Why do people think MGTOWs hate women?

[Anonymous]

No, we don't hate women nor do we give a shit about them. Just because we don't want to deal with women anymore doesn't mean we hate them. They're useless and mean nothing to us. We just want to go our own way and don't want to deal with society or the government in shaming us for not paying for women's fuck ups. We don't want to get married because we just don't want to have all of our stuff and children taken away from us through divorce and the courts. Women have already proven themselves to be unreliable yet they want to force men to rely on them and shame them and bitch when we decide not to give them anything? Why can't you just understand that we just don't want to deal with any of that shit?

[PatriarchalOppressor]

Oh. Well that's an easy question. People hate the truth... especially when it paints them in a monstrous light... and the truth is that women and the state are monstrous cowards that hide behind 'good men', which is really just another term for extremely naive and gullible men, for women's and the state's survival. In other words, women and the state exploit, traffic and dispose of men for women's and the state's advancement. It's really quite an art form.

Think about it... Men built all that's upon the earth, were disposed of in all the wars for 'women's advancement' and the vast majority of male power and wealth has been forcefully transferred by the same cowardly and vicious gynocracy through alimony, asset division, Title IX, Affirmative Action, Affirmative Consent, the majority of state and federal spending of primarily men's tax dollars to pay for women's health, education and welfare, etc, etc, etc. This kind of truth... that which annihilates the gynocentric, white knight narrative, scares the living shite out of its benefactors (women and the state). Hence, those of the MGTOW mindset will always be hated and bombarded with constant shame. That's how con games work. You have to constantly put the rube back in his place for the game to work in your favor - by any means necessary. It's all expertly explained in the DSM-V.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

I always find the men making this argument to be as annoying as the people making the argument that the feminism definition is the only thing you should judge it by.

The answer to your question is simple enough - some do.

You can't claim women are only good for so long as they are useful to you and say you don't hate women and that is the last step on their little "cutting women out of your life" chart.

Most people who identify just don't want a relationship. It used to be called celibacy. Even casual sex is fine, women do that as well, just be careful about the groups you identify with.

[Asker]

But women only see men as utilities. Why should we value them when they don't value us?

[RandomBritishGuy94]

These kinds come in all shapes and seizes but you're talking to shitty people. Find better people.

[xxmamichulaxx]

Maybe because most MGTOWs show clear resentment towards women and can't hold off blaming women for the worlds problems each time the female gender comes into conversation. Either way, you proved my point through out this whole "question" you've written , as it turned more into a complaint about women then anything else. If MGTOW's dont hate women , why are all the mgtow and red pill forums filled with bitter men complaining about women? I have yet to see mgtows get together and do something helpful for men in need.

[Asker]

We don't help men because it's useless. MRAs are always getting shot down by feminists. This society only sees men as disposable utilities.

[kaylaS91]

... MGTOW, in title alone, is about 'men going their own way'.
The catch? You'll have a tough time finding guys (online, at least) being able to give you any reason to support their decision to live independently that doesn't involve them writing an angsty essay about how women are all slutty, manipulative cunts whose only interest is to get at their money and get attention.
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[BigBallerSodaPop]

Don't you think you talk too loud for a little girl with no significant life experience?

[kaylaS91]

@BigBallerSodaPop awe, how cute. Your being 2 years my senior, yet finding the time to throw together paragraphs reekign of bitterness would definitely be a valid way for you to be superior to me in terms of 'significant life experience'.
🤣

[BigBallerSodaPop]

I'm older than my stated age.

Age and life experience are not the same.

You're so dumb, that you're not worth talking to.

You severely need to be put in your place. And, by the way, you are hideously ugly.

[kaylaS91]

@BigBallerSodaPop
LOL. oh god, this is rich.
'You're so dumb, that you're not worth talking to.'
'And, by the way, you are hideously ugly.'

lolol please continue with your grade school level insults as the only support to your claims of being wiser/smarter, what have you. It's delusions like that which keep me coming back to this site for a few good laughs.

[BigBallerSodaPop]

I don't need to waste my breath telling you what I know.

It would be lost on you, anyway.

[kaylaS91]

@BigBallerSodaPop awe darn. shame but I'm sure I'll see you bitching about women elsewhere on this site so.. till then! 🍻

[Asker]

Sounds like the picture you posted was made by a tradcon. Women only care about money. They don't give a fuck about men.

[kaylaS91]

*don't give a fuck about you

[Asker]

Is that why they are always willing to send men to the gutters? Why do women divorce men and then take all his belongings and kids afterwards? Couldn't she just leave peacefully?

[kaylaS91]

'Why do women divorce men and then take all his belongings and kids afterwards? Couldn't she just leave peacefully?'

A variety of reasons if you're wiling to look beyond your very selective looking glass. A veryu small portion of women 'take all his belonging and kids afterwards' to spite him and/or benefit solely herself. You seem to have forgotten that, whether she's single or not, a woman will have to pay for shelter, put food on the table for children, buy clothes for herslef nd children, etc.. You seem to think that paying bills for water, electricity, rent or whichever, on top of the basic necessities for 2-3+ people on a single person income is difficult and so, seeing as how children come about only if a man participates, it's fair that he contribute (financially, at the very least) to raising them.

[Asker]

But I thought women were "strong and independent" why do they need a man's money? Funny you are defending them. I guess I was right after all.

[kaylaS91]

I don't 'need' a man's money but if he's going to want to get his dick wet and have a child, you better bet that it's going to take more than just my income alone to raise this child and pay for all the necessities.

[Asker]

Why not get an abortion if you just can't afford a child yourself?

[kaylaS91]

Because many people find abortion ethically wrong. I'm not really sure what you're getting at with bringing up all of these loop-holes- are you trying to justify letting men roam around, fucking anyone/anything like animals in the wild or something?

[Asker]

Women are already fucking around like animals what's your point?

[kaylaS91]

.. right. Of course you're give a reply that's completely tangential and untrue versus attempting to make it look like you have some grounds to your argument.

[Anonymous]

"we don't hate women "

goes on to say

""They're useless and mean nothing to us" with other statements making assumptions about us and generalizing all of us like we are all robots and exactly the same.

Majority of guys supporting your little resentment/bitter fan club DO hate women and you seem to hate women too. All I read is "I"m so bitter". LOLz

[BigBallerSodaPop]

It's more than just a resentment fan club. Can you imagine having to wake up every day and work just to pay alimony and lose half your stuff?

There's a lot of sense to it. It's a reaction to how feminism messed up gender roles. Although I think technology messed them up as well.

[Opinion Owner]

@BigBallerSodaPop Your point is? Acting like only men endure hardships and injustices is exactly what makes MGTOW a resentment fan club. There's a entire world out there, filled with people who go through absolutely horrible experiences daily. I can tell my own sob story about how my mother was emotionally abused by my father for years, used up all her savings and continues to emotionally blackmail her. EVERYONE goes through shit and crap. It's not just MGTOW men. Also, some people end up in situations because they made stupid decisions. You do realize that some divorces happen because men choose to walk away right? And you do realize some people divorce because the man cheated? It's not always the women. Thinking it's always somehow the men as the victim IS hateful, resentful and bitter and shows you know nothing about live out there as you're too busy living under your little "feel sorry me" .

[Opinion Owner]

rock where injustice are only faced by men and where all women are the exact same.

[BigBallerSodaPop]

Women have a severe advantage in the legal system in the Western world.

If you want to bitch about hardships, go to third world countries.

How can you not see that women in the United States have become ridiculously entitled? They practically lie through their teeth every second.

[Opinion Owner]

@BigBallerSodaPop Bitterness, bitterness bitterness

must suck to live a life with just so much bitter xD

[Asker]

We don't hate women. We just understand female nature. Most of the women me and my friends met were TERRIBLE people. I've never met any man that was so narcisstic and sociopathic as a woman.

[Opinion Owner]

Must be exhausting to always be hating on women, talking shit about women

[Opinion Owner]

Plus it's ironic how MGTOW hate women but yet talk about women all day, join clubs about how much they hate women and just generally speak non stop about women on the internet all day. Is that really all you can do?

[Asker]

Mgtow is not a "club" it's a philosophy. It's to sudy human and female nautre and how they affect modern civilization. Women are the true embodiments of narcissism and they are the reason why society is so misplaced.

[BigBallerSodaPop]

I believe modern technology is just as responsible for the "pussification" of Western men.

[Opinion Owner]

@Asker If it's a philosophy then good luck as everything is based off the opinion of bitter men who have nothing better to do then whine and get triggered over women and are obsessed with the pussy. it's all care about. You literally spend your time just insulting women and blaming women because you have nothing to care about. it's hard to see why anyone can your little "philosophy", seriously when it is breeded from hatred and based on assumptions and generalizations.

[BigBallerSodaPop]

I have a girlfriend (and a fuck buddy on the side) and I still agree with most of their theories.

I will admit that when you get to the deeper levels of their group, it is probably overweight virgins who sit in their mom's basement, but the majority of their theories make sense.

[Opinion Owner]

@BigBallerSoda and I assume your girlfriend knows about this fuck buddy or

[BigBallerSodaPop]

No. But she's not actually my "girlfriend." We don't call each other that. But we have sex every time we see each other, talk all day long, and, according to what she knows, we are exclusive. She's not fucking anybody else.

[Opinion Owner]

but both of them know that you are having sex with someone else too?

[BigBallerSodaPop]

One does, the other doesn't. And I have a third girl in the works, too.

:)

[Opinion Owner]

Well then we all what that makes you :)

[BigBallerSodaPop]

Super cool?

[Opinion Owner]

you wish. If being a dick is cool to you then great but most people won't think you are amazing but rather a sleazy person with no morals.

[BigBallerSodaPop]

Do you know how much shit I've been through and how hard I've worked just to get here? And what you're not seeing is the 10,000 no's (mostly online) which drive me insane to the point that I get depressed and started posting questions on here about "Why does nobody like me?". Then, I get lucky a few times.

[JudgmentDay]

I think I rather be part of the Childfree and Antinatalist crowds instead of associating with MGTOW. They're will always be the shaming and bullshit coming from the government and other people no matter what anyway. Besides I think that if someone don't ever want kids, won't really want to marry anyway. But it's more efficient to stand together regardless of gender, against the whole shit system. Don't make and bring more people to become enslaved by the shit system that had been established and put into place. The system can shame all they want but they can not make us all reproduce and bring more taxpayers and potential cannon fodder to continuously support this system. Instead of solely blaming women, blame the system, blame the people that created it and control it and control the masses like sheep. @Unit1 Agreed?

[Unit1]

Yes, the system is our enemy and so is our government not for us.
I do not support this benefits-extracting system. All they care about is more power and no support when we got hit hard.
We are on our own.

[JudgmentDay]

@Unit1 Better that BOTH genders unite and STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THE SYSTEM than stand against each other. And it's easier if we stop putting the blame towards each other. It's much simpler without the hating and blaming of each other, instead we only have to unanimously agree that since the system fucked us, thus we should not have to continue to support it ANY MORE than what we have to.

And it's simple, we just opt out of procreation and reproduction completely. And even it's pretty simple, either get a procedure done such as getting tubes tied and vasectomies, and total abstinence is another possibility along with birth control. It's like protesting and boycotting this system, this world, this reality. The system may give us financial benefits or legal benefits etc, but so, it still doesn't exactly fix anything and it simply CAN NOT ever be fixed.

[Unit1]

This is currently the practice in Japan. The so called herbivore men (who aren't MGTOW) are not dating women much like you and me.

This plan is solid but the participants are of tiny scales and will not fulfill it's goal. I started to discover, that I am more of an anarchist.

[JudgmentDay]

@Unit1 Because the state of the current world have not plummeted into total chaos, a state where it's complete dystopian, bleak, hopeless and futile yet, and not yet at least for now, but when it ever does and I expect it to, those that are asleep will get that rude awakening and may finally reconsider that maybe it's best to just stop procreating all together in that horrible bleak, dark, chaotic, terrifying nightmare of a future. For now, it's all still too easy, all still too comfy, we have all this stuff that we still take for granted, this life that we are accustomed to, but the reality is that it's not going to last, and it's not guaranteed to last forever. Things are going to change eventually.

At that point I don't see how and why the majority of the planet wouldn't become like how it is currently in Japan, where both genders of the entire world would finally realize how futile it all is to continue to procreate and reproduce only to support the system that had enslaved us.

[Asker]

The system was in place and women contributed to it. So yes, I think it's fair that we held women accountable too because they were the ones who held most influence on the government and society.

[Unit1]

More like papa government sides with women a lot in the 1. st world countries.

@JudgmentDay
The planet can live just fine without us. We can't without it. Yet we have reproduced to such an extend, that we are terminating the planet like a terminating disease killing it's host. We are the root problem of it.
The population keeps going up. With more population comes more pollution, more construction, more deforestation, more consuming of limited resources. A single human on the planet is rich with what the planet has to offer. 7 Billions of humans not so much anymore.

Hopefully the planet will think of a way to get rid of us. We are like insects, like a swarm of cockroaches in the kitchen eating away everything and causing nothing but disharmony.

[Unit1]

"No, we don't hate women nor do we give a shit about them."

"They're useless and mean nothing to us."

Oh the irony. THE contradicting IRONY!

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As a former MGTOW, I did not hate women but I couldn't stand being seen as a member of it because of it's misogynistic practices. You represent a part of it and I see clearly why I am not a MGHOW and will not return.

Shouldn't the MGTOW not care about what others think such as why the others think, that MGTOW - do in fact - hate women?

[JudgmentDay]

They don't exactly live up to the whole "going their own way" if they're focusing a lot their attention and marketing how much they are frustrated with women and dislike them. I'd go with antinatalism instead, still better compared to all this one sided bias shit. At least BOTHmale and female antinatalists and the childfree crowd are able to stand together about what they're against. Although there will always be the extremists that hate the opposite crowd, but we both know that kind of shit happens for all groups, cults, and ideologies.

[Unit1]

@JudgmentDay The sad thing is that any and all group have it's share of extremists, so no group is really "good". In terms of extremism MGTOW will hate women, anti-natalists will hate those, who procreate and will hate natalists also. Liberals will hate conservatives and in reverse. Feminists will hate men. And the list goes on.

Hence I do not apply myself to any belonging of any group.

Yes, MGTOW are not actually going their own way if they focus so much on women like they do. That's not going one's own way. That's actually COUNTER productive of going one's own way.

[JudgmentDay]

@Unit1 We stand together against the system and we unanimously agreed it's not worth bringing more people to become enslaved by this shit system, because they those at the very top had always fucked over everyone at the bottom in the first place and they did it so intentionally not accidentally or unintentionally. Too many people are still asleep and sedated so hopelessly inured and dependent on the system that they will be fighting to protect and defend it despite the reality that they have been deceived and enslaved by it the ENTIRE time. If enough people don't procreate then that system will eventually crash, good luck to those that run this shit system at that breaking point when it's crashing. When and if the world becomes bleak and desolate enough, then I'm sure eventually the majority of the living population would finally agree that it's just not worth bringing more people into this world to continue to suffer and die over and over into a world where NOTHING is ever solved.

[Unit1]

@JudgmentDay No more people means no more sources to extract taxes from. That will give them a good and direct hit.
Unfortunately many have been indoctrinated to believe, that without marriage and children your life is not complete and happy - like there is a solution to this cold void and dark emptiness in our bodies. Farming money and power as much as possible.

We can stay united all we want but our scaling is simply too tiny. Take a look at the scaling of the Japanese herbivore men: THEY are actually hitting society and the government hard. I envy them a little for what they are doing.

[Asker]

Okay, so I know some Mgtows might appear to be misogynistic but what other way is there to counter radical feminism? To me, mgtow is an empowering ideaology. It's kicking women to the gutter and letting society society collapse so they'll be reminded that they need us more than we need them. Women hate mgtow cause mgtow takes away all the attention and resources from them. Women cannot live if they are neglected and ignored.

[Unit1]

There is no way to combat feminism other than to ignore it and not respond to it.

Women do not hate or care about MGTOW as they have other things to worry about and just go on about their day. MGTOW has brought the way they represent themselves into such a light.
That being said if you openly identify yourself as part of the MGTOW, then some judging is inevitable (ergo: he hates women). Just like feminism (feminists hate men).

I see a common pattern in MGTOW and feminism and that is hating the opposite sex and blaming the opposite sex for the 1. st worlds problems. I mean if they have a goal in common, (equality) why are they not working together but battling each other?

[Listening5]

I can understand men going mgtow, focus on your life, your goals, anything and choosing not to be involved with women. Monks have done it for many years and so can men in our society.
So dont worry, if some people talk trash its probably out of ignorance. Just do your own thing.

[AleDeEurope]

"We don't hate women, but here's a picture of a man flipping off a woman :) " xD

If MGTOW's didn't base their whole ideology on women being the problem, maybe we wouldn't think they hate women.

[Asker]

Women are the ones who ask most for government fundings and they are the ones who mostly vote democrat. How are they're not to blame?

[AleDeEurope]

Sure, there's more women who vote Democrat and who are more Socialist than men, yet it doesn't mean every single one of them does. There's plenty of men who support that, hell, the biggest socialist running for president was man lol
Plus, more than half of White women voted for Trump, yet I see lot's of MGTOW's say that White women (Western women) are the worst... so it really doesn't have much to do with politics here.

[Anonymous]

Asker be like:
"I don't hate women"
... but then goes on a rant why women are all the same and the source of all evil in the world. 😂

[BellePepper]

Because they literally go around saying "I'm MGTOW and hate women"

[Listening5]

I can understand men going mgtow, however hating anyone is taking it too far.

[BellePepper]

@Listening5 Yeah like if they're not into getting married or whatever I don't care. But when they say shit like "I'm not getting married because women ruin my life an I hate them" I start getting a little annoyed.

[JayCasper777]

mgtow is a smart idea. that being said its pretty much impossible lol.
most mgtows give of the impression that some could look at and think this is a group of males that hate women

[hahahmm]

But the kind of woman you get is also about who you choose to spend your time with. Nothing wrong with deciding to stay a bachelor tho.

[ASEXY]

It's because people tend to jump into assumptions. But I see your details that you are talking negatively about women though... Maybe not all MGTOWS hate women and possess such negative views.

[Anonymous]

They won't understand. You either are with the society and blend in or against it and get attacked. I think though, that nothing is wrong with being a Mgtow.

[Metlahaed]

No, I think some do, some resent, some envy, but all are dumb lol :D

[just-dont]

you know you can have a woman sign a contract so they can't make rape alegations againts you before you have sex, or another one before getting married so if you devorse you can have your money and kids.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

As Elie Wiesel once said:
"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference".

[Anonymous]

The MGTOWs I read hate only those women they can't use or abuse. But they love their moms or sisters.

[Anonymous]

This sound like hate to me. Ignoring people is giving them no consideration is unrespectful.
So it does sound like hate.

[Anonymous]

For the same reason people think feminists hate men... because they do.

[spnsfi]

Because of everything you just said

[OderintDumMetuant98]

MGTOWs are jerk-offs.

[karahiri]

LOL. Fail.