigrants deported under Obama never had "due process". Never saw a judge. He did exactly what Trump is doing. The left wears the "deporter in Chief" label as a badge of honor. Again, they're the ones that constantly say it when questioned about the their thoughts on immigration. Also, SCOTUS issued a temporary STAY", they never said it's illegal.

[goaded]

There was a process, it didn't need a judge. Honestly, I don't approve. However, it was not "exactly what Trump is doing". 3/4 of Trump's deported "criminals" don't have a criminal record, and as I said before "deporter in Chief" came from critics, not supporters.

Pointing out that Obama deported more people than Trump is just a fact, not an endorsement.

All 9 justices explicitly agreed that due process is essential in deportation.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

SCOTUS made two decisions, one was that Garcia shouldn't have been deported to El Salvador and two, the Alien Act that Trump enacted for Venezuelan suspected gang members be put on hold for now. They never said it was illegal that they're not getting due process, only that for now they should. That ruling could change. No rulings were made for overall deportations. Only those two very specific cases. Also, all nine judges didn't agree on blocking the Alien Act. What was Obama's process that didn't require a judge in his deportations?

[goaded]

Not just that "Garcia shouldn't have been deported to El Salvador", but that he should be brought back and the government should explain the steps they take.

"The [lower court] order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador...

... the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps."
www.supremecourt.gov/.../24a949_lkhn.pdf

In another decision, all justices agreed that due process was essential.

As to Obama, I don't know. Maybe it was because it was aimed at actual convicted criminals and people who had arrived within hours or days (not years or decades) knowing they might not be allowed residency.

[goaded]

Oh, here you go:
"This practice isn’t really new. Agents from the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have long had the authority to send immigrants home without a hearing through an informal, voluntary “return.” Would-be immigrants who went back to their countries this way didn’t end up with marks on their permanent immigration records. Border officers made wide use of this procedure during the Bush Administration."
newrepublic.com/.../expedited-removal-deportations-immigrants-dont-get-due-process

"While funding for ICE and the Border Patrol swelled in the Bush years, funding for the system of immigration courts, which handle removal hearings, remained low—and it has in the Obama years, too."
Wasn't that part of Biden's bipartisan bill? The one that Trump killed.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

I'll concede Garcia, I actually didn't read the entire ruling by SCOTUS (definitely my fault), but can you provide me a link to their "unanimous" ruling that all illegal immigrants are required to have "due process" before deportation? Also, you still didn't give me Obama's "process" that ensured every person he deported got due process. Comparisons ignore Obama's first six years of deportations! Yes, Obama actually raided the interior of the country looking for illegals and in at least one case, actually deported someone that had protected status.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

I also have to say, it is absolutely ridiculous so say Trump supposedly killed a piece of legislation for a problem the Democrats said never existed. "The border is secure"... never needed legislation to secure the border.

[goaded]

The justices all agreed that the people facing being deported under the AEA still have the right of habeas corpus, but that they have to apply it in Texas, where they're held, and not DC. The government has to prove they are who and what it says they are. That's the due process under the AEA. (The fact that the AEA explicitly talks about being "at war" etc. is ignored by Trump's SCOTUS.)

www.supremecourt.gov/.../24a931_2c83.pdf

Come on! "a problem the Democrats said never existed"? Why did they negotiate a bill, then?

Of course there's a problem with illegal immigration, but Democrats say the solution should not involve breaking the law, that's all. More judges would have meant more deportations, more quickly, something Republicans claim to want. Like with Obama, Democrats doing what Republicans want isn't acknowledged by Republicans.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Kamala Harris "The border is secure"... Mayorkas "The border is secure, is CLOSED" lol I could probably play an hour of democrats parroting that. It was only a problem when elections were coming up, so they supposedly "negotiated" a bill. The typical Republicans wanted to support it, because they knew the media would pounce on them for not supporting it before the election but Trump wasn't falling for it and obviously the American people didn't either.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

As I stated earlier, SCOTUS ruled on two SPECIFIC cases about due process, AEA and Garcia, you keep saying they reached a UNANIMOUS decision that ALL illegal's are required due process.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Oh, all nine justices were NOT unanimous about halting AEA deportations.

[goaded]

They were unanimous in defending the right to habeas corpus, that's what I said. If they all agreed about it in that case, they'll agree with it in all other cases. It's a foundation of western jurisprudence dating back centuries.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

They only had ONE unanimous decision and that was Garcia! The AEA was NOT unanimous and had nothing to do with deporting people the traditional way, if it did, where are the rulings from lower courts to stop ALL deportations?

[goaded]

They were unanimous in defending the right to habeas corpus, and that's what I said.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

I get that but that decision has no impact in ALL deportations. Their ruling even said it only applies to that specific group. You kept saying they were unanimous in due process for ALL ILLEGALS, that was never the case.

[goaded]

Why would they rule otherwise in other cases?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Um, because all cases are not the same? That's a start. As I said, lower courts could rule that ALL deportations must stop due to SCOTUS ruling and Trump would have to fight it but they can't, because the ruling only applied to that specific group.

[goaded]

No, they are the same, because nearly 900 years of history has said that habeas corpus is essential. It's not a 50 year old Stare Decis that certain "justices" lied about respecting, it's the bedrock of law and order in the western world.

And now there are American children, US citizens, sent to countries they've never been to in their lives and in a few cases never going to leave in their short lives. I hope you're proud.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

That seems to be the left's negligence. Why aren't they filing motions with lower courts? I have no problem with illegals staying in this country if it's been shown they've lived productive lives for a few years. I'm only questioning your interpretation of SCOTUS rulings. It's funny, you never even considered where I stand on certain cases.

[goaded]

I "never even considered where [you] stand on certain cases" because your question was an obvious straw man. And now you're blaming the left for Trump's actions.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

My question was simple! You fear monger on Trump's policy on deportation, right? Then claim NO ONE is safe, not even citizens but there are absolutely no cases of citizens being deported! And I'm NOT blaming the left for Trump's actions, I'm telling you that you're interpretation of SCOTUS rulings are WRONG and the left's inaction to file motions prove it!

[goaded]

Except since you posted this question there have been cases of citizens being deported with their parents. Children, without their parents being allowed to have a meaningful say, even a citizen parent.

And if someone can be deported and locked up without trial, nobody is safe. It means mere accusations have the power of a full trial, and that's against the spirit and the text of the constitution and centuries of western jurisprudence.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

The parent (s), that we were here illegally, decided to take their children, Jesus Christ 🙄 Those children are US citizens and can come back, legally, any time they want. Why aren't attorneys filing motions with lower courts challenging SCOTUS's "unanimous" decision you claim applies to ALL illegal immigrants? They're not as smart as you?

[goaded]

How do you know they "decided to take their children"? The father of one toddler is still in the US, but his wife was allowed no contact with him or their lawyer to organise anything for their child.

The two children with cancer who are in South American countries with nothing but what they're wearing probably won't survive to see the US again. The only country they've ever lived in.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Like you, I don't know all the facts surrounding the case. I do know the Trump administration said they can come back to the US, as they are legal citizens, do you know if anyone is trying to bring them back or are they gonna be used by the left for political points? There's two sides and two different stories but their stance is clear, if family members in the US want them and the mother's want to return them, they are welcome here. Also, only one child has cancer.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

I see you're talking about another child with cancer. I'm referring to the three in this particular case.

[goaded]

The US citizens were put on a plane out of the US by the US government to a country they'd almost certainly never even visited. The father of one was desperately tying to keep his child in the US.

"the Trump administration said"? Consider your reaction to me saying: "the Biden administration said..."!

Besides, how does a toddler buy a plane ticket? Of their mother, if they've been dumped in a foreign country without any resources?

How many children with cancer being deported is OK with you?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

So I'll take it no one has actually asked or is trying to have them brought back? Yes, Rubio said they're welcome back, so you can't say it isn't true if no one is trying to get them back lol There is actual documentation the mother's wanted them to go with them but now they're saying they were forced. You're going by what attorneys and the fathers are saying. Just admit it, you don't know all the facts and neither do I.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

@goaded I'm just wondering if you still care about the children that were deported, especially the ones with cancer. Can you give me an update?

[goaded]

I doubt anybody knows where they are. Why don't you look and tell me how they're all perfectly fine, including the ones with cancer?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Really? You're telling me the mother's don't know how to dial a fucking phone? You're telling me they don't have access to a computer? Are you telling me the people representing them have absolutely NO contact with them? It seems the typical manufacturered outrage by the media and yourself has run it's course. I'm under no obligation to tell you how they're doing! I figured you would be the one informing me!

[goaded]

Oh, look, you were just lying when you said "I'm just wondering..." You saw that that one case got dropped by the ACLU and expect that to mean it and all the other cases are baseless.

We don't know if "VML" was the "four-year-old [US citizen] suffering from a rare form of metastatic cancer and was deported out of the country without medication or consultation with their treating physicians", I doubt it because it would have been in the court documents.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Actually, I didn't know a case was dropped but thanks for sharing that!

[SkeeterOne]

Trump's political opponents have tried hard to disappear him.

[jshm2]

Of course.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/17/us/lopez-gomez-citizen-detained-ice-florida/index.html

But can you give me evidence you can read and comprehend evidence?

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

He WASN'T deported dumb fuck!

[blackeagle007]

No need for vulgar language

[BarryLiverstone]

Nydia


https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/ones-obama-left-behind-and-deported-without-chance-be-heard

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

I guess I should have clarified my question by saying "under Trump's administration". I actually posted a similar link for a person on here that refused to admit Obama deported 7 out of every 10 illegal immigrants without any due process. The media and democrat's actually bragged about it.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Also, she wasn't actually a "citizen", she only had asylum.

[BarryLiverstone]

Oh, I thought he was a citizen. Ty

[DrPepper12]

AFAIK he only threatened to report citizens so far but it's always "Springtime for Hitler" in Trump's "mind"...

[exitseven]

I would like so see that as well. So far all I hear are crickets.

[onedarkcloud]

Because the AMERICA LAST DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA SAID WE DID. They don't lie! LMFAO

[SkeeterOne]

It amazes me how knowledgeable we all are with immigration laws.

[jimmy2]

He considered a enemy comparative
Send him to Gromonative Bay

[Dargil]

Can't think of any.

[Dargil]

Can anyone prove Barack Obama had US citizens killed, off shore, from his Disposition Matrix? Yes.

[OldBlu]

Of course they can't.

[Anonymous]

No, how would you.

[TheSmellOfVictoria]

Thank you!