Why aren't men chivalrous any more?

[Anonymous]

Men these days don't know how to treat women.

Men have become more cowardly than ever before.

[Sagon_God_of_Jugs]

Are you kidding? Chivalry is a concept from the Middle Ages when women were treated like property, a prize to be won by men, to be put on a pedestal and treated like a child. Chivalry doesn't exist anymore because we are beginning to acknowledge that women are people, and because they are people they should be treated a such, as capable adults who can open a f%#king door by themselves. Chivalry is sexist and patronizing. I don't need you to give me your seat or help me up the stairs, I have legs. Women don't deserve special treatment solely for being women, and that's what chivalry is. If your man doesn't hold the door open for you, take it as a sign of respect for your personhood.

[blah-blah]

What if the man wants to hold open doors for you because he cares about you and not to belittle you?

[Sagon_God_of_Jugs]

@blah-blah Well thats great, and I would hope that you would do the same for him. A nice or compassionate gesture is only a nice or compassionate gesture. But, while your relationship is for the two of you to make for yourselves, women in general shouldn't hold all men to a standard of politeness that is based solely on gender/sex, especially one that marks females as the weaker, valuable, and needy, while similarly holding men to societal obligations of strength, mental fortitude, and stewardship.

[Parham500]

Your concept of chivalry is inaccurate and retarded. Chivalry wasn't because women were "property" it was for another purpose. the concept of the patriarchy was basically the cycle of Chivalry vs machismo. chivalry was invented as a way to deal with machismo, to have strong and caring men protect women from those men and provide for which also did come with advantage of authority.
If chivalry is sexist it's only sexist towards men cuz it puts the burden and responsibility on our shoulders. in the book " a gentlemen's etiquette" it says that if a man responds harshly to even the most obnoxious women he would be considered the brute which is why these days it's hard for a man to deal with an angry Karen. so next time you got cat-called on the street deal with it on your own cuz we're not going to cripple your personhood and strength of course

[jemjem2017]

we are in the 21st century. most men ask them about chivalry they would go like huh? what? what you mean? for me 1, because their dad/father didn't taught them about chivalry 2. the modern society way, its not a trend anymore. in this modern society all they want is a quick one. for example hi and hello in a bar and they are dating they are consider them boyfriend/girlfriend. 3. now a days lets face it men like a fast phase when it comes to dating. they met in a bar or clubs and they sleep together in this modern society they get to know that person first in bed than personally that's why no relationship last because of this trend of modern society

[kaylaS91]

Well... if women want to be treated as equals, we're going to have to learn how to hold our own doors open, pay for our own meals, etc.. Can't have your cake and eat it too!

[Death_of_rats]

finally, someone who actually understands! Im so sick of this selective equality bullshit.

[Neverrrmore]

Because females being offended about everything happened. Also plenty of everyone is just rude. People should just be polite and say thank you.

[stratis99]

it also doesn't help that If a man is being nice to a random girl she instantly will be think "is he hitting on me" or something like that

[Twin2814]

i always treat women the way they should be treated. equal to men.

the stuff i hear though. what people say to girls... the way they treat them. like sexual objects. discuts me.

people like that... they are boys. not a man. like me.

it takes a man to know a womans worth.

[ksoma]

oh look, another brave pink anon who is full of shit and posts a poll where the only two options are "I'm right, men are scum."

You are why some men don't treat women well anymore. You don't deserve any special consideration from us, because you have no consideration FOR us.

[CrotchRot]

I don't know where you hang out but men fall over themselves to pander to me.

All I can imagine is that certain women put off an aura of entitlement and men don't want to deal with that.

I've heard men also complain that they are feeling like they aren't being valued by women or society in general so they've checked out.

But I'm both blunt and feminine so maybe that's why men hold doors open for me, offer me comfort while putting themselves out. Not everyone, of course, but most men do.

[sedrftvgyhujik]

Such wonderful options to chose from. :)
In some ways i'm actually chiverase i keep doors open for people and i've actually carried women because of their heals hurting a few times id guess though a lot of the stuff doesn't get the same appreciation and we have porn you have toys , porn and your erotic literature so there's less need to go out and get in relationships.

Where all on a risk vs reward system if guys aren't being chivalrous then the reward probly isn't as high now or the risk is bigger.

[NikolasGLT]

Not all of the men are not chivalrous, being chivalrous is doing the small things which women hardly notice or some things which women really notice and makes them happy and comfortable.
I've been like that my entire life, because it makes me feel good about myself, and because that is how a real gentleman should be.

[HorrorFan]

Some still are.

However, chivalry was largely used as a set of perks for when a woman's aspirations weren't much higher than to get married and have children/maintain the household.

Feminism killed all of that. Women are now largely independent. Equality is the name of the game in today's society, which means the expectancy of men to treat women like special little flowers isn't going to be the norm anymore.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Cuddlewolves]

What are you basing this off of? From personal experience, I've met plenty of decent guys who treat me just fine. I just don't hang out with guys that are rude or cocky.
It's also kind of sad to see genders being stereotyped and generalized as if we are different species...

[suckitbe]

Women aren't worth being chivalrous to anymore. In Victorian England where chivalry was formalized men would have to go to incredible lengths (often dying) to get even a kiss. Poems, love letters, etc. now we says what's up and you fuck us... why would we be chivalrous? There's no need.

[hmtr23]

men still are chivalrous but more often than not it's taken advantage of or some women just expect it and don't appreciate it anymore , or in more common cases the girls usually think the guy is trying to flirt when he is just being nice or polite so the girl is rude and makes the guy not want to be nice anymore

[rgb008]

Lots are.
But many women today are mean to men when they try to be chivalrous, which I don't understand.
So plenty stop trying.

[Anonymous]

kids are growing up in broken homes, or both parents working. boys don't grow up seeing how you're supposed to treat women if one parent isn't present. i see how my dad treats my mom with respect so I know that's how a man is supposed to treat a woman. Otherwise a boy has to learn from media or other places.

[Bobbyhill1]

if a women has no respect, she shouldn't except to be given it. You are not special, and you are not above anybody. I only treat a women right if she does the same.

[Opinion Owner]

@Bobbyhill1 i treat everyone nice and hope they treat me nice back

[IceCubedude]

Women aren't worth it anymore, they fought so hard to get here, and here we are you have equal and in some cases even more rights, but you still expect men to act like they did 50 years ago when women didn't act like they do today, that is simply an ignorant behaviour and selfish, iam sorry but if i simply dont have the resources or time to be treating every girl i meet like a princess.

also women these days are easier to get so most men dont bother, you just need game.

[DarkHumorRUs]

Because we don't get anything in return for it. Nobody appreciates it anymore really.

[IWANTPNSSY]

The answer is in your question. Think about it, generally the guys chase the women. So the guys would evolve to behave in the ways that gets them the most success! Why would most guys not act chivalrous if being chivalrous worked?

[IceCubedude]

you're right being selfish, careless and not giving women the attention they think they deserve will get you said women, give them lots of attention and you're fked.

[Stallion76]

Because not all Females act like Ladies.
Some Females are rude and inconsiderate.

[Jack_stokes]

Less reward for those who are. Chivalrous men exist, but they only become noticable to most women in the late 20s to 30s. By then, those men are generally already in a commited relationship, giving the impression that "no good men are left."

[FrenchyRomain]

Women have become Sluts raised by retarded reality tv asking for a real man.
"It's a man's job to respect a woman... but it's a woman's job to give him something to respect" Bernie Mac

[writing_essays]

A lot of them are chivalrous but you have to be careful. Often times the extremely nice ones are fake.

[Death_of_rats]

because women are spoiled little brats who expect selective equality. You just aren't worth my time, effort or money any more.

[TripleAce]

They sure are, you're probably just choosing bad matchs for you... but since they are guys they might still go for you... but it won't end well unless you can be aware of your choices of men

[YHL6965]

Actually both. Very few men would defend their country or stand up for their ideas. Most of them prefer to run away from troubles instead of facing them and holding on. Chivalry has been dead for decades now...

[peachblossomluck]

There is occasional chivalry shown still and I alway show appreciation for it♡ I always thought of it as "having class."