Was Rayshard Brooks murdered or was he responsible for his own death?

[supercutebutt]

The dude who fell asleep in the Wendy's drive through was shot to death by a cop after fighting them and taking a taser and running away. How do you feel about this one?

VOTE!

He was murdered

Not murder. He was at fault

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+1 y

This gentleman was a grade-A weirdo. First, falling asleep in a drive through lane and not being able to wake up is ultra strange. Not only couldn't the cop wake him up after multiple attempts, but the Wendy's staff couldn't either. Next we find out he is a drunk driver. That shows poor judgement and a lack of concern for humanity. THEN, he fights with the cops, steals a taser (he would have stolen a gun if he could) and discharges it at the cop! It's hard to feel sympathy for this guy.

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+1 y

MLK said to judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character & Rayshard showed us his character. He was not being mistreated by the cops and drunk driving is indeed a crime. It would be nice if he was alive & going to prison for being a drunk driver & a violent criminal piece of shit but that's not how it turned out. He 100% determined his fate when he decided to attack those officers. He was stupid and now he has further divided my country. He sucks.

[Electric_Dreams]

None of the police did anything unreasonable.

This man did.

I feel sorry for him.. primarily because he's dead, and that's awful, but before that he's clearly going through some struggles. He seems to be sad about his mother, thinking about her, I sense some despondency or dejectedness on the subject of his girlfriend and his daughter.. I think he's drunk because he's sad, and sometimes people get drunk alone when they are sad.

And I can sense how desperate he is not to get arrested, not to disappoint his girlfriend and/or daughter.. but the problem is he has clearly been driving drunk. I have no sympathy for anyone that kills a person driving drunk, no matte how sad they are. It is inexcusable (I drove drunk once, a very short drive, I hated myself and felt disgusted thereafter and still do to this day, and nothing bad happened aside from the driving drunk in itself. If I killed someone driving drunk then I would not have deserved sympathy). I know this guy did not drive drunk but he very well could have, which right off the bat makes him a threat, a danger to the lives of innocent people which on this night he was not.

So then he refuses to get arrested without a fight... then he steals the police officer's taser, and continues fleeing even after he has been tased. He's now armed with a weapon stolen from a police officer, so he's more dangerous. Then he turns and actually fires the taser at the police officer. He tries to taser the police officer. And the police officers have been trying to give him fair warning, they were very polite and professional when they were talking with him, when they asked him to put his hands behind his back they were very calm and polite. They warned him that he was going to get tased and they shouted for him to stop when he was running off, armed and dangerous.

See but when this man fires the taser at the police officer he is extremely dangerous. It's clear at this point that the man is unfortunately not thinking clearly, he is irrational and unpredictable. If this man is actually able to successfully tase a police officer, then it is possible that the man could do additional harm to the police officer. He could take that police officer's gun, shoot both police officers and then be on the loose with a police officers gun.

So the police officer did the failure drill. Three precisely targeted rounds. Not excessive, only what he has been trained to do.

The police officer was totally reasonable. Rayshard Brooks was unreasonable, he was dangerous. It's unfortunate because it seems he was a man that was suffering and didn't want to screw up.. the thing is he ultimately screwed up huge. He needed to just accept that he was getting arrested for a DUI.

[Electric_Dreams]

Just reading through this, annoying mistake in that second paragraph there.. where I said I know he didn't drive drunk. I didn't mean that, because I do believe he DID drive drunk. I meant to say I know he didn't kill anyone driving drunk. Just to clear that up. I believe he drove drunk, I was talking about killing someone while DUI.

[BoountyHunter]

This country is losing its mind over this stuff
anything is labeled racism now (along with many absolutely stupid ideas and revisions of well defined words..)

THIS is clearly a case of self defense by the cops (for anyone who even attempted to watch the video)...
Could it have turned out better? Yes... I am sure all of us can agree that this could have ended peacefully... However he 1. Was drunk driving/fell asleep in the drive through 2. Resisted arrest with cops that treated his kindly (watch the 40 minute video... the cops are very nice with him...)... it is only when they cuff him that he responds harshly.. 3. He literally throws the cops around like ragdolls and takes a taser and 4. Ultimately at the end he points his taser and fires at the cop


I don't know where this country is going
but for some reasons we assume things like that are acceptable?

Being white myself
I can promise you if I treated cops the same way.. it would very easily end with me being shot as well (MORE White people than anything are shot by cops each year... but no one really cares about that? only about 25% -30% of police shootings are Black... WHICH IS disproportionate to the Black community size as a whole.. which is 13%+ ... However that community also commits a very disproportionate amount of the crime. NEARLY half of all murders each year are committed by the black community... and usually against other blacks)

These are things no one wants to talk about

we simply want to label EVERYTHING racist
FLOYD is another issue all together (and no one is arguing the cop isn't getting what he deserves)
but with the issue at Atlanta.. things are getting pathetic

Not to mention rioters have burned down the Wendys


Congrats
I think people have totally lost the path...

Martin Luther King Jr would be disgusted by this
but then again.. so many people are misquoting him...
even brutalizing his son for claiming his father would NEVER support violence/riots/looting


What the hell is this world coming to?

[supercutebutt]

This is why strong leadership is important. All Trump does is divide us. He is supposed to be the president of everyone. Yet all he does is stir up shit with fucked up tweets or by saying something asinine. A house divided cannot stand.

[BoountyHunter]

Absolutely right...

Covid-19
he spreads conspiracies at the beginning...
which
1. makes certain political leaders more accepting of following his mentality (so now they can speak their mind) OR in many cases they likely fear for their jobs.. and therefore dont speak against him
2. makes a lot of Trump supporters hold onto the conspiracy itself (god knows.. plenty of them believe in the deep state... or evil democrats... etc etc)
Police Brutality... and Trump literally ignores it... threatens to use military.. etc
1. Only makes the situation worse... with a group of people that already hate him
and 2. Makes political figures on both sides uneasy... some may fear the need to use excessive force... while others might be too afraid to do anything

its a mess
and I doubt any other leader in American history would have allowed this to happen

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

This definitely doesn't compare to what happened with George Floyd because he was resisting and armed, but the use of deadly force in this case was probably a little excessive. First, the cop was very incompetent for allowing his taser to be stolen so easily. That alone should have the cop being called to the carpet. Second, even though he did take the taser and point it in their direction when running, the taser clearly isn't anywhere near as lethal as a gun. They could have simply outran this guy, avoided the direction of the taser, and tackled him. A guy can't run full speed the whole time while looking behind him with a taser. At some point, to do that, he's going to have to slow down. Third, he was also drunk, so he could have easily fell during the chase, making him easier to catch. Police used tasers on several people without killing them, so they themselves shouldn't be afraid of them. Still, we know that police officers tend to have "probable cause" when a weapon is pointed in their direction, no matter what it is. FOr that reason, it's not "murder."

Either way, the suspect's actions shouldn't be defended or ignored by any means, nor should it be used as a distraction from what happened to George Floyd and victims that were actually unarmed and posed no immediate threat when killed. It seems that's what the media is attempting to do with this case. To answer the question, yes; though somewhat excessive, the suspect basically brought this on himself. As for my opinions on it, while I don't think that the cops were entirely wrong in this case, I do agree with the police officer's firing. Absolutely poor job performance. Clearly, a police officer isn't the job for him. It's for his own safety, as he's lucky it wasn't his gun he took. He's likely to have his weapon stolen from him a lot and possibly likely to resort to shooting suspects when other solutions could be done. Maybe he should try being a fireman instead. As for the suspect, I think that the suspect was stupid because, for one, you don't steal a police officer's weapon and think it's going to end well, and two, and most importantly, as a Black man, he should have known that the police love shooting Black men at high rates and, despite that, he actually gave them probable cause to attempt it.

[supercutebutt]

I have a feeling that if this dude was white and acted the same exact way, he would have been shot also. I do agree that in many cases, race has a lot to do with how a person is treated by cops. But I really think that if ANY person did what Rayshard did, they would have a very good chance at being shot the same way. The whole thing is unfortunate but I can see people getting pissed off if the cop in this case is convicted of a crime. Sure, he probably shouldn't have shot him but I can't really fault him for doing so when you consider it is a split second decision under pressure and stress.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@supercutebutt: It's definitely possible that he could have been shot if he was White, but statistics do indeed show that police officers have much higher rates of shooting Black people compared to White. Chances are great that he wouldn't have been shot if he was White. There have been instances of White people even beating up the cops with their own weapon and even stealing their car without being shot. The double standards in the American police force is remarkable. Also, chances are very high that he won't be convinced of a crime. Police hardly get convicted of anything even if they kill an unarmed suspect, so of course nothing is likely to happen to this cop that actually had "probable cause" to shoot this guy. I'm just baffled at how stupid this guy must have been to attempt this knowing how trigger happy cops are towards Black men.

https://youtu.be/6jsoaJE7TWg

[007kingifrit]

actually data shows blacks are under represented in police shootings or lethal killings in general by police scholar.harvard.edu/.../empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: Most of your statistics in that. pdf book you sent me contains data mostly reported from Houston, in case you were unaware. As a person that once complained about how long my replies were, I don't think you read that whole book. Not all police shootings occur in Houston. Still, yes, shootings are majority White due to White people being 70% of the population, but disproportionately Black. Police officers are still more likely to shoot Black people at higher rates, especially when unarmed, compared to White people. According to the data, they are more likely to shoot White people because they tend to have mental health issues and are more likely to commit suicide by cop. The fact that police are more likely to shoot Black people when unarmed and less threatening is something everybody should note.

(Racial Disparities by Type of Shooting) https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

[007kingifrit]

the data accounts for all locations and is adjusted for population size and crime rate

you have no counter to the data

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: You seriously need to read the whole book. Many of the statistics in it are talking about what happens in Houston. I gave you a link to more wide-reaching statistics, which states that Black people are more likely to be shot when unarmed and pose less of a threat compared to White people. It also showed you that White people are 7-times more likely to commit suicide by cop. Do you have a counter to that? I don't see why you're ignoring this highly significant fact.

[007kingifrit]

your source is not adjusted for violent crime rate like mine is

blacks resist arrest more often and attack police and do violent crime more often, black people thus deserve a higher rate overall so we adjust for violent crime rates

inequality is not proof of discrimination. different groups do different things

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: The violent crime rate is 100% irrelevant to cops shooting unarmed suspects that pose no immediate threat. I'll give you this though: your statistics do a good job of analysing why police officers are more likely to shoot Black people in situations that are justified. If a person resists arrest and is armed, yes, I understand. You have to defend yourself. I'm not arguing against that. However, evidence also shows that despite that most police interactions and arrests are overwhelmingly White in total raw numbers, police officers are much more likely to kill unarmed Black people that don't pose much of a threat compared to White people. If you pose no immediate threat and unarmed, violent crime rates become irrelevant. My question is, why is that, and do you have a counter for it?

[007kingifrit]

a suspect bieng "unarmed" is a misleading statistic because unarmed black people often try to steal womens from cops

in 2019 a total of 9 unarmed blacks were killed by police. 6 of which were trying to take guns from cops and 1 was previously armed but jumped out of the getaway car unarmed, he had already fired on police.

there is no problem there

[007kingifrit]

*weapons*

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: You're missing the point here. I'm not talking about suspects that attempt to steal weapons from cops. The statistics say that cops are more likely to shoot unarmed Black suspects that are *unlikely to pose a threat* compared to White people. Obviously, if you're attempting to steal a weapon from police officers, you pose a threat. When it comes to police officers killing non-threatening unarmed Black people, what counter do you have for that? Just answer the question. What is your counter for this? Do you think that it's fine for police to shoot unarmed people that are non-threatening?

As for your statistics on the amount of unarmed Black people killed, your numbers are false. They have been falsified. (https://www. politifact. com/factchecks/2020/jun/05/larry-elder/larry-elder-mislabels-statistics-fatal-shootings-p/) Stop getting your sources from biased commentators that support your political views and actually examine the raw data. Even still, the number doesn't matter. Over the years, not just 2019, many Black people have been victims of police shootings when they're unarmed and non-threatening, and the numbers continue to grow.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit

www.politifact.com/.../

[007kingifrit]

"unlikely to pose a threat" is not a scientific term it is open to interpretation, i wouldn't trust any study using such vague langauge

there is simply no evidence of police mistreating black people... a total of NINE were killed unarmed by police last year. 7 of which were justified

a total of 2 in the entire nation may have been unjustified

[supercutebutt]

@007kingifrit "there is simply no evidence of police mistreating black people."

Well that's a crock of shit. Don't post stupid shit or I will have to block you.

[007kingifrit]

you already blocked me once... then you unblocked me

i am correct, there is no statistical data you can share to prove systemic racism is real. any individual example you can share is just an anecdote; i. e... it doesn't demonstrate a larger trend

[007kingifrit]

politifact is not a trustworthy source. they don't even disprove the claim.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: Honestly, I'm not sure if you're just extremely biased, extremely slow, or extremely trolling, maybe all of the above. "Not posing any threat" means that they're not doing anything to put the cop's life in jeopardy, unlike the White suspects that the study shows typically have mental illness or commit suicide by cop at higher rates. It's shameful that you need "scientific terms" understand simple things. Then you say that Politifact is not a reliable source, yet they base their information on the raw data. Then after I showed you that you were wrong, you still continue to repeat the same misinformation. I even gave you a link to raw data, which you rejected. You base your beliefs off people that simply share the same politically conservative views you do. You just seriously deny evidence and reject anything that proves you wrong. As long as you continue to do that, there is no point in replying to you. I'll leave you to it then. Continue to believe all the delusions and false information you want, but we will accept the truth and continue making changes from it.

[007kingifrit]

well my data adjust for population size and crime rate and yours doesn't.

a total of NINE unarmed blacks were killed by police last year, and no it doesn't matter this data is limited to "on duty" police like your silly fact checking source says. only 2 of those 9 were unjustified (maybe)

your narrative is just not true, blacks are under represented in police killings

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@007kingifrit: Alright. I'll leave you to it.

[The_little_gay_robin]

Well, all of that footage bothers me, but the one thing I found super weird was the black officer who walked up at the end and said that the officers safety was his "main concern" and "I'm just making sure YOU are alright." And "we're gonna clear this up." That sounds off to me.

Sure the officers safety is important, but the way he said made it seem like the guy they shot was just an inconvenience, a problem to be swept under a rug and forgotten.

What is showed here is not the full unedited footage, so while it looks like the cops were most likely justified in this instance, that doesn't mean they did everything like they were supposed to and they could've missed important opportunities to deescalate and reassure prior to the arrest. Those are not just part of being a police officer, they are MORE IMPORTANT parts than arresting and using lethal force.

Too often people neglect necessary critique of police behavior just because the person they confront did something wrong. The suspects actions and the officers actions should be looked at independently as well as in full context.

[lightbulb27]

His actions lead to his death. The cops shouldn't have shot, but then again, we weren't in their shoes. My guess... they just lose their jobs.

This gets to the root of the problem that is not being addressed... how to behave around cops. The problem being with Rayshard... he went into panic mode when he heard the cuffs.

It is awful dealing with cops and scary. People have to learn and be trained to control their emotional response. This may be much more difficult for black people or those who've been traumatized by police or can't handle being restrained (claustrophobia?).

So many of these incidents are due to people not submitting to Police. Submit to police, and they are free the next day doing their crap. They know the system is a revolving door. Might as well just advertise it as "free food and drink" in jail or something.

Maybe it's a lot worse than I know, I've never been to jail. If that's the case, lets put some $ into fixing that.

Poor guy... I mean that, he was fine up until he lost control. And now... more fatherless children.

[007kingifrit]

the cops did nothing wrong, they were attacked and lethal force is always justified when a cop is attacked

[wolfcat87]

Prisons are not a revolving door for black men, and the jails and prisons there are AWEFUL. I would never ever in my life want to go to one. Not even for a night. Also, you only get out the next day if it's not a weekend or holiday and you have extra money lying around for collect calls and bail. Most people don't have that. If you can't pay bail, then you stay imprisoned until they get around to giving you a court date for trial. You may never get out at all. They actually forget to try some people for years!

[007kingifrit]

@wolfcat87 stop trying to justify fighting back agaisnt the police, blacks like you are part of the problem

[wolfcat87]

@007kingifrit I'm not black. So, racists like you are the only problem. As for fighting back, people have the constitutional right to defend their selves against anyone. That includes police.

[007kingifrit]

@wolfcat87 no it literally doesn't include the police, you do not have the right to fight back against the police

nobody has EVER made that argument besides you, you are a racist lunatic

[lightbulb27]

@wolfcat87 I'm sure they are awful, I meant to go and visit and never have. Revolving means... people go in for a crime and leave at some point depending upon the crime. We've had the same thieves come around time and again as they get released in a month. too much crime, not enough jail. Need to get people into society which means work ethic, values, training... regardless of color. Immigrants come in and by and large, do well... because of family and work ethic.

[wolfcat87]

@007kingifrit "The Second Amendment and the Inalienable Right to Self-Defense. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Try again dumb dumb.

[wolfcat87]

@007kingifrit "Self-defense is a constitutional right. So holds State v. Hull (Wash. ... Generally speaking, courts rarely have to decide whether there is a constitutional right to self-defense, since all states generally recognize a statutory or common-law right to use force against another person in self-defense."

[wolfcat87]

@lightbulb27 I think that's probably because theft is usually a misdemeanor. Most areas tend to be pretty lenient on that one. Even my area goes pretty easy on thieves.

[007kingifrit]

@wolfcat87 the 2nd amendment literally says nothing about being allowed to fight police... try again my uneducated young friend

[lightbulb27]

@wolfcat87 so this gets into a persons rights with police... and then there are responsibilities. This is the mess I think where the most opportunity is. A large number of people are threatened and in fear of police and react poorly around them. This increases their risks of trouble with Police.

There are cases where police are just awful, there is that as well. Whether that comes out on one race or the other more is a factor, opportunity is a factor.

But it isn't the police that is the only change point, it'st he people. Can train the police all day long and give them all the tools we want. They will dominate people, they have to. And if want to fight with them, that's a right... and they have a higher right by way of the law to use force to protect themselves and they will usually win. So its better to be really well trained, super nice, and deal with a judge. Reducing the fear of police and improving the interaction of citizen to police will reduce problems a lot... if it can be done. A place where people do not commit crime, are super nice and honor others, will have less problems. We have a bunch of out of control children running around... and it's getting the rest of us in trouble. Some of them are police.

[wolfcat87]

@007kingifrit You're literally arguing with the Supreme Court... That's a losing battle, since they are the final authority in this country. Talk about being uneducated. Ha ha

[wolfcat87]

Police do not have higher rights than citizens. That misconception is part of the problem. No one is above the law.

I do agree that police need better relations with the public, but that fear is there for a reason. It is not needed. Northern European countries do much better without that fear or brutality. The issue is too much power. Studies have shown that humans given too much power are naturally inclined to become abusive and brutal with it. Experiments testing it have had to end early, because people had nervous breakdowns from the abusive side.

[007kingifrit]

@wolfcat87 what's with all the blacks that refuse to surrender to police jeez

police can arrest you, you are not allowed to resist arrest

shut up and obey the law

[lightbulb27]

@wolfcat87 why do you think European police have to use less fear? Gun control and drug control? I suspect a lot of our issues are drug related...

[007kingifrit]

well i am perfectly fine with having a high death rate from police if it means keeping my guns. the past 5 months have proved to us that guns are necessary even when we think things are peaceful

[wolfcat87]

@007kingifrit Gosh, you are an embarrassingly ignorant waste of air...

[007kingifrit]

@wolfcat87 go on and resist arrest. we'll see how that goes for you

[wolfcat87]

I agree that drugs are an issue. Mental health treatment and how we treat children are major factors as well. I don't agree that guns are, because areas with the tightest gun control laws in the U. S. have some of the highest violent crime rates...

[lightbulb27]

@wolfcat87 Agree! Our "system" is not setup to recover people, at any level I can find. I tie some of that to the disconnect of church and state which attempts to exclude church. The problem dwelling in the human spirit. A lot, not all of the problems, are heart issues. It's so expensive and time consuming to help an adult wounded as a child.

[NYCQuestions1976]

I completely agree with the update.

Anyone who tries to compare this to George Floyd's death is crazy. This guy fell asleep at a drive through, showed signs of being drunk when awoken, was administered a breathalyzer test, he failed the test, and was being arrested for driving drunk. As soon as he was being placed into custody, he resisted, fought the two police officers, took one of their tasers, started to run, and pointed the taser at the cops. Then he was shot twice and died at the scene.

Also, for anyone who foolishly wants to claim that he should've been left alone because he wasn't dangerous to the public: You can't claim this as a certainty, just like I can't claim he would've definitely killed someone by driving drunk. Without police intervention, he may have made it home safely, or he could've killed an innocent family. Either is a possibility, and we also don't know what the toxicology report will show besides alcohol after the autopsy is concluded.

The bottom line is this: Sometimes we pay the ultimate price for the bad and/or illegal decisions we make.

[sensible27]

Maybe they shouldn't have shot him, it didn't seem like a thing someone should be shot at. Not everyone know what the rules are and what the police can or cannot do. Dugged people should be treated as irrational people doing anything (I am not even sure if he should have been shot if he was sobre and sane while doing that). Imagine trying to run from a major crime and getting a death sentence just for running, seems immoral. Should have let the guy run away. Cop should be told/taught how to fight and subdue though. Better than just shooting people who run away or try to run away.

[sensible27]

*minor crime.

[not329446]

I'm only commenting on the rules.
It is clearly well established law. Do not resist. Keep your big mouth shut or be charged with verbal assault.
If you don't like what a cop does, file a complaint later. A haphazard attempt to evade arrest is not worth risking your life. If cop causes injury you have opportunity to seek redress in the federal courts.

[sensible27]

Yeah but it's not thought is schools right? Even if it is/was, many people don't go to or have never gone to one. Maybe before shooting officers should be prerequisite to say 'you are running away, I am allowed to shoot you (legally) and I am going to if you don't stop" a certain number of times. Be a little considerate, not everyone is well educated, priviliged or has had the opportunities like you've had, but they are still doing what they can/their part...

[007kingifrit]

its common sense it doesn't need to be taught in schools

[sensible27]

Apparently not, common sense is not that common. The word itself means common (which doesn't include all). It's like saying it's an average iq thing (yeah okay it maybe) but there are always people above and below the nunber (iq) by the/it's very definition.

[007kingifrit]

you don't need to be taught not to resist police, anyone who does isn't worth saving

[sensible27]

You don't need to be taught anything, anyone who can't learn it all by themselves isn't worth saving.

[hellacray]

Dont forget the guy was drunk. And apparently has a criminal record as well.

Seriously people need to stop defending criminals. This is natural selection right here.

The guy was drunk blocking the drive through. He failed sobriety test and was getting cuffed but he fought back. Stole a taser from an officer and pointed it at him.

What the hell did you think was gonna happen when you do dumb shit like that? Good riddance the human society don't need an idiot like that.

Now what bugs me is that they fired the cop. The guy was defending himself. And trying to get this fool off the streets.

If this guy managed to get away who knows what he would've done. I mean he's drunk and now he has a taser you want somebody like that running around on the streets?

[RickPen]

He had driven drunk, was publicly drunk, resisted a legal and rightful arrest for those reasons, and stole a weapon from the officer, then assaulted the officer by firing the weapon.
He was definitely guilty, and should have been arrested.

The use of deadly force from the officer while the guy was running away, after firing the taser (non-lethal weapon) was uncalled for, and I agree that it should be considered murder.

This one likely isn't about skin color, but a cowardly, vengeful cop who thought shooting someone in the back was good, when he should've called it in. If civilians are unable to shoot a mugger in the back who's running away, then police shouldn't be above the law, either.

[MasRus]

There's no doubt he made mistakes and could have hurt someone else but to shoot and kill him is extreme especially by people who are paid and supposedly trained to protect the lives of people.

How many people did the police (who are supposed to protect lives) put in danger at that restaurant for shooting at him.

In fact a guy filming while at the restaurant had his little daughter in the car as the cop ran past wrecklessly shooting he could have easily shot and killed this little girl or many others.

In that video you clearly hear the cop pissed off saying you Mother Fucker as he shot repeatedly at him.

The suspect didn't try to kill anyone. If we think this way every time some has a fight they should be shot and killed.

[Avicenna]

Brooks resisted arrest, fought with the police after they attempted to handcuff him and took a Taser from one of the cops. He's responsible for those stupid actions, although I personally don't think he should have been shot.

The cops will probably avoid conviction since a 1989 US Supreme Court ruling (Graham vs Connor) gives the police the right to use force and "the "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

[Avicenna]

Upon further reflection, the situation with him having the taser was dangerous enough to justify him being shot.

The fact that he was drunk and in the vehicle was enough for an arrest for drunk driving.

[burlen]

What is murder? Cambridge dictionary: "the crime of intentionally killing a person". Collins dictionary: "Murder is the deliberate and illegal killing of a person".

Is it lawful to kill someone who is resisting arrest? No!
Is it lawful to kill someone who hasn't been charged of a crime and is running from captured? No!
Is it lawful to exert a disproportionate deadly force on someone because he is resisting arrest? No!
Is it lawful for me to kill someone who has stolen from my home? No!

Rayshard Brook's was murdered, regardless of the circumstances. Pure and simple. Hence, that's why there's first, second, and third degree murder.

[Joeharbor]

is a lawful to kill somebody when you think your life is in danger? Yes. He grabs a taser and pointed at them. He could have paralyzed the cop, stole his gun and murdered the police officer.

[Metlahaed]

I don't want to watch the video but from my understanding he put himself in that situation by resisting and taking the taser. Once that happened, death by gun is a very plausible outcome , without the officer at fault. I heard he was shot in the back, which may complicate things a little, did he shoot to kill? Did he still have the taser? If he shot to kill, it could have been handled a little different once he was turned around and unarmed, if he was still armed, then this is kind of how it had to go down. Still shouldn't shoot to kill though.

[EABsTUQ]

I'm not picking any sides on the matter but it is important to note that Rayshard waived is right away multiple times in the video. He didn't have to do some of those test etc etc. The police were building a case against him and because he clearly didn't know his rights he helped them do it. Not saying it would have ended differently. in my opinion the cop made the decision to killed him, pretty easily, knowing he didn't have a lethal weapon. I can't be down with either party on this one. Just because Rayshard clearly didn't care about drinking and driving doesn't mean we stoop down to that level which that cop did and a lot of these commenters are doing. The cop could have just chased the man down without shooting him. He was drunk... With great power comes great responsibility and people dont understand that for some reason. It's all about being logically and systematically right these days. Literally the problem with humanity we never question the game.

[supercutebutt]

I am not in support of killing anyone. But when you attack police and steal their weapon the way he did, I think you are sorta asking to be killed. If I acted that way, I would be surprised if I escaped alive. I have been pulled over a few times and it never crossed my mind to suddenly act like a deranged freak.

[Jersey2]

I watched the videos and at first the cops seemed really nice to him given the circumstances, they cut him more breaks than he was owed.

Then he fought and took a shot at them with the taser. I don’t think they had to kill him though but they were the ones there and it is easy for us to say so when we aren’t the ones in that hair raising situation which escalated almost instantaneously as they had no warning as to what he was planning to do.

I bet his toxicology report will be interesting.

[Paris13]

He was in the Wrong, No Doubt But---Why have to Shoot him in the Back Twice? That cop Could have Shot him Twice in the Leg.. Trigger Happy and mad Because he took his "TOY" away from him. This cop has Already been in Trouble in the Past for Gun problems. But hearing Georgia has Their own Rules on this. xx

[Amanda2]

I always say this if they don’t have a gun shot them in the foot to limit movement

[007kingifrit]

you have no idea how guns work, we never tell poilce where they have to shoot the target its too unpredictable. if they have been fired upon in any way they can shoot. that's that

[Amanda2]

@007kingifrit you’re right I don’t have any idea of how a gun works. It has never interested me. I have a business and I can have a gun but I’m just not interested. I still think the shouldn’t have aimed to kill him, but dude shouldn’t have been an aggressor, so the police has a great defense

[SicilianSlice]

@Paris13 how can you say the cop was Trigger Happy? Georgia has made it known that tasers are lethal weapons in the state. Rayshard took that "TOY" you downplay so much, a named it towards the cop. If it's lethal in a cop's hand, it's equally as lethal in the aggressors hand. Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes

[0oGreyo0]

full story the cops was nice to him and tried to tell him to park over there and sleep. And asked him nicely. One of the cops said he didn't want him drinking and driving.
He fought the cops and took a tazer and got shot in the back.

Seems fair

But theirs tons of video of drunk white people fighting cops and even one stealing a police car afterward and not shot.

It's a 50/50on this one. I'm on the side he would of got murked when he reached for the gun. BUT HE RAN AND THEY shot him in the back. So there's that.

[Bananaman177]

Here's his criminal record:

"Cruelty to children," hmm, I wonder what that was all about. . . simple battery, family battery, kidnapping, stealing, fighting with police. . . seems like a real model citizen and upstanding member of society.

Or a good boyfriend and future husband for supercutebutt. Yeah, he'd be a great Dad, sounds like. Sigh. . . what might have been. . .

[severance]

I think they could have handled it so much better and prevented the escalation... Even if he ran off with the taser... let him run! Why turn it into an even worse situation and bring out your gun? Especially when there are other people still in the drive-thru, at risk. It was negligent in so many ways.

[wisefool]

The police were actually very nice to him before he resisted arrest, fought the officers, tried to run away and taze them. The criminal escalated it in the worst possible way. It might as well have been a suicide.

[Tyrael]

It wasn't murder, but I'd say it was manslaughter.

He was wrong to resist arrest and wrong to grab the taser from the cop. However, he was drunk and not thinking clearly. It's happened hundreds of times before with drunks and cops. He grabbed the taser and ran because he didn't want to get tazed. That's pretty simple. If someone tried to taze me I'd try and stop it too. Shooting him in the back was unnecessary. He's not a threat if he's running the other way.

[JackSmy]

NO WAY do I think he should have been shot in the back, fleeing!! EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE!! Those officers were NOT IN DANGER, and just shot him down!!
Both should be prosecuted, at the very minimum!! Even if he did have a taser, taken, and turned it on them, that is NOT A LETHAL WEAPON!!

[JackSmy]

To the one who DOWN-VOTED: MAN-UP and explain why!! Did you think he should have been killed?

[Liam_Hayden]

This is far less cut and dried than George Floyd. Clear resisting arrest, took one of the tasers. Take a weapon from a cop and what are they supposed to think? From the perspective of the cops: if he disables the closest cop he will grab his firearm and then there is real trouble. I know they are calling this a homicide, but I don't see a jury convicting on this.

[jennifer_bloom]

Most likely he had worked 20 hours straight to prepare for his daughters birthday and give her the time of her life while sleep deprived and fell asleep while preparing to buy her her favourite birthday dinner - he was doing it for his daughter and not himself - if he was doing it for himself he would have waited until he was less tired to buy the food

[supercutebutt]

Where did he work?

[jennifer_bloom]

He had a car so must have had money to pay for it

[supercutebutt]

Oh well, OK. So you are assuming he was working. I thought you knew something. Brooks admitted to drinking and he failed the breathalyzer. I think he was just drunk.

[jennifer_bloom]

News stations slander dead people to prevent riots - everybody knows cops lie

[supercutebutt]

I'm not sure if you are trolling but Brooks is on tape admitting to drinking prior to taking the breathalyzer. Then he failed the breathalyzer. That's why he was being cuffed.

[BoountyHunter]

He couldnt even get his story straight...
the man was very clearly drunk
and the cops treated him very nicely (honestly they were very patient with him)

[Blacksnake285]

@ asker! Why do you ask a question if you're gonna give your opinion on it anyway? 🤣🤣

[ZackBan]

It's called "death by cop" it's a form of suicide and it's basically resisting arrest until shot.
Some might argue he had a taer not a real gun but see cops aren't Batman protocol dictates that can't take chances. Because if somehow this perp managed to harm anyone in any way it's on them.
Policing is not all black and white it's dangerous enough as it is and cops really have little room to make decisions where mistakes are fatal.