I'm a man, and I support women's rights without conditions — I'm pro-choice, and I believe women are fully capable and should never be held back in their lives or careers by a society that too often underestimates them. I understand the dangers women face in a way I try never to dismiss: the harassment, the abuse, the calculation they have to run in situations I can walk through without thinking twice. Today at work, a man was going up to cars in our parking lot harassing customers, and those women were obviously and correctly upset — I told them to carry pepper spray, because their safety matters to me and I want them to have a way to protect themselves.
I also understand why, after experiences like that, women say things like "I hate men." I know it comes from real fear and real harm, and I know most violence and harassment does come from men — I won't pretend otherwise. But I'd be lying if I said those statements never sit wrong with me. When a woman today explained the situation to another customer by saying "we're just talking about how men are," it stung, because the generalization itself is the problem. If a statement like that were aimed at a religion, a race, or any other group, it wouldn't be acceptable — and I don't think the answer to being judged unfairly is to judge another whole group unfairly. The men I know would make the right choice: they'd step in, they'd defend a woman, they'd never be the man in that parking lot. The problem was never the male sex as a whole — the problem is the specific men who choose to harass, abuse, and intimidate, and they should be named and dealt with as exactly that. I can stand for women's safety and rights, take the dangers they face seriously, and still believe people should be judged by their own actions — because those two things were never in conflict.
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Nope. At no time in history has any prominent feminist or feminist organization ever supported men’s rights, freedoms and privileges catching up with women’s. At no time in history has any prominent feminist or feminist organization supported women’s responsibilities, accountability and sacrifices catching up to men’s.
Feminism is and always has been a supremacy movement. It has literally never been about equality. So, you can either be about equality or you can be about feminism. They are otherwise mutually exclusive.
"I hate men" is not femininsm, it's a caricature of feminism promulgated by men who feel inadequate in the presence of competent women. So yes, you can support feminism without misandry. I support feminism because it just means equality of opportunity both legally and economically.
Oh, and bodily autonomy. That's suddenly become very important in the US
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That's a loaded question. Because the answer to your question is, "most definitely". Because feminism is 100% about gender EQUALITY. But therein lies the rub. What is pushed today is NOT actual feminism. Most feminists are not actually feninists today and do not want equality. They want dominance on the low end and male subserviance to them on the high end. That is far from EQUALITY.
So yes, you can support feminism while still rejecting "i hate men" generalizations. But expect to get hate from those calling themselves feminists when they tell you you really do not support the movement. You are not the problem. Thier twisted view of feminism is.
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth when you do that.
It's good you're seeing both sides, but you'll ultimately need to come to a conclusion on whether or not you'll give women cart blanche on behavior or not.
The ultimate message you'll come to, is that individuals make choices, and outcomes of those choices should land on the individual, regardless of gender.
Supporting equal rights doesn't mean giving anyone carte blanche for bad behavior. You can support the core goals of feminism while still holding individuals accountable for their generalizations.
You sound like you want to white knight but a few brain cells in your noggin are working correctly
it’s a fair question. Nuance exists.
Yess
Actually, what you are is a simp.
Example please