Did Trump Think He Would Win?

[Red_Arrow]

When Trump began his bid for the presidency, he called just about everybody names throughout the primary. He sounded more like a playground bully than a candidate for America's highest office. And when he won the primary, he continued the name calling and bullying.

He continued the fight to win the election. But now his Trump Tower was the center of a no-fly zone and the tower was blockaded by heavy loaded dump trucks and police. It was a disruption to New Yorkers trying to go about their business, especially those who had space inside the tower. Then he won the election and told us that his wife and son will stay in New York until the end of the school year. His wife tells us, though, that she does not want to move to DC at all. She intends to continue living in New York. There still has to be a staff for the White House living quarters, and now a similar staff for New York. Of course, there is a huge security detail in DC. And now there is another in New York. And also duplication of vehicles and equipment. And the no-fly zone continues. Did they not discuss this at all before going for the White House?

And what of First Lady duties? The "First Lady" apparently will not be in the White House to greet visiting dignitaries and give them customary tours of the White House. For that matter, Trump will likely take a lot of time off from DC to be in New York. A lot! Maybe we should just sell the White House and use the money to protect the president running around New York.

We will have a whole new "White House"!

All this lack of planning. Did he really think he would win?

[Saoirse_Nua]

I will probably get "Incoming" for this but I think you hit the nail on the head - Trump campaign never thought they would win until about 11pm on election night and they looked at the rally rhetoric (1500 binders) and then the policy binder, a blank page - The SNL sketch from last Saturday night summed it up perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwaKH0kNyY

[Red_Arrow]

I missed that episode. Glad you posted it here. It does seem to sum a lot of it up. :-)

[BrileyCat]

Trump doesn't know what he thinks until after he says something.
Then he changes his mind after someone tells him to.
Nobody knows what Trump thinks.
He will have his cuckoo-loony cabinet and advisors do the thinking for him.
For the next 4 years he will be a thinkless President.
That's something the people should think about!

[Red_Arrow]

Within a few months we will see what is happening. We may not know who came up with the ideas, but we will know who enacted them. And we will begin to see what having him as president will do to our country. Some will change their minds, one way or the other. Some will still believe what they thought before. The only thing we can be sure about is that around half of the country (or more) will be unhappy about this presidency.

[BrileyCat]

I'll go along with that.
But look at what his candidacy and his election has already done to the country in the last 1 1/2 years.

[Elarra]

I think he believed he would win. I just think he didn't think it'd be such a time consuming job. And now he's going back on all these promises he made.

[Red_Arrow]

If he believed he would win, then what do you make of all those promises. Did he think he could keep them? Or was he just saying whatever he figured would get him elected?

[Tycwep]

People criticize every president and seem to think they can do a better job. Now that he actually has the job I think he is realizing it is a lot harder than he thought and he will have a Republican Congress so his job should be easier than Obama's.

[Elarra]

I think he was just saying whatever would get him elected, which is what every non-Trump supporter was trying to tell the people who voted for him and they all just thought we were idiots.

Well, jokes on them, now.

[sjoes006]

I have to wonder. I think he wanted to win and that was it. He didn't think about what you happen if he won. He just wanted to win. Now we've got another GW situation on our hands in more ways than one. He didn't win the majority and he doesn't know how to or actually want to do the job.

Sure he's had fun show ponying around the people he beat infront of him making them beg for jobs. That's his dream. He will simply be a figure head and who is actually about to run this country is just now taking hold. God I actually pray for Mitt to get a seat at the table or anyone reasonable.

Shit even Perry might be a hope at this point. Trump's appointments are troubling. I don't care that he has now tipped his hat at the fact climate change exists. His appointment of Eco Czar shows what he plans to do to the Paris Agreement.

We are all just going to have to hold our breadth and wait for 2 years and then two more until the adults and the room can sort out whatever damage he manages to do. I'm counting on The West to float us until then. Canada- do what you must.

[sjoes006]

This is why no country wants to do business with of US of A.

www.google.com/.../trump-looking-at-quickest-way-to-quit-paris-climate-agreement-says-report%3F0p19G%3De

If you can't stand by your word it means nothing. There needs to be a Consitutional agreement against shit like this ever hapleneing again. It's too important and to US is too unstable to leave it on the shoulders of one person.

[Red_Arrow]

This is so very true. We can't command respect or be a great country if other countries cannot trust us.

[castratedwhiteguy]

You'd better hope that Trump gets us out of that climate treaty or else our way of life will be over. Obama signed us onto that climate fraud without support from Congress so Trump can pull us out of it just as easily. You need to get your facts straight...

[Red_Arrow]

@castratedwhiteguy -You are the one who needs to get his facts straight, If Trump gets us out of that climate treaty, it will not be our way of life that will have the problem, but the lives of our descendants will be over.

[castratedwhiteguy]

That's junk science and you know it! I'm sure that you've heard of the 2009 Climategate emails where these climate scientists admitted that they rigged the climate data. You need to wise up! Have you ever heard of United Nations "Agenda 21"? If not, then you'd better Google it - like right now! I'll never understand why you lefties are so gullible! You people actually act like you enjoy being robbed and lied to. What's wrong with you people anyway? Believe me! There's nothing in this climate scam for you except a shitload of new taxes and financial misery! Why do you idiots hate humanity so much?

[sjoes006]

@castratedwhiteguy it's the one thing the whole world can agree on and cooperate on. Scientists are trained skeptics that's how the scientific method works.

You can't just hear what a couple of unqualified people say and govwith it. who is more likely to be to be pedaling and agenda? I few actors with personal interest of countries that hate each other but have all come to the same conclusion based on independent research each country compiled that has very consistent conclusions.

There is very little to lose by accepting it and everything to lose if you are wrong. It's a classic Pascal's Wager paradigm.

[Red_Arrow]

@castratedwhiteguy - Yes I have heard of it. "When a selection of emails between climate scientists were published on the internet, a few suggestive quotes were seized upon by many claiming global warming was all just a conspiracy." A few taken out of context.
"n February 2011, the Department of Commerce Inspector General conducted an independent review of the emails and found "no evidence in the CRU emails that NOAA inappropriately manipulated data"" NO EVIDENCE IT WAS MANIPULATED!
"In August 2011, the National Science Foundation concluded "Finding no research misconduct or other matter raised by the various regulations and laws discussed above, this case is closed"." NO RESEARCH MISCONDUCT.
And I have never understood why people like you claim your own junk science and quote sources that actually prove what you are tying to disprove. You really need to wise up!
www.skepticalscience.com/...-CRU-emails-hacked.htm

[Red_Arrow]

As for UN Agenda 21, it stresses that evidence has shown problems in our eco sustainability and we need to research it deeper and find solutions.
"Cooperate in research to develop methodologies and identify threshold levels of atmospheric pollutants, as well as atmospheric levels of greenhouse gas concentrations, that would cause dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system and the environment as a whole, and the associated rates of change that would not allow ecosystems to adapt naturally"

Again you shot yourself in the foot.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Right now China is, by far, the biggest polluter on the planet. So why don't they have to make any carbon emissions cuts in this deal? I'll tell you why. Because it's a scam. The multinational corporations have all moved to China. The big money is trying to drive up energy costs in western countries so that we can never compete with China! Wake up! Don't be so gullible! It's all about the money, and that's all it's ever been about! You say we have nothing to lose? I beg to differ! We have plenty to lose. Google "Agenda 21" or check it out on Youtube. This info will absolutely turn your head around... In fact, don't even bother! Here it is! Educate yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZzSEOgbAaA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwfir3jh1V4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMeXSlGJZYc

If you need more truthful info then you can visit my blog here:

https://worldcrisisnewswatch.blogspot.com/

[Red_Arrow]

@castratedwhiteguy - China is the biggest polluter. Because they are the most populous and have been relying on fossil fuels more heavily that others. Yet your question, "So why don't they have to make any carbon emissions cuts in this deal?" was simply to distract from truth. Because they already have cut coal use three years in a row and "On the 3 September 2016, China ratified the Paris Agreement, and it has policies in place to reach its NDC goals."

As for Agenda 21, I already pointed out that it defeats your arguments. And these videos are propaganda that misstates the purposes and methods of Agenda 21 If someone wants the truth about it, google it and read it. Don't look at the propaganda that purports to tell you about it, but lies. And your blog is one of the worst of the fake science mouthpieces.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Oh come on! There's no way you could have watched those videos and checked out my blog thoroughly enough to come to any conclusions. I just made that post less than 2 hours ago.

Where do you get your information? From the Sunday comics. Do you have any idea how many whistle blowers have exposed Agenda 21? I've probably done more research on Agenda 21 over the last 7 years than you'll ever do, including reading the UN's own writings. It sure looks like global government and forced poverty to me. My blog tells the truth but you just don't want to believe it. You shouldn't have started a My Take about fake news if you intended to push an agenda of fake news...

[Red_Arrow]

@castratedwhiteguy - one does not have to spend hours going over post so full of BS in order to smell how bad they reek. And to see how they restate already debunked ideas as their basis. I am done conversing with someone who not only will not look at the facts, but does not have the critical thinking ability to make good decisions for himself, let alone convince anyone else.

[redeyemindtricks]

You're reaching more than a bit here dude. How much time have previous presidents (and/or their wives) spent on Martha's Vineyard or similar locations?
Yeah...

Also, you are probably overestimating the amount of time that Presidents and First Ladies spend together, anyway.
It's not as severe as the President and Vice President (who are strictly forbidden to ever fly together, for instance -- this is why there are Air Force One and Air Force Two)... but, the President and his wife routinely spend time physically separated from each other. It's not a new thing.

I mean... If you have to reach THIS far for grounds on which to criticize Trump, then, honestly, you should be glad you don't have more substantive worries about him. 👌

[Red_Arrow]

I don;t know how much time previous presidents have spent on Martha's Vineyard, and I doubt if you do, either.

And I am not overestimating the amount of time that Presidents and First Ladies spend together. But they did not have to fly to New York at the end of every week away from them. Spending this much time apart WILL be a new thing.

This was a take on how much thought he had given to the circumstances of winning. If you want to hear the more substantive worries about him I can write you a book.

[redeyemindtricks]

Look, I hear ya, but the First Lady's main body of work has everything to do with the places she GOES, and essentially nothing to do with where she puts her head down at night.

[Fathoms77]

Hard to say what he really thought.

I do find it funny that this supposedly "misogynistic and racist" man has already asked for two women and a black guy to hold critical positions in his cabinet. Ben Carson should've been Attorney General but at least he'll be head of Housing and Urban Development. I have a lot of respect for that guy, as does the "racist" Trump.

[Fathoms77]

Crap, I meant Surgeon General. :P

[SovereignessofVamps]

He did have many, many insults for all the different groups and hinted at sexual stuff with his own kids.

[Red_Arrow]

I admit that his choices are raising questions. Many are suggesting he tapped Carson (who once said he would never accept a position in Trump's administration) because he is black and the title includes the word "urban". Interestingly, Carson is opposed to some rules in place to lessen segregation in communities and may kill them.
But what comes down with his appointments remains to be seen.

[Fathoms77]

No, what many are suggesting is basically, anything deemed good with Trump's presidency won't be his doing; i. e, his advisors are to thank or he did it accidentally, and anything bad will be entirely his fault. :P

The mere fact that liberals can find something wrong with Carson's appointment, as if it's anything so adolescently stupid as Trump appointing him head of HUD because he's black, all but proves the aforementioned theory.

[Red_Arrow]

His own people admitte4d many times to reigning him in during the campaign. Plus he kept changing positions. And now much of what he is saying is a turn-around from other things he promised. Anyone who does not believe that his many advisors, including his family, are influencing his policies, is not thinking clearly.

[Fathoms77]

That's just an excuse to believe the ridiculous theory I just offered, which is that any positive things from this presidency will be attributed to the people around Trump, and any negative things will be caused directly by Trump.

And anyone who believes THAT is far too biased and illogical to be taken seriously.

[Red_Arrow]

We will see.

[TuMeManques]

I think he thought he would win. I do agree with some of the logistical problems you've brought up. Although Michelle Obama had a HUGE staff abd went on extravagant trips often. And Obama takes tons of time off so I doubt Trump will be much worse in that sense.

[Red_Arrow]

If you doubt Trump will do worse, check out the proposed cost of his planned inauguration. Well beyond either of Obama's. And donated from corporate buddies. So much for "draining the swamp". Michelle had a huge staff and extravagant trips as part of her functioning as First Lady, meeting with foreign dignitaries, assisting in the promotion of programs to improve life for others. Trump;s wife will run up the bills just by existing and will likely do nothing as First Lady, based on what she has said.

[SovereignessofVamps]

How much time has Obama taken off? I had thought you had to stay in the white house.

[Red_Arrow]

@SovereignessofVamps - Presidents do not have to stay in the White House. In fact, their duties often take them far away, such as to foreign countries for meetings. But they also can take vacations. Every time a president takes a vacation, someone with opposing views makes a big deal and claims they are taking more time off than they do. In fact, a bit ago Obama had to travel to Florida on official business. Flights, security, etc. costs a lot. While there he got to pay a round of golf with Tiger Woods. he's detractors added up all the costs of the trip (mostly business) and claimed millions were spent to play a round of golf. Presidents get vacations, but do not believe the bullshit about the amount of time and money on those trips.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@Red_Arrow Makes sense and thank you! I do hope Trump can live where he wants though.

[ginny_weasley]

Everyone was surprised. Especially him. When he found out he won, his face just says, "oh fuck. What happens now?" He also is surprised that he can't work from home or one of his resorts because that counts as a vacation. He was also surprised to find out he has to hire 4,000 people ASAP. He just assumed he got Obamas people. I wish he got obamas people. He keeps hiring religitards that will make life for an atheist like me, hell.

[Red_Arrow]

One point I disagree with you on is that I am sure he never intended to keep on the people from Obama's terms. He made it very clear that he would get rid of them immediately. That was part of his "draining the swamp" plan. Of course, that also included not having contributors and lobbyists as his advisors. Then he immediately hired those people. I note that some lobbyists are dropping their registration as lobbyists, but that is still what they are. And then he puts people in charge of departments they want to get rid of. In 2011, then governor of Texas, Rick Perry, who was a candidate for the presidency promised he would abolish three federal agencies: commerce, education and a third that he could not remember, which turned out to be the energy department. Trump is now considering him for the head of that department which oversees America;s nuclear stockpile. Not and agency to do away with.

[ginny_weasley]

I got from the news can't remember which one though. He's not draining the swamp. McConnell and Ryan are the swamp.

[Red_Arrow]

lol. Unfortunately they are only part of the swamp.

[Stuckintime]

Rick Perry would make a great manager at McDonald's.

[JRICHARDS1996]

I think he knew that his chance of winning was greater than the media would lead the populace to believe, but that unlike Hillary, he was stealthy about it. The Democrat's undoing this past election was their own pompous arrogance. They underestimated Trump, playing exactly into his plan. As for the Trump Tower thing, that concerns me as well. In the end, I think Ivanka will move into the White House. There is no way a First Lady can get away with that.

[Red_Arrow]

Two points. First, Trump's wife will probably "get away" with a lot. Second, Ivanka is his daughter. His wife is Melania.

[rjroy3]

I think he believed in himself. There's believing and there's knowing. I'm sure he got discouraged at some point considering the odds he faced. But I think he always had faith in himself and believed he would win. He was interviewed on the very subject. Stated that if the people overwhelming didn't want him and he stood no chance, then he would drop out instead of staying in the race like Jeb did.

[Red_Arrow]

I never heard that one. But you have to admit that many, many times he told us he would not accept the results of the election unless he won.

[rjroy3]

His words were "we'll see". He never said he wouldn't accept the results. It was left open-ended. So that was an assumption by others. He never said that.

Now at a rally he joked and said, "I'll accept the results of the election... if I win ". So you can extrapolate what he meant, but at no point in time did he say that.

[rjroy3]

The news media blasted that statement all over the place tho.

[Red_Arrow]

After promoting a conspiracy theory that the election was rigged, he was asked at the final debate if he would concede the election if he lost on November 8th. His response was, "I will look at it at the time." That was seen by both sides as a refusal to pledge to accept the results of the election.
By the way, about rigged elections, Trump was the one encouraging voters to vote more than once, supposedly to be sure there vote was counted. And at least one woman took him up on that and got caught voting a second time.

[rjroy3]

" That was seen by both sides as a refusal to pledge to accept the results of the election."

It doesn't matter that it was seen that way. That's still an assumption

[Anonymous]

Yes.. People who took him literally underestimated him. He talked like a kinder gardener and even now he made literal, LITERAL theater drama" to redirected attention from the court settlement and most people fell for it, including a lot of people in this thread and including suppose intellectuals like Sam Harris and Bill Maher.

Mexico, Russia and a good portion of everyone who voted for him knew he was marketing himself and even tried explaining it. He's not a billionaire for nothing, he's a master manipulator.

[Jersey2]

He said many times that if he did not win it would be an incredible waste of time and money. He also reiterated that he was in it to win. He spent a huge amount of time campaigning tirelessly and especially in the last month. He was all over the place. People who don't expect to win don't put that extreme effort in. Of course he was in it to win, why would he want to lose and be humiliated. He was all over the rust belt securing it. He said we will win those states, and he did!

[SovereignessofVamps]

Waste how? He could have kept his donations... he could have made business deals for the campaining. In fact, he used his free social media for a lot of it and got millions of views that way.

[Jersey2]

@SovereignessofVamps what would he do with donations. They guy has more than enough money. He also used a LOT of his own money. His properties and brand name took a hit. He was in it to win. He lives to win. And he did it again.

[SovereignessofVamps]

Or he was in it to make business deals. He obviously loves making more and more money, or else why would he be billionaire?

[Jersey2]

@SovereignessofVamps personally, I think he just like working, being successful and making a difference. He sure took the long way around if it is what you say. I think he genuinly sees a country in trouble. His interviews from years, and decades ago, show him with an interest in running if he felt the country needed it. He is for real to me.

[Red_Arrow]

His properties and brand name did NOT take a hit. Various sources showed they are up. And that is probably most of the reason he stayed in.
@SovereignessofVamps

[SovereignessofVamps]

@Red_Arrow Exactly, his popularity skyrocketed.

[Jersey2]

They are up now but it wasn't too long ago that people wanted to have the Trump name off of their building, which he obliged. I bet they regret that now as indeed it will help property values.

[Red_Arrow]

No, I think they still want it off their buildings. There are cases where association with Trump hurts people. But overall, it has helped his business and brand the whole time.

[Jersey2]

As I understand it, his name was to come off as part of the original agreement, he just accelerated it. He is entering his last phase at life and has been wildly successful. I simply do not believe that he is doing it for those reasons. He could have ruined his brand if he lost and he did seem to be a long shot from the beginning.

[martyfellow]

Yes, just like he blustered and glad handed his way with Daddy's help to business success, without much of a plan, he thought he would win, banking on Hilary's unpopularity rather than any ideas or policies he could put forward.

And he was right, though just barely.

[G-Daz]

I think Trump won only because of an overwhelming amount of votes. If it were closer, i believe hilary would have tried to rig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7yIPuA7zCU

[Red_Arrow]

I have heard the BS about rigging the elections way too often! That was something that some groups believe about every candidate that Trump capitalized on and convinced his sheep that it was true, because he thought he would lose. And I did not look at your video simply because I have already seen way too many lies from that fake news group shown on his shirt.

[TayTay21]

No, Trump spent almost two years of his life and millions of dollars running for an office he didn't think he'd win :rolls eyes:

[Red_Arrow]

Actually a good chance of that. Many millions is just chump change to him, and even if he lost, it would boost his brand and increase his income. Look how many "promises" he has dropped or changes since he won.

[Blitzkrieger]

Lol.
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[Anonymous]

Don't insult Melania about not moving. She's not moving because of Barron. Okay? If you're a doctor or a medical student (as I am) then it's very obvious why she's keeping Barron as hidden as possible. So don't insult a poor child like him or even think that the inconvenience of some snobs compares to the pain she faces.

[Red_Arrow]

I did not insult the child at all. For that matter, I did not insult Melania. I asked if she and "The Don" ever included where she and Barron would live in their considerations. And if she expects the child to go out the door for the rest of Trump's term, he will likely face much worse public inspection than he would at the White House. And the duties of the president AND the First Lady are important to the government of the USA and expecting them to be fulfilled does not make Americans snobs (like someone throwing out that they are a medical student). Americans have a right to expect the First Family to be the First Family. And that Americans should not be spending possibly as much as a million a day so she can have a separate residence.

[Opinion Owner]

Who said the first lady has to be his wife? Ivanka can fill all the duties of a first lady.
I threw out I was a medical student because I was giving my argument credibility. And as for being a snob being a doctor is the most selfless job out there. Hours are put in the hospital to save peoples' lives. That's real heroism.
And it won't cost a million dollars a day (please no need to link some dumb liberal source that's trying to put as much negativeness into Trump as possible).

[SovereignessofVamps]

Why's she keeping him hidden?

[Opinion Owner]

@SovereignessofVamps He is autistic.

[Red_Arrow]

Being a doctor is often selfless, though there are millions of doctors in it for the money only who do very little life saving. (Look at the rich plastic surgeons.) But in any case, I was not denigrating doctors, but someone tossing in that they are a medical student (long way from doctor).
And various groups and individuals have estimated the costs, and some of those individuals are cops who know how much overtime they and their fellow officers are making. But then, give you a fact and you would just ignore it and label it liberal.

[Red_Arrow]

By the way, Ivanka is already pretty busy using the office of the president to sell her personal lines of products.

[Opinion Owner]

She isn't using the office to sell her products...
Honestly you don't sound mature I would've expected someone of your age to be more mature.
Oh wait you're 69 years old... damn I'm stupid you're just some 12 year old who hasn't passed puberty yet who thinks 69 is funny smh 😂

[SovereignessofVamps]

Oh! I didn't know. I don't think he's wrong though. Why wouldn't she use her dad's fame to sell her products? Anyone would.

[Red_Arrow]

Ivanka accompanied her dad on a 60 Minutes interview, wearing one of her products, a gold and diamond bracelet that she sells for $10,800. On the following Monday, "her company sent an email to fashion writers promoting the bracelet, mentioning its appearance on “60 Minutes” and showing a photo from the interview."
cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/.../...elet-2016-11-15.jpg
And that certainly was not her first time.
twitter.com/.../756492146484580352
And I would have expected someone your age to have half an idea what she was talking about before claiming something that is false and well documented.
And my age is correct. I don;t hide it, or who I am, as you "Pink Anon" does.

[Thisperson98]

You understand that Obama has took many vacations right? Also remember Trump is not being paid to be the president.

[Red_Arrow]

Every president has taken many vacations. But most of them, Obama included, have combined business trips with vacation time to better use the time and expenses. Add Trumps vacation times up later and we will see. Also toss in all his visiting home time which will not be "vacation time".
And Trump is already capitalizing on his win with increased profits from his holdings, and has made it clear he will use the office to further his businesses (and profits). He has probably already made more from his businesses due to winning the election than Obama made as president over his whole two terms.

[xRoyalBluex]

This sounds almost like jealousy or bitterness

Any fool knows you can't follow through on every promise. And considering Trump is not even a politician, it's expected he has to adjust to the subtle nuances of the political role. Obviously there is a learning curve here and an adjustment process. The candidates outline what they would like to accomplish during the campaigns not sign a contract saying it's signed sealed and stamped. Getting a little ahead of ourselves here?

No wonder some of us are completely lost. We can't even get this part right

[Jager66]

Lol.. what lack of planning? Seems like this is less about planning and more about you not liking Trump regardless of pretty much anything. Just be honest no need for a scapegoat idea.

I think he was probably a bit surprised, how could you not be after being elected POTUS? Especially after the 24/7 media narrative that was total bullshit.

[Anonymous]

If he didn't Hillary certainly did, in fact democrats chose her over the guy who had 6X her lead in the polls V Trump. Gotta LOVE that logic, hopefully they learn from this for next time, but I doubt it:

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[Red_Arrow]

You picked a Bernie ad claiming results of one limited poll as your authority. For a better comparison I suggest you look at presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/.../Bernie-Sanders-vs-Hillary-Clinton
Also, Bernie was an Independent, but declared himself a Democrat to run in the Democratic race. After losing the primary, he immediately declared himself and Independent again. And he entered into the fray too late to pick up needed support. He was behind in most polls. And many did not trust his changing party stances, and that was proven to be a good worry as he immediately switched after the primary. If he had "come to the party earlier", he would have stood a much better chance of winning the primary.
But none of this touches on the topic of this myTake.

[Opinion Owner]

Funny how accurate this poll turned out though. And the only polls he was behind was in some democrat only polls where Hillary's Wall St. money had bought tons of advertising. Although technically an Independant, he Caucused with the dems, and was their best shot at, at least keeping the Presidency after losing both Houses of Congress. Not to mention he polled far better with Independents and moderates, you know people who actually decide the election, as they vote for the best candidate, not because they have a little "d" next to their name.

For instance in those pesky swing states Clinton lost like Michigan (Sanders +43 among independents) Iowa (+44 among Independents) Ohio (+33 among independents) Pennsylvania (+46 among independents) North Carolina (+25 among independents) Wisconsin (+44 among independents) Missouri (+34 among independents).

This also supports the general polls like the one I posted, as well a map of what could have been, if the dems had used their brain.

[Opinion Owner]

fivethirtyeight.com/.../

https://www.270towin.com/

[Red_Arrow]

Thank you for supporting my view. Your first link showed Sanders ahead in polls of Sanders supporters. But it showed the polls for Democrats had Clinton strongly in the lead. And your second link showed nothing about Sanders.

[Opinion Owner]

Ah I see you are just tolling, and badly, goodbye.

[helloitsmethere]

I doubt he expected to win. Did you see his face when he won?

[Jamesol1]

Everyone around him was clapping and he looked in disbelief.

[helloitsmethere]

@Jamesol1 ikr... he was probably like, "well what the fuck do i do now?"

[Red_Arrow]

helloitsmethere you are probably right on! :-)