Why does the soceity hate men?

[Anonymous]

Since several years now, I feel as if the entire society just hates men. The world generally sees men as the cause of most problems.

For example, even if a woman is a hardened criminal, she gets some kind of sympathy from few people who say stuff like "She must have been abused as a child, maybe she is mentally unsound etc". But if a man is a criminal, people attack him with all guns blazing, saying things like "he needs to go to the gallows".

Apart from crime, even with other matters, men are generally looked down upon and discriminated. Most laws favor women, there are special reservations for women (in some countries, at least), they get extra benefits etc.

I'm not at all implying that women shouldn't get benefits. But the strange thing is, most women and even men seem to hate the male population, maybe due to the general assumption that men are insensitive, violent, have no emotions etc. (which aren't always true). In general, its as if the society has developed total hatred towards men.

The way I see it, the only two disadvantages which women have are the inconvenience of periods and the pain of childbirth. Agreed, these two are SEVERE disadvantages which really scare us men and make us wonder how women manage. Still, why should we be hated by the society? What exactly is our fault in this? Is it a crime to be born as a male, in today's world?

Everyone behaves as if the world would be a much better place if a majority of the male population is wiped off from earth. What exactly is the reason for such hatred towards men? Why can't the society realize that all men aren't bad, and there are some really nice men too?

P.S. Please don't assume that I'm posting this question out of frustration, after being rejected by several women. Far from it. This is a very general question, and in no way related to relationship between men and women.

[Analemma]

I'm curious as to what laws you think grossly favor women besides custody (which also goes with the outdated idea that women should always bear the burden of raising kids, and on the flipside it 's pretty socially acceptable for a guy to be completely uninvolved and he's a good person as long as he pays his child support)? I know there are always highlighted cases of women "crying rape" when it didn't happen, which makes people think that a media frenzy showcases typical behavior (think about how much of a blowup there is after any school shooting, which, as terrible as it is that it happens, is far from the biggest problem in our country)... And I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that *the majority* of people sympathize with female criminals? And what degree of crime are we talking about? A much larger percentage of violent criminals are male, BUT the large majority of men are not violent criminals, so it'd be stupid to apply that generalization to men all over, and anyone who does can't be that bright...

For the record, I don't feel specifically disadvantaged because I'm female, except maybe *in relationships* but that's a personal experience issue. I think both genders have a myriad of social pressures, stereotypes, etc., that make us feel pigeonholed or pressured to various degrees. You can find anti-men or anti-women sentiment anywhere. Either way, I would say the man-hatred you see is mostly borne out of fear, and possibly due to experience. Sometimes women make excuses for women and men for men because they feel like they're part of their "team", which I don't understand. If a lady drowns her kids in a tub I might think "Hmm I wonder what the hell is wrong with her that made her do that", but her behavior is in no way representative of me because we both have a vagina, and I have no problem writing her off as a horrible human being. I would do the same for a man in the same situation.

You'd have to really take extensive polls or something to see how much of a bias there is. Some people also just say things because they think it's socially acceptable. I've only known women in physically abusive relationships who, even though they eventually left, mostly blamed themselves, made excuses for the men, and NEVER actually got the guy in trouble for it (because "the police won't do anything"). But that's just people I've known and I can' say that's the majority, just throwing out my two cents. I also know guys with violent gfs will pretty much not do anything because "girls are allowed to hit guys", which is bullshit.

One exception: If you're taking to heart any girl just ranting about hating men, both genders do this when bitter, myself included. I LOVE men but of course I lash out if I feel hurt/rejected; I just usually keep it to myself because I know I"m just upset.

TL;DR People with all kinds of genitalia can be quick to judge, expect, discriminate, etc.

[Analemma]

I wanted to add, that no matter what you're going to be biased towards your own experience. This doesn't mean you're stupid or narrow-minded so please don't think that's my point. I just mean of course you, being you, are going to key in on things that are more likely going to affect you. That's just human nature. I can't tell anyone what it's like to be male, a minority, richer or poorer than me, etc.. If you delve into different attributes you can find loads of different "isms"

[Asker]

Regarding laws - one is definitely the custody law. The other one too, you mentioned yourself. Suppose a woman hits a man 10 times but he hits her back once to defend himself, its him who goes to jail mostly. Then there are the divorce laws. US citizens won't know about it, but in most countries divorce laws almost always favor women. Whether its the woman's fault or a mutual divorce, the man is always supposed to pay alimony/monthly maintenance for her, and also part with half his property.

[Asker]

Also, whenever there are a large number of deaths (due to natural disaster or something else), every new channel separately mentions 'women and children'. Children I can understand, but why women? This certainly gives the impression that men are expendable whereas women are precious.

[Analemma]

Alimony is actually based on income difference, not gender. If the woman makes more than the guy she pays him. Not all divorcees go after alimony but legally that is how it's determined. I disagree with alimony because marriage shouldn't be any combination of finances.

As for the "women and children" thing, it's all bullshit. Every life is a life. I don't see how an 18 year-old dying is "not as bad" as an 8 year-old. Both are terrible! Any non-participant is an innocent...

[Analemma]

Oh, in terms of domestic violence, yes female-on-male violence isn't taken as seriously as it should be but police are horrible at dealing with male-on-female domestic violence as well. There are loads of issues with them not wanting to make arrests if the victim is scared to press charges, etc.. It's a big mess in general. Also, in my state if you succeed in getting a restraining order on an abuser, guess what? YOU have to be present in serving it to them; how backwards is that?

[Asker]

What you describe regarding alimony is true only in the US, and maybe a few other highly developed countries. In the rest of the world, its ALWAYS the man who pays.

[joeblow123]

"YOU have to be present in serving it to them; how backwards is that?"

It seems fair to me. A man should be able to see who is accusing him. Too often restraining orders are issued on a woman's whim alone because the judge is scared to cross the feminist lobby. Asker is right and this is coming from an MRA with 25+ years experience. Women do have advantages men don't. When it is malevolent sexism women protest but when it is benevolent sexism women are silent.

[udolipixie]

Why does the soceity hate men?

I highly doubt society hates men as I don't see it being a common norm to use a derogatory insult interchangeably for the general male population like I see b*tch is used interchangeably for the general female population.

Still, why should we be hated by the society?

Going by my experiences/observations males aren't hated by society. I doubt the gender that is seemingly commonly known as the superior/more logical gender is hated by society.

Why can't the society realize that all men aren't bad, and there are some really nice men too?

Egh I find society generally views most guys as nice the whole all are bad seems to be shifted on gals not guys.

"The world generally sees men as the cause of most problems."

Different perceptions as I find the world generally sees gals as the cause of most problems such as religiously it's Eve's fault humans are out of Paradise. I find the world generally sees guys as the solvers of problems as in they did/invented pretty much everything.

"But if a man is a criminal, people attack him with all guns blazing, saying things like "he needs to go to the gallows"."

Egh I find quite a lot of people support male criminals such as George Sodini being touted and exalted by quite a lot as some poor nice guy and his crimes are the fault of gals rejecting him. Seems like male criminals are supported by many especially if their victims are female as shown by reactions like Stuebenville blaming the gal for getting gang raped and saying she's ruining their lives and possible careers.

"But the strange thing is, most women and even men seem to hate the male population, "

Again different perceptions as I find most gals and guys are quite eager to talk sh*t about gals while saying anything remotely negative about guys no matter how many is seen as man hating. It seems to take quite a lot of extremes for a guy to be called a misogynist yet very little for a gal to be labeled a man hater or feminazi. Feminism being commonly seen as a man hating movement shows to me saying anything remotely negative about guys no matter how many is seen as man hating.

[AdamThomas]

You never heard anybody call anybody a dick then, no?

[udolipixie]

@AdamThomas
I've never heard it being a common norm to use d*ck interchangeably for the general male population.

Nice fail on your part. D*ck is an insult not a commonly used interchangeable term for males. Again it's an insult however it's not commonly used interchangeably for the general male population like b*tch is for gals.

[Asker]

@AdamThomas Its better if everyone here takes whatever udolipixie says with a grain of salt. She does make valid points. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why she comes out all guns blazing when she's in the mood for male-bashing. I have NEVER seen her say that the 'man is right', even in case of questions where it is pretty obvious (not necessarily this question).

[udolipixie]

@Asker
So despite me making valid points because you seemingly project your personal issues onto my answers they should be taken with a grain of salt?

It's not male-bashing just because you've never seen me say 'the man is right'. Male-bashing is hateful negative definitive claims against all/most guys. Which I've never done.

Male-bashing is not disagreeing or not thinking a guy is right. LMFAO @ this.

[joeblow123]

@udolipixie

You are lying feminist scum. The anglosphere is way more misandric than misogynistic. In the US only men are required to sign up for the draft. In the US only female killers are spared the death penalty. Those are two advantages women have over men right there. There are more but I listed two. You're a feminist so I don't expect you to love or care about men so why waste it on you?

[candlewax]

Society doesn't hate men. Society is merely holding men accountable for things that they could get away with in the past.

You also cannot compare crime rates as sociologically, men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women will (specifically, white males).

You will never understand what it is like to be a female because of your male privilege. Guys just feel that society hates them because it no longer allows them to pull crap that's so incredibly wrong now.

I find it even sadder that a lot of men have an issue with this. "We're not allowed to do as we please anymore!! There's accountability involved and it's not fair!!"

Not to say that women are entirely innocent, but the topic is men and society and why they "hate" them.

You know what else is a disadvantage to women? Rape culture. Being objectified. Being used for men's selfish physical and emotional needs. It's not just about periods and child birth. Your view on women explains A LOT why you think men are "hated" in society. You're just another dude who suffers from male privilege. Poor baby!

[joeblow123]

@candlewax

Another overprivileged white girl. That is what you feminists are. Overprivileged pampered spoiled rotten pieces of shit. You are worthless scum. You are the enemy of all men. You are the enemy of all that is decent. You are filth. You are disease.

[Ezkapism]

so lets say your right wouldn't that bring stigma that males are criminals and so the system could get away with convicting innocent young men without evidence theyv done anything wrong becoming another statistic that makes men look worse, were im from woman get away with just about anything so theyr not accounted in the stats, woman can be physically violent but are more likely to be verbally and emotionally abusive, especially to their children which they can easily get away with without any accountability since people dont listen to children even grown up, especially if theirs no father around for whatever reason, probably driven away by the toxic mother but even then a father should still be in their childrens life regardless, yes a serial rapist is more likely to get away with a slap on the wrist while the hard punishments are often reserved for the innocent young males, specifically younger males that have more than half a brain and a big heart who goes against social norms like having long hair and being differant, probably because thoes are the people most likely to be a threat to a tyranical system, since men are more logical and are the spearheads of society that get things done on a societal level and can keep their cool emotionally better and the stigma that has been pushed far beyond reasonable levels on younger males being bad people to help control the people most likely to make positive change in society that doesn't benefit the corperations and lying polaticians, thus if an innocent young male is convicted without any evidence and given unreasonable sentance even or what they aparently done nobody would bat an eye

[washize]

Yeah, I think its sad the way that men are hoarded up and shot down against the wall. *sarcasm*

There are definitely issues that men suffer from that need to be addressed. Such as Male rape.

But to say that society hates men is ridiculous.

Society hates gay people, and minorities. Gay people are murdered for being gay. Aborigines are murdered for being Aborigine. There are laws placed that allow people and organizations to LEGALLY discriminate and abuse gay people and minorities.

Society isn't going around killing men, because they are men. IT is good to identify important issues that men suffer from as a result of sexism. However, saying that the world hates men and men have no rights is idiotic.

[Asker]

Society of course doesn't kill men, but there is a notion that men are expendable whereas women are very precious.

[washize]

Apparently in your world. Women and children don't receive organ donations before men. Women and children aren't seen too first in hospitals. I've never heard or seen a doctor say, "He's a man, his life saving surgery will be put on hold until after we've treated all of the women and children." You are crazy.

[Asker]

I'm sure you might have heard these words - "In case of any disaster, women and children need to be evacuated first, next the disabled, and finally the men".

[washize]

You mean in movies from the 1930s? The DISABLED go first, then everyone else, IF, and only if, you are in a small confined place, such as a plane. I've never heard of a fire fighter leaving men to burn to death because there were women and children in the house. I don't remember anyone instructing women to jump first during 9/11. No one is leaving men to die in order to save women and children first. In emergencies they rescue who they can when they can. You are crazy.

[bDizzie]

What society do you live in that hates gay people and minorities?

[washize]

bDizzie- link

I live in America.

[AdamThomas]

Society isn't going around killing men? Who do you think does the most dying in war?

[washize]

Civilans, which includes the elerdly, men, women, and children. I've seen more corpses of children in syria than men.

[Ezkapism]

so we could say society hates younger males that dont fit into the mainstream, who think for themselves and have a big heart because they are a threat to the tyrnaical system hence the system tries to convince society to hate on thoes kinds of younger males the most through many differnat means, so much hate is pointed as younger males as such that if you look at the opposite side of the spectrum, older females that fit into the box are seen as completaly innocent, but we all know the cases of the murderous grannys and the toxic, spiteful grannys, despite this so many just can't see them as anything other than innocent simply because they arnt threatning being old ladies that are often small and frail, but what lurks in the mind can be far from innocent, my life is proof that younger males are hunted down and systematically broken down and stripped of basic human rights and nobody backs me up, even if you dont like me you should stand up for my basic human rights, something we all have, if the system is breaking its laws and promises on anybody the people should stand up for that because its a slippery slope when the system, authorities are abuisng their powers, unfortunatley too many dont care, both males and females, just everybody doesn't care or assumes you msut have done something wrong to deserve it, like even if that was true their are legal steps to take that should be taken apropriatley not oh its okay for the police to break the law on somebody who is guilty, andwhat if they arnt guilty what if thats just what they claim but they have no good evidence and what they have looks made up but they dont even bother to try make it look convincing because why go through all the trouble of making up evidence that looks legit when nobody gonna question it anyways and they have all the power and nobody can or will stand up to them, not many at least generally speaking

[Ezkapism]

im not against men going that extra mile to protect society, but when woman dont apreciate the sacrafices we make and go out of our way to make their moderaltey easy lifes even easier while we struggle it shows they havnt struggles enough and we need to take a step back and give them the equality they keep asking for which im sure they will not want after the realize they dont get to cherry pick the pros from the cons and 10 fold the pros and dump all the extra cons onto us including their own, if they could dump child birth on us most the feminists would

[Ezkapism]

maybe its because you havnt been to syria and the shock factor of childrens corpses is higher? you watching too much TeleVision, that stuff will rot your brain

[Anonymous]

Feminism was a mixed bag. It did a lot of good for women by making them equal in eyes of society, and, more importantly, in their own minds. But it also did a lot of harm by demonizing men and sending some really ugly messages to men and, more importantly, to boys.

Our school system has been feminized in the sense that is caters to females at the expense of male. There are so many things we should be doing differently to help our boys succeed that at a young age, but we don't do them because they don't generally apply to females, and females are the ones who are always seen as the underdogs in society. Most people are completely unaware of that, but a lot of work has been done to study and understand it. It just hasn't made it into the mainstream yet because society does not care about males the way it does females. It's not politically correct to care about males. It's harmful to the careers of politicians to show any interest whatsoever in males issues. That needs to change.

It's interesting to note the difference between how society views males and females differently when it comes to gender related problems. When girls were underrepresented in the university system, society said "there are problems that are holding females back that must be addressed". Billions of dollars were spent studying and addressing the issue. To this day there are thousands of scholarship opportunities available only to females. But, now that females represent 60% of college students and graduates, do we see any concern about our males? Of course not. It's viewed as a problem with males but not one that society needs to care or do anything about.

Feminism also convinced women that they are always victims and men are always the perps, which of course is not true. We need to change our paradigm to remove gender from our view of good and bad, victims and perps. For example, even though most perpetrators of violent crimes are men, most men are not perpetrators of violent crimes. The truth is the men are victims of violent crimes and even sexual abuse far more often than women. But as a society we see men as the bad guys and women as the victims, which just perpetuates the female victimhood that feminism worked so hard to foster.

[Asker]

Exactly! See, a man speaks the truth, and people downvote him. This is what I meant.

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for your comment and the five star question. We as a society continue to be brainwashed to be blind to the issues and biases males face. It's an issue of attitudes that needs to be addressed, but like most things people are extremely slow to recognize the problem and ultimately do anything about it. It's a huge issue and I appreciate you highlighting it.

[martyfellow]

Nothing new about the truth being downvoted. a lot of fembots see it as their mission to denigrate any guy who speaks up about this issue.

Or any female, for that matter, but while a lot of them recognize the problem, you will rarely see one standing up to their 'sisters.'

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for BA.

[joeblow123]

@Asker

These are narcissistic overprivileged misandric princesses only fit to be bayonet partners.

[joeblow123]

@martyfellow

"Or any female, for that matter, but while a lot of them recognize the problem, you will rarely see one standing up to their 'sisters.'"

That is so profound and accurate it is scary. Excellent summarization. You must be a veteran MRA/MGTOW such as myself. No one else would have caught that.

[Anonymous]

Rockets, trains,planes, automobiles, special theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, antibiotics, theromodynamics, calculus, big bang theory, large hadron collider, standard model of particle physics, nuclear magnetic resonance, agriculture, vaccination, space exploration, brain surgery, supercomputers, quantum computers, internet, robotics, nuclear fusion, astrophysics, evolution, laws of motion, string theory, engineering, lasers, electricity, particle physics, general theory of relativity, quantum electrodynamics, infrastructure, shopping malls, skycrapers, mechanics, smallpox vaccine, artificial intelligence, polio vaccine, atomic theory, supersymmetry, molecular biology, genetics,germ theory, black holes, classical mechanics, time dilation...etc where would the world be without the male mind? Possibly still in caves wiping our asses on leaves and living to a ripe old age of 20. I doubt humanity would be getting rid of its most powerful tool the male mind that deciphers the laws of nature and creates order. We have a lot of negative things about us but the good we do definitly outweighs the bad things about us.

[Asker]

You're right. But the truth is, the world already got all these benefits from men, so men aren't needed anymore.

[Opinion Owner]

new advancements in science and technology are always what is driving the future so we are ridiculously gifted in the areas of scientific reasoning and logic for bringing this to the world. We are needed to progress and to stretch the boundaries of human knoledge. It is built into our genetics to be curious about the universe and the laws of nature and to unravel the mysteries. There is still so much to do. Unless the quantum computer learns too fast and takes over humanity lol.

[Ezkapism]

huh, thats actually scarily true, woman got what they needed from us and now they ready to divorce and take all our money and leave us in a ditch to rot, woman have always sucked up to men for their power which we were okay with but now that they have gotten out of hand and think they dont need us anymore theyr ready to take everything good weve done for themselves and throw us all under a bus, probably keep afew slaves for reproduction and any males born will be used either as slaves, reproduction or if they have enough of that already the big endless pit to decompose, woman can be far more brutal than men if given the opertunity and bring a lot less to the table, we treated them too good and they took it for granted and think thats just how it is and expect nothing less thus the ungreatful attitude and wanting more while victimizing themslelves while becoming worse than the bullies that helped make them that way, their own mothers most the time but the hatred gets put on males because its easier that way so they can feel superior, men are the building blocks of society, we built society, we create and they take

[joeblow123]

"I'm not at all implying that women shouldn't get benefits."

Then you are part of the problem if you believe women should get special benefits.

His message to the opposition:
"Please don't assume that I'm posting this question out of frustration"

My message to the opposition:
Please don't assume that I give a rat's ass about what you think.

The rest is accurate and well written.

Institutional misandry has seeped into all levels of society: cultural, legal and the family unit. The terrorists known as feminists have done to America and the anglosphere what the nazis did to Germany.

[martyfellow]

You will hear this sentiment very generally. The movement toward equality has empowered women who will use their legal advantages to get ahead.

A lot of men are getting left out; for example, traditionally male occupations had better admit women, but try as a guy to get into traditionally female occupations.

You'll face open discrimination, and while that is theoretically as illegal as discriminating against women, the women mostly get away with it in practice.

[Analemma]

What, exactly, are these traditionally male and female occupations that women are monopolizing (statistics?)? And are the women getting the jobs because they are less qualified but female or equally qualified but female? You almost sound like you think that because men were the majority in x job field that it is "theirs", and similarly for women...

[martyfellow]

Teaching, nursing...I've been a teacher. but talk to male nurses, the women will nearly always try to 'get' them, especially if they try to do anything but do the heavy lifting. It's worse there, but most female teachers are openl prejudiced against male teachers...

[Anonymous]

"Everyone behaves as if the world would be a much better place if a majority of the male population is wiped off from earth."

That was the cue for me to not take this post seriously

[martyfellow]

A lot of men feel that way.of course that's an exaggeration, but...it's not like you don't hear that or something similar from a lot of guys these days.

[joeblow123]

@Anonymous

Fine. Be herded into a cattle car to your fate. More worthy men than you will be helped.

[joeblow123]

@martyfellow

It's not much of an exaggeration. If this 20 something has to learn the hard way then fine. I was a 20 something who had to learn the hard way so is he.