Why He's Not Getting a Second Date

[Anonymous]

I'd like to share with you guys an example of what NOT to do when going on a date with a girl.

I went on a date with a guy on Wednesday. We met up close to 7 at a hole-in-the-wall bar and coffee shop. Very cozy place. I had already eaten but felt like I needed to order something or the waitress would be staring me down from 10 feet away the whole time. He had already ordered a beer by the time I got there. He greeted me warmly but....even that seemed forced.

Not being accommodating

While I was deciding what to order, I pointed out the least expensive thing on the menu --nachos. I suggested that we share it. He briskly stated that he was not hungry. Strike one.

So I just ordered a hot chocolate.

We talked, but the conversation seemed forced versus flowing. He kept running his hand through his hair like he thought he was some kind of male model or a Justin Bieber wannabe. I kinda got the, I'm a tool vibe.

Not paying for your date

When it was time to go, I approached the bar. The waitress confirmed with my guy that he had already paid. WTF? So I paid for mine separately. Major strike 2. Mind you, he was the one who had asked me on the date.

Making it awkward

During the date, we talked about TV shows, and I told him I had just started watching Black Mirror and that I thought it was good. He agreed and offered to watch it with me after we left the bar. I accepted his offer so he followed me to my place.

I've had numerous friends come hang out and finding it has never been an issue. Well, he got lost trying to find my apartment and for some reason, my directions didn't make sense to him. Wow dude.

We watched one episode due to time constraints. I told him I needed to go to bed soon since I had work the next morning.

When it was time to leave, we were both standing at the door and he asked me if I were nervous. I said that, yes, I was. He asked why, and I replied that I just wasn't used to him yet. He seemed satisfied with that answer but he then asked if he could kiss me. Strike 3. Like majorly.

Ummmm...?

Seriously guys, the best thing you can do to kill the mood and make it awkward is to actually ASK the girl if you can kiss her. If she's not putting her face close to you, she doesn't want to be kissed. Pretty simple.

Then he asked why I was nervous. Again. He seemed pretty bothered.

Needless to say, I was happy to have him out the door and on his way.

[Anonymous]

I think you were both awkward.
To be honest, I don't know anyone who goes on a date, arrives earlier, orders a beer and pays for it at the spot. Obviously he didn't have any intention of staying longer and much less share expenses or cover yours. That's not a date, that's meeting a friend at the bar.

Then after a short (?) awkward conversation at this place, you actually invite the guy you just met to your apartment. I guess the standards aren't really that high then.
The guy only asked if he could kiss you because you stated you were not used to him. YET, lol.

[roman_ce]

You did the right thing. Once you learned that the guy had already paid for his own, I would have left him right there. Guys should always pay, that's the 101 of dating.

[myTake Owner]

Thank you!

[roman_ce]

You're welcome. And don't listen to the bitter guys here, you're right about what you said.

Personally I'd prefer a girl who expects me to always pay over a girl who insists on splitting. It's just so unromantic to split the bill on a date.

[myTake Owner]

Exactly. I offer to pay for myself, sure, when I'm certain that I'm not interested in him romantically.

[roman_ce]

if I get the vibe that she's not interested or it's not working out, I'll pay for her regardless because that's what a gentleman should do. However, if we hit it off and continue going on dates then she never ever needs to offer, the automatic assumption should be that I'm always paying.

[myTake Owner]

I'm glad someone actually agrees with me. I'm very traditional and I guess I'm in the minority on that

[roman_ce]

Yeah I agree with you 100%. I don't know if we're already in the minority but times are certainly changing. Personally I'd insist on paying for everything in the relationship (not just dates but also vacations, groceries, shopping sprees...) because I believe that's the right thing to do. But I guess many men these days would feel that it's unfair if she can keep her entire pay check for herself and the man has to pay for everything. However, they fail to realize that girls want to feel protected and taken care of.

[myTake Owner]

Exactly. Couldn't agree more. It's also very sexy

[roman_ce]

Yeah, it's also sexy for the man if he can take care of his lady. :) A lot of women these days aren't okay with it though, they want to contribute and can be really offended if you don't let them. Would you be okay with the guy paying for everything else in the relationship as well?

[myTake Owner]

Yes I'd definitely be okay with that.

[roman_ce]

You're really traditional then :) Glad there are still women like you around. :)

[roman_ce]

By the way, are you the you the one who just followed me?

[myTake Owner]

yep!

[roman_ce]

Oh. I tried to message and ask you but I'm not allowed to because I don't have enough xper.

[myTake Owner]

Lol I forgot that was a thing

[roman_ce]

yeah but I'm like 14 points away from xper 2. :)

[mellifluous_girl]

Would either of you be so kind as to check out my recently posted question? It has to do with the exact topic you two were discussing.

[MysteriousDarkness]

That is bullshit. Why should guys always pay? What if she has a career and makes more than he does?

[MysteriousDarkness]

@myTakeOwner you sound like a gold digger. Would you stay home and do all the laundry, cleaning, cooking and be a stay at home mom if you have any kids?

[MrOracle]

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[lyannamormont]

Sorry but your take is trash to me, and should be to all men, like real men, not boys, in dating world. Reasons are as follows:

1) Does he have to be hungry for you? Maybe he doesn't eat out. Do you have to eat something during date? You stated that you ate before, you could just drink water to curb your hunger. Easy. Plus you could ask "Will you have dinner?" Whenever I have date at around 6:30-7:00 PM, i text before we meet to ask if he's going to have dinner at home or planning to grab somethingg out. You should not feel entitled by someone accommodating you and giving you comfort everywhere...

So my first advice to men: ask if you grab somethinng, if the date is coffee/bar date and not dinner setting

2) I don't expect a strange guy having to pay for my dinner or drink. We both are adults agreeing on a date not on the basis of who's gonna pay, but on the basis of we-drink-we-get-to-know-each-other. If a single man looking for something serious starts paying for all the first dates, probably he'll be broke by the end of the month. Be a strong woman, and go pay for yourself.

Advice to men: If it is a first date, and woman expects you to pay rather than splitting into two or paying for what she gets, get rid of her unless you want a needy woman who is probably financially unable to support herself. Thou second, third etc. dates, or from time to time once you know a person, chivalry is appreciated.

3) You say conversation was not flowing. Well, conversation is between two or more people. So it goes both sides. This is a effing first date that the man feel shy, and nervous, and also the woman may feel the same. If he was awkward or nervous, it was your duty to make him feel comfortable by maybe opening talks, following up, listening, smiling more, stating what you think...

My advice to men: if you feel nervous at first dates and not able to follow a convo, just smile and ask questions in between she's talking. And smile will make the woman comfortable too.

4) you're sending mixed signals, so it is normal that he asked you if he can kiss you. You seem bothered by his behavior yet you invite him to your place to watch something. Well, it means I want you to kiss me/bang me whatever you do, that's why i accepted your invite right away. Then he wonders if you are as nervous as he is, or you're not interested. And he shows his interest to you.

My advice to YOU: next time say "let's watch it some other time" rather than accepting on first date.

[myTake Owner]

Sorry but your opinion is trash to me

[trentlee1244]

Here's some points I would like to make why I wouldn't give you a 2nd date.

Strike 1 - Expecting the guy to do everything you want whereas it should go both ways.

You think it's all about you, he didn't want nachos because he wasn't HUNGRY and you expected him to pay for you. If I found a girl trying to make me pay I would pay for myself and leave, if I really like the girl and feel I'm really making a connection from the get go then I might pay for her and if she trys to pay for me I will show her massive respect but I would not expect her to and would insist she doesn't.

Strike 2 - Lack of empathy and judging too quickly.

You realise the guy was nervous about his date as well but you seem to have no idea and been nervous is normal on the first date. His hand running through his hair was not because he was some tool or douchebag it's something people do when they are nervous and it probably made him relax a bit more along with having the beer. Also he asked if you were nervous probably because he could tell and wanted to confirm it and was probably showing empathy towards you because he felt nervous.

Strike 3 - Putting up a barrier.

He was talking to you about TV shows etc. because he wanted to know more about you and see what you liked and they probably came across awkward because he was nervous but you just put up a wall instead and wrote him off. This also leads back to strike 2 the lack of empathy.

Strike 4 - Playing games (which feeds back into all the other 3 points)

This is the most important point of all and the biggest turnoff. You were playing silly games with him and trying to "test" him by seeing if he would share nachos and seeing if he would pay etc. If I catch a girl trying to play games and test me instead of trying to get to know me and ask me questions and openly engage in conversation you can consider the date over. He was just trying to hang out with you to get to know you better.

The only thing I will give you at the end was him expecting a kiss as a kiss shouldn't be asked for, it will just happen if it does. So your 4 strikes to his 1 and you are out.

[xXtemberlyXx]

I think this is reasons why a guy wouldn't get a second date with you. You are entitled to your beliefs and standards; personally I don't feel that he was Un accommodating because he didn't want to split nachos, he just didn't feel the same pressure from the wait staff as you. I've gone on many dates and just got a drink. Also, I personally find it rude to expect someone to pay for your date because you are a woman. Especially the first date. I mean don't get me wrong I love to be treated but how can you expect someone to use their money on you, that's a blind investment especially when you don't know their financial situation. I don't think he was awkward. Maybe he was not from the area and truly got lost, as far as asking before kissing, I find that to be very respectful. It also shows he is secure with himself being willing to ask knowing he could be rejected. Obviously you guys didn't vibe well and I'm glad you now have the chance to see other people but him forcing things could be from the vibes you were giving.

[myTake Owner]

maybe that's why you're a single parent. Cuz you're such a die-hard feminist

[xXtemberlyXx]

I think that was an unnecessary stab. Especially because I'm not a feminist and am in a very successful and happy relationship. Not once did I say anything negative about you but you're going to try to hit me where it hurts

[myTake Owner]

Yeah sorry that was mean. I respectfully disagree. I believe the man should pay for his woman on dates.

[notreallythere]

@xXtemberlyXx don't be tempted to reply to the myTake Owner. She knows she already lost any rational argument which is why she's resorting to personal attacks. There's no point in arguing with her at that stage. Be happy you're on the right side of history and move on.

[myTake Owner]

@notreallythere Lol I'm fully aware of all the backlash this take would get, what with all the pathetic whiny dudes who troll this site. And I still posted this because it's what I believe and it WILL help some guys out there so deal with it.

[xXtemberlyXx]

And as I said in the very beginning of my opinion you are entitled to that belief and standard. I accept your apology

[xXtemberlyXx]

@notreallythere thank you for stepping in. I don't loose my cool over the Internet. :)

[myTake Owner]

@notreallythere Also, the guy doesn't need to pay for every single meal for his girl when they're in a relationship. That's not what this Take is about. (In past relationships, I pay for myself sometimes if we're just going to grab food somewhere.) If I really need to explain it It's about being a gentleman when you're courting the woman. It's part of the courtship process. It shows that you can take care of her and that you're trying to win her over.

[myTake Owner]

@notreallythere And as a side note, I'm really loving all the activity this Take is getting. :D

[notreallythere]

Oh, you help a lot of guys that way, the irony is that it's not in the way you want. I actually stopped paying for first dates precisely because I read articles like yours and listen to women complaining about why didn't he pay for my this and my that. It helped me realize how self-centered and narcissistic some women really are.

Why should I waste my money on a selfish person when I can instead spend it on someone like xXtemberlyXx or the thousand of other girls who are far more humble and caring?

And what are you doing to be a lady and to court the guy? Courtship isn't one-way.

[myTake Owner]

@notreallythere It's a turnoff

[notreallythere]

if you actually and truly think being humble and caring is a turn-off, then the guy is lucky for not going on a second date with you.

[levantine99]

these women were brought up by daddies that made them believe they are princesses. there is no healing for them.

[idonthaveausername02]

@levantine99 well said.

[tyber1]

@idonthaveausername02 "Oh, you help a lot of guys that way, the irony is that it's not in the way you want. I actually stopped paying for first dates precisely because I read articles like yours and listen to women complaining about why didn't he pay for my this and my that. It helped me realize how self-centered and narcissistic some women really are." Same for me. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[idonthaveausername02]

@tyber1 yes agreed with you and notreallythere. well said to notreallythere also.

[tyber1]

@idonthaveausername02 oh lol I didn't realize I tagged anyone

[FallenAngelGMP]

"I had already eaten but felt like I needed to order something or the waitress would be staring me down from 10 feet away the whole time."

Haha, that was funny.

"He kept running his hand through his hair like he thought he was some kind of male model or a Justin Bieber wannabe. I kinda got the, I'm a tool vibe."

No, he seems nervous.

"Mind you, he was the one who had asked me on the date."

You can't expect someone to pay for you like that.

"He agreed and offered to watch it with me after we left the bar. I accepted his offer so he followed me to my place."

He is trying to bond with you.

"Well, he got lost trying to find my apartment and for some reason, my directions didn't make sense to him."

It's hard to remember the directions if you're new to an area.

"I just wasn't used to him yet."

Really now?

"He seemed satisfied with that answer but he then asked if he could kiss me."

Uh... Awkward. That was weird.

"If she's not putting her face close to you, she doesn't want to be kissed. Pretty simple."

I agree with that statement.

But overall, it seems that you're a bit immature, and it also seems that you didn't like him. It seems that you both were uncomfortable.

Why did you go with him if you didn't like him?

How can expect someone to pay on a very first date? That person barely even knows you.

It would be better that you had paid for his and your drink (Hot chocolate/Beer).

It's your responsibility to pay.

Well, your date was just awkward for him and you too.

[Anonymous]

1) Not being ACCOMMODATING? You've not gone for a dinner date and YOU'RE the one who wants to eat. Maybe he genuinely isn't hungry, maybe he ate beforehand. He's under no obligation to have to eat just because you decree it is time.
2) Because gender equality only means equality when it suits the woman and if the man wants equality in the relationship then that's somehow a deal breaker. Combined with the first point, It sounds like you just want to use him for a free meal.
3) So you automatically assume he's as fault for taking time to find your place, it sounds like you don't WANT to give him a chance. You're leading him on by inviting him back to your place and then throwing him out less than an hour later, so he kept asking if you were nervous because he thought he'd done something wrong and that's why you were trying to get him to leave. As for asking before kissing you, maybe that has something to do with the snowflakes we seem to see everyday in the news complaining about being touched or spoken to in a bar without permission. Don't get me wrong, sexual assault is one of the worst crimes, but with feminists trying to extend the definition to anyone who even speaks to a woman without permission, I refer you back to point 2, you can't have it both ways and I think it's a natural consequence of feminism's villification of men that you are going to see even more men asking for permission to kiss you, or even hold your hand, for fear of being branded a rapist otherwise.

[Long_Legs]

#1:
He wasn't hungry. You can't force someone to eat of he/she doesn't want to.
The hands in his hair issue. Meaby he was just nervous about meeting you. It's hard to judge if he is a tool or just nervous because haven't told us anything about how he was reacting beside his hair. Beside that, have you never fidget with something, for example with your hair, when you were nervous?

#2:
You are semi right on this. Yes he shouldn't have payed for his part in advance. It should have been discussed. That said you shouldn't expect that they always pay for you. Honestly, if he/she invited you to somewhere like a restaurant or amusement park or anything remotely expensive they should pay (as it was their idea). But at coffee shop and 1 drink to pay... do you really have no money to spend on that?

#3:
He followed you but got lost anyway? Meaby he was to slow or you were to fast, again no real description. Also remember, there are people who have no sense of direction. For example a friend of mine got lost for 1 hour in a fenced off camping area and he is smart.

I'd rather have a guy ask if it's okay to kiss than that guy forces his tongue in my mouth with no warning, didn't even want to kiss him at all (yes it has happend). He should be able to read the mood and know that it would not be okay, but how many guys are unsure if it's okay to kiss or not?

In all, you two don't mix so it's logical that there is no second date. Also, get off your high horse like you're better than him. If i were him i wouldn't want to date you a second time anyway.

[godfatherfan]

wow. The only thing that even sticks out is why do you feel you have to order?
yes he should have paid. But I once dated this woman, I think we went on 3 or 4 dates. I was having money issues at the time. I made the 2nd and 3rd date late enough that she should have already eaten (around 7-7:30). She always managed to order a meal of some kind. She also never offered to pay even 1x.
I have a rule that the woman has to at least offer to pay 1x in the first 3 dates or I drop her.
but it was clear to me that she was just out for free dinners. I wasn't going out with her again either.
I do agree that everything you said was just off.
It has been very strange for me to get back into dating. I was with my wife 25 years. I have asked all the women if I could kiss them. The ones I kissed anyway. I just feel weird just kissing them. Maybe they don't want me to? If I wait for them to kiss me, they might not since women never take the initiative.
not sure a woman just wants me to grab her and do that. Although I never try the first time we meet since that is just to talk and see if we want to go on a date. I always wait til what I feel is the actual date. I only do online dating/

[JulieXO]

The fact that he pointed out the cheap nachos doesn't mean anything, maybe he knows that they were really good at that bar or something. Him running his hand through his hair could be because he was nervous, based on what you said, he doesn't really seem to want to give off a Justin Bieber vibe. Not having paid for you shouldn't have been that big of an issue, I mean you have your own money, I doubt you can't afford your own hot chocolate. Him getting lost on the way to your place in't that ridiculous either, in my opinion. People can get lost when they go somewhere they've never been. Him asking for a kiss is indeed pretty awkward, that's the only thing I agree with.

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@JulieXO
Pay attention, SHE pointed out the nachos on the menu and suggested they SHARE them, HE said he'd already eaten.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

1) why would you feel like you need to order something in the first place? If you're not hungry then you're not hungry. Shit. And you can't get mad at him for not being hungry.
2) who cares of he fucks around with his hair a lot?
3) while it would have been a nice gesture, he's not obligated to pay for you.
4) that's actually kind of weird to me, tbh. Were I him I wouldn't even have asked to go back to your place and were I you I dont think I would have let him. Esp not for just one episode, you know. But that's just me.
5) oh shit. Guys asking for permission. Call the fire department. :I

You seem to have just found an awkward person. Okay. Cool story. Seeing as how we know nearly nothing of how /you/ acted on the date, I guess all we can really do is demonize the male and blame him for your unsatisfactory date.

[singlebee]

1.) Why did your expect him to pay for you when the date isn't even going right? Just split the fucking bill

2.) Running fingers through hair of sign of nervousness... I do it too if I am nervous...

3.) Flowing conversations happen when your trip get along well... I think if the conversation was flowing he would have left a good impression on you..

4.) Getting lost in the way back to you house is not that weird... He came to your house for the first time right? Not the second..

5.) Him nor wanting to eat anything if strike one? (A BIG LOL ON THIS ONE)

6.) Overall Stupid take... And you are definitely spoilt brat... And sexist

The only thing that I agree with you is that he asked for a kiss... Which was weird... Other than that it just sounds more like a bad date (inside your head...)

[RutherForTheWin]

Let me get this straight, you are just pissed that you didn't get a free meal... XD
And, so what if he doesn't pay for you? Aren't you capable of paying yourself? And you were checking him instead of getting to know him... That's just plain horrible. I have never dated before but I can say.
He asked for a kiss. So what huh? You do know that he was nervous, right?
Believe me, you don't really want to get punched in the mouth by his mouth. XD
And why are you making this a big issue like this? XD

[frozenhorizon]

You mean didn't get a free hot chocolate... not even a meal ;)

[RutherForTheWin]

@frozenhorizon Haha, yeah. Hot chocolate. XD

[AriadneSky]

i dont care if a guy doesn't eat bc he's not hungry. i do the same.

i ont mind paying for myself. i fond it awkward when a guy trues to pay. im not his daughter.

i think direction complication isn't a bi deal. if you like the person its just an adventure,

i think its ht if a guy asks fits. sometimes they just pounce.

i thin you just did not like him.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I feel bad for that guy, sounds like he was socially awkward. Your strike 1 didn't make sense to me. He wasn't hungry, so what? He invited you out because he wants to talk not because he needed a mouth to feed. And maybe the reason he pointed out the least expensive thing on the menu was to hint that he wasn't planning on getting anything. I mean, what did he order? Just a beer?

Lol it all makes sense now. What if he's not even that socially awkward. What if this guy was just crushing on her real hard, he was probably nervous and that caused him to rub you the wrong way and it was downhill from there.

I mean honestly, from the way you tell the story, you sound like a bit of a diva. A little self centered. Just enough to not see this through his point of view.

I understand not wanting to date a guy who doesn't get it, but it sounds like your being a jerk about it, or maybe I'm wrong. Because a socially awkward person could probably learn a lot from this.

[goaded]

I think a socially awkward guy would probably do whatever his date suggested, not reject it. Also, it was the Asker who pointed out the cheap Nachos, not him.

[Tdieseler]

I like this guy... he Showed you huh lol... you expecting little schmuck.
Other than his personality, i think everything went smooth. I love the fact he paid for his own shit and left you to pay for yours... thats a man right there.
Its like he knew there wasn't gonna be a second one... that is my nigga.
You over here talking about how he ain't getting a second one... i bet you darling... i dont think he wants a second one with you anyway lol...
Hahahaha females... always thinking they get the last say... no no no u clueless darling... WE get the final say. well... guys like ME.. confident ones.

[Mrwoo99]

Men these days have to ask for a kiss just in case you file a sexual harassment or worse a rape charge. Its very hard to behave like a man these days when you have feminism punishing masculinity and screaming that all men are potential rapists or creepy pervs.

[Hopefuldreamer8]

I don't really see what the big deal is with not ordering the food. Neither of you were hungry, so it would have been pointless to order nachos. You said yourself that you felt obligated to order it. It turned out that you didn't have to.

With paying for the date, the only part I can see you being annoyed about is that he wasn't upfront about it. I don't see anything wrong with the guy not paying for the date, but that's because I feel uncomfortable letting someone pay for me. I think he should have told you that he'd already paid for himself just so it wouldn't come as a surprise to you.

Other then that though, I don't really see what the problem was.

Maybe he asked if he could kiss you because you were nervous. You'd just told him that you weren't used to him yet. My guess is that he was just as nervous as you were feeling.

[Heythere2013]

lol its so uncomfortable when people in general don't pick up on the fact you didn't like them. I went on date w/a guy, I didn't show a ton of interest in him and he wanted a date the next day. He also tried to kiss me and ended up kissing me on the cheek. I tried to cut him off nicely, then ended up completely ignoring, he at last got the message. Another guy I went on a date w/was very nice, but I wasn't into him, he messaged me after the date, but when he saw the lack of interest he stopped contacting me. That was it and I still remember the date as enjoyable.

[Robin48]

Strike one, we really do not know you are telling the whole truth.

Strike two, after what I read aobut you that I would not give you a second chances.

Strike three, you were looking for freebees on a date. This is the reason why you went on a date. So you can get something free. This is very common among you females to do this.

[Robin48]

Strike four, you have gender issues.

Strike five, you all about yourself.

Strike six, you really do not know how to go on a date.

[AleDeEurope]

Sounds reasonable, except for point #2. If a girl expects me to pay for her, she can go suck a dick, I'm not dating little girls xD
But he sounds quite an awkward guy lol

[menan111]

How do girls in Spain feel about paying their own stuff?

[AleDeEurope]

@menan111 Don't know, never went on an actual date in Spain. I moved to the US when I was 17, so I didn't have the chance to go out on dates over there. But I'm pretty sure they're just like in America, or basically anywhere else in the West.

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@AleDeEurope
You sound like a cheap skate... actually it makes more sense to discuss who's going to pay before going out then not, but at least pay on the first date, then if you go out a second time discuss the arrangements... especially if you ask the person out... common courtesy, and no, I wouldn't expect anything if I paid for the entire first date.

[AleDeEurope]

@Idonotgivearatsass Yeah, to be honest, I could give two shits what you think of me, it's not gonna change anything. If she expects me to pay, she clearly isn't a woman I would wanna be with. Having a vagina doesn't entitle you to free food, or free anything, you gotta earn it, and since it's MY money, I decide if you've earn it or not. Your presence for sure isn't enough to earn it.

[Robin48]

They should have never gone on a date. It was mess up before they went.

[blondfrog]

hhaha all the pissed of feminists

[AleDeEurope]

@blondfrog They're the "I'm a strong independent woman... but you better pay for my date" lol ridiculous xD

[blondfrog]

Lol that's not ironic at all :P and I've never been sarcastic in my life right? ;)

[andieo]

Thou who asks for the date pays. It's one of the 10 commandments of dating

[AleDeEurope]

@andieo Oh, so I should pay for a girl who spent the whole date texting on her phone? Or for a girl who just replied with 2-3 words? For a girl who put no effort into the date? Yeah, not gonna happen. One of the 10 commandments is also to put some effort into the date, if you're gonna ignore that commandment, then I can ignore the paying one.

[andieo]

I would never act like that on a date, so I didn't factor that in. However, if the date was going that badly, i would say cut it short. I still say you should pay for a date you initiated. Maybe meet at a coffee shop so it's only a few bucks wasted.

[AleDeEurope]

@andieo I don't have to. She agreed to come on a date. I asked, and she agreed. She was never forced, blackmailed, or anything. If a friend asks me to go to the movies, I pay for myself, so why should I pay for her if she agreed to come, and she was also a shitty date? I'm not gonna reward someone for making me lose my time... and my money.

[andieo]

You're seeing it as a reward, I'm seeing it as being an adult that owns their mistakes of asking a dud on a date

[AleDeEurope]

@andieo Lol an adult pays for their own stuff. It's not my mistake she didn't put any effort in the date. I'm already owning up to my mistake by not standing up and leaving in the middle of the date.

[andieo]

We will just never agree. It's ok

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@AleDeEurope
You can't compare going to the movies with a friend to going out on a date with a woman... so your analogy is complete bullshit... try again.

[hahanoway]

@Idonotgivearatsass oh yes, he can and he just did. you try again.

[AleDeEurope]

@Idonotgivearatsass Why can't I? If you're gonna say my argument is wrong, at least explain why, or else you sound like an idiot.

[Idonotgivearatsass]

@hahanoway @AleDeEurope
If I have to explain how you can't compare going to the movies with a FRIEND vs going out on a DATE, then the whole point of this conversation is useless because neither of you have any concept of how to do a comparison... they're two entirely different types of events, it's the same as comparing apples to oranges.

[AleDeEurope]

@Idonotgivearatsass Then you have no argument. Ok, then.

[FatherJack]

@AleDeEurope " a girl who spent the whole date texting on her phone " , If I was dating & she did that , I would have simply got up & walked out without a word after 10 mins max. She may as well have told you to f-off , that is rude & disrespectful.

[AleDeEurope]

@FatherJack I would be tempted to do that too.

[Robin48]

@FatherJack

I think is social inapposite to be talking or texting on the phone when you spending time with someone. Just like someone is eating as you are talking to them over the phone.

[Robin48]

These phones are destroying relationship all over the world. It really turning people off. I can give a list of examples. We all know about driving and texting or talking. It kills people.