The Massacre in Orlando is Now the Worst in American History

[RainbowFanGirl]

It seemed like it was going to be a fun time for people heading to Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, but this fun time had soon turned deadly.

On early Sunday morning at 2 a.m., Eastern time, a heavily armed gunman had open fired with a AR-15 type rifle and handgun in the packed nightclub, killing 50 people. 53 people, including a police officer were also wounded in this deadly attack, and were rushed to the hospital.

The suspect had been identified as Omar Manteen, 29 of Port Lucie, Florida. He was a security officer and was licensed to carry a firearm. His father, Mir Seddique, says that he is "in shock", and stated that his son had previously expressed anti gay thoughts, which may have lead up to the attack.

Other media outlets have said that the gunman was Muslim, but his father has stated that this had nothing to do with religion, and was only in unfortunate mishap.

FBI Special Agent Ronald Hopper says the case was being reviewed as a terrorist attack, either domestic or international. It is unclear if the shooter was alone on this attack, but they are seeing if this attack was connected with radical Islam or not.

According to USA Today, Police Chief John Mina said the tragedy began at 2:02 a.m., when three police officers engaged the suspect in a gun battle outside the club. A hostage situation then took place inside, and a SWAT team was called in, Mina said. Police received updates from patrons trapped in the club, and decided to storm the club at about 5 a.m.

Pulse shooting: In hail of gunfire in which suspect was killed, OPD officer was hit. Kevlar helmet saved his life. pic.twitter.com/MAb0jGi7r4

— Orlando Police (@OrlandoPolice) June 12, 2016

The shooter was then declared dead at the scene.

"Our biggest concern was further loss of life. We exchanged gunfire with the suspect, and he was dead at the scene."

Pulse Shooting: The shooter inside the club is dead.

— Orlando Police (@OrlandoPolice) June 12, 2016

The events that took place at Pulse is now officially declared as the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

Pulse is asking for your support through these tragic events.

As soon as we have any information we will update everyone. Please keep everyone in your prayers as we work... https://t.co/3EY0fQ926m

— Pulse Orlando (@pulseorlando) June 12, 2016

My thoughts on the tragedy...

Why does stuff like this keep occurring? Just not too long ago, Christina Grimmie was declared dead in the same exact city the day before this occurred, now 50 people are dead as well? When will this violence stop?

It is sad that people have to go on killing sprees in the name of religion, or just simply out of spite. According to several news outlets, they are investigating if this was a terrorist attack or not, but if it was, why? People should not use their religion as justification to kill innocent people who were out to have a good time. Killing innocent people is never justified, and should never be okay. I'm glad that the shooter is dead, though, so he cannot harm anymore. Extremists and radicalism of ANY group of people do more harm than good.

Who cares if these people are gay? They were only living their lives, just like anybody else. They did not deserve to die for expressing their sexuality. They are just like you and me on the inside, and killing innocent people does nothing at all. It only causes more conflict and further divides us.

To put it simply, it feels like the world is going to crap. All of these killings that were literally hours apart. When will this violence end?

My heart goes out of the family of the victims, and I wouldn't blame them if they did not ever recover from this tragedy...

Be prepared for a take on the deadliest massacres in history, which should be coming soon...

[RationalMale]

With an influx of islamic migrants wrecking havoc in Paris and Belgium, why are we surprised to see a Muslim massacre homosexuals in the USA? Homosexuality is a death penalty crime in many Islamic nations.

Things are going to get worse before it gets better. Either the USA becomes a more 'diverse' police state to keep groups in line, or Trump gets elected and starts cleaning house...

[SilenRose]

The shooter was born in the U. S.

[RationalMale]

@SilenRose Being born in the USA does not an American make.

[Marinepilot]

Afraid you're right.

[That1Thing]

I thought he said he didn't have any thing to do with the Muslim religion.

[CheerGirl38139]

@That1Thing I thought I saw something about him being recruited by Isis, but that may not turn out to be fact

[Rissyanne]

Very well said!!!

[JRICHARDS1996]

@That1Thing It does now. He called 911 and pledged the attack to ISIS.

[noneoftheabove]

@JRICHARDS1996 yup the BBC in the uk also reported that.

[UnknownXYZ]

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The double standards are huge here. So if being born in USA doesn't make someone an American, what does?

[RationalMale]

@UnknownXYZ Being American is heritage, ideology, and blood. It's Western Heritage. Saying this Omar guy was American is as true as saying Nidal Hassan was an American... not at all.

[JRICHARDS1996]

I'm not sure I can agree with you here, and I am pretty conservative. I agree that immigration is ridiculous and we need to think more about preserving our Western heritage. But I disagree that there is something distinct about being 'American' since the United States had various sorts of people in it since the beginning, from African slaves to Native Americans to even Europeans of a different culture, some Catholic and some Protestant etc.

[RationalMale]

@JRICHARDS1996 If you want to be precise, actually there is. It was legally established and held for several hundred years what being an "American" is. The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character.

TAKAO OZAWA v. United States: "In all of the naturalization acts from 1790 to 1906 the privilege of naturalization was confined to white persons [260 U. S. 178, 193], although the exact wording of the various statutes was not always the same. If Congress in 1906 desired to alter a rule so well and so long established it may be assumed that its purpose would have been definitely disclosed and its legislation to that end put in unmistakable terms..."

[JRICHARDS1996]

If your goal is to preserve Western heritage (hint: Christianity) then that is a stupid standard to abide by. African Americans and Hispanics from Latin America are more likely to be religious and traditional per the inherited heritage of their European colonizers. I care more about preserving a Western society than a racially monolithic one. Especially when so many Whites have become Muslims or college liberals.

[That1Thing]

You're American if you're born in America. No denying that. It's actual fact. However, you can be a homegrown terrorist.

[RationalMale]

@JRICHARDS1996 Problem is, Christianity alone does not Western Civilization make. Western Civilization is something Europeans and descendants of Europeans have done... no one else.

Just look at Latin American nations and compare them to the USA. They plenty religious, sure. Plenty catholic/christian. Hardly the same culture as the USA or Europe, they are hugely different from the USA or Europe.

Simple reality is that Western Civilization only exists with whites--and certain breeds of whites. Russians and Eastern Europeans are white and very Orthodox Christian, yet their nations have never been even close to Western Civilization. It's a completely different society and culture, same as it was in War and Peace. Like comparing Labradors and Collies...

[RationalMale]

@JRICHARDS1996 Can you name me one nation on this planet that is non-white/non-European, and has made a nation truly a part of Western Civilization? Greece began it thousands of years ago, England improved it, and the USA was a perfect embodiment of it. Can you name me one single non white nation that belongs in the classification of "Western Civilization"? It's not just Christianity!

[JRICHARDS1996]

Japan. At least as far as industrialism is concerned.

[RationalMale]

@JRICHARDS1996 industry does not western civilization make.

[krash2002]

Religion as a whole isn't entirely the problem. It's the mindset that people allow themselves to go with is the issue. Though I know good, decent, and faithful Muslims aren't in the wrong and are undeserving and the way they are being treated. It would help greatly if Muslim leaders from around the world stood up and denounced ISIS. From there, to start a program or work together to reform the Teachings of what ISIS is trying to teach. To battle them with wits, and not swords. Allow other's to realize that the way ISIS is using religion as a shield is wrong, and does not truly follow the entirety of what Islam is all about.

[rgb008]

What I don't understand is how the father can say killing 50 people was an "unfortunate mishap"
Sounds like the rapists dad saying his "moment of action"
Just fucking realize what your children did. They're horrible people.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I know right. :/ It was his fault for killing all of those people.

[rgb008]

Yeah :(
Like I know it's hard to realize what some people (especially family) can be capable of, but this was more than a "mishap"

[Nice_Guy_Last]

It may be Muslims right now, but it was Atheists in the Soviet Union and other communist countries, Christians in the Witch Trials, Inquisition, and Crusades, Pagans in the Dark Ages, Numan's during the Christian Persecution, Jews during the settling of modern day Israel.
What is to be noted that despite all of those differences, the people in charge of these eras of violence are not driven by religious beliefs, but by power and the desire for wealth. The leaders of ISIS don't care about Islam as a religion of people, they care about it as a means to motivate others to do their bidding. You can, however, replace any religion, any -ism and have the same result: while people may be driven by belief, causes are driven by greed.
Do not forget that Islam is the same religion that unified the Seljuk Turks, an empire that held the torch of learning and culture while Europe was a disarrayed mess of book burnings, slavery (barbarians like the Vikings taking hostages and selling them to wealthy individuals for gold to finance their campaigns), and other hallmarks of a fallen society.
It's not about the ideology. It's about the people that follow the faith, their motivations and the susceptibility to manipulation.

[Rawrzz]

Really just the same old same old. Nothing different from the other 400 mass shootings per year in the U. S., defined by 4 or more casualties. Just the number of bodies.

And you're jumping to conclusions, just like my family is. His father said it had nothing to do with his religion. We do not know what the shooter's motivations were, at this time, aside from a hatred of gays.

"Violence is bad, but I'm glad that the shooter is dead." I don't know if you can see the hypocrisy in your words, but you question why these shootings keep happening, then express the idea that you are glad a specific person is dead. Are you sure you don't understand his motivations more intimately than you first thought?

As for "It feels like the world is going to crap," the world has been shit from day one. The only difference is you were probably sheltered from it or ignored it. It was significantly more violent in the 80s. It's about as violent today as it was in the 1950s, a time heralded as one of the most peaceful, ever--even with all the racial inequality and shit.

It only seems like the world is "going to crap", because of the media. Every little thing that happens, we are intimately tuned in to. The only difference is how much of it you see. It's always been there.

[ObscuredBeyond]

I have often said that when you place those who engage in buggery on sacred cow status, but then also place Islam on sacred cow status, you are setting yourself up for disaster. Islam + LGBTQPIZp = powder keg. Whether they're syncretizing, or throwing each other off rooftops, these two combined turn every place into a hellhole.

Now, we have a huge media paradox:

You don't want to address what the engagers in buggery are doing that offended the Muslim and expose it for what it is, because others who engage in buggery will get offended. But you don't want to address the specifics of Islam and its various sects and their varying views on buggerist behavior, and how that influenced a young man to become a terrorist. Because that would offend Muslims.

At the same time, the killer was unequivocally most definitely not a white man. So media can't blame an unrelated church congregation and shift the blame on its favorite usually-irrelevant scapegoat. So... how do you spin something like this?

And the more we turn a blind eye to ISIS setting up shop in places like Florida and Dearborn, the more this will happen.

I've said years ago: once the western church has been effectively neutered, robbed of the ability to positively transform anyone, the gays and Muslims will eventually turn on each other. Which has to feel very uncomfortable for Obama, who has made his living trying to reconcile these two extremes - at the expense of everything in-between them.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Try the eastern church. I'm Eastern Orthodox. Russia is still strong, alive, and masculine with Putin not tolerating any of this progressive Islam bullshit.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@JRICHARDS1996 : There are plenty of other issues in the Eastern church. The Coptics, however, have none of the crap of either east or west. Which is why they were targeted first by ISIS: a quest to purge one of the purest forms from the Earth, so only the "culturally-tainted" variations remain. And from there, along comes playing politics.

Yes, the Eastern church appears to have more of a spine right now. But for how long? I'm concerned the Western one will either grow a spine, or commit suicide.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Honestly, I'm afraid it will not be very long. The Russian jurisdiction is still very strong and conservative, but the Greeks and particularly the Ecumenical Patriarch have grown increasingly liberal. We are holding a pan-Orthodox council right now and there is fear that it is going to be our equivalent of Vatican II, which is precisely why Russia refused to attend.

[MargaritaPeach]

Recent history, perhaps. On September 11, 1857, in the Mountain Meadows Massacre in southern Utah, 120 innocent men, women, children and infants belonging to the Fancher party wagon train were slaughtered by religious zealots. Most of them were gunned down after being drawn out into the open, and the remainder hatcheted or stoned to death. Only a few babies and toddlers were spared. And thousands of native Americans from dozens of tribes were killed in cold blood during that same time period. How quick we are to forget that violence and bloodshed have been ingrained in our country's past since it's bloody birth.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I didn't know that.

[MargaritaPeach]

Don't feel bad; almost no one knows about it! ;) For some reason it's not in many history books. There was a movie made about a few years ago, though. I think it was called September Dawn or something like that. So sad that there is do much violence in our country. You'd think we would be the happiest and most peaceful people.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Wow that is so horrible.

[Sara413]

So fucking heartbreaking. For that kind of violence to rain down in what is supposed to be a safe space for a heavily discriminated against and terrorized minority community just makes it so, so much worse. And then that other asshole who thankfully was arrested on his way to LA Pride with guns and other dangerous materials... fuck... what a terrifying day for the lgbt community everywhere.

I cannot imagine what lgbt people everywhere are going through right now. I cannot imagine how terrifying the choice they have to make is... Participate in pride and deny these evil men their desire to inflict terror on their community, or stay home and stay safe. I will not judge either choice.

[uknaked]

Unfortunately there are too many religions which preach intolerance of what, to us, is normal and natural.
The shooter had an internal conflict between the religious crap rammed down his throat by extremists, and his own gay desires, which culminated in this tragedy.
In my view the blame for this rests with religious doctrine, not just Islam, there are many other religious doctrines that do not embrace diversity and natural, normal sexual orientation, including Jewish and Catholic, but it does seem to be the radical Islamists who cause this type of horrendous loss of life by radicalising kids. Somehow this must be stopped.

[sparkly-crystal]

His driving point to causing these acts are religious. If you don't know by now, Islam goes beyond merely disapproving of homosexuality. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, it is punishable by death. You can argue at the peace Islam says but it only goes contradicting itself, morals, law, values and ideals the West holds today. And you may argue at being a peaceful Muslim, that you can be, but only by going against the religious scriptures that support violence, hatred and inequality but that would make you a contradicting hypocrite.

[beautifulangel76]

Doesn't their bible say that they are supposed to kill anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs and stuff? I don't understand why people say it's a peaceful religion when things like this happen all the time.

[TheOneI]

@beautifulangel76 where did you get that idea?

[Oram52]

So if I may ask are you athiest? A Christian going against homosexuality would also be considered "a contradicting hypocrite."

For 17 you sound very smart.

[Tanuron]

Easier you make it for people to kill each other the more they will take advantage of it. Are so many people in todays society who could easily kill with a gun and choose to do so, that would never in a million years even dare to do it up close and personal with say a knife. I seriously hate guns.

In either case, am terrible sorry for the ones involved. aren't any word good enough to bring any comfort. Always worst on the ones left behind. Hope at least all the wounded will make it.

[SüßeJäger]

I'm sorry to say, these will never end and you're correct when you say the world is going to crap. I agree with your post. It's a terrible thing that happened.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Thank you. :)

[SüßeJäger]

One reason I carry a gun everywhere.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Consider yourself very lucky. Here in California our 2nd Amendment rights are viewed merely as an inconvenient privilege at best, with the court recently ruling that we cannot conceal carry. But I do not care. I am going to teach my children how to carry someday regardless of the law because I would rather deal with a felony charge than a dead or kidnapped child.

[SüßeJäger]

@JRICHARDS1996 I feel sorry for decent, informed Californians. My wife (ex but we're on good terms) is from Riverside. We flew down once to bring her car and a few things back so, i didn't have a gun. I brought some of my store money with me to buy a pistol just to have with us on the trip back then i would just resale it in my store. Anyway, I, being a FEDERALLY licensed gun dealer could not buy a gun in Riverside, a place with less laws than say LA county. Insane and sad.

[oreodair]

This has been a very sad weekend. It sucks that guns, made to protect, are being used in such terrible ways. These guns get into the hands of people who are not mentally stable enough to handle the weapon. They have a goal not to protect themselves, but to kill. Sometimes even without reason.

[bluenose1872]

Its intentional. The media fanning the flames and the politicians pushing us all together. We hate them and they hate us. Why are we trying to live together? We couldnt be more opposite. His dad can talk shit all he wants. Of course it was religion behind this. The ruling class want a religious war thats why theyre forcing the issue. They want the military in the streets and peoples human rights torn up. The white west is going to start slaughtering soon and there won't be a muslim left west of turkey. Everybodies had enough

[WeeGeeTheSecond]

This is what happens when we let SWJs and degenerate, retarded politicians dictate whether you should have weapons or not.
Imagine if at least five of those 50 were carrying a gun inside Pulse.. The story would be very different, but no.

SJWs, understand this once and for all: You either give people freedom or you don't. There is no middle ground. Either people are free to be gun carrying gay atheists that can say what they want, eat what they want and smoke what they want, or they aren't. You can't defend one sort of liberty or the other without being a hypocrite and/or making other people suffer for it (like it happened today)

[RainbowFanGirl]

I thought "SJWs" wanted gun control laws.

[sweettckae]

but that guy was a security, he had a right to own a gun for safety. clearly he was irresponsible.

[WeeGeeTheSecond]

I think you two are not getting the point when you talk about "hurr, its just gun control" or "but there was armed security... outside... that could do absolutely nothing about it"

[sweettckae]

probably. I don't like talking about politics so I'm unsure of the topic. but I think people should not be allowed to own guns. it's getting out of hand.

[gaaxure]

Hate to rain on your gun owner's parade there buddy, but only thing that'd change would be whose bullets it was that killed the people. 5 uncoordinated, armed people in a dimly lit, crowded nightclub in the middle of shootout is a recipe for a disaster.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@gaaxure On the contrary, concealed carriers often have to undergo greater training than even police officers to be able to exercise their right. So it would be no more of a disaster than having armed police at the scene. In fact, it would probably be less of a disaster due to the aforementioned fact.

[WeeGeeTheSecond]

Oh yeah? A recipe for disaster? Oh, i remember, IT WAS ALREADY A DISASTER, you retarded fuck. And it will continue being a series of multiple disasters if this keeps on. "Gun free zones" are the worst joke America has ever invented.

And once again, people were killed because of stupid laws and stupid ideology powered by a retarded mass of alienates. And you know what its worse? This doesn't apply just to the 'geniouses' of the left wing, it applies to the muslims and the right wing as well!
"hurr but islam is religion of peace its the extremists that ruin it". Well guess what, professional 'sociologist', the non extremists are the exception, not the rule. And as long as collectivism blinds the mind of the individual, people will continue being killed by things that aren't their fault.

May today remain as a lesson of that.

[thatkaruguy]

the orlando shooting was horrible and bad but not even close to the worst massacre in america not even the worst mass shooting. there's multiple that have triple the body count

[RainbowFanGirl]

Like?

[thatkaruguy]

sand creek, wounded knee, elaine, tulsa etc. all with death counts well over 100

[Anonymous]

You say "who cares if these people were gay". Islamist radicals do! Gays support Obama and Obama allows anyone in the country. This is the fruit of that cowardice and failure to protect his people. More is coming to the US as Obama allows Syrians in. Feminists are also going to be surprised when they are targeted by these terrorists. Who will fight to protect you? The police that you dispise? The conservative Christain white guy who traditionally has fought the wars and you also despise? Lol, well not me. I will convert before I fight for your lifestyle. Good luck with that, I will just sit on the sidelines.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Obviously…

[Hidden_P]

Keeping my thoughts to this and anything similar to this to myself.

However I am very sorry for peoples' loss. I hope the family get the support they need.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Me too.

[Hidden_P]

My experience with this site and events of this nature is don't even try to offer you're opinion or you too will be shot in the head.

[Cosytoasty]

Exactly what other opinion is there apart from it being a tragedy?

[Fearless_banana]

It's absolutely terrible. They are still clearing out bodies right now.. I wouldn't want to be the officer on duty to have to walk into that bloodbath scene.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Wow, are you serious? That is crazy. My heart goes out to the family's of the victims.

[gotc147]

The shooter was Muslim, Islam is as anti-gun as you can get, he killed them because they're gay and because his religion said he should.

People have been hurting and killing other people since the dawn of time, the violence will never stop. Take one method of murder away and they will use the next best thing, approaching the problem from this direction has proven to be ineffective.

The best way to stop people who prey on others is to SHOOT THEM.

[beautifulangel76]

So they are told to kill gay people? People always say that Islam is a peaceful religion but I saw something saying that they are supposed to kill others who don't share the same beliefs. I'm super confused.

[gotc147]

@beautifulangel76 Islam does teach violence against non-believers yes.

[UnknownXYZ]

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@beautifulangel76 Well, you are going to have to realise that Islam has many sects and Muslims believe in different things from the next. That's a fact with every faith.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@beautifulangel76 Sharia Law at least, which is the Islamic equivalent of Aquinas' articulation of Christianity, teaches that homosexuals are to be killed or severely beaten. Of course not every Muslim ascribes to this, just as not every Christian adheres to Aquinas or the Church Fathers, but it would be a great injustice to ignore the connection with Islam as the Left often does.

[Muhammad1999]

@gotc147 @beautifulangel76 only in some fake sharias make Muslims to be violent , Shaira is words of our prophet and some people were living at that time and the wrote everything our prophet said , but most of them wrote lies about Islam to make muslims angry , Shaira and Quran are Two different things , Shaira is words of our prophet but Quran is the Words of God , in Quran its written to not do any violence against someone not Islam it shows peace but the Shaira (which most of it is lie ) tells us to bomb our selves. Most good muslims just Read Quran coz its completely words of God and there's no lie in it.

[Anonymous]

www.google.co.uk/search this is often an occurrence in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria where Obama's drones are reaping similar civilian casualties. By a combination of a weak homeland security policy and a war mongering foreign policy it was only a matter of time before Obama brought this terror home. #TRUMPWASRIGHT

[JRICHARDS1996]

It keeps occurring because the sons of Ishmael are going to be sons of Ishmael no matter how much the Left ignores it and blames it on the guns. Say what you want about Bush, but at least counterterrorism experienced a renaissance under his administration. The same cannot be said for Obama. In either case, what did the Left expect? Radical Islam hates LGBTs even more than the American religious right does.

[Negrodamuss]

counter-terrorism wasn't as necessary until Bush fanned the flames in the middle east...

[CheerGirl38139]

@Negrodamuss errrmmmm... did you forget about 9/11 bro? And also the fact that Al-Queda also bombed the WTC when Clinton was POTUS waaaaaaay before GW Bush?

[Negrodamuss]

@CheerGirl38139 The level of counter terrorism that the USA had was sufficient... which is why Bush was warned of the attacks by bin laden beforehand, but did nothing. He's the one who dropped the ball... not the counter-terrorism networks

[CheerGirl38139]

@Negrodamuss I see. You're in the blame everything on Bush camp. 👌

[Negrodamuss]

@CheerGirl38139 Don't be so butthurt. Your man can take the blame for the problems he created. Others will take the blame for the problems they created. Easy to understand... no?

[CheerGirl38139]

@Negrodamuss bro... A) no one on GaG is capable of butt hurting me. B) GWB is not "my boy". C) He had only been in office a whopping 8 months on 9/11. And D) Clinton (in office for 8 years) is the one that blew off several chances to get bin Laden.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

I thinkle every POTUS should get credit and blame for things that did or didn't do. It just fucking kills me how obama/clinton have managed to effectively blame every bad thing on GWB, and people like yourself drunk the kool-aid.

Educate yourself on the facts instead of returgitating what the media told you to think bro.

[CheerGirl38139]

And pardon the thumb induced typos. 🙋

[Negrodamuss]

@CheerGirl38139 truth be told, im fairly accustomed to "debating" with bush cheerleaders like yourself. Interestingly, you guys have a predictable pattern. First you try to sound smart (which is cute) by butting into a conversation a bit above your head. Then you get rebutted with a hard factual truth that momentarily bursts your bubble/worldview (ex. the fact that bush was warned of the attacks but did zero to stop them). Next, instead of addressing the fact stated, you turn towards a baseless personal attack (never said i blamed bush for everything. My post addressed the fact that richards specifically trie to give bush some sort of credit for addressing a problem that he was in part responsible for creating.), and lastly, you spew some nonsense about how the media doesn't tell the truth in the way you see it. Fascinating really. But if there was one piece of advice i could give you, it would be to learn to speak only when spoken to. It will save you from these embarressing moments

[Negrodamuss]

And feel free to leave a reply, but i won't be back here to read it.

[AnArtisticMind]

@CheerGirl38139 @Negrodamuss ISIS was born out of American monetary/weapons support from the Obama administration because the American people wouldn't back the ousting of the Syrian president. When will we stop trying to control other sovereign nations? John McCain was photographed with the future leader of ISIS at a meeting with Syrian rebels, so it's not just the Democrats who are to blame. It's politics as usual in Washington, regardless of political party.

[CheerGirl38139]

@Negrodamuss nice try man. As a moderator, you should know better than to make personal attacks like that trying to belittle people and insult them directly. Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking. I'm no Bush cheerleader, nor am I an Obama hater. I think they were both mediocre at best. You on the other hand, are blinded by bullshit.

But you keep on thinking what they tell you to think man. That will get you far in life. As far as trying to "sound intelligent" being "cute"... Yeah... that dismissive passive agressive tactic won't work on me either. I'll debate you any time you want if you can stick to FACTS. Im completly confident in my brain power... or... let's have a spelling contest professor. ✌

[JRICHARDS1996]

@Negrodamuss Which in turn was because of Clinton and years of bad foreign policy in the region since the Cold War. Obama too made it worse by pulling out of Iraq prematurely and supporting Syrian Rebels, effectively creating ISIS and starting another Cold War with Russia. Bush made mistakes no doubt, but he handled them effectively. Counterterrorism and intelligence really had its golden age during the Bush years, in the aftermath of 9/11. The same cannot quite be said for the Obama administration.

[justagirl5]

This is ridiculous and heartbreaking. People are cruel... just because someone is different doesn't make them worthy of being dead. We live in a messed up world. Ill be praying for everyone affected by this shooting.