I seen that. They are quick to make accusations about anyone vilifying them as sexist, racist, antisemitic, islamaphobic, homophobic etc to silence them and the views of anyone else who dare disagree. Its Like when Millo came to speak at Berkley, he was a Nazi, a racist, an antisemite, a homophobe
Sorry liberalism and progressivism have been changed
I don't really identify as anything, I hate labels. But I fit closely to social liberal.
I will add you to the list for when the purge is introduced
It actually started as a hoax. I agree that the spectrum is extremely diverse, unfortunately the loudest ones are coming across as fools (for lack of a better term), which gives all liberals a bad name.
@OldDad which is no different from any other political sector. There are some pretty foolish loud people on the conservative side as well. The original poster is deliberately looking for the most outlandish statements, but he’d probably be the first to cry foul if I lumped him in with neo Nazis
Lol, Neo Nazis are a socialist faction. I understand though. The pendulum swings both ways. The extreme conservative example are the preppers, and the war mongerers.
@OldDad I disagree despite having the word socialism in the name most scholars agree that they reject the primary aims of socialism. Yes they wanted to get rid of the class system but they wanted to replace it with a racial system not one built on an egalitarian system. You can't build a system based on White Supremacy and claim it's liberal or left. But semantics aside we agree.
No he's right they are socialists. There are a whole lot of different socialists from national socialist to socialist nationalists, communists to Christian socialists.Let's be honest the "scholars" you are talking about are left wing professors revising history because national socialism doesn't lend itself well to socialism/communism when they are indoctrinating kids.
No I'm talking about well respected scholars of history of varying political ideologies. Again you can not call a system based on white supremacy socialist. I can put an add on my boat calling it a corvette but that doesn't make it a corvette. Calling themselves the Nationalist Socialist Party was an attempt at rebranding themselves as being for the workers. It was a marketing ploy. Their policies and ideology do not reflect socialism in any form. And this is coming from someone who can admit that full on socialism works only works on paper. A healthy society uses both socialist and capitalist policies.
Nationalist Socialists were the workers party formed by workers and ex ww1 soldiers like Hitler. Like communists they were against the free market, supported land reform, the nationalization of industries, was anti democracy.The biggest difference was the Nazis racial ideology and class. The communists believed in no class and that competition was unfair whereas the Nazis believed competition and struggle to bring out the best in people.
Competition and struggle bringing out the best in people is principal belief in right-wing ideology. That is also the main principle in capitalism.
Again you can't believe in white supremacism and be seen as left.
Right wing socialists can believe in white supremacy
People are working, yes, at lower wages with little benefits. Trump said he was going to fix healthcare with his conservative majority. Instead they broke it some more by cutting parts of it and tried to eliminate it totally for the most poor Americans who need it the most in those very states that voted for him. It is very sad. Trump is actually making his voters life worse in the long run. I think they are finally seeing through the lying smoke screen. haha
Not true I see people everywhere going back to work
Yes, you are right. The number of jobs has increased. However, people are back to work earning lower wages and less benefits than before jobs were lost in the rust belt. Just go to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio to see it first hand where they are still hurting and placed their hopes on Trump with their vote for change. It appears raising the trade tax and cutting back the health insurance for the poor is now hurting those same people that was promised to get help. The economy is leaving the poor and lower middle class behind which is a huge problem in America. This problem is going to take years to correct and is very complex.
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I think they like calling people Nazis.
I'm not right wing. Im conservative.
@WhitePanther88 how do you see a difference between conservative and right-wing?
@RockStarBob conservatives are in the centre.
not in Europe they aren't and in the usa its the right or the far right... there is no centre or left
Yeah but in Europe the democrats and most liberals are on the right. The only party in the US that could be considered left wing is the green party.
liberals are centre and socialists on the left but the term liberal in the satates is more likely to mean what we term socialist... you need to do a little more research i think
No sir. You are thinking of "Conservative Democrat" or Centrist; however, as a general term of understanding, used alone, the word conservative is indeed synonymous with "right-wing" when in reference to the political spectrum.Bill Clinton and his husband Hillary are conservative Democrats, as is Obama, and it doesn't look like you identify very closely with them at all. Nevertheless, conservative does not necessarily equate you with the likes of Pence, Sessions, Mueller, Hitler, or Stalin. (As for Trump, he's been all TF over the spectrum, and has no clear ideology or agenda except to undo anything Obama accomplished.)
@RockStarBob i still dont agree but i do conceed that you spelled concervative with a little c.
interesting chart and discussion but now the trumpanzees seem to be getting out of bed so im hitting mute as i prefer sensible debate to their agenda of hate... see you later ;)
@WhitePanther88; The triangle is the problem here. In the U. S. the whole thing is on a sliding scale to the far left you have Communists\Socialist (those who want government to run their lives) and the far Right there are the Capitalists, Constitutionalists, those that believe in less government control. They want governed the way the laws were written.Then there are the Moderates. They see both sides and tend to have beliefs on both sides, moderates can lean slightly to the left or right.
Calling someone a trumpanzee is racist as its racist to refer to anyoyone as a monkey, gorilla, ape, chimp or an orangutan.
It's funny how progressives, liberals, leftists, and socialists, have the belief that being conservative is bad. If they want the government to control their lives, they are free to move to another country.
It's funny, @OldDad how conservatives such as yourself are all for the Constitution and Rule of Law until some people left of your beliefs want to make changes according to that rule of law that doesn't coincide with your own core of beliefs. Then you tell them to move. Why don't YOU get up and move instead, since you obviously don't agree with the system the Founding Fathers laid out? 🤨 That's actually the fairer and more viable solution. You could leave and go start your own country where you can make the rules however you see fit.
I actually do believe in the system that was laid out. I'm not for those who work around it. Plus, there is no other country that I can have my rights and freedoms. I'm just saying that those who want the government to run their lives, it's easy to find somewhere else. I'm not conservative, Im a Constitutionalist. I'm not a trumpanzee, I don't always agree with him. Ted Cruz was actually my pick. As far as Bernie and Hillary go, the DNC made the choice really easy.
Then let that system work for itself. I'm glad to see that view from you. But you end up doing yourself a disservice when you repeat that line about let them live somewhere else. The fact of the matter is that our political system, especially for electing presidents, is woefully broken. How can we have a true constitutional democratic republic when we somehow keep winding up with the voting majority outvoted? And if the majority of folks want social and political reform, it's hard to argue against it. It's even hard to argue against socialist ideals sometimes now that we see so many programs that benefit society, such as the interstate highway system, police forces, fire departments, even the military... Let alone the needs of a nationalized healthcare system such as the ones in Canada, the UK, Denmark, etc.!
He's half-white... Lol
@OldDad that's true, raised by white people in white culture which he then rejected when he went college. All in his book.
Then found it again when he went into politics...
@OldDad And half-black too...
But he did nothing for his brotheren, Unemployment ran rampant. All he did was incite hatred and divide.
@spunkygiraffe- yes this can get deep. Rageathon? Not too sure... but what is it your so confused about?
this is true but dont you think its odd that its always people on the right that highlight such things... i mean i guess you would term me as a liberal and it never would have occured to me
@wankiam I’m not sure if I’m more left or right leaning, but yeah. It’s weird that anybody would highlight such a thing. The ‘p’ is so clearly an ‘o’ whoever came up with this is seriously looking too deep into pointless things that have no hidden meaning.
@wankiam what’s weird is how liberals like you deny deny deny when in fact they are the ones dreaming up this fucked up shit. The right finds you and your ilk repugnant- and so do I.
@Girther10 nah... all you do is see things as black and white without a reasonable skill of debate or discussion... seen you before remember
@wankiam nah, I just call out assholes like you whenever I come across them. Lol
Can’t we all just get along here? People are always going to have different views than us. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with them, but it also doesn’t mean everyone who have different opinions are bad people.
@wankiam The reason conservatives point this out is the nature of what conservatism is and liberal progressivism is. Conservatives generally want things to stay the same compared to how things used to be. Progressives generally seek to change things because things can always be improved or better. So Conservatives would be happy just sitting on the top step and the progressives come along and push to move down a step. Ok fine. But progressives by their nature will then push to move down another step. And so on and so on. There is no end goal of progressivism. There is no magic stop point like we accomplished everything. So as long as somebody thinks something crazy, we know we are going to get pushed down another step and we just want to sit on the top, like we were in the first place. So yeah, when you got some crazies on your side conservatives need to call that out asap in the hopes of getting those people to shut up and if they are so crazy y'all lefties shut them down too mission a
Didn't the Nazis do that with their famous gesture
The Nazi gesture was a form of salute, and it barely belonged to anyone when they started using it. We all forget that members of the Alt Right actually saluted with that gesture saying "Heil Trump" at a few rallies, possibly many more.