I think income tax should be abolished. Agree or disagree?

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No one else owns a portion of my labor

Jersey2 · Accepted Answer

For 137 years we did not have an Income Tax in the US. Then in 1913 a 2% income tax was put on only the richest and it was to go away as it was temporary for WWI. And here we are, taxed heavily and worse yet our money pissed away and now severe debt.

All this while those in Congress become wealthy with no reasonable explanation. We need some taxes but this needs to be fixed. The good news is Trump is firing lots of lazy Federal workers and the new tariffs are bringing in billions a month without all the negatives the Democrats said we would have… they are just hateful people really.

BCRanger10 · Accepted Answer

Absolutely  YES!

WhiteSteve · Answer

I mean….. that’s going to inevitably come with an ENORMOUS downgrade to the society we live in, like potentially third-world level.

The most important thing a government maybe exists to do is catch our citizens who fall. Out of benevolence, but also just for everyone’s overall benefit of not dealing with societal problems that would occur if we had all kinds of people running around literally fighting for their survival. Dead bodies in the streets we’d be stepping over. Some of us would have sick houses but off our property would be dystopian.

I kind of got over the Libertarian thing when I was like 15. “Government can’t tell me what to do, and no one can take my money, and fuck everyone who isn’t me or my loved ones, and I’m gonna build a fort, and stock it with 10 years’ supply of canned pork n’ beans and Spam, and have a big arsenal of guns to pew-pew anyone who tries to be the boss of me!😤”

I think income tax should be abolished. Agree or disagree?

We no longer live in the wild frontier. We should aim to be a modern, progressive society that looks out for one another, that doesn’t take this douchebag sink-or-swim-and-we’ll-laugh-and-sneer-at-the-drowners attitude.

When DOGE kept dropping all these numbers last winter, I’d always divide these large totals they’d claim by the some 160M federal income taxpayers, and it would come out to like $4 a person, for all of it. You can’t get coffee and a donut with that.

Obviously more than $4 dollars goes to taxes, but how do you plan to replace the lost revenue? Even if they give us all back four bucks to get rid of “woke”🤦‍♂️😂 The other thousands of your dollars that you pay are paying for the military that protects us and keeps our trade routes safe and open; maintenance of roads, water systems, sewage systems, power systems; public services like police, fire, EMS, mail delivery, public works…. what are you expecting, people to just donate to the ones they want? Have you met “people?”🤣 “Oh, uh, yeah…. I’ll send some money to go towards fixing potholes…. next month🤥”

And like I said, social safety nets…. I don’t want to live in some craziness where people are forced to be trying to climb into MY windows, desperate to survive. I don’t want to be in any gunfights with people more desperate than me. That Clint Eastwood shit is cute until the other guy gets the drop on you.

My boy Mike-Mike had someone run up in his spot like ten years go, he was heated up too, but the other guy got him. Mike-Mike is one of the best athletes I ever played with. Now he’s in a wheelchair and can JUSSSSTTTTT move one of his arms enough to hit a blunt or give you a gimpy handshake. Makes me sick everytime I see him.

I don’t want to live in a world of daily break-ins because the people we let sink are desperately trying to swim and have nothing left to lose. I’d rather shut the fuck up and pay my taxes, and count my stars that I live somewhere so prosperous that we don’t have to make bad choices about doing the right thing morally “because money.”

OlderAndWiser · Answer

Do you want a federal government to provide for our defense, and provide other essential services? If so, where should they get the money to pay for those things?

WindAtMyBack · Answer

Ideally there shouldn't be any tax or government at all. But without both of those you still get "taxed" by providing labor in a cooperative environment. Freeloaders would get banned.

Realistically we have taxes. There are hundreds of kinds of taxes, and some are worse than others. Income tax sucks. Property tax sucks even more. I prefer "use taxes", such as sales tax, excise taxes, tariffs, fees for services, fees for parks, etc.

So if income tax is abolished, what will take it's place? Income tax is a pretty big source of income. Abolishing it means either replacing it with another tax, or drastically reducing the government. I'd love to cut the government drastically, but I know that's not going to happen.

With taxes, it's the lesser of the evils. Taxes are spread out, with many different taxes, so it's less noticeable. Taxes that don't directly tax the voters are sneaky. For example the very high motel/hotel taxes that have become so popular. It's mostly people from elsewhere who pay those, not the local voters. "Corporate tax" is another sneaky one. It's played off like a tax on big bad corporations, but it's really just a hidden tax that regular people pay.

OneViewpoint · Answer

So how would you fund government if not by income tax? What would you tax instead that would be more fair?

Or would you get rid of government completely so, you're a Libertarian / Anarchist? No courts, military, law enforcement, regulatory oversight, food & drug supply safety, roads and bridges, harbors and rail, air traffic control, environmental safety, space exploration, bank regulation, investment regulation, etc. etc. etc.

Yay, no income tax. Everyone do whatever you want to anyone you want while the infrastructure crumbles and the Wall Street sharks pick your bones clean. Open a meth lab in a daycare center. Try your hand at sex trafficking. Get screwed by a building contractor and your family dies in a plane crash? Well at least you don't pay taxes.

Bricealan · Answer

@kingofkings1992 You ask a question, and get responses, and them make your insulting comment about the responses you get? "People are so deluded it's sickening" What the fuck?   What a jerk you are! If you fail to pay income tax to Federal, state or Municipalities, you usually wind up in deep shit with those collection arms... regardless of how you feel about "No taxation without representation" Until someone comes up with a system to fund everything the public wants in terms of services etc... it looks like we are stuck with taxes, no matter how we feel.

236color · Answer

Nobody likes taxes. That said, if we're going to have a government, it's got to be paid for, and the money isn't going to fall from the sky. Now we can and do debate what our government should pay for and how much, and those are legitimate discussions, but one way or another we're going to pay for it. Some people believe we shouldn't have a government. These people seem to think no government means they can do whatever they want, it doesn't. What it means the biggest, meanest, toughest guy gets to do whatever HE wants and you get to do whatever HE says until you die young. Tax isn't theft, it's rent on society. Who pays how much and what criteria are used to set the rate and again how much and for what purposes are all up for debate, but trust me, until we live in a Mad Max movie, we're going to have taxes of some kind.

SeekerOfTruth007 · Answer

How do you plan on funding a government, because Property Taxes are even more oppressive than income taxes. Without income taxes and sales taxes, there would be no police and no FBI/CIA to protect us from terrorists and gangs. Not that they do a very good job as things stand, because corrupt judges and lawyers get the criminals off scott free anyway.

Anyway, try paying 10% property tax if there was no income tax, and you'd be begging for income tax to come back. With property taxes, you can never afford to retire.

Syntosi · Answer

No, that is stupid. Income tax is a progressive form of taxation rather than a regressive. In other words, its a form of taxation which favors the poor and middle class because it makes the rich pay a far higher percentage of the total tax.

If you are going to do taxation at all then this is one of the good ones to keep around.

onedarkcloud · Answer

It does not matter if I agree or not. You asked a question without offering any suggestions on how the government is going to pay for the necessary things, never mind the bullshit things. How does the government pay for the military and other essential things to stay afloat as a nation? Offer some sort of plan as to how the government is going to get the money to pay people for the work they do, and I am talking about those people who do work, not the people who use the money as a slush fund to become millionaires. I am sure there are millions of people waiting to hear from you how this can be done. I withhold my opinion until a plan is offered to fund the country amicably.

lilBigPotato · Answer

Sure go back and live in a cave like people did thousands of years ago.

You can always argue about amount of taxes and how they should be used, but saying there should be no income tax is incredibly stupid and seeing 60%+ say yes is just mind-blowing.

Large parts of our modern civilization are built on top of it and you would not be able to afford many of the basic quality of life things you have today.

MuddyMole · Answer

And replaced with what?
I'd certainly support the introduction of a wealth tax, which would allow for a reduction in income tax.
I'd also support different rates of taxation, depending on the source of the income - if you're an investor, making money from property rentals, you should be paying substantially more tax than someone who actually earned the same income, working as a doctor or nurse, for example.

ryanrhino · Answer

Please explain why contributing part of your income for safety services and helping out those in need is sickening. And, how do you expect roads, parks, science, schools to be funded?

If you say sales tax, those with more money don't care about sales tax, but it hurts those with comparably tiny amounts of funding.

If you ever need an emergency or assistance service, I hope you appreciate it, as you helped it be there for you.

andreasderjuengere · Answer

When we look at it closely: your net income is the cash that you expect to use in return of your (useful, or not) attendance time on some job. If now an additional sum is stolen by a government, then actually your employer has to come up with it.

Anonymous · Answer

You are born free and the government doesn't own you or any part of the fruits of your labor. What you make is none of theirs or anyone else's business.

BeechImFabulous · Answer

I've wondered about abolishing the corporate / business tax and raising personal income taxes by 5% or so. Companies can pass on their tax burden via prices, but an individual can't. S/he owes what is owed.

If people don't make enough to actually pay net income tax, then I reckon that an annual civic service requirement would be a fair tradeoff to ensure that everybody contributes. The Inca Empire did this in lieu of monetary tax.

Miristheiss · Answer

What are you proposing? Everything tax wise is based on what you purchase? You pay taxes when you buy stuff? So a person who buys a lot pays a lot of tax but a person who is frugal and spends little doesn't pay much tax?

DrPepper12 · Answer

Taxation is theft? Fucking dumbest thing I ever heard of. Using that same logic you're use of ANY of the important appurtenances of civilization is also theft. Just dumb.

worldscolide · Answer

Income tax and property tax. I bought it, I own it, it's mine, I shouldn't have to pay for the privilege of ownership over and fucking over.

Drumlin2001 · Answer

What replaces it? You can't take away that funding from government without a plan to replace it. Government only has funds received from taxation. So you either cut what government does or fund it another way

fonduegirl · Answer

If you earn a boatload of money, you should probably a small portion away. It's called eating the rich. But for the working class and lower, we should be definitely getting a hike in salary instead

msmissydc · Answer

Even without any tax at all, your employer still owns most of your labor.

Amur8711 · Answer

As well as Property Tax and inheritance tax. We were a nation that the government got its money from terrifs. Now we are approaching 40% tax on average plus state income tax and property tax.

NoDecision · Answer

I think anyone making under $50K a year should not have to pay any. They probably pay more than the rich.

purplepoppy · Answer

They'd just replace it with increased taxes elsewhere, the government will always get it's pound of flesh.

alice55 · Answer

Disagree when people earn more than 99 % of world population they should get taxed on their income.

Anonymous · Answer

You're thinking about what you are asked to pay. You are ignoring why that money is gathered and where it ends up. When there is a non criminal administration.

genericname85 · Answer

It doesn't matter if you pay the tax on your income or when you're paying for shit. At the end of the day, the government is gonna get it's cut, wether you like it or not.

Massageman · Answer

If "no one else owns a portion of (your) labor", how do you expect to acquire essentials of life , ie, food, housing, transportation, medical care, etc?

Kaneki05 · Answer

Go to a country where this already exists then.

Lynx122 · Answer

In my country never but in your country I think it would be a great idea :)

Friendlybro79 · Answer

Disagree. I think we need to fix our tax system and ensure that our money benefits us and not the filthy fucking rich only

thegreenyogi · Answer

I think we can all agree on this one. Lol!

FunkyMonkee · Answer

According to the Constitution, taxes are SUPPOSED to be paid VOLUNTARILY!!

Caughtulookin · Answer

Sure. In my state Washington politicians are trying to get rid of property tax. This also would be nice.

AngryCarl2 · Answer

Huh, you want government services but you don't want to pay for them. Typical American.

Snakeyes7 · Answer

It like (or might just be) slavery. For the percentage of your paycheck that got taken, you involuntarily worked for free.

OfDeath · Answer

Can you pay for roads an hospitals yourself? No, income tax should not be abolished.

captain_voidwalker · Answer

100% agree. Not like government spends the money on anything worthwhile anyway

foxsquirrell · Answer

And how will public services be paid for in your view?

Cice369 · Answer

Not only that, but now with tariffs; we will also eradicate the FED reserve, the IRS. Gold/precious metals will destroy the federal reserve.

IAlwaysBeBack · Answer

Eh, I actually like having a infrastructure.

qwerty2469 · Answer

Government should be abolished

Dargil · Answer

What do you propose to replace it?

beefcakebradybatson · Answer

Nope. How would programs be funded?

Anonymous · Answer

Yes, I believe so.

Anonymous · Answer

Trump has talked about it.

TadBehaya · Answer

I agree.

Redstang88 · Answer

Absolutely

Bunnybuny · Answer

True, it is horrible

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