To be honest, I never really understood makeup at all.
Why are people conditioned to wear makeup?
Little girls want to play grown up and dress up. All the pricess movies and whatnot, and the fact that their mothers wear makeup, makes them want to be "beautiful" like them too.
I used to play with my mom's lipsticks. I used to break them, and got my mom mad for it. I also kept wanting to touch the makeup when the Avon lady was in the house, and I broke an eyeshadow pallette once, that my mom had to buy even though she didn't like it. lol
It's just a thing that little girls want. They want to look pretty. What's important is that the parents tell them they don't NEED those products to look pretty, they're already beautiful the way they are.
But even then, once their friends play with makeup and talk about makeup, they will start to want to themselves.
It's a natural thing and I don't see anything bad in it, as long as the girls can still have a healthy body image. As long as the makeup is not seen as a way of hiding themselves, I think it's fine.
On the other hand, think about this:
When a girl is bullied and called "ugly" by her peers, this might cause her to have serious insecurities about her looks. She will then realise that once she puts on makeup, the "ugly" word will stop getting thrown at her, and she will get more glances from guys. That's what might cause her to want to hide behind her makeup. Like me.
Nothing like social conditioning by abusive children to create all existing problems in our world - from gender segregation to excessive usage of makeup and hatred towards one's own body for no valid reason
If I had 3 fingers and no arms then I'd see the point, but being completely healthy, there is no reason why we should be ashamed of ourselves.
We don't live in an ideal world, my friend. Wishful thinking would just stay wishful thinking. We live in reality and reality is often harsh.
Yes. Of course. But the first step to fixing a problem is identifying it.
yeah but we can only control the problem on a small scale. In our own lives. We can't influence the entire society.
Sure we can, as long as you become a totalitarian ruler and eliminate everyone who qualifies to be the source of the problem, LOL
#notrealistic
and there you go again with the wishful thinking ;)
My parents never taught me to wear it. It is something a girl sees on almost every women, and as most kids do I wanted to be like all those women. So I started using my mom's makeup myself and I would beg her to put some lipgloss on me for special occasions. I was never allowed to wear makeup or even nail polish to school up until I was 10 years old. But it wasn't really appreciated in my school to wear makeup so I just wore nail polish until I was about 12. Then I started wearing some mascara.
I think females wear makeup just to enhance their features, just like working out or doing your hair or getting dressed nicely. What's there not to get about it?
That there is a difference between self-improvement on a biological level, and between applying face paint in hopes of being found more attractive. :P
I know... But what is it you don't get? You state it yourself "applying face paint in hopes of being found more attractive". It seems like you got a good idea of why women do it yourself.
Mostly because I don't find anyone more attractive just because they have paint on their face, haha. So I was always confused why anyone thought having paint on their face made them more attractive, when it's literally just paint.
I think it is just personal preference. Many people do like the look of it, you're sadly not included.
I'm more sad that I'm so ronery in this group of people who don't see the appeal in facepaint :p
Thank you for MHO :)
It wasn't so much that i was taught to wear makeup, but rather i was always expected to look presentable when i left the house or when guests were coming over. My mum and gran are very traditional as in very ladylike, and presenting yourself in a way which shows that you take good care of yourself and have put in effort was always considered important.
I don't know, for me it takes 5 minutes it's not a lot and it just makes me feel ready... But everyone is different. I think as long as you feel comfortable with what you do and don't judge others for their choices it's ok, not really a big deal.
To me, looking "presentable" just means having my hair washed so that it doesn't look like a mess
Everyone's different and have different ideas. My mum was a hairdresser and makeup artist, so i think she encouraged makeup because she really enjoys it and it's fun for her. But like i said, it wasn't so much that it was about makeup, i mean in high school makeup was tinted moisturizer, light blush, mascara and tinted lip balm. It didn't really look like i had makeup on. But the other thing for me personally, i enjoy the routine, the smell of the products... that sort of thing.
Probably the most important thing is too teach kids to love who they are, that appearances don't hold value, and to be confident in their kindness and how they treat others. That's what i want to teach my kids one day.
Makeup is a status symbol. It's supposed to look like it was no work at all and subtly show people how pretty you are, how much time you have to spend on your appearance, and how much you can spend on products. But it has to look "tasteful" otherwise that's another set of indicators about your social and economic stations and background.
That's the trick to all of women's social indicators. It has to look nice and effortless. It's a carryover from the conspicuous consumption that was so popular with the Edwardians and Victorians.
Do people still read so much into face paint nowadays? :o
Most def. Why do you think things like pintrist and beauty blogs do so well?
Because people hate themselves and hope to find some means to have better social success, and think physical appearance alteration is the key to it?
Noooo that's like saying people wear pants because they hate themselves.
That's like saying makeup is socially expected and essential like trousers, which is not true
There are lots of alternatives to pants though. Like shorts, skirts, dresses, togas, breeches, tons of choices.
Society expects it...
I personally don't think there is a need for it..
For example my wife grew up on a farm and was much happier playing in the dirt outside and riding motor bikes doing farm work, than playing with dolls and dress ups, she's only worn make up once in her life and that was our wedding day...
I grew up on a farm too, and I appreciate natural beauty, it comes from within not a surface cover up, or just skin deep...
High time society pressured fashion mags and media to show natural people not made up and photo shopped pictures that the majority of the world can't live up to... leading to so many having self doubts, depression and stressing unnecessarily over their own body shape or looks...
When people figure out that looks has nothing to do with love, they'll have gained some IQ points...
It's always tops down under...
Hope this helps
Although I agree, I disagree with that looks have *nothing* to do with love. Physical attraction *is* a valid thing. But that doesn't mean makeup has anything to do with it, when I speak of physical attraction, I speak of actual bodily features and facial structure, not just how well someone rips out and repaints their eyebrows. (I never understood why some people do that!)
Yeah totally agree with you, when i described looks I was meaning that make up could cover/ enhance/ change the look of, and make up is just someone trying to make themselves look to be something they're not...
I do agree that structure and shape of a person does have a great effect on physical attractiveness but you can't change that with make up...
Now this is probably an extreme, but would you find a guy that pulled up in a Ferrari and was well dressed more attractive? And find out later that he borrowed the clothes and rented the ferrari
Hah, if you evaluate attractiveness based on their physical possessions, then there's something obviously wrong wtih you :P
But clothes can affect how attractive people find you, similarly to how a good or bad haircut can do wonders in either direction.
I will only answer to the 2nd question: because the companies want to make money from these products
Oh yeah, that's pretty obvious. The fashion industry would crumble if people didn't think their shitty paint products weren't a necessity
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Human fashion is learned, always, and human trend following is also learned, always, so success in human society requires that one be educated on how to detect, manage, and capitalize on their appearances and physical assets.
Make-up helps do this whether it be for males or females as we know in major movie productions, on television interviews, and through various other forms of media. Teaching one's child to capitalize on their image and all things at their disposal is key to creating successful humans who are well integrated into society.
In some cultures, such as South Korea, male make-up is also taught and worn by the youthful.
No one told me to wear makeup, in fact my mom was allergic to most makeup and terrible at it. I started wearing it because I have acne and when you have acne no one cruelly looks at your face. They see acne, decide your ugly and stop looking at you.
Also I was tired of looking at myself and only seeing spots. Wearing makeup made me more confident and let me look people in the eye
I haven't had a lot of acne ever since I started washing my face with water when I wash my hands
But I do admit concealer is awesome, even I used it once when I had a gigantic pimple on my face and had to do SOMETHING about it
But I don't see the purpose of "blush" and "eyeliner" and all the other noise
Hah, that's a stance I could never counter, because there is no point in countering it.
But it's worth knowing that sometimes less is more!
... "just"
I usually just don't wear any makeup. :p
i1127.photobucket.com/.../...om-add-text%201_1.gif I never understood it either... just here to read the answers/bump your question
my parents always tried to make sure that i dont wear make up aha i just got caught up into wearing it that its just something that i need to put on before i go out, but i only wear light natural looking make up , can hardly tell i have make up on aha
so what made you feel like you should compulsively use makeup "in case you go out"?
it became a habit and i started to get that feeling that without makeup i didn't look that great, i dont feel as confident without make up..
So your primary reason behind it is a sense of self-deprecation and body dysmorphia, got it
There are other ways to get rid of facial pimples/acnes whatever.
they manifest on the outside because something isn't right on the inside, unless ur a teen, but even there are herbal remedies/natural ways to fix it.
And too much makeup looks positively disgusting.
The vast majority of parents are doing the opposite, trying to slow down the rate at which their early teen daughters wear makeup.
They see it on older girls, adult women, and in the media.
None of my parents ever did. My dad doesn't like it, and my mom never wears it - the only time she actually did was on her wedding day. She emphasized instead on skin care and taught me that makeup was unnecessary.
Nice!
Not a clue. I have no idea how to use makeup and Mum only taught me how to use eyeliner (She couples it as eye shadow, simply smudge it) yesterday. Simply because my eighteenth is coming up and she's taking me to a gentleman's club ^-^
I wasn't taught to wear make up at all. It was something I started doing on my own. My mom hardly wears make up as it is.
so what made you feel like you are obligated to use makeup?
I wanted to see what it was all about so I started experimenting with it and just having fun. There was no obligations.
It's not a necessity. They just do it to cover their ugly faces, or to make them more beautiful, or to hide some gross stuff like moles, pimples, and weird birthmarks. :-/
While some just do it for fun. I think. :-)
That's funny because my mother taught me that "make up was for sluts"
Didn't start wearing it till about a year ago
I think if I ever have kids, I'll teach them the same thing!
It certainly helps maintaining a proper sense of self-worth, in concept anyways
By not making you feel like you're attractive only by wearing face paint
Might as well add tank tops, shorts, long skirts, and t-shirts onto that list! My mom had a disgusting and distorted POV of the world, don't imitate that! It doesn't instill a proper sense of self-worth at allllll, if anything it makes you more insecure and paranoid about yourself and the world around you.
Why would you add long skirts and T-shirts? The only thing people tend to attribute with being sluts are yoga pants, miniskirts, low-cut blouses and excessive quantities of makeup. Also very high heels.
My mom was some hypocritical religious nutjob
If you're a white girl or if you aren't wearing this thing right here, you're automatically slutty LOLLL
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... that seems overly excessive, lol
Yeah man. You have no idea how hard it was for me to wear regular jeans and a nice t-shirt without being constantly slut shamed for no freakinggg reason. Usually something people take for granted hahaha. So glad I left that crazy bitch long times ago
yeah I don't see how that'd be slutty
I did tell you what I've been conditioned to believe was slutty
Western vs. Foreign POVs
the stuff you listed is far more reasonable & common
I'm Hungarian which is like, Europe
it's just that with the notion that people KNOW that these are seen as slutty AND they STILL choose to wear these, is a testament that they "probably are what they show themselves to be" or are oblivious to the meaning of their clothing
Ooooh that's cool, but your "slutty standards" are pretty lax no? Both my parents hail from strict Muslim countries, pretty crazy.
To be fair, people only perceive them as "slutty" if they have a voluptuous body. Someone as flat as a rack like me can wear all of that combined and still be "cute" - trust me, I've tried so hard to change that LMAO
Well compared to radical Islamist point of view, ANY standards for "sluttiness" are lax, LOL
Hahahahaha exactly
My parents were the other way around, they tried to make me not use makeup for as long as possible.
so what made you feel like you are obligated to use makeup?
I agree make up is a fucked up thing to make women feel like they constantly need to be improved. Just go to the gym.
actually my parents never told me to do so but i guess its natural that some parents or friends think that wearing makeup is going to give you confidence.. just an opinion of mine.
so what made you be inclined to wear shoes with gigantic heels, even knowing that they are bad for your feet?
make-up = make up 4 sth
in that case looks basically
maybe tat's y...
Makeup is a thing of the past.
I wish
@Mesonfielde I really don't like makeup even when girls wear lipstick it irks me, I only like the natural look.
I can relate
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