South Carolina considering death penalty for women that have abortion , your thoughts?

[888theGreat]

Yes South Carolina is considering voting this into law.

I don't know if this would include people killing baby out of state but resident of South Carolina.

Will you move out of South Carolina?

I will abide by the law

This is going too far

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So far many responses , and 2/10 think it is a great law. I figured not 1 out of 10 would like this law.

This also shows how conservative South Carolina is now.

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Every person has two lives. There physical life and their metaphysical Soul. So a person is created when the sperm hits the egg because that is when the soul is created.

[EmyyWolf]

The ones crying the most will be the men, cause now you’ll be forced into fatherhood and forced into child support 😂.

My thoughts is that this nation needs to make up their mind. Always doing some BS. Abortion was to keep down the number of crazies that we birth. But now you’re making it so that overpopulation continues to pollute the environment. You’re making difficult because now we need more jobs for the future brats that will show up. It’s just a problem. Why do you think both men and women considered it in the first place 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️. Now women will be forced into motherhood. Do you even know what this could cause. This could cause a woman to mistreat and even abandon her own baby.

There’s so many reasons people even considered this. It wasn’t just the Libtards and the Liberals. I’m conventional and conservative woman. I’m more right leaning. I’m on the side of Trump, and I hate anything lgbt or anything snowflake.

But when it comes to THIS. I actually think it’s an act of cruelty to force someone to become a mother. Someone not ready. Someone unstable. Someone with financial problems. Someone single and no spousal support. Someone with syndromes and diseases. Someone who’s been raped. Someone who hasn’t finished school.

It’s just CRUEL and ABSURD. You bringing your religion that has nothing to do with me. Is also ABSURD. You telling me that your specific religion is right for me is ABSURD. Let someone be 100% ready to birth yet another brat into this overpopulated earth. Stop pushing your religious farytale beliefs onto others.

These right-leaning lemmings aren’t the ones who will change diapers. Or take care of the brat. Or almost die during childbirth. They won’t be the ones to loose hair or teeth during pregnancy. They won’t be the ones to rip their vagina or their clit open during childbirth. They just won’t. 🤡 These Bible-leaches, Bible-suckers … have nothing to do with you. And they shouldn’t rule your life.

We have science now. We have statistics. And science and those statistics say that if a child is birthed into pure poverty and mystery. That BABY will suffer through that mystery. If I’m to be birthed into a poor life or a miserable situation. ABORT ME👶 PLEASE PEASE ABORT ME 👶 I BEG YOU, 🙏 ABORT ME👶

[EmyyWolf]

Honest, I would leave that state. I not about to be in a death penalty situation, because some Bible-Sheep voted this into law 🖕🖕🖕
Im out 🖕🖕🖕
@888thegreat

[888theGreat]

I feel it goes too far and I am very conservative. I think Supreme Court would rule too harsh punishment.

[SpudSteer]

Yes but adoption

[SpudSteer]

Fr I get what ur saying Emmy wolf but that’s not what it’s used for most of the time

[EmyyWolf]

@SpudSteer
Yeah maybe it should be death penalty is a woman is doing an abortion 3 times a year. Yeah that’s f-ked up

[SpudSteer]

Yeah 50% of Black Death in Chicago last year was abortion

[888theGreat]

@SpudSteer The other was shootings

[SpudSteer]

888theGreat Thanks for the info

[bamesjond0069]

If you think it's a human life then it's murder. This logically follows unless you are ok with some criminal shooting someone as they walk down the street? There isn't really any difference, unless you think it's not a baby?

[bamesjond0069]

"so that overpopulation continues" misinformation... there is a deportation problem. I think you're specifically talking about Africa. We're talking about South carolina here.

[bamesjond0069]

Depopulation

[EmyyWolf]

@bamesjond0069
If I’m to be birthed into a poor life or a miserable situation. ABORT ME PLEASE PEASE ABORT ME  I BEG YOU,  ABORT ME

[bamesjond0069]

So you think being poor is worse than dead? Should we exterminate poor people? Why do you hate poor people so much? Most of them are quite happy to be alive you know.

[EmyyWolf]

@bamesjond0069
Your a f-king re-ard and should be locked up. You’re the problem. Those like you should be put in prison for saying BS.
F-K adoption. Nobody’s gonna go through a full pregnancy so that their baby could end up in a family where the father turns out to be a Pedo—phile and abuses that baby. This is how a lot of sex traffic happens in the first place.

Are you living under a rock. These creeps get minors from adoption homes.

You’re an idiot. I’m not about to fight with some moron who thinks he should force women to birth. 🤡 This moron hasn’t even experienced a PERIOD CRAMP! A f—king period CRAMP!!!
MF don’t know shT 🤡🤡
And he thinks women should be forced onto childbirth. Forced to clone more humans.

These type of guys. Need to have their testicles removed. They need full vasectomy. The head of their d-k needs to be removed surgically. Before they impregnate women. These type of male shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce. 🖕
These don’t understand anything of how a pregnancy can change a woman for life. FOR LIFE. They don’t understand the degree of this. 🤡 They don’t understand how Deadly a pregnancy can be for a woman. The post-partum depression. The hair falling off. Teeth falling off. The permanent damage done on the vagina or even clitoris from this.
They know nothing 🤡.

[EmyyWolf]

@bamesjond0069

If the fetus has no brain, it has to GO! 💀
There’s overpopulation. There’s poverty. There’s not enough jobs. There’s not enough food. There’s not enough money. If the parents are poor they’ll struggle financially. Most of the time the Father abandons its own child. So on top, it we have a high rate of child abandonment on the side of the father. 🤡
And if the mother didn’t want the baby, the baby could end up as Garbage Baby, or she will mistreat it and neglect it. This is how my granny was to my Dad.

MF knows nothing. All he knows is how to watch his P-RN and bust his nut. 🤡

I RATHER BE DEAD, BEFORE I’m birthed into a struggle home, DEAD BEFORE I’m put into adoption to be with some abusive family, DEAD BEFORE I’m birthed to a mother that wasn’t ready for me mentally and psychologically. I RATHER SHE ABORT ME 100%. 💯 I rather not be born. Take me out!! PLEASE TAKE ME OUT!! 🖕🖕 I’m not about to suffer and be put into those poor situations. Don’t listen to that ignorant moron fool. Remove me from this world 🖕🖕 Immediately 🖕🖕

I never said eliminate poor people. Poor people are already alive DINGDONG 🛎️! I’m saying to stop creating more!! Or prevent creating more.
What are you 15? Are you a HighSchooler, cause that’s the most ignorant ShT I ever heard. You all Bible Sheep all say the same exact shT like parrots. Broken records.

[Part2603]

I dunno, couldn't you just do it in the butt?

[Anonymous]

This is obviously a dumb idea. But Democratic Senate Majority leader, Chuck Schumer, wants women to be able to kill babies minutes before birth. First the argument was about embryos, then the argument was about clumps of cells, then the argument was about killing actual babies. Next the Dems will want mothers to be able to kill babies a few weeks after birth, just so they can kick the tires and see if they have buyer's remorse. I wish people could figure out that the Dems don't care about pregnant women or babies, this is population control. Bill Gates is all for that.

If you kill a baby minutes before birth, you should get the death penalty. Decide on a reasonable amount of time to have an abortion, and then let's move on and stop beating this dead horse.

I was listening to an abortion doctor on TV. He said he's done hundreds if not thousands of abortions. Then one day that non-person kicked his hand with his foot. The doc said her burst out into tears, and will never do another abortion.

This is why even though I'm for early term abortions, I think the mother should be the one terminating the life of the fetus.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Exactly right lol

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks

[888theGreat]

I am against abortion but I am against executions. I think it is South Carolina saying killing a baby is wrong but killing the mother is ok.

[Opinion Owner]

South Carolina didn't say it's okay to kill a mother. They said it's okay to kill a murderer.

[Exterminatore]

Yup. That’s exactly where this is going. Left wing turds hate God and reading the Bible. The part in both Exodus with pharaoh murdering all the Hebrew infants and the part where Herod had all the children 2 and under murdered is their favorite part. That’s the only part of the Bible they like. They really get their rocks off on those parts.

I’m just waiting for them to suggest abortions can be performed on anyone 2 years old or younger.

[Opinion Owner]

@Exterminatore

That's coming.

[JustinTheGreat]

Girl nobody is out here aborting babies when they’re 9 months pregnant…

[Opinion Owner]

So Schumer isn't trying for it?

[JustinTheGreat]

I’m not sure exactly what Schumer said but usually people push abortions to be available during the late terms of pregnancy is just in case of medical reasons or the life of the mother is at risk during birth.
But nobody is gonna be pregnant for 8-9 months and then all the sudden change their mind like “oh actually, I don’t want this baby anymore, get rid of it”
Majority of abortions are done before 21 weeks (under 5 months) and only 1% are done afterwards.

[Opinion Owner]

@JustinTheGreat

Google is your friend. If you want to learn about Schumer, do it on your own. Schumer is the senate majority leader that is pushing for abortion right up until the time of birth. He's pure fucking evil, and most likely the spawn of Satan. Google it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRTnD7JEWQ

Watch which party loves killing babies.

[JustinTheGreat]

Did you not read the reason I wrote on why abortions are being pushed up until birth? lol
You’re trying to vilify women who get abortions while far into their pregnancy and Im saying that abortions at that time are not performed for no reason.
A woman should have the right to decide to abort her baby if that means saving her life. Even if that means it’s at the 9 month mark 🤷‍♂️

[Opinion Owner]

@JustinTheGreat

Arguing on a site like this is stupid. I had a moronic woman earlier disagree with me about something that has happened in politics. I asked her what she would do if she was in charge. The moron said that she wasn't in charge. I asked her how the problem should be solved, and she said she doesn't do hypothetical questions.

I struggle with this, because I have a high IQ. I'm not really used to dealing with morons. Are you capable of hypothetical questions, or are you the same as her?

[JustinTheGreat]

Depends what the question is lol.

[monorprise]

A baby is an unique individual human the moment their DNA is successfully formed at conception.

There is nothing unique about the early term as to grant them anymore a human status entitled to the right to life.

I don't think South Carolina would apply the death plenty for those who intentionally kill such people. However if that is how South Carolina punish any other form of murder how it is just our smallest and most innocent of life get any less a protection than our oldest ad least innocent?

[Opinion Owner]

@monorprise

A guy posted a question on this site about how Jane Fonda said that people against abortion, should be murdered. I said that Jane should be abordered. The retard mods deleted my post, but let the murder post, remain.

[Datboi65]

I'm gonna be honest. As a man who tends to lean far more towards traditionalist ideals I think that this is rather extreme. The death penalty should only be reserved for the act of killing a human outside of the womb. While I do strongly agree that abortion should be banned, I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere as to how we want to approach the punishment aspect of it all. As far as a fetus is concerned, it's a living being but it's undergoing stages of development so there should be a punishment but perhaps not as severe as the death penalty. I would say perhaps a 10 year sentence may seem fair given the scope of the situation, but I would not go to the length of saying that a death penalty is at all permitted in that situation.

Also, I think we need to find out a way to bring back marrying before carrying because I'm not sure if the punishment alone would be enough to stop that from happening. People need to learn that life can be a lot better for them if they don't go down the path of degeneracy and have a child with the first person that fall in love with, rather be smart enough to understand that the only way someone can have stability is if they vet their partner before they commit to them and marry someone who shares their values in life and then have a child with them only after having been an a stable and healthy marriage for at least 2 years. We need to start teaching people how to do what we promote for them to do, rather than sign bills that enact punishment on them without explaining to them how to get to that better spot. I'm a firm believer in that there are folks who want to do better but don't really know where to start. However, those who don't want to improve and want to keep contributing to the problem can definitely go to jail without any sympathy from me.

[Guy13]

South Carolina's death penalty for Abortion and prison for those Accessories to the Fact is sound as abortion itself is Crimes against Humanity and Nature. Both fluids have full genetic helix/code, therefore, Identity. In the Womb, two fluids conjoin and a new Life is made. A new Life is at Conception inside the Womb. The Womb and Planned Parenthood facilities are the Crime Scenes

To kill a defenseless being, especially by the one who is in charge of his/her protection, is wrong. Such an unrighteous First Kill is equivalent to a War Crime as demonstrated by the Putin (s), Hitler, Stalin, and Mao (s) of the world. Ukraine was subsisting with in its Borders or Womb and was unconscionably attacked for Existing or Being.

We have Intelligently Designed and Creator given abilities to innately know right and wrong when it occurs, as well as, to choose or choose not Good. Consequences are... Every Effect (Abortion) has a Cause (Human Choice) and by default Consequence (One who kills deserves to Die). Forgiveness does not mean one does not die. A freed soul is much more important than a dead body.

[hIopinionated_]

I think in no time slavery and public lynchings will be legal and celebrated again. Starting in the southern states again then southerners traveling to blue states to kidnap people and enslave them as they once did. All of this will happen gradually just as police brutality is ignored and encouraged, next thing you know everything that’s progressed in society will crease to exist. There will be resistance, as there always is but the divided states will be too far gone but maybe fixable in a couple thousand centuries


Same issue with gender equality. Sexism is accepted and normalized. Gender roles are seen as normal as well even though it hurts women. It is literally seen that if a woman doesn’t follow what traditions have set out for her (which is to submit to men, stay silent, have babies with his surname, and cook), she deserves to be disrespected, treated horribly, rped, assaulted, tortured, etc. So legally allowing murder on women who’s controlling her body would be easy to do since so many atrocities is already inflicted, even encouraged on women


Same thing with sexual orientation equality and marriage between people of different races. These are currently still fights in 2023 so when laws are presented such as “can’t marry or date this race” it will be seen as normal, again


They are doing this on purpose to prepare for what they really want: slavery of the inferior race, slavery of the inferior gender, slavery of the inferior sexual orientation, slavery of the inferior enemy in other countries, etc. This is all a test to get what they really want and they are succeeding because half the country is shi and the Supreme courts, the most powerful part of government is a scam


As a result, all normal folks are fcked

[gorydetails]

lol.

[Kessia99]

But the vast majority of the country support abortion rights and gay marriage

[gorydetails]

@Kessia99 she's just being melodramatic. She spends too much time on leftist websites.

[hIopinionated_]

@Kessia99 You are right but does it look like that matters when abortion rights was handed off to states to decide what a woman can and cannot do with her body? Did it look like it matter if the population voted blue, extending past red voters when a Republican seems to STILL become made president? Of course most people are normal but again, the Supreme court is a scam

No worries though. They count on hopeful people like you believing nothing insane like this will never happen. It’s literally happening now with the overturn of Roe, women, again, not having control of her own bodies

[hIopinionated_]

@gorydetails You people’s manipulation tactic doesn’t work on me. How about get off kkk fox News, touch grass, care about the lives of other people, read some government books (and don’t only care about yourself), recognize who’s fighting for and opposing which anti human laws, comprehend what they mean, and maybe go back to grade school so you’ll really get it.

This would be a good start

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ are you an NPC character? Because nothing you typed used any thought, just regurgitated scripts.

[888theGreat]

It would be wrong , but I don;t see slavery connection , even though slavery still exists today in parts of the world

[hIopinionated_]

@gorydetails again with the manipulation tactic but I’ll bite just for fun, what is npc character and what are their scripts

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ An NPC is a background character in a video game who just spouts the same lines over and over again. There’s zero evidence of any claim you made, you are repeating what you see on social media with no thought behind it. I really weep for how twisted your brain is from propaganda.

[hIopinionated_]

@888theGreat Now I would believe that if inmates weren’t dying at a high rate in holding and prison as we speak. Especially considering these people are vulnerable and made threat free. I’ll also believe that if cops weren’t murdering people every single day and innocent people weren’t rotting in prison right now

This type of thing isn’t new. During the Jim Crow era, the way police treated human beings were worse (of course) but still the same sentiment: abuse, murder, rpe, dehumanize, etc. people whom they seen as less. This thing with the police has been happening for decades now

[hIopinionated_]

@gorydetails So instead of taking a look at reality and acknowledging the truth, you’ll rather be willingly ignorant. . Sounds like a nice to way live honestly. I would LOVE to pretend sexism doesn’t exist even though I experience it every single day. Wow, that would make me psychotic as fuc to pretend though lol

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ yes, I’m sure that when you have made yourself a perpetual victim, you can see how everyone is out to get you. What is it today? The wage gap?

[hIopinionated_]

@gorydetails A victim can’t pretend to be a victim. A victim is just a victim. That’s it and I shouldn’t have to educate you on common sense. If you actually want to learn something, do your own research or pay me to do it for you. Other than that, sexist/racist/ homophobic/etc people like you are irrelevant to me. I don’t owe lost causes anything but the exact treatment you give to others you feel are below you

[gorydetails]

So, is the wage gap real?

[Datboi65]

"I think in no time slavery and public lynchings will be legal and celebrated again. Starting in the southern states again then southerners traveling to blue states to kidnap people and enslave them as they once did."

As a representative of the Black community, this white woman has certainly lost her damn mind.

I don't care what sjw rabid whole you've been going on, but don't you DARE bring up what my ancestors have had to go through in relation to modern day events no matter how significant they may seem. These leftist white women aren't being hung from trees, tortured, beat and legally r*ped in front of their husbands like what our people have had to go through. This is why you people struggle to find allies in our communities because you CONSISTENTLY overstep your boundaries.

You want to raise light on an issue? There's a better approach that doesn't include comparing it to CHATTEL SLAVERY.

[Exterminatore]

If gender is fluid, how is there a wage gap?

Traveling to blue states - that was where slavery was. The north was all Republican. Lincoln was a Republican. You do know that don’t you? Of course you don’t.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore You know I really don't like defending crazy liberals, but that was one of the dumbest things I've heard.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out that Lincoln's Republican party and today's Republicans are NOT the same. This is why you say Southern Republicans carrying the Confederate flag. Why would someone who believes in the same values as Lincoln - who freed the slaves - proudly carry a flag of a failed nation that tried to keep slavery ALIVE? Because both parties SWITCH POLARITY. Stop bragging about the past accomplishments of Republicans when you don't even believe in their ideals, you more likely resemble those ideals of the Democrats before they switched polarity in the 20th century.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Also just like I told her, if you want to get your point across DO NOT bring up slavery for comparison. Nothing that you go through in 2023, I don't care how bad it is, NOTHING is as bad as slavery.

Stick to the point and don't compare it to something else, especially not as bad as slavery.

[hIopinionated_]

@Datboi65 what white woman exactly? See the issue here is people like you having no idea the similarities between sexism and racism. And I’m pretty sure for obvious reasons, you simply don’t care for women’s rights. I addressed more than racism in my comment, practically everything majorly wrong with society: sexism, racism, homophobia.

If someone like you don’t see the issue here, which you obviously don’t with your ‘leftist white woman’ claim, you’re obviously apart of the problem. You’re with the Trumptards who happily use the likes of you to diminish equality for everyone else including yourself

[hIopinionated_]

@Exterminatore oh for freak sakes at least read a history book or take history 101 before before spurring that bs lol. There were not ONE republicans party just as there weren’t just two major political parties. Read about the ideology party switch you dimwits never seem to admit.

You can’t manipulate an educated person

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ Still waiting to hear how an educated person that you’ve claimed to be so many times describes the gender wage gap. Does it exist? What does it mean?

[ChefPapiChulo]

Those states are very backwards I completely agree. I have visited the south. It’s in complete poverty and ruins. I can only imagine how poor the schools are there.

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo Oh next time you come down please swing by so we can hang out. I’d love to run my finger through those luscious locks of yours.

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi65

I don’t agree with you at all. At that time Republicans we’re the ones pushing for change. Just look at the voting percentage in congress for both freeing the slaves and granting them the right to vote. Nearly every Republican at the time voted in favor of those. Nearly every democrat did not.

Are surveying how many republicans are carrying confederate flags? How do you know what they are. You do know many in the south see that flag as a cultural symbol of southern pride. None the less I think it’s stupid. The men who fought for that flag, fought for slavery, so they should find a different flag. I am 100% anti woke. The one and only one thing I do agree with them doing is having statutes to confederates taken down. The confederates essentially fought a revolution in order to keep slaves. They were defeated. Their cause was not honorable and so they should have died and been buried without memorializing their war deeds. Only the union side should be memorialized.

I don’t buy the polarity switch argument. It’s no different now than then. Democrats simply discriminate against straight white men, instead of blacks as they seek to pander for votes and engage in abject racism. I know you probably feel ashamed of the Democrats due to their past and should, but it really doesn’t change anything.

In regards to you telling me not to mention slavery. No sir. I’ll mention any subject I care to. I have the right to freedom of speech and do exercise it.

I can see you have a great amount of black pride. That’s fine, but you need to stop pretending like slavery was the worse evil in the world. I’m not saying it was good. I’m not saying it wasn’t awful. I am saying it doesn’t even rank as the worst thing ever done in this country. At least Africans got to be slaves. Look at what happened to some Indian tribes. They were outright killed. Guess who helped kill some of them? Buffalo Soldiers - previously black slaves and victims of slavery helped commit genocide.

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi65

I’m sick of this notion that only whites people can be racists. That white peoples are the oppressors of all other races, and that blacks are the sentinels of virtue and can never be racist.

Some of the newly freed blacks went on to help commit genocide against different colored brown skin people and steal their land. That’s a segment I don’t hear anyone talking about.

Doesn’t fit the narrative.

Blacks are not even the only group to experience mistreatment in this country. The Irish and Italians faced major amounts of persecution and discrimination. They just weren’t slaves. It’s really a turn off when people do not know history and cry as if blacks are the sole group who were mistreated in America, all while overlooking some of them participating in a genocide and the theft of land.

[Exterminatore]

@hlop

You are educated all right. With Misinformation.

Sure there was the Federalist Party, the bull moose party. None of whom put up presidential candidates. Lincoln defeated Stephan Douglas a democrat to become president.

You’re just so into your woke left wing ideology and have been indoctrinated that you not only don’t know actual history, you don’t even know what happened in this matter.

The Republican Party is called the GOP standing for Grand OLD Party. Old. Old. Old. The Republican Party of today is the same of Lincoln. Not some other group also calling themselves republicans. Yes, primarily this has always been a 2 party system. Then like now there were other parties and then like now they were largely marginalized.

Not buying the ideology switch. That’s an argument used to separate the shameful past from the present.

Also, you never answered my question.

If gender is fluid, how is there a wage gap?

[Datboi65]

You're no better than white supremacists. There's no link between racism and sexism, they are two completely separate problems. This is not only insensitive, but extremely offensive to those of us who face racism consistently which is potentially fatal, will you get to enjoy white privilege. White women weren't stolen on boats, tortured, pillaged, hung from trees or turned into slaves doing unpaid labor. You made the biggest mistake so-called "allies" make by lumping us all together. Black people are NOT your comparison tool. Our struggles are in every field of life, from social to economic to medical to judicial and so on. You simply cannot compare your inability to do abortion with police violence against Black men and women, or "mansplaining" to whitewashing our history. Most of your issues can be explained in separate terms WITHOUT bringing up struggles of Black folks because white women know how to be victims, until it's time to be white again.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore OK, where do I even start?

Let's begin with your most ridiculous comment yet, "you need to stop pretending like slavery was the worse evil in the world". How do you like it if I put you in chains and sold you to someone who looks like me where your freedom, bodily autonomy and right to live was taken away from you for GENERATIONS OF YOUR OFFSPRING, and then justified through the Bible? How would you feel if I stripped you from your mother language and birth name and gave you a foreign name that you didn't approve of, and then whipped you everytime you referred to yourself with your original name? How would you feel if I violated your woman right in front of your eyes and there wasn't a GODDAMN thing you could do about it, but if you even dare looked at mine you could be hung from a tree? How would you feel if everytime you built something of substance for your people, I brought an angry mob and burnt that whole project down for no apparent reason? How would you feel if I did ALL of this, and then denied that it even happened in the first place? And then made it seem like telling the truth is some sort of "woke anti-white agenda"?

Who exactly are you fooling with this madness? I can care less about your freedom of speech, it doesn't stop me from criticizing ridiculous ideas. Nobody said the government should arrest you for saying what you said, but you bet your top dollar I will light a fire under your ass for disrespecting my ancestors like that.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Secondly, the Republicans of that time were Liberals. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. Google is free. I'm not a liberal by any means, I'm probably more conservative than you are. However, I care about the objective truth, not subjective opinions. Southerners are mostly white conservatives, so that shows you who they vote for. The Democrats of that time whether you like it or not where white conservatives. That's not my opinion, it's the truth. You're not gonna gaslight us into believing your revisionist history propaganda by saying that the people who stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th cared about Black people. Those were the descendents of the same folks who fought to keep slavery alive in the south.

May be you don't like the Confederates, but they do. Defending them by claiming that it's a sign of "heritage" is delusional at best, and enabler at worst. You enable their right to practice white supremacy as you believe they shouldn't be checked for the madness they do. I wonder why that is? Is it because you secretly want to participate? I don't see you say the same thing about the RBG flag, but when it's your beloved Southerners then it's a "heritage thing". So now a racial segregationist in SA can carry the apartheid flag and that would be heritage? What about Rohdesia? Only when white folks do it it's OK.

Bare in mind, I have no connection to Joe Biden or Democrats. I'm politically independent, socially conservative. You're never gonna be able to use the "loyal black democrat" argument around me ever.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore You can be sick of something, but that doesn't mean that it's not TRUE. White folks did what they did. You cannot erase history. Your present day behavior as a group dictates if people are gonna be forgiving towards you (the group) or if they are gonna hate you even more. The way I see things, it's not looking good at all.

The whole "newly freed black soliders" bs lie again. Black people fought for immigrants rights to come to America. Black people protested against the Japanese internment camps. Black people AS A GROUP have a history of standing in solidarity with every other minority group in the country over their individual struggles. What did we get out of that? Nothing. However, that's besides the point. My current focus now is white folks.

If I go by your claim (which is cherry picked at best and inaccurate at worst) then who was the leader of these operations? Did these so-called newly freed soliders fight for their own cause, or did they not do so for the white man? If you dig deep into every source of repression, you will always find the white man and the white woman.

The Italians. What about them? They sure were discriminated against, just like the Irish and the Scottish or the Germans. In no way shape or form were they subjected to the same level of brutality and mistreatment as Black people. Today if you ask all of them, they identify as WHITE.

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi

I’m not going to respond to most of what you said.

I will say this though. Wasn’t it MLK who said: “I hade a dream, that one day, my 4 little children will grow up in a country where they are not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character” ?

And here you just said: “if you dig deep into every source of repression, you will always find the white man and the white woman.”

Really bro?

So you sit her and whine and cry about imaginary racism while you’re willing to judge white people by skin color and not content of character.

Have you never heard of the white slaves who were sold in the markets of Constantinople? Are you trying to tell me that every race and creed of people on this earth hasn’t oppressed someone else.

This is exactly why no one takes people with your views seriously. Because you engage in the sane racism you claim others have and don’t even know history.

Then you mentioned white people needing the forgiveness of blacks?

What diluted and warped logic. I didn’t own slaves. I didn’t draft segregation laws, I didn’t sick dogs or turn firehoses on anyone. I have committed no crimes or misdeeds against 1 black person, let alone the entire race of blacks. I’m not asking for your forgiveness and I don’t want it. I’ll ask forgiveness for what I have done personally.

It is you who needs forgiveness for being a racist, and for implying white people by nature are oppressive, and for thinking white people, most of whom had nothing to do with any of this need the forgiveness of blacks.

Then you mention your ancestors, well guess what? 3 or my white oppressive ancestors fought on the union side to end slavery.

You speak with passion about the evils of slavery in America, and to be sure it was evil. However you speak as if you experienced these things yourself.

Then you try to make excuses and pawn off the personal culpability of the Buffalo Soldiers. How about this: everyone is responsible for themselves

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi

Everyone is responsible for their choices. “I was just doing my duty” was no kind of acceptable answer for Nazi war crimes and it isn’t with this either.

But you don’t like history that destroys your narrative of how white people are oppressive and blacks are never racist. If you want to see a racist, look in the mirror pal.

Oh how passionate you are about living in the past. Slavery occurred to your 3rd great grandfathers generation. NOT YOU. You are entitled to no apology from anyone living, and you were not the victim of the crime. You are entitled to no reparations. Restitution is for the actual victim of a crime, not the whiny descendants of victims.

I’m sure I didn’t make a dent here did I? Blacks collectively reenforce to each other that there is rampant racism everywhere and they are persecuted in America. They are not. My suggestion to you and the majority of blacks collectively is to stop living in the past. What’s done is done. It can’t be fixed and perpetuating a constant belief that every bad thing that blacks experience is due to racism is pure BS.

Who is responsible for you sir? You are and no one else. We reap what we sew. Do we not? Is your life not what you have made of it? Shall we blame white people for all problems blacks face or is it time to take responsibility and accountability for your lives collectively as now you have more advantages than ANY other race in America.

This is why few can take people with your racist views seriously.

The racist who crises about racism.

Is nothing sacred anymore? Is there no limit to this hypocrisy?

[hIopinionated_]

@ChefPapiChulo Sir I live in Texas. People are burning books, banning educational books, and government officials are changing history, taking parts of history out of education, and not teaching its students enough important aspects of life. I’m 28, been in Texas my entire life and I’ve been learning so much out of school that I ever did while in school. It’s a joke here and I’m sure in other southern states it’s the same thing considering they keep fighting progressive laws and taking people’s rights away

I cannot wait to move up state, to a blue state

[hIopinionated_]

ChefPapiChulo I think the gory person threatened you. He said “hang” out. Coincidence much

[ChefPapiChulo]

i feel bad that you have to live in a state like texas. what a horrible place to live.

[ChefPapiChulo]

yes he stalks me. its scary.

[hIopinionated_]

@Exterminatore what is with the history lesson? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. All I did was mentioned a simple fact that there not only TWO political in the past (which was relevant to the conversation) then somehow you felt the need to what? Talk talk talk about something specific that has nothing to do with the topic at hand

Also, again, if you actually cared about facts you would do your own research or pay someone to do it for your lazy self

[hIopinionated_]

@ChefPapiChulo Trust me lol. I feel sorry for me as well. However, I’ll be moving soon

[ChefPapiChulo]

So happy for you. You deserve better.

[hIopinionated_]

@ChefPapiChulo thank you. Every normal person deserves better definitely

[Exterminatore]

@hi

I want talking to I was talking to datboi.

Tell me I need to get educated whine you’re claiming northern states were blue at the time of the civil war and that there was more than one Republican Party. Lmao!

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ you seem very upset that they are banning porn in school libraries. IS there a reason you want children reading porn?

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ I saw chef choo choo first. Keep your mitts off him

[ChefPapiChulo]

Couldn’t agree more.

[888theGreat]

That is the Houston and Dallas district. Liberals change history or leave out history. Liberals also tear down historical statues because they can't handle the truth and want to change history.

[888theGreat]

@ChefPapiChulo What a great state. Freedom of expression. Free market economy. Freedom of speech. Common sense. Protection of Children. Right to have guns. Freedom of religion. You have none of these in California and Blue states.

[hIopinionated_]

@Extermintatore Goodness you’re so stupid, not even worth responding to. AGAIN, pea size brain, I said there were not only two major political parties (as there are TODAY). I didn’t even mention republicans or democrats. How are you not comprehending that? Then you ‘lmao’ as if you’re smart☠️

[hIopinionated_]

@gorydetails Amazing way of deflecting lol. Very very telling considering I never mentioned porn and children in any sentence or word during this entire conversation. Now how about YOU tell ME why “porn and children” (in the same sentence) is on YOUR mind. And make sure you’re typing with both hands this time yeah

[gorydetails]

@hIopinionated_ I'm still waiting to hear your enlightened thoughts on the wage gap.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Remember how all of this started, ot was that leftist girl and YOU who brought up slavery. I came at you with full force over the ignorant claims that today's Republicans are descents of those who fought against the Confederacy (lie). When I checked you on it, you then said that the Southern Republicans who carry Confederate flags should be allowed their first ammendment rights due to "heritage" which I never said that they should be thrown in prison for, but I have every right to hate them with every bone in my body. You defending those miserable fucks set off this chain reaction.

Then you started deflecting by saying that "slavery isn't the worst thing that happened" and that "freed Black soliders carried out genocide" and more bs claims that have no merit. Why will I not be enraged? I never said I'm a "victim" of anything. I'm a high-achieving student and I come from an upper-middle class family due to my parents both working in the health-care field. However, I will not let you LIE about our history and get away with it. I told you before that what decides forgiveness isn't events of the past, it's the events of the PRESENT. Modern day white people have not shown us they are any morally better than their ancestors. Recently a man in Mississippi by the name of Rasheem Carter was found with his head SEVERED by a group of white men from a lynching. They found what was present of his remains and his skull was at a different place from the rest of his body. Bare in mind, in America there's no ANTI LYNCHING LAW.

abc7chicago.com/.../

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi

Doesn’t change the fact your a racist crying about racism.

I never defended anyone carrying Confederate flags. I simply explained that it’s a cultural thing. I even stated monuments to Confederates should be torn down as they engaged in an armed revolution and their cause was not honorable.

Buffalo soldiers:

American Plains Indians who fought against these soldiers referred to the black cavalry troops as "buffalo soldiers" because of their dark, curly hair, which resembled a buffalo's coat and because of their fierce nature of fighting.

That’s an excerpt from the article I’ll link below this:

www.nps.gov/.../buffalo-soldiers.htm

Now, would it be fair to say that the US government effectively nearly committed genocide against some tribes? Yes. Would it be fair to say that in some instances of the US fighting various tribes, that it was an unjustified war of aggression, and was for the wrongful acquisition of land? Yes.

Did the blacks known as Buffalo Soldiers participate in those unjustified wars of aggression to acquire land for the U. S. government? Yes. Therefore they also participated in the near genocide of some tribes, right along with the white soldiers? Yes? Yes!

So yeah, sorry. You’re wrong. Former black slaves did participate in war crimes and atrocities against some tribes. They did so willingly, they are culpable for their deeds, and therefore responsible for their role in said land unjustly acquired for the US government and for their roles in an unjustified war of aggression against some tribes, and for whatever war crimes they committed in doing so, or for aiding and abetting the white troops in doing so.

Now that you know the truth, be sure to mention this next Feb for Black History month while you go about your racism against white people while you cry about being the victim of racism.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Datboi65 look at his profile pic. roman symbolism is used by white supremacist.

[Exterminatore]

I’m not asking for your forgiveness nor from any black people. Again, people are to be judged on the basis of things THEY DID, not on the deeds of ancestors, and not on the deeds of other members of their race.

So I’m not sorry, it will be over my dead body I ask for forgiveness and I’m not apologizing for anything any one of any race did. I didn’t do it. I don’t support it, and I’m not responsible.

Again, the racist asking for an apology while he engages in racism himself. That’s called hypocrisy sir.

I also don’t hear you thanking any whites people for all the white soldiers who died, were wounded, or suffered fighting to free black slave.

That’s your logic. Thank me for something my great, great great grandfather, uncles did. Same way you want an apology from whites for something simply members of their race did.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Also, keep MLK's name out of your filthy mouth. MLK was the last man to advocate for ignorance in telling Black history. MLK did not advocate for his name to be used as an excuse whenever a white supremacy enabler wanted to get in some "colorblind kumbaya" discourse with Black folks about how they are the intolerant once when the conversation is originally about anti-black racism. MLK also said Blacks have the riots are the language of the unheard and today those same fools that qoute him would probably call him a "BLM terrorist" for justifying riots as a response to the killing of Black folks. Do you think that all White folks supported MLK? Did you not know that the FBI came after him, and that he was arrested? That he was assassinated by a white man? Are we just gonna ignore that part of his autobiography? Why do you cherry-pick which quotes you want to use from Black Civil Rights leaders and leave out the rest.

Also, MLK wasn't the only man known for fighting for Black Civil Rights, a the Civil Rights movement began long before the 60s. Blacks had to protest the unfair treatment in the US MILITARY before there was any integration at the social level. It was those veterans that fought in the 1st and 2nd world wars that pushed very hard for the bill to be signed in 1948. Did you ask them if their philosophy was catering to white people? I mean seriously, white kind of nonsense excuses are you throwing?

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Also, the Slavs were enslaved by the Ottomans, not by Black people. That's not relevant to this discussion. It's like saying telling mice that cats eat fish too so they shouldn't complain about being hunted by a cat. It's extremely foolish and irrelevant. Did you know that the Ottomans did not have CHATTEL slavery? Keyword, C H A T T E L. I know you're a bit slow, so I will explain what it means. It's a form of slavery where the enslaved is seen as an item no different than livestock, rather than a human who is enslaved. Unlike in other forms of slavery where the captors are POWs, in chattel slavery there doesn't have to be a war going on and the enslaved entire line of descendants are born into slavery unless they "buy their freedom". They cannot integrate into society because they are property, they cannot marry within the society or even marry within themselves. Their children are sold and the family is separated. They were cross-bred like animals and it was done without consent.
The Slavs didn't go through any of this. They weren't subjected to the same level of brutality as American slavery, so once again you've shown us how ignorant you are.

I don't personally care when you call me a racist, because I know it doesn't hit the same vs when I say it to you considering what your kind has done to every group on Earth. Our history was never linked to the abuse of Whites or Arabs or Indeginous or Asians, we have done nothing to harm any other group structurally and systemically en mass, so you have no foot to stand on when it comes to calling others racist. Sit down sir.

White people are the most evil race that God ever created.

[Exterminatore]

@chef

Are you calling me a white supremacist? I just want to be clear here.

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi

I know exactly what chattel slavery is and frankly don’t care. Slavery is slavery. The Roman system of slavery was far more brutal. Same with the Vikings. I don’t get all emotional about it.

What is it you want me to say? You want me to say that blacks suffered more in their slavery than anyone else? I won’t case it’s not true and I’m not going to indulge in your being over emotional about it. It’s not slavery you’re upset about. It’s that blacks were slaves. That’s as far as your empathy extends on that matter.

Gengus Khan killed so many people he actually lowered CO2 on the earth. Talk about going green. He didn’t bother enslaving. He just raped and killed and tortured for fun. At least the blacks who sold other blacks to white slave traders sold them into slavery instead of just torturing them for fun. At least they got to live. Unlike the victims of the Mongols. So tell me all about how blacks have suffered more than anyone else while you have your self pity party for events that happened 160-350 years ago.

[Exterminatore]

The Jews were held as slaves in Egypt for 450 years give it take. Must have been a real pleasure cruise compared to the slavery blacks in America endured.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Slavery isn't just slavery, there are levels. Once again, ignorant and unattentive. Just say you have a short-attention span and I might go easy on you.

POWs are prisoners of war. A prisoner of war can work within a system to be promoted and eventually integrated through marriage. That was practiced in African society.

If you wanna go with the exodus of "jews were slaves in ancient Egypt" then you need to check the timeline. Pyramids were built in 2550 to 2490 BC, long before the Jews were in Ancient Egypt. That cannot suggest that it was their label that built it, since there at least was over 1200 years years difference between the completion of the pyramids and their migration to Egypt. Once again, making baseless claims that you cannot support with evidence.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Ghenkis Khan is not Black, so once again he is not my discussion. Why is this was so difficult for you to understand? We are comparing what Black people did vs what White people did. You raped every group on the face of this Earth, don't bring up Ghenkis Khan or the Ottomans.

This how how petty you are. Someone points out slavery, you are more interested in the "Africans that sold their people" not like there was also a lot of resistance and that some of the tribal kings were later captured by WHITES and sold into slavery. You conveniently leave that part out again.

C'mon, compare us to you. Stop bringing up other groups. What have Black people done that White folks haven't? If you can't find any, don't complain about your terrible image.

[Exterminatore]

@Datboi

NO…that’s what you are discussing. That’s all you can seem to grasp. The racism that existed in America against blacks, and the whites who did it.

I’m trying to get you to understand that BLACKS ARE NOT THE ONLY RACE OR PEOPLE GROUP TO HAVE BEEN ENSLAVED OR HAD ATROCITIES COMMITTED AGAINST THEM. BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE ONLY VICTIMS ON THIS PLANET. THAT RACISM, SLAVERY AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS HAVE GONE ON ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY, AND EVERY PLACE ON EARTH.

But all you can see is blacks were done wrong by whites.

What part of this do you not understand?

You mentioned the Bible. Are you calling God a liar and saying the Jews were not slaves in Egypt? Your problem here is you cannot and will not be objective. I never said one word about them building pyramids. You did, and if you think that’s all a slave could possibly be building at any time in Egypt’s history it shows a lack of critical thinking.

You don’t seem to understand that ALL people have sinned. All races. That the source of slavery and atrocities is primarily the result of sin and the depravity man is born into under original sin. That it’s not the evil white people that oppressed the morally pure and just and all righteous black people, but that every nation and creed and race has done horrible things to others. EVERY ONE of them.

Had I noticed you called me a white supremacy enabler I would have ended this conversation. You are a black narcissism and supremacy enabler and a racist.

I’m done. Reply if you want. I’m not responding.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore I take it back, you're not an enabler, you're a full blown racist.

Every race has done bad stuff, bit some have done FAR WORSE. You cannot sit here and talk about "survival of the fittest" and then turn around and quote MLK about getting along with all races, that's just not how it works. You either A) believe in that all horrible things done to other groups in the name of dominance were justified or B) believe that bad things that were done were not at all justified.

White people used the Bible to justify chattel slavery, even though you are supposed to give slaves humane treatment. Not that it matters to you. Most white churches today practice white supremacy.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Also, I know what I said about the Jews in ancient Egypt. I was using it in context to refer to another lie used by white supremacists that the Jews did the grueling work to build the pyramids. Now that we have got that one out of the way, the claim is not 350 years like you mentioned, rather that they were in slavery for a period of 430 years. However, for most accounts only 2 to 3 generations are mentioned which is not equivalent to 430 years in captivity. Regardless of the fact, I do concede that it did happen. One crucial factor that you missed is that after their liberation, they left the land of their oppressor and moved back to a land were they were able to start their kingdom. Is that even possible today after the creation of nation-states? Black Americans wish to return to the motherland will have to deal with bureaucracy and EU intervention in African affairs. It's the same story again in a different setting.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Once again fool, all people have sinned but your people are the worst sinners. You have attacked every race on Earth, not just Black folks but you have some serious guts to be sitting down in front of your keyboard complaining about a Black man calling you out on your fake outrage. You backstabbed the native Indians that fed you and gave you shelter, only for you to murder them in cold blood. Who does that? You stole a group that had nothing to do with you to another continent while 70M of them perished in the journey to the "new world" and then subjugated them and their descendants to some of the worst evil known to man. Who does that? You banned an entire group (Asians) from migrating to the land you stole for over a 100 years, and when they were finally allowed you beat them into submission. Who does that? Your people tried to exterminate and entire race of humans (the Nazis in WWII) and the allies were not much better, the raped close to 1 million German women and created many bastard children as a result. This practice continued after the 2nd world war into the Korean war, the Vietnam War and even in Iraq. Who does that? Out of all the bad things your people have done, even as recent as the lynching I mentioned, you have zero right to say anything about racism. God will make your ancestors answer for their horrible misdeeds

[gorydetails]

@Datboi65 you’re an anti whitest fuck. You’re every bit as evil as you’re condemning others for being.

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails "Anti-white" lmao. You want to be a victim SO BAD. You people are the most morally corrupt group, you don't get to tell others they are evil.

[Exterminatore]

@gorydetails

I won’t talk to him anymore. I should have stopped conversing with him long ago. You can’t have a logical conversation with an illogical person.

Look at his last messages. “You” betrayed the Indians…nope, sorry I wasn’t alive in 1600 when the pilgrims came. “Your people” tried to exterminate the Jews. I’m not even German nor do I have German ancestry.

People like him are so morally diluted they can’t even reason anymore.

Frigging hilarious. The abject and unashamed racist crying about racism.

We as Americans should no longer tolerate people like this to have a voice.

He mentioned blacks wanting to go back to the mother land. Good. We should help him do that and all who think like him.

I bet he doesn’t even know which African tribe his ancestors were a member of. He’d be perfectly fine just displacing who is over there currently and be perfectly fine feeling entitled to do so because his ancestors came from there 350 years ago.

Surprisingly I’m fine with that. Let the Africans deal with these people. I’m sick of them being in my midst. Sick of having to hear them. People like him who admit ti growing up in an upper middle class household and then playing the victim. They think being a fake victim makes them mentally superior.

Seriously I don’t know whether to laugh or be irritated with them.

[gorydetails]

@Exterminatore He’s absolutely welcome to head back to Wakanda or whatever he thinks it’s like in Africa.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@gorydetails sounds like ur education system wasn't very good.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore You can't claim individuality when white supremacy benefits you. You're part of a COMMUNITY and the COMMUNITY acts as the unit, not the individual. This is why we look at graphs for populations, not at anecdotes.

I mentioned the present. 44% of the exonerated for crimes they did not commit are Black. Black schools are not receiving the same amount of funding as white schools, and HBCU's have received the biggest slash of funding in a long time. There's no anti-lynching Bill and a man was decapitated in Mississippi, I just posted a link of that case. The Buffalo mass shooter targeted Black people. Dylan Roofe is another White supremacist that targeted Black people. Black folks face the most hate crimes in America, but there's no anti-hate crime bill for us. Not to mention police brutality and discrimination in medicine or at work. This is a GROUP effort, not individual.

You try to run away from the sins of your group by claiming your individuality. If you didn't commit any of what I mentioned, why are you complaining sir? It's the hit dogs that holler. I don't like leftists either, but one thing I can give them credit for is they know how to bite their tongue when I criticize something ridiculous that they do, without claiming that "I'm an individual" nonsense excuse.

"Let the Africans deal with these people" is what I was pointing out. You want to be an INDIVIDUAL, but want to refer to others as a GROUP and hence the term "these people" and not "him". That's exactly what I was referring to. You folks don't like Black people, so STOP HIDING IT. I know that you don't and I don't care, but stop lying to us and show us exactly where you stand without being a coward. No deflections, no lies, no bullshit.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore I didn't play victim in my life did I? I told you that my life isn't as hard as some other folks, but it doesn't negate what the GROUP goes through. You like to intentionally miss the point. You people like to claim individuality and project at others as groups. You want to call others victims, and then cry and complain like a victim when they call you out for your lack of accountability. Pathetic.

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails Give the land back to the natives you stole it from and head right the fuck back to Europe. Everyone should return their native land, how about that?

[Exterminatore]

@gorydetails

Yeah man, give the land back YOU stole.

Meanwhile datboi is fine to stay where he’s at.

Everyone should return to their native lands.

I sure hope you’re not of mixed European ancestry. I don’t know if I should go to Ireland, or Italy…maybe Scotland. This is gonna be a real problem when it goes down.

What will the mixed black/white people do? Africa or Europe…. decisions, decisions.

You know what, screw it. Let’s all go back to Mesopotamia.

Anyway, YOU give back the land YOU stole. datboi can just stay on the land he feels is also stollen though cause his ancestors were slaves 160 years ago or whichever entitled excuse he cares to use.

Judgment Day is gonna be a real issue for us whites. Since we shouldn’t be judged individually in this world or the next but as a community…. even if other whites are not part of our community, even if we don’t share their culture, heritage, language, or history…even if hundreds of years separate us from all other whites. Like datboi was so keen to point out. We’re a community. This is not an individual issue. We’re gonna have to answer to God for the Holocaust, and the KKK. Those of Mongol decent are gonna have a real problem on Judgement Day. Lots and lots of atrocities and wars of conquest there.

Datboi will have to answer for Idi Armin, the black moors who slaughtered and raped their way through Sicily and parts of southern Italy 1000 years ago…not to mention the same in Spain by black moors from roughly the year 700 - 1470.

It’s shocking to believe people with this guys mentality exist.

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore Once again fool, hit dogs holler. If you don't participate in today's system, why get offended? Yes, you will have to answer for what you did on the day of judgment. It may not be as much as someone else from your community did, but every contributing member will have to answer one way or another. In our judicial system there's a concept known as "felony murder" which basically means you get a full sentence if you were caught contributing to that murder within a group, even if you weren't the one who pulled the trigger.

I never said my people should stay, I was the one to give the idea that people should return. When it comes to mixed people, they can decide where they wanna go.

Also, you claim there's no such thing as white unity. Germans are different from the Caucasian Americans who are different from the Anglo-Saxons. Why is it then that they they complain about South African White being "mistreated" if there was no unity (when we all know that that's a lie). Why did America lay sanctions on Mugabe's government for taking back stolen land from White farmers in Zimbabwe, if there's no global White unity? Why are White countries so concerned with helping out Ukrainian refugees if there's no global White unity? Russia is hated, because they are off code (I don't support them either because it's not my business) but the point is that White people have a CODE of conduct that they follow globally. Therefore, they are not so different as they claim they are politically, not culturally.

Idi Amin never enslaved another group, that's an internal problem. Thr moors were an ethnically mixed group of Berbers, Blacks and Arabs and they were operating under the rule of the Caliphate, rather than the ones calling out the shots. Same with the "freed Black soliders" excuse that you tried to pull of before.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Datboi65 he has blind hatred.

[Datboi65]

@ChefPapiChulo It was probably taught. I personally wouldn't be surprised if there were some slave owners in his family tree.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Datboi65 most likely. i've found the most hateful/racist people on the internet live in southern states.

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo @Datboi65 there are daily flights out of the country since you both think it’s insufferable here.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@gorydetails lol we're winning the culture war.

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo wait. So you’re proud of a culture that sexually grooms children?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@gorydetails how many times a day do you say that lol?

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo how many times do you call someone a bot?

[grega239]

What stupidity is this?

Gender roles hurt women?

Have you ever been to a military graveyard?

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails That's funny to me. So you love it here, don't you? Why do you complain about wokeness then? Don't complain about a damn thing, if you do then you should leave as well.

Applying that logic tells me that I'm dealing with a moron.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Datboi65 ofc lol

[gorydetails]

@Datboi65 Wakanda forever!

[ChefPapiChulo]

@gorydetails you have such a poor view of things lol

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo We can’t all be genius chef’s who are sexy bitches

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails A mythical Wakanda over Nazi Germany or a Confederacy any day. No go be a good boy and burn some crosses like you always do.

[Datboi65]

*now

[gorydetails]

@Datboi65 I’m sure you can find a nice mud hut to live in when you head back.

[hIopinionated_]

@grega239 And? That is simply man’s doing. You totally proven my point by the way.

Have YOU seen the stats of violence and murder committed against women by men vs women committed to men? Pretty damn sure gender roles plays a part in that as well you spoiled brat

[grega239]

I have?
Have you seen the stats of male suicide because of women?

No they dont. Violence against women isnz part of any gender role

[ChefPapiChulo]

@grega239 because of women lol.

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails I'll take that over living in a cave like you neanderthals

[gorydetails]

@Datboi65 ok. Adios, then. Don't appropriate the white man's internet anymore, either.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Datboi65 he's literally taking credit for anything anyone ever did LOL. its a waste of time arguing with someone like this lol.

[gorydetails]

@ChefPapiChulo What part of the internet did you invent?

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails Don't appropriate the Black man's ambulance when you're about to die then fool.

[gorydetails]

@Datboi65 I go by limo.

[Exterminatore]

@chef

You are beyond a doubt one of the stupidest people on this site. You’re an agitator who can’t even extrapolate or articulate himself.

Unlike datboi who is completely misguided, warped and a racist. At least he can explain himself intelligibly and make his points.

I saw elsewhere you think you should receive slave reparations. The only thing you deserve is to be kicked in the balls.

I bet you can’t even tell me why you think what you do can you? You just read it on the internet and run with it.

Adults are talking, why do you go back to playing with your toys. It’s all you’re good for.

[Datboi65]

@gorydetails Good luck with that

[Datboi65]

@Exterminatore So I'm the racist now? 😂

Why don't you stop being a victim?

[Exterminatore]

Why don’t you go jerk chefpapichulo off?

When you’re done you can both go smoke a cigarette and tell each other how oppressed you are.

[hIopinionated_]

@grega239 So it’s women’s fault that men like you are whiny and suicidal because you can’t force women to have sex with you or marry/date you just to clean up after you and cook like some servant?

[ChefPapiChulo]

I think that just opens a whole can of worms lol.

[grega239]

@ChefPapiChulo why is thaz funny. Men can lose everything in a divorce

[hIopinionated_]

@ChefPapiChulo They seriously pretend they don’t see themselves. Their predictable manipulation tactics smh. Just mind blowing

[ChefPapiChulo]

The behavior is frightening.

[AsaKyo]

How about the death penalty for all the rapists who turn these women into mothers?

Or how about the death penalty for all the loser, deadbeat dads out here sitting on their asses not doing shit?

Why is it that women are looked at so horribly for getting abortions? I mean, if she got pregnant because of something that was entirely out of her hands, then why should she not be able to go through with her life without having that constant reminder?

There are lots of women out here who do not need to be mothers. And I don't know, what if she ends up having the baby and abuses it? Or she's one of those gross women who likes to bring a million different men around their kids and the kids end up being molested or something? A baby could go through SO MUCH more hell on Earth than just not being born. This is really some bullshit. Women should have the right to abort if they are raped or are CLEARLY unfit mothers.

[888theGreat]

You are probably describing half the men on here. Men in the bible were like that. "come here baby , bend over ", then they wanted her stoned for bending off like they told her.

[Exterminatore]

That’s BS. Rapes account for like 3% of abortions. The other 97% is almost all due irresponsibility. We all know how babies are made. If people are too lazy or irresponsible to use the roughly 17 different forms of birth control we have then they shouldn’t have sex.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Lol I like how you’re bringing rape into this even though its an extremely small minority of all abortions/pregnancies

[monorprise]

The rapist didn't kill the woman, if he did then he would get the same penalty.

Murder is murder no matter how small or innocent the victim.

[Brittanyroseee]

Ok still. Even if rapes account for 3% of abortions, banning abortion completely will ban abortion in cases of rape. Also, have you never thought of the amount of women who are assaulted, and instead of pressing charges they quietly get an abortion? maybe thats why only 3% are tracked.. most women probably keep the assault to themselves and just get the procedure done. Never thought of that?… why should a rape victim carry that constant reminder?… rape is already a brutal, disgusting, traumatic thing to happen. Forcing the victim to carry the spawn will cause more trauma and she probably would honestly commit suicide. Does her mental health not matter? Thank god im in California

[Brittanyroseee]

Im sorry but the rape victim matters more than that fetus. Her life, her mental health, should come first. Honestly not just for rape victims but women in general. Using abortion as birth control is one thing, but if a woman is using birth control, and gets pregnant, she should not be forced to sacrifice her body for it. Not all women who accidentally get pregnant, are at fault. There are literally people who use contraception and it fails. So you are gonna tell a married couple who don’t want kids, to stop having sex?… it’s not realistic

[TrueConfection]

I wouldn't move out of SC if I lived there, but I don't agree with this law. Many young women are coerced into aborting their babies. Their hormones are raging, they are confused and uncertain, and some (seemingly) loving women will comfort them and tell them that abortion is somehow "mercy" and the best thing to do for their baby. Those women go through a lifetime of shame and regret.

I realize there are many women who celebrate abortion and use it as a form of birth control. They deserve whatever Hell awaits them, but I don't agree with this proposed law.

[888theGreat]

So you are against abortion over all?

[TrueConfection]

Yes, of course.

[888theGreat]

good

[TrueConfection]

Re: update

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5 NKJV

[monorprise]

If that be the case then having a law against such act is the best deference against such coercion.

If however you think the smallest and most innocent of victims deserve lesser protection of their little right to life than the oldest and lest innocent, at least make that case.

If murder deserves the death plenty in South Carolina then what justification is there for discriminating on the account of the age of the murdered?

[TrueConfection]

@monorprise You missed the point.

[misogynistic_pig]

Any measure that protects the life of a human being from its conception is something positive.

It is important to note that I am focused on protecting the life of the fetus, and any law that penalizes people who decide to terminate a pregnancy is a deterrent to prevent abortions from being performed.

[888theGreat]

Great but that would be taking another's life , mother is not protected

[OrallyFixated]

All you have to do now is explain how the death penalty works to protect the life of a human. 🫤
Or does your “pro-life” position only apply to some people?

[WindAtMyBack]

That would be the contradiction of the century. However saying the state is considering death penalty for abortion is overstating it, and probably downright incorrect.

First, it's been proposed which does mean it's seriously being considered. It's a fairly small minority who proposed it.

Second, as near as I can tell, there is nothing in the bill about the death penalty. Not all homicide qualifies for the death penalty. Only specified homicide can get the death penalty.

Third, I haven't seen such extreme bias in the media in a very long time. For example from MSNBC, "right-wing depravity on this issue is quite evident". How the hell does that even qualify as news? They are not even making an attempt to pretend its news.

[WindAtMyBack]

Typo
"it's been proposed which does mean"
should be *doesn't* mean

[AMS700CX4u2]

That is really stupid. Remember it takes two fertile folks to do the horizontal bop and create a fetus.. So what are they going to do? Find the male who helped create the child and assign the death penalty to him for abandonment. One of the negative results of casual sex is that people get a "Flush the Toilet Mentality". My pop told me that sex is great but it comes with responsibility. In his time it was a roll of the dice. With current birth control methods. Pregnancy is easily prevented. Sometimes I think the Idea of one man one woman is flawed. The female population is usually twice the male population. That leaves half of the female population unwed with raging hormones. That is an unstable condition in nature that is either going to lead to adultery or lesbianism. Back against the wall with no options. Unacceptable.

[sage2021]

Thank goodness men can get pregnant now and women won't have to face the death penalty.

[888theGreat]

Men really can't but you can create babies in a test tube

[TrueConfection]

She's pointing out the left's absurdity.

[Exterminatore]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pregnancy is a social construct.

I better go see my OBGYN.

[TrueConfection]

@Exterminatore The Vagina Museum (yes, you read that correctly) in the UK put out a PSA that men need to get their overies checked for ovarian cancer too.

[Exterminatore]

@True

You’ve got to be kidding!

Woke people: get a vaccine, trust the science, stop the spread and flatten the curve.

Me: it is objectively provable men can’t become women and women can’t become men. Sex is determined by chromosomes, and no man has a vagina or ovaries, which is also objectively probable. It is likewise objectively provable there are only 2 genders. It’s called science, the same science you encourage people to trust.

Woke people: don’t trust the science, more research into gender must be done. There are 89 genders…. you’re a biggot and hateful person (whispering to each other: let’s change the definition of gender to mean the amount of masculinity and femininity a person displays…. whatever you do…don’t let them figure out that’s part of personality)

These people are so morally bankrupt and so utterly degenerate they cannot tell fact from fiction anymore and believe their own lies!

[TrueConfection]

@Exterminatore I agree 100%!!! And sadly, I wasn't joking.

[Miristheiss]

I'm against this.

I'm FOR the death penalty for some heinous crimes and murders only when the case is NOT circumstantial, just in cases where they were caught in the act or on video or whatever and the only defense is insanity or they had a troubled childhood so go easy on them. If it is just circumstantial, DNA, hair at the scene, someone thinks they saw them at X at Y o'clock, that should be life in prison with no death penalty.

Abortion, no I wouldn't relate the 2.

If the girl can abort the baby whether the guy wants it or not then I am 100% for the guy saying I don't want a baby I "ABORT" any relationship or responsibility to it. It she wants to keep it against my will then she can pay and care for it. I abort. I women can kill it whether the guy wants the baby and for it to be able to live its life then I am for guys being about to sign a paper aborting any tie or responsibility to the baby if the woman has it against the guy's will.

[Lionman95]

I´m taking a position in the abortion debate that can be seen as a pro-life but that´s too far in my view because the act of killing an infant doesn´t justify that since there are actions that have a way worse impact on society like certain acts of fraud that don´t get judged by death penalty. The death penalty is supposed to be the worst judgement a person could get so I don´t think it´s suitable in such a situation especially since it seems like the guy can get a way without a problem.

[Rosexøxø]

IS THIS TRUE-

IDIOTS-

IDIOTS EVERYWHERE..

they think they can just slap more death on death?

yeah, let’s spray fire on the forest fires of Cali

hey Putin, let’s bomb the places bombed.

Idiots everywhere-

don’t know how to give proper antidotes and help these people-

excuse my French,

but bxtches everywhere.

‘Nuff said.

[Rosexøxø]

Voted too far but it’s exactly the same as the men who rape and the women who kill babies for no reason m.

Get your shxt together people!

SMH

Murder is not the answer 🙄

Or maybe it is god send an asteroid

Because none here seem serious about fixing anything.

(Send it for them not me lmao)

[UCrayCray]

I’m so pro-life, I’ll kill you to prove it.
LoL 🙄
Reminds me of this…

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[888theGreat]

Yea , it is murder for murder. Way too extreme. I can remember a couple years ago when it was considered extreme to give prison term to woman that had abortion. Now they want to kill them.

[UCrayCray]

Are you agreeing with me?
i.chzbgr.com/.../skeptical-dog

[888theGreat]

yea , lets go on a date , lol Not

[UCrayCray]

Agreeing twice in one day?
WTF is happening? 😱

[888theGreat]

when did I agree with you twice?

[UCrayCray]

I agreed with the NOT!!!

[888theGreat]

You are funny for a liberal.

[888theGreat]

I bet you missed me while I was on vacation from GAG. Admit it , you did.

[UCrayCray]

Vacation?

[888theGreat]

I was gone like 4 months or 5 .

[UCrayCray]

Oh 🫤
Why you back?
Wait! It was you who missed me, wasn’t it?

Yeah it was. 😉

[888theGreat]

kissy kissy

[monorprise]

Pro-life means you beleive the right to human life begins before birth.
If you rob anyone else of their right to life in South Carolina you are subject to the death penalty.

The only question is whether or not you agree the murder's circumstances justify a lesser punishment.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
“Pro-life means you believe the right to human life begins before birth….” Yes! And clearly they are willing to kill people to prove it. 🤷‍♀️

[monorprise]

@ucraycray
We have no need to prove babies have the right to life, merely to protect that right the same way we protect everyone else's right to life in our state where said right is already accepted.

That means in many states deterrence, If you intentionally take someone else's life you forfeit your own.

[888theGreat]

shoot I thought it would be you in a skimpy bikini , just a dog.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
“If you intentionally take someone else's life you forfeit your own.” If you call yourself pro-life, yet believe you have the authority to make this call, you’re not pro-life.
You’re pro-hypocrite.
You just gotta own it.

[monorprise]

@ucraycray The State legislator absolutely has the authority to make that call. That is their constitutional propose.

[UCrayCray]

@monorprise
Doesn’t change what I said.
Not pro-life, pro-hypocrites

[EmmaMary]

I cannot for one moment ever see this being passed off as law.

However it is America where anything can happen!

[888theGreat]

I think better than 50/50 chance I am afraid

[EmmaMary]

@888thegreat

Good heavens, that is truly dreadful... Let's hope on this occasion you are proven wrong. 🤞

[monorprise]

@EmmaMary
A person is going to jail in South Carolina regardless if they murder anyone including now South Carolina's smallest and most innocent of citizens.

There is nothing wrong with equal application of the law.

[OlderAndWiser]

No, SOUTH CAROLINA is not considering such an idea. It is contained in a bill introduced by an extremist freshman legislator and it has no chance of passing through the SC House and Senate and being signed into law. Your reaction is quite exaggerated and dramatic!

[888theGreat]

You are a liar . Yet admit bill was introduced. That means it is being considered. I know you are a liberal but at least have decency to accept the truth that it is being considered. This is what liberals do. They hate the facts and then lie about the facts. Biden has taught you well. It also proves that age alone doesn't make you wiser as you often prove here.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@888thegreat Lol bud. This guy ain’t no liberal

[OlderAndWiser]

One guy introduced a bill and the leadership says "don't worry. It's not going anywhere." That doesn't mean that the state assembly is really v gpoing to consider it. I worked in the Florida Legislature for two years and I know how these things work.

You are entitled to your opinion but anyone who knows me would NEVER call me a liberal. I AM, however, a staunch opponent of fake or grossly exaggerated news stories being repeated as f they are 100% literally true.

[SaoirseS]

@OlderAndWiser. I agree. I'm not a lawyer or legislator, but reading the text of the actual proposed legislation I think it's a far stretch to claim the text equates to "considering the death penalty for women that have an abortion." As I read it, it would make a fetus at any point from conception forward the same as a living person who has been born, and cites the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment as justification. While theoretical and conceivable, this "legislation" may set the stage but it seems like the media is reading more into it than is actually there. Right now it's hung up in committee, and no doubt is going to die there. Eight legislators have removed their names as sponsors, that tells me something. The troubling part of all this is the waste of legislative effort on something that a sponsor knows isn't going to pass, just to grandstand and get headlines. It's effort that could be better spent on far more important things.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@SaoirseS 👍👍

[CateM]

I extremely doubt this bill will be signed into law, and I sure hope it doesn't

[Anonymous]

Where’s the law to castrate men who commit sexual crimes or have too many children? I’d totally back that as a fair trade for abortion laws being in effect.

[888theGreat]

I would be for that. Rapes , sex crimes with kids. Yea snip them ball bearings off and a little off the Penis

[monorprise]

There is no such thing as having too many children, and under our presently disastrous demographic circumstances we will require Taxes or laws against having too few children.

If you however agree a sexual crime is equal to murder then perhaps they would do as much.

[ElGato31]

90% of the Americans are absolutely insane! There's no other way to put it.

[888theGreat]

Just South Carolina , but if it goes into law , other states will copy it I am sure

[ElGato31]

"so a person is created when the sperm hits the egg because that is when the soul is created." Source?
Based on Qur'anic verses and Hadith, the jurists inferred that the soul enters the fetus at around 4 months, or 120 days, after conception.
In the time of Aristotle, it was widely believed that the human soul entered the forming body at 40 days (male embryos) or 90 days (female embryos), and quickening was an indication of the presence of a soul.
According to Dr. Helen Wambach, who had 2000 cases of people under hypnosis claiming to witness the process, she never had any account of a soul entering the womb prior to six months.
According to Michael Newton, who over 40 years had 7000 accounts talking about the same thing, he claimed he never had a client say that they had entered the womb until the 4th month. And that is a standard question done by someone trained by the Newton Institute in between life hypnotherapy.
An unborn foetus is thus ‘earmarked’ for the soul who wants it, but the body won’t become inhabited by the soul (‘ensouled’) until the moment of birth or thereabouts.
Stoicism maintained that the living animal soul was received only at birth, through contact with the outer air, and was transformed into a rational soul only at fourteen years of age.
Epicureanism saw the origin of the soul (considered to consist of only a small number of atoms even in adults) as simultaneous with conception.
Pythagoreanism also considered ensoulment to occur at conception.
Some Jewish views state that the soul entered the body only at birth.

From various websites. Which one is right?

[monorprise]

@elgato31 Catholics and Many if not most South Carolinian believe it happens at conception the same time as your human DNA is formed.

The laws of the state in so far as deciding when the protection the right to life being must reflect the believes of the majority there of.

You cannot allow anyone to just kill any else simply because they personalty don't beleive that person entitled tot he right to life for want of a soul.
The boundary must be set in law by the state.

[ShadezMcgee]

As much as I hate the idea of abortion, I still believe in bodily autonomy. This would be like saying that anyone who refused the COVID-19 vaccine would be put to death equivalent.

This is going too far in my eyes and is a draconian law, not much different from what is going on in Iran.

[Fuentes]

💯!!!

[monorprise]

What about the bodily autonomy of the baby? Don't you beleive in their right to life?

If you beleive the right to life begins before birth as the majority in South Carolina do, then the only question is does the circumstances of said murder justify the death penalty.

I doubt the majority in the South Carolina state legislator would agree it does however it is a legitimate question.

[ShadezMcgee]

@monorprise I do believe that the baby is a living being at conception and has its voice, the issue is that when you look at people to include doctors harping on baby's not being considered "alive" until a heartbeat is registered, they are not living beings but a "cluster of cells". That also includes the fact that even though a baby that is developing and close to birth is at that point a true human baby, it cannot speak and has not been born yet, which is where you will get truly twisted and sick motherfuckers saying that babies should be able to be late term aborted.

However I don't believe it is grounds for the death penalty. Because now you are taking individual women's rights and punishing them for something they need to do to ensure the baby can be born. So if anything this should be looked at case by case. I believe abortion should only be considered in the case of rape/incest and a threat to the mother's life. Otherwise, it is a no go. It is frustrating to see when women flaunt killing an unwanted pregnancy because of inconvenience and "because they can".

[monorprise]

@ShadezMcgee Every case of killing is examined as such, and we agree there must be a self-defence justification of said murder.

The only considerations for which I feel the death plenty may not be appropriate would be on the ground the burden. This burden however is offset by the choice to conceive.

As such rape and life of mother are the only exceptions being having no conception choice in burden self-defense.

I would however further expect legislators to examine the rape circumstances more closely for the child is innocent of said rape.

[ShadezMcgee]

@monorprise I don't feel death penalty is necessary at all for the woman. I feel life long prison sentence is more than enough. Double whammy if these were young women with their whole life in front of them.

Sex is a choice between two parties. Rape, incest and threat to mother's life if birthed should not be penalized in any way. If however the woman aborted a baby out of inconvenience, not being ready, not wanting one, etc, that is when prison should be looked at in that context because it was a choice to sleep with a man and a choice to use or not use birth control which can still fail.

Death penalty forgone in the case of on the ground burden? What?

[monorprise]

I speak of the 9 month pregnancy burden that a woman must endure as justification for abortion in cases of rape.

I do feel that needs closer examination to weight the baby's life against the unjust 9 month burden. The baby after all is innocent of the crime leading to its conception, and therefore it is the 9 month burden and risk there of which its little life is weighed against.

I am not sure If I agree on the death penalty being appropriate to the circumstances of the crime of an abortion. I don't think the South Carolina state legislator would agree with that at all.

That this whole article is push bate because someone proposed a particular unpopular with the publisher bill with no chance of passing.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Barbaric. Although I am against foeticide most of the time, I agree with it some other times. Death penalty is the most premeditated of all murders. I mean, does murdering the murderer make any sense?

[888theGreat]

Nope , I agree

[LovingLoverReturned]

Yes it does make sense if the person is irredeemably evil and uncaring not even trying to be a good person like Jack the pie seller in the news puss in boots... come on.

[Anonymous]

Guys who think abortion is murder are dumb asf. You guys kill sperm cells all the time watching porn. You think you’re innocent? Not only that, but who’s going to take care of those babies? Certainly not you. Why should a rape victim be forced to have a baby?

[888theGreat]

There are exceptions or so they say

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

Seriously?

People totally lost their minds.

[888theGreat]

Sounds like it in South Carolina

[Kessia99]

Don't think this passes, strong majority of the country is in favor of abortion rights, including a lot of republicans.

[888theGreat]

Majority against abortion now but not for executions as what would be the difference , it would be killing another and that is the anti abortion movement