Why do certain websites think it's okay to objectify men?

[ADFSDF1996]

There's so many feminist websites that get upset when women are objectified but they go ahead and objectify men. Then people try to justify it.(hypocrisy)

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+1 y

I see a lot of people are missing the point here. Of course there are websites that objectify women but that's not what I'm pointing out. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those websites, they get upset when women are objectified and yet they still think it's okay to objectify men.

[Mexicoman101]

Because 'objectification' is bullshit. As soon as it becomes inconvenient to act consistent in their standard, people who shame others for passively enjoying peoples bodies will express the same attractions that they claim makes others their moral inferiors. The human body is an object shaped by years of social evolution in the reproductive process, they are no less susceptible to being debauched than males are by a body they like owned by a man. Regardless of peoples' agency & whatever mental sophistication it houses, there will usually view the obese neckbeard with a degree in womens studies as less attractive when juxtaposed with The Rock or many other notoriously handsome celebrities.

What's hard for some people is embracing the realities of people having the capacity to be worth more than their bodies, & because of this you do get a lot of people who overvalue people just because they're attractive in looks. To my view these websites and the phony feminism it employs is an attempt to shame the male side of human objectification because of the way that men are markedly more affected by bodily looks than women in attraction. It really is a failing of men that we're so easily won over by involuntary morphological facts of birth. On average I've found women are more appreciative of intangible aspects of people like humor or intellect, not that those things define their sense of attraction, they're just less physical. They also are attracted to wealth and status more, on average. They did a study where they had the looks of one man and one woman judged by women and men while sitting in cars which varied in value (like the difference between a honda civic and a ferrari). What they found was that men found the woman the same amount of attraction to the woman regardless of what car she was in, and women found the man in the ferrari more attractive even if it was the same guy. So female superficiality is just different. This leads to resentment in certain women, just like the female preference to status causes certain men to become misogynistic. These people who resent it all end up gathering into groups to politicize their feelings against these habits, to decry its effect on others' self esteem and shame people for acting naturally. This website is just one manifestation of that politicization. You would find similar inconsistencies on MRA websites and shit like that, its really not a unique problem to feminism.

[Blitzkrieger]

Thats feminism for you.

[LostPanda]

Well, because occidental culture is based on the objectification of people. Men were always objectified, but not as much as women - or at least not as clear. It's usually covered by the attitude of the pretty and strong macho man, while women are usually turned into sexual images. And, besides that, some people believe women are not as pervert as men or they don't think about sex as much as men do, so it's still kind of ok to objectify a man. When women start to be seen as a sexual being as much as men and, therefore, a possible pervert or sexual predator, probably more people will start thinking that it's not ok to do it.
In resume, it's about equality and star looking at both men and women as sexual beings and possible perverts to realize that objectification is wrong.

[LostPanda]

Ah! And double standards. It's everywhere.

[GAGSUCKS333]

its objectifying and guess what? there is nothing wrong with it. Both men and women are perverts and are physically attracted to eachother. dont forget, you are an animal too. acting ashamed of our nature is what make women act like these beings who are so clean in the head when in reality, they like sex just like everybody else.

[LostPanda]

I didn't act ashamed. I actually was pretty clear about women sexuality, we desire sex as much as men do, but women's sexuality isn't an open theme as men's sexuality. I didn't say it was wrong to desire sex, I said objectification is wrong, because I believe you can sexually desire someone without forgetting that what you have I front of you is a person.

[GAGSUCKS333]

no, I didn't say you were ashamed, I am saying that is what causes women to hide their sexual feelings.

[Guy2345]

So, because women have managed to obfuscate their true feelings and agendas for a protracted period of time, that's why they can objectify men, without being called out on it? So, what you're saying is that it's a lack of truthiness, fear, and real honesty that is to blame for the hypocrisy of feminists crying about objectification, while openly feeling completely free to objectify men?

[GAGSUCKS333]

@Guy2345 it always starts in the media though, so the root problem isn't truthiness, fear, and real honesty but more of a manipulative media that toys with our perception day in and day out.

[Guy2345]

@gagsucks333 My comments were directed at @LostPanda. I actually mostly agree with you. The media does foment double-standards and shines a light on the ugly underbelly of humanity - of both the masculine and feminine varieties - if it bleeds, it leads. The media is a biased voice, intended to sell their "story"... but their "story" isn't required to be perfectly accurate or unbiased... Just noteworthy, provocative, and "monetized"...

[Guy2345]

@gagsucks333 And, yes, it does have to do with women's truthiness, fear, and honesty. If you think otherwise, you're feeling yourself. This is absolutely an underlying root cause.

[GAGSUCKS333]

@Guy2345 no. root cause refers to where it all stems from. People dont just end up manipulating their own perception, they are manipulated by others which in this case is the media. a womens truthiness, fear, and honesty is the effect of what they have been taught.

[Guy2345]

@gagsucks333 It's also a personal observation, over my 4 decades of experience in this society. I have a perfectly functional inference engine. I'm also quite capable of making reasoned observations. Don't get me wrong - I do see this improving, in an overall sense.

However, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We're not mindless drones, waiting to be programmed by the evil media conglomerate empire. Maybe you are, but I'm perfectly capable of seeing the world through my own eyes. And, yes, we ALL deal with truthiness, fear, and honesty issues. How men materialize those issues is different from how women do, but don't be fooled. The media may foist a one-sided or faulty narrative over the proverbial fence, but I have a fully-functional BS meter.

[Guy2345]

By the way, any outcome CAN and often DOES have more than one root cause... Try doing the Japanese Kaizen process of "5 Why's" a couple times in a row, and you'll find this out in a hurry...

[Guy2345]

Your 20 years of experience hasn't taught you as much as you think, Paduan Learner... But thanks for playing. Please come back and visit again...

[GAGSUCKS333]

@Guy2345 are you senile or something? come back and visit again? dude, you look dumb as hell right now lol. you are way to arrogant to admit the obvious root cause which is the media. Peoples feelings can be used as tools and manipulated, that doesn't make you a ''mindless drone'' you idiot. Its just human nature. We are emotional beings and the media feeds off from that. If we did not have media, we would not have the influence that we see today. This is common sense. The media conditions people from a young age, and we grow up into it. Maybe you dont understand this because you are old and you dont realize just how much we are invested in media these days as we are in the age of technology where we are connected globally but you should think before you speak. I have learned a lot, but you are clearly to dense and pretentious to admit the obvious culprit because you dont want to look wrong. if there was no media, we wouldn't have this wide spread problem we see today.

[GAGSUCKS333]

now this is the last reply you will get from me, because I know you will go to hell and back to prove a point which isn't there. Whats ironic is you said you agreed with me, now you are going off like an idiot making no sense. you dont have a point nor are you using logic, you just want to argue.

[kaylaS91]

https://i.imgflip.com/11t7s1.jpg
To continue the cycle of how many MRA/redpill sites there are supposedly advocating for 'men's rights', but making it a challenge to find a single mention of men OR their rights as you sift through countless essays written by men spouting off about how ALL women are manipulative, slutty cunts who were put on earth to screw over 'nice' guys.

[BasilBrushSays]

Well dating and marriage is oppressive to men. Also they're both systems of prostitution.

[ADFSDF1996]

Real MRA pages don't post rants, sure there are bad apples here and there but most MRAs just want to end misandry. They don't hate women, they simply want men not be neglected.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays
dating and marriage both forms of prostitution? lol. What in the fuck? I'm going to assume you were raised in an extremely patriarchal culture and/or religion what-with your being the one viewing both of those as serving no purpose other than to satisfy male's sexual needs. 🤣

[kaylaS91]

hm. I've yet to stumble upon a 'real' MRA site then, I guess. Interesting how much popularity 'fake' ones (ie. r/mensrights) tend to get nevertheless!

[ADFSDF1996]

That sounds like a Reddit MRA page. I'm referring to some of the Facebook MRA pages.

[kaylaS91]

ok I'll take your word for it.
Either way, I guess it's safe to conclude that, like certain 'men'ts right's' sites objectify women for the sake of promoting men receiving more rights, certain feminist sites (ie. buzzfeed) will objectify men to raise awareness for increased amounts of women's rights.

[ADFSDF1996]

I think the problem with the divide between men's groups and women's groups is that the bad apples in both groups (men's and women's) are known for being very vocal about their extreme views. So their ideas get more publicity than the ones who are normal.

[kaylaS91]

yeah, I agree^.
I actually had to unsubscribe to r/theredpill (as advised by my boyfriend) a few months back because the more time I'd spend on that forum, trying to empathize with and really get where most of those men were coming from, the more hateful I began getting towards all guys, my boyfriend included.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays aawee, there there. I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences with women but bitching about generalizations you create and hold against ALL women as a result is going to harm nobody but yourself.

[BasilBrushSays]

Whatever you assume about my experience and not go off topic... explain why it's not prostitution?

[BasilBrushSays]

The simple answer is you can't explain or come up with a legit argument except lead to childish mockery.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays not sure where you're seeing 'childish mockery'?
Anyhow, moving past your delusions, it's not prostitution because most men (ie. not the select few who are so socially inept that they choose to live a life dedicated to moaning about how evil women are as a means of coping with their inability to successfully win one's affection) choose to date/marry women not only for the sexual benefits. Believe it or not but men, just like women, have emotional needs, as well as the need for mental support from their partner. I mean, society would really go to shit if ALL men began to partake in acting like angsty pre-teens and writing essays about how much they detest women, in hopes that this will magically make things better for them, no?

[BasilBrushSays]

What are you talking about? Why you judging and assuming these things when you don't know me. Dating is meant to be equal investments but women invest nothing. It just leads to the women selling and the man having to buy or invest. I might as well pay for a high end escort for a good time if women are not going to bring anything to table but her fat ass and self entitled bitchy attitude. Why can't a man's company, personality and loyalty, be good enough to be rewarded with sex. All that women do is use sex as a weapon, favour or rewards rather than seeing it as something mutual, I'll give a woman my loyalty and relationship but I want my needs met too.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays
I'm not assuming anything at all, though?
Your bitterness about women and how they approach relationships (in your own unique reality, at least) is clear as day.
'but women invest nothing.'

[BasilBrushSays]

Well tell me what women invest then? I don't understand what women expect me to offer besides relationship, loyalty, time, energy, being a nice and caring but get no sexual reward in return. Relationships are about meeting each others needs but women will only put out if I spend money on them or sometimes either use me for freebies or on dates, make me work for it by having to entertain her like some performing monkey, flake out on me or piss me around and get nothing. All that energy, time, money wasted and get nothing in return when I could of been doing something else like making money. I might as well spend hard cash on a high end escort for a good time, at least am guranteed respect and good quality sex.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays women invest the same shit men do.

[BasilBrushSays]

Like what?

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays emotions, money, time..

[BasilBrushSays]

What emotions, money and time do women put in? Emotions? Men have to do all the approaching, escalating, paying, time and effort with guranteed reward. It's like gambling or rolling dice.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays lol it's not my fault that the only female interaction you've had has been at at the sleaziest brothel in town.

[kaylaS91]

@BasilBrushSays.. k. feel free to stop spewing such garbage any time now. :)

[Guy2345]

@kaylaS91 I'm not saying that I agree entirely with @basilbrush, but he isn't entirely off base, either. Socially speaking, men have largely had to be the "initiator" and "risk-taker", in any new relationship. A woman's level of risk had historically been to whether to say "Yes" or "No" to a date with the make propositioner. Guys have been in this role for so long, that we've gotten a thicker-skin to rejection. Women are less likely to put themselves out there and ask a man on a date, because rejection sucks. Rejection is a soul-sucking, painful feeling and women are ruthless, sometimes, in the process of rejection a man's advances. Really, truly, make the guy feel like crap, cause he had the audacity to think for a second that she might be interested in developing a relationship. Because of this, we come across as the aggressors and women get to sit back and whine/cry about how he "stared at me too long..."

[Guy2345]

By the way, how many dates do you make a guy take you on before you allow any intimacy? 3? 5? I guess your paying the bill, half the time, right? or are you making him pay for it all? If you're making him pay for all the dates, guess what... You're turning yourself into a prostitute, just in a really slow fashion, broken up over time...

[kaylaS91]

@Guy2345 lol A+ for effort in terms of desperately trying to validate whatever point you're trying to make. To answer your questions:
-I decide to sleep with a guy when I want to. Not based on a pre-determined amount of successful dates.
-My boyfriend and I usually go dutch when it comes to paying the bill at restaurants. Unless it's one of our birthdays or whatever, in which case we'll treat the other.

Try harder, chump.

[musicbrain5]

It's Buzzfeed. What else do you expect from them? It's a terrible website overall and they treat their employees like shit.

There's websites that objectify men and there's websites that objectify women, and some do both. Just seems to be the way things are nowadays.

[Theearthisflat]

I agree. This is sexist. If they were talking about a woman, people would freak out.

[Theearthisflat]

Thanks for MHOHO

[ADFSDF1996]

You're welcome.

[AleDeEurope]

They're feminists, they're hypocrites by nature.

Buzzfeed is the first one to jump to your neck if you think a woman has nice boobs, but they're also the first ones to make an article filled with pictures of guys on basketball shorts showing their dickline.

Feminist = hypocrites, gotta get used to it.

[Carley99]

So what's wrong with the men with dick print in basketball shorts?

[AleDeEurope]

@Carley99 Nothing wrong with that in particular, what's wrong is the hypocrisy. That's what @asker and I are pointing out.

[Carley99]

Ohk then but I gave my option and I still got so many down votes

[TheDerpyDeed]

feminism should be bombed out of existence, neither men or women should be objectified, equality over gender and race should be our goal.

anything else?

[Listening5]

Damn ur only 13 and sound more mature than those old feminists 👍🏻

[TheDerpyDeed]

I filled it in wrong, sorry I'm 17
and I try to help...
if you really believe I'm mature or wise, thanks but I don't know where I got it from

[Insidious]

Nothing wrong with objectifying men

It is ok to objectify women to.

Just because some women do not like it... jelousy? Does not make it wrong.

Other women love being the eye candy.

Whether some people like it or not. Visual attraction plays a very large role in attraction and desire.

Men are visually stimulated, always have been and always will be.

This idea that you can tell a man what he finds attractive is ridiculous. I could not care less what media shows and says is attractive. I have my own tastes. So does everyone else on the planet.

[hospitable_pepperoni]

I consider myself a feminist, but it pisses me off when websites like that object the objectification of women but then go on and objectify men. After all feminism is supposed to be equality for /everyone/ not just women.

[Laura_Marx]

Objectify =/= discuss being attracted to

Very rarely are men 'reduced to sexual objects' - both of the men in your example are introduced first by their job, for example. Although it does happen, regardless; black men are sexually objectified a lot in media comparatively, tbh. But the examples weren't that.

Besides, if you think the way those str8 women talk about men is bad, you should hear how we lesbians talk about each other :P it's not 'objectification'!!

[ADFSDF1996]

I'm only showing the titles of the articles, you should read what those articles say about the men. It's not surprising that the people running that website posted that about the bodyguard. The people known as SJWs are notorious for favoritism, they care about certain people but they neglect other people. They complete neglect the Asian communities.

[Laura_Marx]

why do you say that?

[ADFSDF1996]

It's true, the people known as SJWs only care about the well being of certain groups while neglecting other groups (favoritism).

[Laura_Marx]

I mean specifically about neglecting Asian communities

[ADFSDF1996]

www.google.com/.../asians-face-racism-social-justice-warriors-accuse-them-privilege

[Guy2345]

Hey, when you lose a job for making a polite compliment to a woman, because there's no real empirical definition of "Sexual Harassment", then come talk to us. Until then, recognize that you're a clueless hypocrite. Just because you, and those around you, speak in more aggressive language, doesn't mean that people, specifically men, haven't been harmed socially, financially, and a hundred other ways, for saying, "Nice dress" to a co-worker or colleague, or perhaps staring "too long"... It's called "leering" and can land a man in hot water. Mostly women, who claim sexual harassment, by the way...

[FakeName123]

"Objectify =/= discuss being attracted to"

That is the exact same problem. Where is the line between objectifying and being attracted to? Who says where that line is? Who decides that? And why is it ok when women do it, but not when men do it?

I think that's the entire point of the thread-starter. I doubt he cares about women doing it. His point is to show the double-standard - especially from websites who proudly proclaim how they are against objectification just to do it themselves.

Not that it is any surprising how those people are hypocrites, since its nothing new that many of those holier than thou types are psychologically projecting.

[yesthesun1994]

The real intention of feminism was to fight for equal rights for women. There is always an issue with discrimination. Just like there is discrimination against those with mental illness , LGBT people , disabled people etc. , unfortunately feminism has lost it's real message of what it truly means to be a feminist. Now it's just yelling at people and for some reason that is supposed to stop misogyny.

If you want to make change in this world and stop any kind of discrimination, you have to make an effort. Lobbying , political campaigning etc.

And for the question , NOT ALL MEN are misogynistic. Some are. Men that are sexist should be the ones to fight against.

You can't just objectify all men. That makes no sense.

Target the real problem and stop being so politically correct

[BasicFlake]

Most of the time men don't honestly care and only pretend to care when it's an opportunity to score points against supposed feminists. "I'm so objectified", said no man ever.

[Carley99]

And what's wrong with that you see women looking sexy on almost everything so what if it happens to men and this is one of the reasons why men say that women aren't visuals because we hardly see a lot of these, honestly I don't really see a problem with it

[ADFSDF1996]

That's not the problem, the problem is the hypocrisy of those websites.

[Carley99]

I don't know about that website bashing men about looking at a woman's body so I can't say

[MaxxiBonn]

Okay, it's just about a nice butt. Nothing wrong with that.
At least it's not mainstream porn that shows girls having their mouths stuffed so much they start gagging.
Or a Bodybuilding. com article telling you not to take your girl to the gym because you won't be able to check out other girls...

[Guy2345]

How many men have lost jobs and/or careers for a "simple compliment"? Hypocrite.

[sedrftvgyhujik]

@Guy2345 But not for reading articles on women with the perfect ass.
Honestly i think if its made more obvious that women have a pervy side and it's not just a male thing it might help sexual harassment against men in the workplace to be taken more seriously.

[CubsterShura]

Oh BuzzFeed. They had a hot guys newsletter, had an article saying that these boys can get us pregnant without touching... I don't like it.

[lilthat]

Buzzfeed is a trash website. Never trust their "news" stories as they're extremely biased and not a good source--unless of course you're searching for a strange feminist video or a food testing/review session video! lmao

[batmanxtacos]

I think for me a compliment is very different from objectifying. If you say that person has a nice butt, smile, hair etc... its a compliment. If you start forgetting that there's a person connected to those features thats a problems. Thats objectifying. The treatment of the person makes it either or.

[Guy2345]

Perhaps you should tell that to the innumerable number of men, who've been accused of "Sexual Harassment" for saying, "That's a lovely dress." or "You look lovely today"... Borderline hypocrisy!

[batmanxtacos]

Thats not the same case. The point of the discussion was the articles that slam objectifying women and do it to men.

[Guy2345]

Umm... Yeah... If you "slam" the objectification of women, by men, why aren't the SJW feminists "shouting down" the objectification of men, by women?

[LotusDragon666]

I think true equality would be being able to talk about any butt. Who cares if it comes from a man or a woman. as long as they are respectful about it then talk away about that fire butt.

[natured]

Awww, welcome to our world !!!
I'm not a hardcore feminist though, I love old-school...
But... WELCOME TO OUR WORLD THIS HAPPENS TO US WOMEN EVERY DAY.
And trust me again... my comment has nothing to do with being feminist or not :)

[xBreezy]

He's just calling out the hypocrisy
Most guys won't give a fuck about being objectified.
I mean most women won't either if the guy objectifying them was attractive, they love it in that case.

[natured]

@xBreezy They, Them , They Them... WHO? Honestly, generalizing in this case would not help us much, we're all different and we react different, some women might like it if the dude is attractive (Whatever attractive means to you), and some just don't like it because they don't like it no matter by who it comes, if it's not a compliment from their own boyfriend then THEY SIMPLY DON'T LIKE IT > i'm one of those...
And I do understand HIM and I understand he is calling out the hypocrisy, but I hate the words THEY AND THEM... I want to know WHO !!!

[xBreezy]

Women love it when men give them attention.
They only whine about it the guy is unattractive.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@xBreezy Nah, it's not the same. Men are not hypocritical about objectifying women but women are. They complain about how men only want them for sex but they make themselves into hypersexualized objects. Men don't (generally) wear makeup for example. Women will complain incessantly about how they are a human being too but later slink off to sites like buzzfeed or gawker (which was sued multiple times for blatantly disregarding the privacy of men's personal lives and eventually shut down for that) where they parade men around as the same sexual objects they object to being portrayed as. Hypocrisy 101.

[natured]

@Wwwyzzerdd @xBreezy ... generalizing is unhealthy :) just so you know... have a wonderful one ;)

[xBreezy]

I don't hate women who aren't feminist
Have a good one too.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@xBreezy Same. She's just nitpicking instead of continuing the discussion. Talking to a brick wall.

[natured]

i don't get the point... why are you all so offended by a simple and harmless comment?
I'm not saying that it's right to objectify whoever wheter it is a woman or a man or an animal or a plant...
I could switch and just say ohhhh thats wrong you can't do that but the second i leave the house there will be men outside catcalling me and whistle at me... sure not all men do.. but why does my comment bother you two so much? We can continue i don't mind 😊

[xBreezy]

I don't think you really understood what OP was getting at.
He says that these feminazi websites always whine and bitch about men objectifying women and how it's sexist and misogynistic but when you reverse the roles not only they do not have a problem but they also encourage reverse objectification.
The thing is OP wasn't saying he has a problem with male objectification (Men don't care about petty issues) he has a problem with these websites who objectify men but piss on anyone who objectifies women.

[natured]

Sure... but i don't think my comment has anything to do with those sort of species 🤗

[alltheabove1212]

Can we all agree that Buzzfeed is the worst thing on the internet?

[ADFSDF1996]

I agree.

[Cola7248]

I'm not a feminist so why they do it i dont know. to me it double standard.

[scarlett]

It's BuzzFeed, what do you expect? I never take anything they say seriously.

[Crapulux]

Buzzfeed is a cesspit of SJWs, double standards and hypocrisy... and they're not alone LOL

https://i.imgur.com/WGrjgan.jpg

You could stop going to these useless websites and generating ad revenue for them...

[Zendrya]

because for some reason people don't think men can be objectified because in general they are sexual people.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Implying that women aren't sexual?

[Zendrya]

@Wwwyzzerdd correct

[TheDerpyDeed]

all men?
please refrain from assuming all are the same.
in case I misinterpreted, sorry.

[Zendrya]

@TheDerpyDeed huh?

[TheDerpyDeed]

assuming ALL men are sexual and ALL women aren't?

cause I know MANY cases that prove this wrong...
my girlfriend (pansexual) really likes to let's say "play"
and I know a few men who don't, not with anyone, they just don't think that way...

[Zendrya]

@TheDerpyDeed that was the point... the point is everyone generalizes men to be sexual being and females to not be. Also you're 13, keep your pants on

[TheDerpyDeed]

23, thanks for judging

[Zendrya]

@TheDerpyDeed well should a 13 year old really be doing sexual things? No

[TheDerpyDeed]

again, 23, the thing switched my age 10 years back upon selecting birth date.

thanks for judging -_-

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@TheDerpyDeed Well your info isn't correct so she isn't judging, she's reading the info you provided.

@ Zendrya Now I see what you mean. Yes, there is a stigma that men are sexual and women are not. I blame media and especially Hollywood, the corporate brainwashing machine. Oh, and feminists "rape culture" which demonizes men before they even have a chance to have normal sexual relationships and side skirts any personal responsibility for an individual male rather lumping them into a "all men are rapists" stigma.

[Dale1982]

Your entitled to objectify the opposite sex all you want. Girls like guys and guys like girls. Those protesting it are the ugly people in the world who wouldn't be objectified if they paid people. Angry, ugly lesbians and streak of piss, gawpy wankers moan about this shit all the time. Men and women aren't district groups, it's just a collective term for a gender. We're not a commitee or a gang with a leadership so don't speak on my behalf