
Deserved or not? What do you think about female athletes (WNBA) demanding equal pay to male athletes (NBA)? Is it possible in the future?


Nop thats a stupid demand. Entertainment business is where sports also lie in majorly. Which means, the pay you make is directly connected with the amount of fame and popularity you have among the population.
If you have more viewers, companies will pay big money for their adverts and bid war on it. Thats how primarily games make money, then comes the telecom money side where other adverts are placed and talked about which means even more money.
The more companies involved the more money in circulation of the game. The more money in circulation the more you as players make.
Simply said, you dont have the fame or popularity as that of the male players in the same field to have as much of an impact with your games as they do. So in the end, they end up pooling more people in with their games than you do and hence makes more money per game.
So demanding more money to equal them is stupid cus, if their popularity rises again you'll get more money per game with not enough viewers or pooling of companies which is a loss to those involved.
No why would they take a loss knowingly?
Seems stupid to think that they'll just give out more cash to people whi don't make the same right.
I suggest campaigns and promotes with specific players, YouTube videos abd insta posts and pages of games and stuff. Make more clout and you make more audience, make more audiences and you get more companies involved, more involved means more money and ultimately more pay per player.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay THAT wasn't the question though.
A comparable percentage is absolutely a valid demand and frankly they need better agents/negotiators to break the league-wide ceiling on their wages.
The only way I see that happening is if male athletes' salaries took a huge hit, rather than the other way around. The WNBA brings in a very small fraction as much money as the NBA, and that is by far the biggest factor. If you do that however, what happens to all that money? Probably pocketed by team owners, which would turn into another issue.
The NBA brings in around $8,000,000,000 a year.
The WNBA makes about $60,000,000 annually, which isn't even enough to cover its own costs.
As someone who doesn't watch much sports, I'd watch female sports as much as male. In fact I like female golf over male. The problem is that female leagues are rarely if ever aired live, and never advertised. I'm sure they've tried to increase revenue and failed in the past, but I bet if they regularly air a few leagues they would be surprised by the interest in todays age.. Though they might need to slightly sexualize it like female volleyball
Ty for being the only one to actually go research the numbers. Most of these people talking straight out of their asses
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
The problem is that women don't support the WNBA the same way men support the NBA. The reason that this is true is because most women don't care about sports in general and most men don't care about women's sports. We care more about reality TV and soap operas. Only the tomboys really care about sports, including the WNBA, which they aren't abundant as the more feminine women. Because women aren't really supporting female sports, they don't generate enough revenue. If they can't generate the revenue, then they can't be paid equally. If the NBA does throw the WNBA some bones so that they can pay the female players equally, they would ultimately lose money in the process. Me personally, I definitely am not disrespecting the WNBA in any shape or form and I definitely respect female athletes, but I'm not interested in watching sports that much, especially female basketball.
👍spot on
@Tiffany_Taylor_Made na boo. 75% of the crowd at WNBA games are women. Women's college bball gets more tv time then the WNBA!!! People say we support but they don't give them air time or nothing. [Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
im a guy by the way as in we i was not implying im a women. I should have reread that before i pushed submit
Professional sports is all about fans and the larger that base is the more the players can demand in their paychecks.
Sadly women's sports can't seem to create a base like the men's version's with the exception of sand volleyball where the women are basically naked which gives them a pervy base as well.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
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Firstly I'd like to address that I have never believed athlethes... even top athletes, deserve millions of dollars as they are. Even doctors who serves society by learning a valuable skill over years of knowledge gained in school, somehow make less than someone that is basically useless to society. If you play sports you should do it not because of the potential to make money, but because you love the game.
Going back to the actual question now, I don't understand why women should deserve equal pay. Men are physically more capable in most scenarios, especially when you compare top athletes. We are stronger and faster as a species. You pay someone for what they are capable of in any occupation, no? Who would you rather pay to see: The person who lifts 1000 lbs or the person lifting 900? How about someone running 100 metres in 9.5 seconds or someone running it in 10.5? A 1 second difference in 100m a HUGE difference. If the world worked in the sense that everyone got paid equal no matter their capabilities, then there would be no incentive to be better at anything.
Men are better at some things and women are better at some things. Women going into the sports as a career should go into it for their love of the game and not for the money. If they really wanted money, then go to school for a high paying job or start a business of their own. Everyone needs to come to terms with their own capabilities. I would never try to go professional in sports because I am just average in athleticism. There are people who are naturally more physically coordinated, stronger and faster. It's something that no amount of training can make up for. Am I crying about it? No.
I wish they'd allow minor grammar and spelling edits. Seeing how many mistakes I made with my grammar is making me cringe.
I'll correct is now, just for myself.
"Firstly I'd like to address that I have never believed athlethes... even top athletes, deserve millions of dollars as they are. Even doctors who serve society after learning a valuable skill, studying years in school to acquire that knowledge, somehow make less than someone that is basically useless to society. If you play sports you should do it not because of the potential to make money, but because you love the game.
Going back to the actual question now, I don't understand why women should deserve equal pay. Men are physically more capable in most scenarios, especially when you compare top athletes. We are stronger and faster as a species. You pay someone for what they are capable of in any occupation, no? Who would you rather pay to see: The person who lifts 1000 lbs or the person lifting 900? How about someone running 100 metres in 9.5 seconds or someone running it in 10.5? A 1 second difference in 100m a HUGE difference. If the world worked in the sense that everyone got paid equal no matter their capabilities, then there would be no incentive to be better at anything.
Men are better at some things and women are better at some things. Women going into sports as a career should go into it for their love of the game and not for the money. If they really wanted money, then they should go to school for a high paying job or start a business of their own. Everyone needs to come to terms with their own capabilities. I would never try to go professional in sports because I am just average in athleticism. There are people who are naturally more physically coordinated, stronger and faster. It's something that no amount of training can make up for. Am I crying about it? No."
"... are the stronger and faster sex."***
Entertain is not useless you idiot. That is why they make so much because there is a high demand for it. They deserve the millions they make in the NBA because the business is doing well. Same as Jeff Bezos deserves his billions for Amazon doing well. It is a entertainment business. by the way if were talking about basketball it is mostly about skill. You can be slow and fat like James Harden is still considered top 5 player in the whole nba. It is about skill. Not strength, not quickness. Not saying those thing don't hurt but skill is entertaining and what makes them good. People who love dunking are unathletic people who never played sports but anyway. These women are doing other stuff by the way. Anyway [Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay As soon as anyone comes into a discussion saying "idiot" it shows their maturity level isn't worth addressing.
No. And here's why.
Athletes don't get paid a fixed rate based on the job duties. It's not like you send in a CV and they say "we need xyz athletes and we'll pay [$$$] salary."
Athletes are paid based, roughly speaking, on how many "butts in seats" their performances are able to procure. So of course legends like Kobe Bryant or Mike Tyson in their prime are the biggest earners, because they put the most butts in seats. And fact is, the best of the best marquee athletes are almost always men. Women athletes, 99 times out of 100, need to compete within female-only leagues to be competitive. Of course a female boxer who's at the top of her game could probably knock out an amateur male boxer who can barely throw a hook. But put the best female boxers against the best male boxers, and I know who I'm putting my money on. Hence why the top 1% of male athletes probably make more than the bottom 50% of ALL athletes combined. (I'm pulling that stat out my ass, but it's basically just the pareto principle taken to its logical conclusion). When female boxers start giving Prime Mike Tyson or Prime Floyd Mayweather a run for their money, then they'll be compensated as such for all the butts in seats they'll generate.
Besides, athletes are grossly overpaid anyway, so I really couldn't care about their crocodile tears over wanting more money.
Do they draw the same crowds? If not then no, its that simple. Demand drives the pay, not the other way around. If they demand to be paid equal and they cannot generate the crowds, then they are going to push themselves out of their own industry.
Now one could argue that in order to generate those crowds they should have more money go into advertising their games, this probably won't work (advertising does not generate as much interest as people think), but its a far more reasonable start then saying they should be paid far more money then they generate (imagine you getting paid ten times the money you bring to the company, what will happen? You'll get fired and replaced with some one cheaper, its just a fact of life.).
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay Well we are talking about female athletes not male athletes, one, and the other issue is that women's soccer players actually out earn the men. Probably why they rejected the offer that the men's league had and negotiated another one. If you factor in the guarnetee pay, extra bonuses and all of the added benefits the female soccer players make significantly more money then the men do. So they are not asking for equal pay, what they are asking is that they get all the benefits of their contract and all the benefits (upfront money) of the men's contract. So no, no one is asking for the same, they are asking for more.
It depends on the team. The women’s team that I definitely think should be paid more is the women’s national soccer team. I’m pretty sure they make more money than the men’s team, and they win more often, yet they still get paid less.
The other teams should probably get paid more as well. Not necessarily equal to the men’s teams, if they don’t make as much, but more than they’re making now. Because there is a tendency to pay women less just because they’re women.
And also, at a certain point the argument that they don’t make as much, and that that makes it okay, grows stale as well. How about the companies who run those teams start advertising them as much as they advertise the men’s games? Maybe then it would be a fair comparison. But they don’t.
Men’s and women’s sports are different games, because men’s a women’s bodies are different. To say that a men’s team beat a women’s team is just like saying that a team on steroids beat one that wasn’t. It’s just not impressive.
And if you actually read my answer, the reason that I cited the US national women’s soccer team had nothing to do with aptitude at the sport. I could care less about sports as a whole. I was talking about how much money the team makes. How much money fans are willing to pay. The women’s teams get paid a lower percentage of what other people make of them than do the men’s teams.
If we recognize professional sports as what they are, which is entertainment, skill only matters in so far as people are willing to pay for it. So who cares if women’s team lost a *practice* game to a U-15 boys academy team? The fact of the matter is that the women’s US national soccer team generates more revenue than the men’s team, and yet the athletes get paid less. That is a problem.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay Exactly.
As someone who coaches female (and male) athletes, I'm a big fan of women's athletics, but there simply isn't an economic case for "equal pay". The WNBA season isn't as long and generates only a small fraction of the NBA's revenues. Most WNBA players also play overseas during the WNBA offseason and a more realistic comparison would be to the salaries male basketball players make in Europe or Asia.
Now, if we're talking about similar revenue sharing to the NBA as percentage of league-wide revenues, the case for that is better and there may be scope for improvement there, but the much smaller revenue being spread out among fixed costs that may not be a similar ratio is going to be a problem there as well. The bigger the pie, the greater the opportunity for more revenue sharing.
Ill give you some numbers you probably didn't know:
NBA players split amongst themselves 9% of the total revenue of the league (that's sponsors, ticket sales, tv deal etc...)
WNBA players split 13%. So the reality is women are actually overpaid to play basketball in comparison the only reason the numbers look different is because the WNBA generates significantly less.
So equal pay would either have the men making more or women making less.
The fact is for once crying inequality and calling people misogynistic for disagreeing won't help. Because WNBA players cannot be paid money that doesn't exist.
The only solution is for them to step up there game put on a show worth watching and the audience will grow but as long as WNBA games are less interesting than middle school basketball fans will not rally based on principal alone.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
Instead of demanding the NBA pay more, how about instead getting more women interested in sports?
Hell, why not develop a few games hat involves both NBA and WNBA teams in the same areas that depends on combined score averages, rather than complete separation? Meaning that for every game that Denver plays against Minnesota for example, the WNBA teams of the same do the same and the actual score is the combined average. It doesn't have to count for the actual season, but at least a few exhibition games in order to try to raise viewership, as NBA fans would be a lot more likely to watch WNBA games if it affected their NBA equivalent's standing.
Anything is possible - if there is the framework for it.
What these women don't understand is that sportsmen (yes, men) don't just get that pay check for being men. There are the sponsorships, followings, contracts, deals and everything else that has been built up over decades.
To simply turn up and demand what they are getting, Is not only laughable, but cringeworthy. It's like asking to be paid the same as the CEO because you've worked there for a few weeks.
Sure, the woman's game will build up over time and big followings, fans and sponsorships will come in eventually. But it's not really an equal pay issue as even in the male game, the top 20 males get paid more than nearly all the rest put together.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
This is more of that feministic bullshit that men hate. Women don't get paid equal to men because they don't produce the same results that men do. The NBA generates a large amount of revenue per year, the players are superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY, and if I'm not mistaken, they had to lend money to the WNBA because they weren't drawing in crowds. When the WNBA makes enough money, generates enough interest, develop the same level of skill, they will get paid the same.
Until then, all this means is that they want equal pay on the account of being women. Which makes them very pathetic.
@ripper_e [Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
Equal pay? ridiculous.
First of all they don't have equal skills, not one of them would last a game or score a point in the NBA, and second of all they only have a fraction of the fans and interest and bring in tiny $ compared to the NBA.
No equal pay until the WNBA starts bring in equal money... which will be NEVER.
You should never get "equal pay for equal work." You should only get equal pay for equal RESULTS. Who cares how much work you put into something. It's what you PRODUCE that has the value not how hard you work. You don't produce the value, you shouldn't be paid as much as someone who does.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay
I've never heard of you and have no idea who (you say) you are. But that doesn't matter because the principle is the same no matter who you are. You are comparing apples and oranges. You get what the market will bear. If your value was more than 20%, that's what you would get. I worked in sales jobs in my first career and the more you sold, the higher the percentage commission you would get. That's the way markets work. If you were worth 50%, they would be forced to pay you 50% if they wanted to keep their business going. If you're not, complaining that someone else is worth it so therefore you are too, when you don't have the same market appeal as they do is a nice gimmick to promote your own interests, but makes no economic sense. You are only worth what someone is willing to pay you. If you don't like what you are earning, do something else.
I support equality in mater of wages, however girls in specific sports don't have the audience and sponsors for equal pay.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
As of now, its not possible because women don't draw as much attention as men's basketball. But like all great things, they must start from the beginning. Women's sport is new compared to men's so it will take time and effort for them to even become 1/3 of the men's team in terms of profit. The reason why is because all sport related games are base not on the players but how many people come to see them, what they buy and stuff. So in short till women draw as much attention as men, than they won't get equal pay
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
@TrainingDay Doesn't revenue come from tickets and stuff. Even if you don't want the same amount of money, you still need to have a higher customer rating in order to get anything or do you not realize that if people don't watch your stuff then you don't get revenue
I think it's ridiculous. Their pay is based on revenue. WNBA doesn't have a large following like the NBA and that's mainly due to the fact that majority of women don't watch sports. Men are the largest supporters of sports and prefer to see other male athletes. WNBA is boring. I dont even watch it
Does that means most guys are gay if they rather want to watch sweaty men tacking each other lol
@NorthwestRider no just means you think like a preschooler. No one else thinks like this at least not a normal adult
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
The reason why the athletes in the NBA make more than those in the WNBA.
Is because of ratings. Their genders have nothing to do with why there’s a pay difference.
The NBA makes more revenue, so as a result. The pockets of the organization are deeper and filled with more cash to give to the players. That’s basic economics 101
It would depend.
The money brought in is far less then the Nba so i get why they dont.
But they aren't marketed properly either, as well as too many people see them as a joke, because many males egos doesn't want to believe women can be entertaining in sports.
Tbh i actually prefer watching women's college basketball and the WNBA more than men's. I think they play harder and more entertaining so it's possible but we are not ready as a society yet.
They are all overpaid entertainers. If female basketball doesn't generate as much income as male basketball, why should they earn as much as the male athletes?
Supply and demand. Female tennis players make as much as male players so it’s on the WNBA to increase eyeballs and demand. https://www.insider.com/worlds-ten-highest-earning-tennis-earners-pre-tax-forbes-2020-10#4-naomi-osaka-374m-7
once popularity of the sport rivals that of male players of any sport they will recieve compensation that they seek until then they must focus on their love for the sport they play and in turn inspire the future generations to aspire to fufill that love for the sport.. if its about the money... just marry a rich man.. or expoite what other resources available to you. also remember women are far more capable than mere expoitation.. in ancient times there was as many female deities as males think about that... the force is ultimatly with us all
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
Impossible. And furthermore not even sensible. You could put the 5 greatest WNBA stars of all time on a court against an average mens highschool team and they would lose handidly.
Womens basketball is a disaster, with zero vertical play, slow lateral movement, and low shooting percentages (depsite smaller ball, lower rim, shorter 3pt line). Also the players aren't half as competitive as Ultra-Ego men because thats not in womens nature.
No reason to pretend otherwise, we live in the real world not the fake candyland the libtards pretend exists. Women have great skills at things that they should have, such as organization, and compromising. They are great (and the only ones) who can bear children. God made there bodies for that purpose. Mens bodies are designed for feats of athleticism and work. Embrace your genders role and be happier for it.
[Kelsey Plum] I’m tired of people thinking that us players are asking for the same type of money as NBA players.. we are asking for the same percentage of revenue shared within our CBA. NBA players receive around 50% of shared revenue within their league, whereas we receive around 20%.
Basketball is about skill idiot. Why do you think giannis sucks in the playoffs. NBA 15 years ago didn't shoot how they do now. There are eras dude. Plus the WNBA started in like 97.
In order for WNBA players to be paid equally, the NBA would have to throw them HUGE subsidies from money paid by fans of the NBA. The fact is very few people care about the WNBA, so it raises very little money as a result. Few dollars from fans and few dollars from sponsors. That will always be the case because female sports are simply less interesting than male sports.
The irony in this, like so many other feminist causes, is that these feminist women want men to pay their way. They want men to financially support women. Think about that for a minute. This is today's feminism.
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