You forgot how sodium fluoride is in our water and our toothpaste, it’s a extremely toxic mineral compound that can cause serious bone issues known as Skeletal fluorosis.Check out which countries have rejected water fluoridation...https://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/countries.pdf
Yes and Trump also DID NOT say to inject yourself with bleach. Anyone who read the transcript knows this, even the far left politifact had to concede:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../As for his "light inside the body" he was refering to an experimental treatment at Cedars Sainai where they insert an LED into the esophagus emitting UVA lights in order to kill viruses.apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b
I know this , you know this but , you have a lot of idiot out there
Licking public toilets challenge? Please don’t tell me people are actually doing this 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Sadly they are, and a lot have contracted Corona virus thanks to it 😩😒
Wish I'd have read this a few minutes ago... Fuck.
@Levin it started from airplane toilet,🤣
I don’t have guts to lick a brand new toilet in a box, and here people are licking public toilet, Gross
It is the media perpetuating this lie, anyone who reads the transcript will see this. Even the Left leaning politifact had to admit:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
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And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning.
Nice copy-and-paste! “that’s something you said you were testing, right?” He was wrong, they weren't, because it would kill close to 100% of the people taking the "cure". It was never even a possibility that it would work, any more than putting soapy water in people's lungs for 20 seconds would, although it kills the virus on the hands.
Copy and paste is generally how quotes work, I'm not sure how else you'd do it. I see him suggesting the possibility of injecting disinfectant. You can see it however you like.
@iimJay Not you, the idiot! He's just repeating what he's said on other questions.
@iimJay "And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning" Yes, that's a *question* my friend."I see him suggesting the possibility of injecting disinfectant."Okay, even if you interpret it that way, why is that wrong?You can ask the question, get shot down and the doctor will offer the right information. He didn't tell anyone to inject anything. The guy who is not a doctor asked a doctor about something medically ignorant and now he is informed. That's the whole point of having the advisors around, and it turns out there are medically appropriate ways of getting it in the body. I have no idea if it will be a main treatment for COVID, but it turns out it's a reasonable question to ask.The media's leap to "Trump tell you to inject Lysol" is obvious fake news. Lysol even felt they needed to make a statement about it and that's ridiculous. The media decided to run with *injecting name brand bleach* instead of just doing honest reporting.@goaded"because it would kill close to 100% of the people taking the "cure"."He doesn't need to be right, you ask questions about potential answers, and yes there is the potential for it to work. Did you not read the part about H2O2 nebulization?"He's just repeating what he's said on other questions."That's true. It's basically the same question and I didn't care to write up something new. It should all be relevant though. Surely you've noticed the same questions get asked over and over again on g@g. When you tend to write walls of text like I do, copypasta can work a treat.
What do you think would happen to someone who shot down that particular "idea" with the firmness that it requires (e. g. "No, that's a terrible idea, it will almost certainly kill the patient, it could never make them better!")?Do you think you would ever see them again providing fact based information to the public? There's a good chance they'd be removed from their position and unable to do their jobs.As a result, they have to tip-toe around the president and hope that nobody takes him seriously. Unfortunately a remarkably high proportion of the population still do."I have no idea if it will be a main treatment for COVID, but it turns out it's a reasonable question to ask."Not really. Especially not when you're POTUS, addressing the whole country and people are looking to you for guidance."Did you not read the part about H2O2 nebulization?"It's a surface disinfection mechanism, like bleach.When they tried it on chickens, it made them sicker.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26307441
@goaded "No, that's a terrible idea, it will almost certainly kill the patient, it could never make them better!"How about you let the doctor decide what the “firmness required” is? If you have no idea whether there’s a way to get these virus killing chemicals to the virus then just be quiet.“Do you think you would ever see them again providing fact based information to the public?”That’s *your* assessment of the necessary firmness. So, if they said that I would hope they don’t provide information to the public because their response was excessive and unwarranted. Patients ask their doctors retarded questions all the time. You’re not some moron just for asking a question to a doctor when you don’t have a medical degree. So if you snap at someone like that then *you* are the asshole in that situation.“Not really.”Yes, really. It’s a “here’s what we’re looking into” type of discussion. At worst you can say he spoke of the cuff and asked a question which wasn’t fruitful in a briefing, and he should have just asked in a private meeting at some point. But the whole “inject bleach” outrage is nonsense.“It's a surface disinfection mechanism, like bleach.”Keep googling.People use diluted H2O2 in a nebulizer to treat asthma and some other lung issues. Again, it don’t know if it’s got any merit for COVID, it seems like a bit of a health fad thing, not necessarily effective. But the point is some doctors are having their patients breath this shit. So, if someone hears that it hurts COVID and then asks if we can get that in the body, even if that’s a totally useless idea, it’s just regular medical ignorance.
You can say he should have had the conversation in a more private setting, but whatever, that’s just nit-picking, and I don’t really care about the ad lib chaff he spouts between the wheat, often it’s funny, like shit-talking reporters. If you want to nit-pick because you don’t like the guy, then whatever, fine, but what really gets my goat is this “recommendation of injecting bleach” nonsense. The media running that narrative is at best obtuse, at worst it’s malignant disingenuous partisanship. This stuff makes people hate the media and turn to Trump in the election. They make is so hard to criticise the guy when honest people are forced to defend him from an insane media. None of this nonsense they go on about is real policy stuff. If you want to say bad things about him, you should be focusing on his environmental policy or weapons deal with Saudi. This lie that is this “recommendations of injecting bleach” narrative is a waste of attention and breath, but here I am having to defend the orange man because Trump-deranged psychos will pounce on literally anything he does....Chickens and E-coli? Come now, you can do better than that.
"Chickens and E-coli? Come now, you can do better than that."Not really, it's the only completed clinical trial I could find of nebulised hydrogen peroxide. There's one that was due to start on humans last year, but it wouldn't have produced results until 2021. Find me something better, if you can.People do ask their doctors stupid questions, but usually in private, almost never in front of an entire country. And the patient usually isn't in a position to destroy the doctor's career.How would you have phrased it? "Never as a treatment!"?It's not like there aren't dozens of real medical doctors explaining why it's a terrible idea to have disinfectants in your body. And, while some people have been trying H2O2 internally, it's only at a fraction of the concentration used to disinfect things, and, like you say, probably useless.Disinfectants aren't "virus killing chemicals", they're "life killing chemicals"; there is no way to target them at "bad" cells."Then I see the *disinfectant* knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by *injection* inside or almost a cleaning?"Why didn't he already know this stuff? Why are so many people defending a president who comes before them so woefully unprepared? Just let the experts run the briefings, for goodness' sake!
@goaded “Find me something better, if you can.”No, because you’re the only one that thinks it’s even relevant.“almost never in front of an entire country”If your qualm is that it said it in the wrong time and place then you can say that, whatever. That’s not the same as this lie of “he recommended injecting bleach”, which is the only part I care about.“How would you have phrased it? "Never as a treatment!"?”Assuming I had a medical degree and my understanding was that there was nothing like that, then probably the harshest thing I would say is “As far as I understand, there’s no way to use that in a treatment.” But I don’t’ know if it wouldn’t work as a treatment personally and neither do 99% of people, so I don’t believe it’s even appropriate to talk about what should have been said when we don’t know any better.“dozens of real medical doctors explaining why it's a terrible idea to have disinfectants in your body.”Well no shit regular disinfectants would be an issue, but the question is, is there some technological or medical magic that can make something like that work, and that’s not a question people seem to be answering.“Disinfectants aren't "virus killing chemicals", they're "life killing chemicals"; there is no way to target them at "bad" cells.”Man, better scrap chemotherapy then."Then I see the *disinfectant* knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by *injection* inside or almost a cleaning?"And where did he tell you to do anything, let alone inject disinfectant?
“Why didn't he already know this stuff?”Oh please, you don’t know this stuff either.“Why are so many people defending a president who comes before them so woefully unprepared?”Because for one thing, the attack it’s insanely disproportional.Secondly, bringing a team of medical doctors and also being totally comfortable turning to them for medical advice, is all the preparedness needed.“Just let the experts run the briefings, for goodness' sake!”Again, if that’s your qualm then run with that, but don’t spoon-feed people this “Trump recommends injecting bleach” nonsense.
You brought up nebulised h2o2, but it seems there's never been a clinical trial that showed it helped, and the one on chickens showed the opposite. The best you can say is some people have tried it and it didn't kill them (you probably won't hear much from the others)."I don’t’ know if it wouldn’t work as a treatment personally and neither do 99% of people... I don’t believe it’s even appropriate to talk about what should have been said when we don’t know any better."Anyone who's done simple biology or chemistry knows what disinfectants do, they chemically break up living cells and viruses. Anybody who reads the label on a bottle of disinfectant knows better.If you want me to say he didn't recommend people should inject themselves with bleach, fine, he didn't. What he did was put the idea into people's heads, which was reckless and dangerous. Again. And you want to defend his bringing up the possibility by saying 99% of people don't know that it wouldn't work? Well, aren't you more likely to try something if you don't know it wouldn't work?As for chemotherapy, the drugs target certain aspects of cells' reproduction, which cancer cells do a lot more of than normal cells. The chemicals don't kill all cells indiscriminately."“Why didn't he already know this stuff?”Oh please, you don’t know this stuff either."Yes, I *do*, even without a team to experts, because I can read and understand things. Don't you think your president should be able to do that, too?
“You brought up nebulised h2o2, but it seems there's never been a clinical trial that showed it helped”I did, but whether it really helps isn’t really relevant right now.“Anyone who's done simple biology or chemistry knows what disinfectants do”That right there is some dunning-kruger arrogance. The truth is that anyone who’s done simple biology or chemistry, who knows what disinfectants generally do, think they know better than everyone else. People used to think curving spacetime was nonsense and everything had to be strictly either a wave or a particle. One of the most egregious examples was people thinking that washing hands when handling bodies was bullshit, and the guy that suggested it was ridiculed and ultimately died in an insane asylum never having been validated, iirc. I’ve taken chemistry and biology classes, and I wouldn’t think to ask the question, but that doesn’t mean I’m know best. And all that aside, asking a question you think is dumb is a different criticism that what is making the rounds.“What he did was put the idea into people's heads”No, you are the one assuming it’s in their heads. That’s you having a low opinion of others. Saying “don’t inject yourself with bleach” can be said to be putting the idea in their heads as well, perhaps even more that just asking a question as to whether it could be feasible as he did. So, I don’t think that’s a wise argument to try to run with.“Well, aren't you more likely to try something if you don't know it wouldn't work?”No. Obviously not. That’s much more common sense that knowing about disinfectant.
“chemotherapy”Okay, it think you’re missing the metaphor. The point is there could be something that hurts the virus more than it hurts you. Like any drug with severe side effects. But you also seem hung up on it being some kind of the shelf disinfectant. If anything were to come of it, it would be some specialized treatment that makes use of the same mechanisms in order to treat COVID, not shooting up Lysol.“Yes, I *do*”Do you have a medical degree or experience in a medical field that would allow you to know this is not possible? Because if not then that’s just you knowing a little and thinking you know as much as the government doctors he’s speaking with, and if you do then yes 99% of people don’t know what you know.“Don't you think your president should be able to do that, too?”I he seems to be able to ask an outside the box question, it’s like you’re assuming that he doesn’t know what disinfectant normally does. Maybe he literally does know everything you do, and he acknowledged the possibility that there might be something worth exploring, or just asking about, even if he thought it was low percentage, and decided to pose the question to the doctors just to see what they say. Do you have any reason to exclude that possibility other than a preconception that he is a buffoon?
"Maybe he literally does know everything you do, and he acknowledged the possibility that there might be something worth exploring, or just asking about, even if he thought it was low percentage, and decided to pose the question to the doctors just to see what they say. Do you have any reason to exclude that possibility other than a preconception that he is a buffoon?"A preconception is an "opinion formed before obtaining adequate evidence, especially as the result of bias or prejudice."Not a preconception, then, because there's plenty of evidence.I exclude the possibility because anyone not showing obvious signs of Dunning-Kruger would be able to recognise that any suggestion made by anyone other than the world-renowned experts in the room, each with decades of experience in dealing with viruses, is unlikely to be helpful. Need I remind you, he also suggested bright light and heat as a treatment? People are opaque.
“Not a preconception, then, because there's plenty of evidence.”It’s a given that people who hold a believe feel they’ve seen plenty of evidence for their satisfaction.…You can just say no.“unlikely to be helpful.”Still irrelevant. But is that what we are reduced to now? It’s just “unhelpful”? Cool. A very cutting criticism, he’ll feel that one for sure. Okay, now let’s get back to policy and the substantive issues that really matter.“Need I remind you, he also suggested bright light and heat as a treatment?”No. I assumed you weren’t talking about it because you recognised that that one is even more obviously reasonable (at least to me). It was overtaken by antibiotics, but with diseases being more resistant to drugs these days, it might make a comeback. But now that you mention it, the line accompanying that bleach thing often goes like “Trump suggests tanning and injecting bleach to treat COVID”, yeah that shit gets my goat too. It just amazes me that MSM “journalists” will talk shit over this, who presumably have less knowledge than myself, given my modest science background. I know these retards slamming Trump over “tanning” are full of shit, so why would I take their word for it when they say the same stuff about the disinfectant? I know more about light than I do disinfectant, but with H2O2 specifically, I know it reacts to make oxygen and water, I know how it breaks cell membranes. It seems a legitimate question to me. I assume the main issue is delivery method and it being too difficult to target the virus, but I’m interested to know about that. So when Trump asks stuff like that, I’m actually listening with an open-mind. It doesn’t mean I’m going to be looking for bottle of bleach and syringe, but it really does amaze me about the average Joe and Josephine will speak authoritatively about shit they know nothing about, and it seems like for no other reason than they think they found another chance to take a shot at the bad orange man.
I then proceeded to show the evidence.“unlikely to be helpful.” was the politest way I could put it, "f'ing stupid" was a close second.It's possible that H2O2 might make a difference, but, like with homeopathy, there's almost certainly a reason there hasn't been a proper clinical trial of it for decades after it was proposed. That reason would be that it almost certainly doesn't work (and the former made chickens sicker).A Republican organisation has released an advertisement...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtrgih0PsI
"f'ing stupid" was a close second.”We get it, you don’t like the guy, you think he’s stupid.Cool. Same response.“It's possible that H2O2 might make a difference…” Stop you there. Again, I don’t care if it’s effective or not that’s beside the point. The problem is biases spurring leaps of logic and egregious violations of the principle of charity in the media.Talk of H2O2 nebulization *for treatment of COVID* was already circulating weeks before Trump said this thing.…Putting his words to silly music doesn’t change what’s happened for me, sorry. I’m not sure why I’m supposed to care that it’s Republicans, but yes, Never-Trumpers are a thing. So that was a pointless video and at this point you’re just telling me that you’re sour on the guy as if it’s news. You’re out of ammo, we’re done here. See you on the next one. Peace.
Let me just make one thing clear, I don’t like the guy, and I think he’s stupid because of what he says, how he behaves, and what he does (or doesn't) do, not because of anything tribal. A Democratic president who refused to learn from the previous administration or read around the subject he's talking about would receive the same amount of scorn around the world.
Let’s say your right, and he meant not the disinfectant, but some other organic substance. Well one, if there was an organic substance out there that could do that, don’t you think we would have found it by now? I mean if this is what Trump was saying, he definitely wouldn’t have been the first to have thought of something like this. If this is the suggestion he made, it wasn’t very remarkable, and I’m sure that if there was an organic substance that could do that we would have found it. Unless he’s talking about making a vaccine from a substance like this, then ok he made a suggestion. But why is it then, that when he was asked to clarify himself about the statement he made, that instead of explaining that he meant what your saying (that they should use an organic substance of some sort to kill the virus) and not what everybody else interpreted it as (directly injecting disinfectant) he just said his comment was sarcastic?If what your saying is true then Trump should have explained this, instead of just saying his comment was sarcastic.
Right. He suggested injecting disinfectant. And you're defending him.
I’m not defending him. I’m saying that if your right, he shouldn’t have said his comment was sarcastic.
@Louis_White I don't understand what he's saying in the first place. His sentences don't end on the same topic they started on.
@Twalli thank you
Trust me, in no way am I trying to defend him. I’m just saying. He is a little slow, his cabinet probably doesn’t even keep him in the loop of anything that’s going on. So that’s something that he was wondering. If he thinks he thought of something that others didn’t, which I’m sure he did, it’s trump. However, I’ll give him a little more common sense to know that doing that isn’t safe. But he can say literally anything and get away with it for now.
:D :D :D :D A Trumpee. Don't bend yourself into a pretzel defending President Cheeto.
When someone outright lies and fabricates what the president allegedly did, it's not "bending yourself into a pretzel" but when someone explains why that person is wrong, then it's "bending yourself in a pretzel." Anyone who agrees with you has merit, anyone who doesn't is invalid, right?
Any American who defends President Disinfectant on this one, or excuses it, really does need to check themselves.President Trump has been consistent in his disdain for science and for expertise. He has made ridiculous suggestions for unmerited drugs and pushed those views. Now he publicly suggested to his medical advisors they check out using UV light inside a person and injecting disinfectant. The advisors are advisors. They give advice. They are not babysitters. Advisors tell the elected official what works, and suggest what works be implemented. That is a basic function of governance that seems to be over your head. That a US president doesn't understand that function, and instead publicly brain-storms with the logic if disinfectant works on countertops, why not inject it in the human body, it shows the disfunction of the White House.That you believe it's a progressive timely suggestion to medical advisors who are there to inform the public that day on the progress of fight against Covid-19, just shows how far down the rabbit hole the US has gone. You can't make this shit up. You'll go to your grave believing Donald Trump did the right thing during that press briefing.
We drink Sodium fluoride and brush our teeth with it, it’s one of the most toxic mineral compounds as well.
It’s not just in tap water, it in bottled water as well.
As for fluoride in water my water company says it added to the water to promote healthy teeth & you & I know you shouldn’t drink fluoride. On the other hand years back I ran a test on eight different bottles of water & after my I ended up switching back to filtered tap water.
Check out which countries have rejected water fluoridation...www.actionpa.org/fluoride/countries.pdf
Just checked out the link & our country should be on that list. Why are they poisoning us?
Our Governments want us to look away from what is actually going on! What are our World leaders up too? ↗
Scroll down in the mytake until you see the fluoride part
😆 Although we may be the tide pod eating generation but I’m happy to say we aren’t the generation that FULLY segregated blacks and other people of color. Where racism was 100% legal. Ruining the reputation of whites for other generations.
And don’t get me started on the MASS production of plastics your generation produced to pollute this earth too.
If they actually quoted what Trump said we'd think they were crazy. Read a transcript of Trump's speeches. They make no sense. They're trying to decrypt what he is saying
He was videotaped and audio recorded. He suggested injecting disinfectant.There is no getting out of this one. Excuses will be made for him by MAGA idiots who will blame that darned media for quoting him directly. How dare they.
@coffeewithcream - Trump was suggesting the medical field look into something like that. He NEVER suggested individuals on their own try that! Use your head. People with breathing problems are often given breathing treatments WITH medications in them. This is what Trump was alluding to for a possible cure.
@snowboarder720 - Just how do you go from people injecting themselves with disinfectants to racial issues and pollution by a certain generation?Speaking of plastics, since you consider them to be horrible for the planet, just what did you type your response on? Most likely, a plastic keyboard. Since you consider plastics to be the bane of Earths ecological purity, then please, get rid of your cell phone, your car, your television, etc, because all those objects are loaded with plastics. Oh... and don't use a hospital either. Nearly ALL the equipment they use and treat you with are loaded with that horrible plastic stuff.
You're right, it's hard to tell if he's really this stupid, or it's a technique to keep people on his side. 50% of the electorate are of sub-average intelligence, after all.
thanks, i'm not a Trump supporter, but it seems unlikely to me that he is so stupid as he suggests. In fact, I think that the biggest mistake made by opponents of Mr. Trump C is to always consider him an idiot, I think he manipulates his opponents quite easily
Doesn't bleach, as a bodily disinfect, work best when mixed with ammonia?
He didn't it was a misquote by certain media outlets, even the far left poltifact had to agree:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
He definitely said it. I saw the video. The guy wasn't being sarcastic or joking. The guy thinks disinfectant kills the virus, so just, you know, do a science and make it so you can like, you know, inject disinfectant into someone to disinfect their blood or whatever.
He wasn't telling people to straight up inject it into them. He's very sarcastic and even if he wasn't being sarcastic in the moment, he was talking about how the virus has been proven to be killed by these cleaning supplies, and he put out the idea of looking into them to see if it was possible make it able to be used medically. Not using the base product, but to see if it's possible to make a safe version of it.
She never said Trump said to do this. Buy since you mentioned it, if you watch his actual interview, he asks his officials the following:"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it'd be interesting to check that."Since disinfectant is effective at killing pathogens on surfaces, he clearly is asking an official if that same power can be harnessed to be used "inside" by "injection or almost [as] a [form of] cleaning", which he thinks would "be interesting to check that" that's possible. Why a supposedly sane and educated adult would even need to question whether injecting disinfectant into your body could be good for you or not, is beyond me.
Also, with regards looking at the chemicals used, rather than straight up injecting disinfectant, we already have refined scientific methods of investigating this it's called: pharmacology.
He said injection inside, injection inside what?
Someone should sue the media for misquoting him! If you actually read or listen to what he said, he NEVER said to do that! It was certian media outlets saying he said inject bleach. It was such a transparent lie even politifact had to acknowlege it:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../If there are people dying from this, I guess Trump is right in the sense that certain media outlets really are the enemy of the American people!
Because its a joke. He didn't say inject yourself with bleach, it was certain media outlets saying he said that. If you read the transcript or listen to what he said, he never said that! Even the far left politifact had to concede:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
It wasn't a joke, or sarcasm, it was a question to his advisors who didn't want to correct him publically. The disinfectant manufacturers have also been asked about it, and the people asking were the relatively smart ones.
But not from COVID-19
@Twalli Nope bleach in a poison to the human body. 😝
Yes, so it would stop you from dying due to COVID-19. It would ensure you die before contracting it would kill you.
I listened. It was stupid.
Then you didn't listen. He never talked about bleach or lysol or over the counter cleaners. He was relaying what was said in a meeting of doctors and specialist. Talking and asking and possible ideas to thwart this virus. It's what real leaders do. Ask questions of experts to better get an idea of what to do.
No, real leaders listen and *understand* what they are being told, that the measures were for the virus outside the body, not inside. How do you think he would have reacted to the obvious and honest response: that he'd totally missed the point?
Leaders dont get "told", that's a puppet. Leaders listen to ideas, ask questions and with the all the knowledge available make the best decision they can. He was getting info.
Not told what to do, told what the facts are. He obviously wasn't taking it in, and no-one was willing to risk their careers to explain it to him again.You're right, leaders listen to ideas, ask questions and with the all the knowledge available make the best decision they can.But they make the decision first, then explain it to the public.He wasn't getting infomation, because nobody was willing to tell him he was wrong, which is a terrible situation for a leader to have put themselves in.
I also listened. It was stupid.
@Soteris @MrTaboo The press release from RB, the maker of Lysol and Dettol, says they'd "been asked whether internal administration of disinfectants may be appropriate for investigation or use as a treatment for coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2)."Those are the relatively sensible ones, who asked before doing something stupid. We probably won't hear from the others...www.rb.com/.../
@goaded I honestly dont have anything against the president asking stupid questions, they are not supposed to know everything after all but there is a time and a place for everything and this was definitely not the time.
Yeah well, the way I see it let the tidepod waters weed themselves out. If you're that stupid, Darwin Award time.
The competition will be ruthless this year. I wonder who will take the trophy?
@Soteris Don't worry, it's like Presidential Medals of Freedom, you can throw them around like confetti (although the Darwin Awards have to have a reasonable reason).
Real leaders listen to advisors who are hired for their expertise. Real leaders don't make dumb fucking suggestions pulled out of their ass to throw at them. He did suggest injecting disinfectant. And you defend Trump on this. Give your head a shake.
He did not say that, certain media outlets said he said that. It is obvious to anyone who actually read the transcript. Even the left leaning politifact had to acknowlege Trump didn't say this:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
In short, yes. Different words and more offhand but yes.
If you think he said that, you need to watch the video or read a transcript.
I did. He clearly said that disinfectants worked well on surfaces so we should start injecting it into the body and lungs specifically in his address to the American people.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."In which sentence did he suggest that people start injecting themselves with Lysol or bleach?
The fact that he said that it was a possible solution in his address to the nation. Context matters.
Oh, so he didn't actually say what you claimed that he said. I get it.
As I said, he used different words and said it in an offhanded way but he definitely did suggest that people should inject or ingest bleach. I remind you that this was a national address, as in that whole conversation was not necessarily addressed to his staff but to USA as a whole. He also claim to be an expert in the subject and put this forward as a possible solution, again in his national address.This is also backed up with the fact that there is a sharp increase in people drinking bleach.
I am an expert on TDS and I think you have it.
You say that as if him talking about injecting the body with UV radiation lights earlier was not just as stupid and deadly as drinking disinfectants is.
I believe that he suggested it as a potentially interesting avenue of research. Light therapy is routinely used in the treatment of acne vulgaris so I don't think the suggestion is ludicrous though I would also not expect it to be as promising as some other possibilities.
Do you have any PROOF (actual facts, and not twisted suppositions) about an increase in infection of bleach?
Even merely asking if disinfectants could be injected to treat COVID19 is crazy. Who is stupid enough to even come up with that thought? It’s not even a clever hypothesis for research.
I agree that it was a stupid question to ask in a news conference, and it was very inartfully expressed. However, in the generic sense of the word, antibiotics are a type of disinfectant. But it was a stupid question. However, my complaint is with people claiming that he told us to go inject ourselves with bleach or Lysol, because he never said that.
Well understandably facts are still forthcoming since its a developing situation and as such I have only seen scattered reporting and also personal accounts. The most official and factual would probably be this from the CDC which shows a rise after Trumps white house address. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6916e1.htmAlso what he suggested is not "light therapy" but the usage of germicidal lamps. It destroys DNA and makes no distinctions between human or otherwise. Using it on your skin causes DNA damage in your skin and leads to cancer. Using it inside your body is many times worse because it does not have the radiation protection your skin has. Using it inside your lungs is pretty much a death sentence.Antibiotics is not a form of disinfectant. Disinfectants are usually pure alcohol, strong acids and other chemicals that is universally deadly to all forms of life, that includes humans.
The report you cite summarizes exposures to disinfectants for January 1, 2020 - March 31, 2020. That really missed the mark, didn't it?
Fair enough, they have not updated the figures for April yet. Hardly surprising to be honest and is sort of why I started this conversation with "Well understandably facts are still forthcoming since its a developing situation". I dont know how often they release these reports, maybe they do it in 3 months intervals which would not be surprising but that is your best bet if you dont want to accept that I heard it from other sources.
Someone else told me they had a source for this "fact" and I read their source. It said that the poison control center in NYC had received 10 more inquiries about disinfectant exposure done the president's comments. It actually did not say that there had been even one ingestion related to the president's comments.In this area, I want to see the sources because biases inevitably influence how we read and summarize such sources.
Sadly its not like I keep a running tally on what I heard and from where, that would imply that I actually cared more about it than the passing interest that it actually was. Suffice to say that the future report from the CDC should make it pretty clear although it seams like people have taken it to heart even before he said it which makes sense. After all its not like Americans are not known for pseudo medicine or the fact that there are communities already built upon drinking the stuff since earlier for some retarded "health" reason.
Actually, no he didn't, the media said he did. Anyone who reads the transcript will see he did not. Even the Left Leaning politifact had to acknowlege this:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
@genuinlysensitive Well you are wrong. I do not disagree that he probably did not mean it. I do not disagree that he did not use the exact wording however.. that is the general meaning you can derive from the things he said.To sum it up. He describes himself as an expert and while addressing the country directly mentions a possible solution to the national problem and fear to be injecting their bodies with disinfectants which bleach is the most readily available one as well as the most well known one. Taking his words for it its reasonable to take this as an expert opinion and recommendation if someone were to ever try do something themselves.And before you say something, yes Trump supporters are that stupid to derive this meaning and think its a good idea.
1. Just because you think it is reasonable to assume that this is what the president meant does not mean it is reasonable to the test of the planet. Trump haters look for the thinnest excuse to criticize, complain, whine, cry, and lie and they often do not feel constrained by reality. E. g., you claim a sharp increase in people ingesting bleach but have absolutely no facts to support your claim. The more that you insist that you are right, the more you exhibit the signs of TDS.Not only do you enjoy seeing venom about the president, you are hateful towards anyone who disagree with you. According to you, everyone who voted for Trump is a moron. I have had enough of your hatefulness and sanctimonious attitude. Goodbye and please do not respond;. I do not want to hear any more of your nonsense.
Oh please, I hope that the difference between what is meant, what is said and what is understood is not a new concept for you since they can have widely different understandings and considering what Trump says can only generously be called English its hardly a surprise when he fails to convey his meaning to the point of presenting a completely different statement. In fact he might just be the first one to completely fail at every step of that since usually at least two of those match fairly closely.I mean if we take his drinking bleach statement its fairly clear that what he wanted to say has nothing to do with what he actually said which has nothing to do with what people actually understood from it. Quite the achievement I have to say.As for evidence that people took his advice to heart? I have had enough evidence presented to me personally to satisfy me making that claim with reasonable certainty but you have to forgive me for not doing your research for you especially when we can't agree on the current facts anyway. You are free to ignore my claims of course but to insult my integrity is just a petty attack on me.You can of course wait for the official report to come out eventually or even contact the CDC personally and ask them directly if you want to prove me wrong but I doubt you actually care about the facts in the first place as much as you care about arguing for the sake of supporting Trump.But you are correct on one account. I do like to see Trump being trash talked, its humorous. Its like watching Idiocracy but as a reality show and is more extreme than any satire professionals like the Onion or other comedians can even hope to match. Watching people like you bending over backwards to try intellectually defend him is also hilarious.As for threatening me with a ban, why would I care? You already did it once after all and I only remember it because I was laughing my ass of when I found out last time you got all snowflake over it.
I did not read your reply as I asked you to not reply. Apparently, I am not the one who doesn't understand basic English. You do not have some inherent right to continue as nauseum with your diatribe. Do you need for me to explain the meaning of goodbye?
Dying from something different is one way to avoid getting Covid-19...
@Flower7 My point exactly. You can't die from COVID-19 if you inject yourself with bleach
And he didn't actually say it, anyone who reads the transcript can see it, even the far left politifact had to admit:"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."www.politifact.com/.../
... by killing the host :S
Haha yeah it will
Yes! As much as you belive Trump!
Sadly this actually has caused a sharp increase of people drinking bleach.
Oh man they’ll be like the president shouldn’t be making jokes blah blah blah, ok and ex presidents shouldn’t be going on a certain plane 26 times...