How Donald J. Trump Won the Presidential Election

[ManOnFire]

Don’t get me wrong.

I wasn’t rooting for Trump at all. By a long shot. And I’m still not.

But now that it’s all said and done, I can look on things with a clearer eye. Yesterday I was already sensing that Hillary really wouldn’t pull this thing out like we all expected. It even got to the point that I was telling my brother that I already knew Trump was going to win before the polls started closing. Just a bad sense. And it turned out right.

The reason Donald Trump won this thing is because no matter what the rest of us think, a lot of us hated Hillary much more. We took Trump for granted and just tried to write him off early, expecting Hillary to come busting through with big success. And it didn’t happen. Is Trump still a joke? Absolutely, and this nation is gonna go to hell far worse than it did under Bush, especially since not only did Trump win the presidency, but the House stays Republican, and mostly the Senate too. So it’s red all over.

And whether some of us like to think about it or not, Trump actually did win this thing fair and square. Hillary had strings pulled for her to get ahead like she did. Trump didn’t. Nobody even believed in Trump, so it’s not hard to believe he could win fair and square. Hillary has a long history of corruption and ugliness, and that’s what appalled people a lot more than Donald’s cavalier mouthing off.

A stain on the Democratic Party…

For the first time in my life I absolutely have to say shame on the Democratic Party. I’ve always supported them and am registered as one but their corruption in helping Hillary to get ahead makes me shake my head. The Party was all in for her and doing what they could to push her forward. Debbie Wasserman Schultz had to step down as DNC head, and then Donna Brazil for coaching Hillary before the first debate! So at this point the Party that’s always enjoyed having a better image than Republicans has utterly shamed itself with this level of dishonesty, and it will probably face even worse repercussions in years to come, with people not wanting to vote as much for Democrats in future elections.

And we could’ve had Bernie as president. A lot of people and political analysts had to admit that they KNEW Bernie was still the most suitable candidate to defeat Trump, and he would have. But the DNC was putting their weight behind their girl Hillary. Bernie’s record was practically as pure as Obama’s in comparison to Hillary’s dark political past, but the Democratic Party insisted that 2016 would be the year we’d get our first woman president. And it didn’t happen.

A failure…

No doubt, Donald J. Trump is foul and has offended women, but apparently Hillary offends them much more. She’s enjoyed touting a false image of feminism and care for women, yet let a rapist off decades ago when she was a lawyer. Not to mention her husband’s own sex scandals and rapes she’s avoided talking about. Hillary doesn’t care about women. Black people. Or anyone else. She cares about getting to the top so she can do whatever terrible things she had planned.

Not to mention she didn't even come out to concede the same night, but waits allllllllllllll the way until this morning. Even more shameful. When McCain lost to Obama in '08 he conceded rather quickly and gracefully. As did Romney when Obama also beat him in 2012. But Hillary waits all this time? For a woman full of bravada, snarky comebacks, and laughing at her opponents in a jeering way, she showed weakness and ran and hid like we've never seen. Probably up all night at her headquarters fighting and cussing with Bill about how in the hell he let her lose like that. Oh well. Just like they used to fight in the White House in the '90s.

While Trump will no doubt be a failure, maybe Hillary would’ve been a lot more destructive than we really realized. If you believe in the Illuminati (and I do), someone with some frightening knowledge once told me that Hillary has tried to get into the 'shadow government' for many, many years, feeling that she's had to prove herself as a woman, but that they've never accepted her. And if that's true they didn't accept her now. Bill was also involved with the De Molay Masonry as a young man, and even his connections couldn't win her the presidency. Maybe that says something a lot worse about Hillary than we think.

In the meantime, let's just hope Trump only lasts the first 4 years and doesn't do enough damage before the next candidate comes along.

[Righttobeararms83]

Trump getting the Republican nomination, Bernie being cheated out of his shot, the clinton fund, the bullshit polls and the media bias towards Hillary the whole campaign seemed like the whole election was a giant set up to ensure Hillary woild win. Like any other democrat candidate could have beat Trump and any other Republican candidate would have beat Hillary. Its almost like Trump was given the Republican nomination to lose to Hillary. So I do believe there was some sort of election rigging and plot to get Hillary elected for what purpose I don't know.

[Rissyanne]

Democrats.. you did this to yourselves. The American people wanted change. All we would have gotten from Hillary is 4 more years of Obama. I think that was her biggest mistake. She was riding his coat tail.

[Anonymous]

Ultimately, as someone else said, all political careers will end up in failure.

That said ( as I mostly wrote on another thread):

He was never my preference and I'm still fine with that. However, in less than two months, like it or not, he will be the POTUS.

He's won fair and square. I'm was more than a little impressed by the graciousness of his victory speech last-night. If he meant what he said and hopefully he did, I say give him a chance and let's see what happens.

Moreover, he won on a wave of very justifiable anger and resentment (if often expressed in wildly inappropriate ways), which I suspect ultimately stems from the hegemonic domination of this country's (and in varying degrees other countries) political and financial life by neo-liberalism (or in layman's terms, variously known as: Reaganomics, Clintonomics, Thatcherism, Blairism, Supply-side economics) which has dominated the Republican Party since 1977 (and influential from around 1964) and the Democratic Party since 1993 (though it was a significant influence from 1975 onwards). While this sort of politics surely has some real pluses, it definitely has a dark side to it too. Trump deftly capitalized on this anti-establishment resentment and he managed to humiliate both party establishments (which is one thing I like/admire about him).

As for his electoral base, his voters will left stranded on the garden path he's led them to at his earliest convenience.
Why? Well, while neo-liberal economic/trade/fiscal policies will utterly wreck communities (and leave dying, miserable, meth/alcohol/STD/suicide plagued communities in its wake) which we then call "Rust Belts", those same policies actually prove quite lucrative for billionaires like Donald Trump, who will very predictably act in his own self-interest

I suspect that given the gist of Trump's documented pre-2015 political history (a pro-Choice, pro-Marriage Equality, pro-Single Payer healthcare, Democrat and occasional dabbler with the Reform Party) his administration will prove a moderate surprise for both Democrats and moderate Republicans. In other words, it'll very likely prove to be more of the same elitist BS we've been unceasingly subject to since January 1981 and which has continued unabated (albeit with varying nuance) for five Presidencies.

However, let's give the Donald his chance and I do hope that I'm proven wrong!

[hellionthesagereborn]

I would agree with most of what you said but as for him being elitist or acting that way in the presidency I'm not so sure. Not that I am saying he is a great person, he is a blowhard and an asshole but if you look at his history he has basically wanted renown for quite some time (he has literally done everything he can to try and be the biggest thing out their (schools, tv, business even candy's) it might be that this need to prove that worth will possibly push him to act in the best interest of the people (even if its really for himself). For instance Michael moor even pointed this out that he was doing something others politicians didn't, when he was in Michigan he called out the auto industry, he told them that if they whent through with their plan to ship their manufacturing plants to Mexico (these being the back bone industry of the middle class) that he would put a 38% terrif on all products sent back ensuring no one would ever buy them.

[hellionthesagereborn]

When the bail out happened and these same men whent to obama for a hand out, he gave in. So he actually, at least at this point stood up to a group that no one else did. I think that his force of personality might actually be beneficial in this as it will essentially require him to follow through with his threats, I don't think he would be able to resist holding back. I think democrats have done a lot of damage (not that conservatives haven't but I feel conservatives are more prone to sit back and let things deteriorate while democrats have a tendency of breaking things in an attempt to fix them) and maybe trump will break things enough that we can have a chance to put things back together in a better way. Prefferably one where people will be less hostility divided and more prone to talking to each other. But I guess we will see.

[Skeye89]

Ain't that the truth

[G-Daz]

The Lefties and liberals have been the ones with the power and repressive influence on society for over the last decade or so. What it allowed us to do was allow them to project their ideas and concepts into something tangible and visible. It's not just an atheist in the closet anymore, it's an entire group of lefties out there forcing everyone else to believe the same as them and if they don't. SHOUT racist, misogynist everything under the sun until you win the argument as loud as you can.

Under lefty establishment, we have the worst levels of racist, we have identity based politics where wea re seperated into groups. We have the nanny state, we have the removal of pronouns slowly but surely, we have language policing and transgenrs. Not to mention eugenics becoming mainstream.

It was lefties that created both Trump and Hilary and also lefties that helped Trump win the debate. Without lefties oppressing free speach and not allowing balanced discoursse. What we had was the same thing as Brexit. A vocal angry violent minority that owns the media narrative and punishes anyone with different opinios vs a silent majority. The same thing happened with the US election. The vocal minority brought the statistics of how hilary is winning and that there isn't much trump support. Meanwhile the people tired of the same political weak establishment and decadent culture actually rise out of nowhere.

[G-Daz]

Lefties are also threatening to move to Canada which is interesting. One because they haven't and two because they're choosing Canada over Mexico or Even Venezuela

[ameliaadev]

I''m actually not that against Trump anymore to be honest... I am definitely not justifying some of his wrongdoings and his stained mouth... but some of his policies are actually pretty alright. He blamed immigrants for the country's national debt, but it is not 100% false. And by immigrants, I mean ILLEGAL immigrants, because they refuse to pay taxes and they live under goverment aid (such as financial aid, medical aid, food stamps, etc...) which means that the government would need more money for government aid, whereas there are still so many legal citizens of America who truly need the aid. And i know that building up a wall on the border of Mexico and America isn't a good idea, but i do agree that America need to tighten up security around the border to ensure that no illegal immigrants and/or drug dealer can cross through it. And besides, he is a successful businessman, if he really was stupid, i don't think that he'd be as successful as he is, seeing as he literally has Trump Tower and properties scattered all over the world. And about his foul mouth, i do think he needs to better himself (and definitely some of his plans for the country) but i guess that's it. As for Hilary, come on. We all know what she's done to the country when it wss Bill Clinton's administration. And definitely how corrupt she is. To be honest when I watched the first presidential debate, her arguments were good, she kinda sounded like a puppet and it sounded like all lies. And her campaign literally cost her $600 million (give or take), so who knows if she actually did pull some strings, and pay the media to misinterpret Trump's image so he'd look bad and therefore she'd win. Not entirely impossible for me if she really did that. All i'm saying is try to give Trump a chance. Because eventually, no president is perfect. But this is all just merely my personal opinion. Sorry for the lengthy paragraph too lol... and have a nice daaayy✌🏼️

[BrunetteNYC]

Very well said!!

[ameliaadev]

@BrunetteNYC thanks!

[Glue-Sniffer]

I can understand why some people voted for him. Hillary was just so deep into the system that no one could believe she would make any changes when so many people believe that they are in need of change.
I don't believe he could have won with all the things he did and said if he was up against someone like bernie sanders who wanted some reforms and came off as more authentic and was a rather fresh face.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly my point :-)

[BrunetteNYC]

Hillary was a HORRIBLE candidate in a day and age where the people hungered for serious change.

[Glue-Sniffer]

@BrunetteNYC i don't actually believe she was "horrible". She was the more qualified one. She was just too much in the public for the taste of most Americans.

[ginny_weasley]

Congratulations, conservatives the president you just elected has to go to court for raping a thirteen year old on December 13th of this year. I will be counting down the days. And yes we can blame the DNC.

[ProbablyTooMature]

Three facts you got wrong (two quite important). First, the date is December 16th (which, even if you're in a different time zone, you were off by a few days). Second, it was a conference with the judge... not "going to court". Third (and lastly, as it's the end), the lawsuit was dropped.

[Thisperson98]

@ProbablyTooMature they don't like facts.

[ginny_weasley]

@ProbablyTooMature
@Thisperson98
your candidate is accused of raping a girl, and you're worried about the date? Lol. No the trial was set for December. Like a real court room trial, hint lawyers are involved. She dropped the case because she got so many death threats from trump supporters. Yet the same people criticize Hillary for her husbands behavior.

[Thisperson98]

She drumped the case three times. And she never showed the public evidence.

[ginny_weasley]

@Thisperson98 once again, because of death threats. The hypocrisy of republicans never fails to entertain me.

[Thisperson98]

How was she getting death threats? She was anonymous.

[ginny_weasley]

@Thisperson98 she was public for a very short time and trump supporters threatened her life.

[Thisperson98]

She never came out to the public, she always was anonymous. So, her dropping the case three times and being anonymous kinda tells you it is most likely fake.

[ginny_weasley]

@Thisperson98 so I day dreamed her on tv being surrounded by reporters answering questions?

[Thisperson98]

www.theguardian.com/.../donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-13-year-old-cancels-public-event

[ginny_weasley]

@Thisperson98 I'm well aware she canceled every public appearance. That's what I've been trying to tell you and it's because of trump supporters.

[ginny_weasley]

@gyahgaygagyygay what's your point?

[Thisperson98]

How can someone be given death threats if no one knows who she is?

[ProbablyTooMature]

@Thisperson98 I can answer that... they could have just posted them on websites or whatever. "Whoever this girl is should die..." etc. Or direct pointed attacks "I'll wait for her at the courthouse". People are seriously shit.

[Thisperson98]

@ProbablyTooMature so, basically they thought that they could threaten her when she is basically escorted by armed police. Lmao, no one is that stupid. Plus if they posted it on a website they can be tracked and arrested.

[ginny_weasley]

@ProbablyTooMature she was a model at the time. I'm guessing she posted her pictures online and saw the comments.

[ProbablyTooMature]

@Thisperson98 Of course people are that stupid. Lee Harvey Oswald was killed while in police custody. It's not like it's so impossible.

And no, you can't arrest everyone who makes a death threat online.

[ginny_weasley]

@Thisperson98 I've gotten nasty threats online. This site included. The users are still around.

[NonCreativeUsername]

Ahh... once again, another Hillary-Supporter blaming conservatives for the election results. The people spoke, the people of America. Maybe they don't agree with you, but do you blame them? Look at the facts lady, these people have been stepped on for decades and they finally have a voice. Instead of being a voice for the people at the top, be a voice for those that actually need one.

<< I AM A COMPLETELY NEUTRAL "VOTER" >>

[ginny_weasley]

@NonCreativeUsername no, I just letting people know what their candidate is really like. I blame people who didn't vote. But like my dad always says, "if you don't vote, then you have no right to complain."

[NonCreativeUsername]

"Congratulations, c̲o̲n̲s̲e̲r̲v̲a̲t̲i̲v̲e̲s the president y̲o̲u̲ just elected..."

[ginny_weasley]

@NonCreativeUsername well last time I checked, not too many democrats voted for trump, so yes the republicans elected him.

[NonCreativeUsername]

Actually... quite a few did, considering how dirty Clinton is/seems to be...

[Bananaman177]

At least Trump's GOING to court to fight the charges, Bill Clinton never went to court for the dozens of women he raped, gee, how does that work?

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1478793180161.jpg

[ginny_weasley]

@Bananaman177 this isn't about Clinton. This is about trump.

[Bananaman177]

You think he did it?

[ginny_weasley]

@Bananaman177 considering that when people accuse other of rape, 98% of the time, they're right. Plus the fact that he jokes about sexually assaulting women, I wouldn't doubt it.

[Thisperson98]

Do you have a source for that? or is that just made up?

[Bananaman177]

That 98% statistic has been debunked, and Trump never joked about "sexually assaulting" anybody, he was talking about what women LET him do, that's consent. If you've never seen how certain women act around billionaires, suffice it to say, he's not talking about going up to random women, these women get all dressed up and come to him. That's why the idea of Trump raping little girls is a bit ridiculous, he can afford any woman he wants and have them delivered in five minutes, anywhere. Women throw themselves at Trump. Hillary is the one who's been implicated in child sex trafficking. Trump was never accused of any of this until he started looking like he might beat Hillary.

[NonCreativeUsername]

What the fuck. Joking about and sexually harassing a woman are two different fucking things. Listen, the guy was running for President, what, like a few months before? Why the fuck would he have the clean title a politician is supposed to have when he's been a fucking business man his entire life. If you want to slander his campaign, slander his CAMPAIGN.

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[ginny_weasley]

@NonCreativeUsername try to imagine if obama said the same thing. Conservatives wouldn't shut up about it. Of course, obama is far too classy for that.

[NonCreativeUsername]

What do you mean? That never happened. Why did you switch from future to past tense?

[ginny_weasley]

@NonCreativeUsername my god. You couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel. You see the key word was "imagine." I never said that Obama said that, again he's way too classy for that. What I said was IMAGINE if obama said that.

[NonCreativeUsername]

Yea I honestly don't think they would do anything or do as much as the liberals did. Considering a lot of the Democratic Party is surrounding minority groups... Republicans aren't so they aren't as concerned for political correctness.

[steven7890789]

These guys are too dumb to realize most people who rape do it for power and control not for sex. Also, they seem to forget that he said on audio, that he kisses women without waiting. Which is extremely wrong. I do believe he did rape that 13 year old girl.

[Thisperson98]

@steven7890789 that lawsuit was dismissed three times.

[NonCreativeUsername]

@steven7890789 *Calls someone dumb and continues by stating opinion*

[steven7890789]

@Thisperson98 it was dismissed because she is afraid for her life since Trump supporters are threatening her.

[NonCreativeUsername]

@steven7890789 So now Hillary is the one receiving threats? Bruh cmon. The actual person who is accusing him of repeated (emphasize) rape dropped it, and she was only asking 75,000 for repeated accusations which is not really anything at all. And plus, it doesn't help her case that she just dropped her press conference to even explain her situation.

[steven7890789]

@NonCreativeUsername I never said Hillary was getting threats, the victim of the rape was getting threatened, she said how she was getting threatened and she explained that she didn't show up the news conference because she got threatened.

[Thisperson98]

@steven7890789 there is something called the witness protection program...

[steven7890789]

@Thisperson98 she probably thought she was going to get killed anyways someway or she didn't know about that program.

[Thisperson98]

@steven7890789 everyone knows about that program. And they are very good at protecting people.

[NonCreativeUsername]

@steven7890789 Oh yea, sorry I misread your post, my b haha

[Kiran04]

Donald Trump won because the DNC chose the only candidate in the world who would have lost to him, and they had to rig the contest to do it. All the whining liberal babies are mad that Hillary didn't win, but where were they when the DNC was rigging the primaries? Oh, that's right, nowhere to be seen. Now that an actual fair election didn't go their way, they're all uppidity. Sit down, buttercups. You had your chance. Now gracefully accept your bitch slap.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Not enough people supported Hillary even though she had a fighting chance! Now if you excuse me I will now prepare for a World War III and The Hunger Games! Hopefully those who voted for him will see their mistake and regret their decision. I could leave the country but that's just running away from the problem it's probably better I and everyone else who agrees with me stand together and face Trump's wroth united as one!
Also I personally don't think Obama was that bad of a president and George Bush was the real one who messed up.
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And there's this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeftie7axUs

[JudgmentDay]

Agreed, this was an election became about moreso whom someone would vote AGAINST than to vote for.

The problems with both major political parties' candidates are that they are both very controversial and have scandals, and dirt. BUT that is something that Bernie lacked compared to Hillary and Trump!

If he had became the nominee instead of Hillary, Bernie would have had the "voting against the candidate you don't like, trust, etc." situation tilting in his favor.

In the end I ended up voting against both major political parties and opted just vote for a 3rd party since the 3rd party I vote for don't have the save controversies or scandals, despite I knew that they won't win.

But now it won't matter anymore, and I was already to accept whatever the outcome of the election is as I really didn't give a fuck anymore.

[BrunetteNYC]

It's nice to see a more honest assessment of how/why Hillary lost for a change - thank you for being smart and showing independent thinking.

I was, back in 2008, a Hillary supporter, but this time around, I voted Trump. It seems since becoming Sec'y of State, Hillary's made several poor choices and brought in too much baggage as a candidate.

Her campaign had NO real message - plus she ran a dirty campaign. I lost all respect for this woman.

[jacquesvol]

Blabla
1. the DNC computers were hacked by Russians
2. Sanders supporters supported Trump's campaign when Sanders didn't make it
3. Hillary still got the most votes but 19th century laws made to keep the Sudists in the USA give the South more voice and thus more votes in the election.
4. a number of DEM men couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman.
5. The FBI played a mean game in favor of the Super Duper Trumpster.
The mails on that laptop could have been compared in a few hours, before making a public statement.
They first made an incomplete statement, then dropped an old empty file about Bill Clinton.
Then they waited a week before admitting their 'trove' was empty. During that week, advance voting continued.

[Spelling95]

That's what happens when you call me a sexist, racist, homophobe for not really liking Clinton. You can take that shit and stuff it with a Trump vote for me. Probably millions thought the same. That's how Trump won.

[TheFlak38]

You said one of the most important truth's in the Failure section.

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a32727-a-message-to-liberals-my-thoughts-on-d-trump-s-election-victory

[BubbleQueen]

Eh.. good for him I guess.

I wasn't really voting for either one, but I'm kinda glad he made it.

[MrMysteryMan]

THIS is exactly what happened. You can't fool the American people, no matter how stupid or ignorant or closed minded you think some of them are. You can't hide shit very well because it stinks up the joint. And Hillary was shitting all over the place and not trying to clean it up.

[SarahsSummer]

Maybe the government will actually get something accomplished for the American people this time around instead of just cross isle bickering and govt shutdowns. Wanting him to fail is like saying you want America to fail. That's not good for anyone. Dem or republican.

[NJ_Casanova]

Easy... people are sick of the how things have been going under the democratic party for the last 8 years.

Hilary is a liar and a puppet for big interest groups. She lied under oath just like her cheating husband. While Trump's Ego is so big... No one will tell him what to do.

We need the president to focus on us... and democrats are always too focused on other countries and being PC.

[BrileyCat]

Donald won because he ran against Hillary . Even I could have beaten Hillary

[front2back]

He also won because:
(1.) Hillary and her supporters over estimated how many minorities were actually going to come to the polls and vote for her.
(2.) Everyone underestimated what support a populist candidate like Trump could get in rural areas.

[John_Doesnt]

Electoral college. It's that simple. Hilary won the majority vote by a landslide, but the electoral college will always screw over minorities because the red states are mostly white.

[Saoirse_Nua]

Very true take - The civil war in Democrat party has to be postponed and the campaign for 2020 starts today