Dating isn't easy because you're not having fun with it!

[TremorJay]

[I do not claim to be a dating coach or expert]

I'm going to start by making a couple assumptions, which you may not agree with:
1. Soulmates do not exist, so you cannot rely on serendipity.
2. Having more options allows you to be more selective, and that's a good thing.

So you're single, and you're looking for that special someone. You know what you want this time (at least you think you know), but you have no idea how many dates, or how long it will take to find that person. Dating can be expensive, but at the same time you want to have fun with it. Otherwise, your dates might find you boring, or worse, you get burnt out and discouraged because you keep experiencing these dull, dead-end interactions. Are you with me?

You might think it's best to go with the least expensive option, like a typical coffee date. That way you can go on as many dates as you need to, and focus more on the person in front of you. I'm going to tell you that's not a great idea, a good one maybe, but not great. Focusing too much on your date can put off a highly negative vibe. Don't be so efficient that your goal is to find something you don't like and move on. The key here is that it's not a waste of time if you're having fun, or rather, that's what fun is by definition; a waste of time.

Of course that doesn't mean you should spend foolishly, trying to make every date a thrilling experience. If you've got money for that, go ahead, enjoy life. For most of us, it doesn't make sense to spend $100 on somebody we don't know. Save that for the second date.

It is so important to be able to enjoy life within your budget. This way you can be creative with your invites & enjoy the process of dating. When your date can see you having fun, it becomes easier for them to enjoy your company, and as a result, they'll find you more attractive.

Here's what I would recommend:
1. Set monthly spending limits, as well as a per date limit for first dates
2. Find a handful of affordable hobbies that you can turn into dates
3. When you're meeting someone for the first time, focus on having fun
4. Consider the possibility of simply making a new friend
5. Turn up the excitement on second dates
6. A focus on dating isn't right for everyone. If you're not able to prioritize fun within your budget, you should focus more on income, or learning how to enjoy the smaller things in life.

[Melissa_78]

Dating should be easy, but it isn't always easy. In times your going to find it hard. When it is easy it's with a person you're compatible with. That's a relationship worth working at. When It's hard. The straight truth is people are complicated at times. If you can communicate that's key, so if you have that your well on your way to another date.
You should look forward to seeing the other person they should look forward to seeing you!
Don't let dating take up your entire life, when it's good it's good. it's easy to have happen!

[TremorJay]

I like your perspective, communication is definitely of the highest importance in my book. However, it's seems a little passive which I have to say, that won't work for many people.

Dating won't rule my life, but I'm not going to sit idle and wait for someone to show up. Who knows how many opportunities I've already missed.

Much like communication, attracting the opposite sex is a skill. There are some men that are "naturals", but most of them will tell you that their childhood played a part in that.

For any skill you need to put in effort if you expect to be good at it. The subtle art of attraction is important in dating as well as in relationships, so I think it's worth learning.

[CuriousChick101]

If ONLY it were possible to “like” a reply!!! I would “like” the one above! 👍

[TremorJay]

Thanks! I sent you a follow request

[CuriousChick101]

And I accepted 👍

[diamond567]

Wow this is really good I actually never thought of dating this way before! It’s all very true and helpful information!

[diamond567]

@TremorJay Thanks for the MHO love!☺️

[coachTanthony]

------------------Yeah I mean I think if you are having fun and are outcome independent instead of always interviewing someone for a job... it's more likely to be a better experience. I agree totally.

Dates don't have to be expensive but the part about saving the $100 for the second date? Still way too early in my opinion.

I wouldn't start dropping a hundy until we were exclusive.

Good take dude!

[TremorJay]

Great point. I'm a little loose with the bag. Thank you for reading

[coachTanthony]

Thanks for the MHO

[winterfox10]

I totally disagree. I have tons of fun with dating. I actually really enjoy meeting women, getting to know each other, etc... Dating is a struggle. There is NOTHING pleasant about trying to find love, and I can almost guarantee that when I do find it: it sure won't be worth all this shit.

[TremorJay]

It's odd to say that you have tons of fun and follow up with saying there is nothing pleasant about it.

[winterfox10]

Have you ever experienced something in life that is so categorically unpleasant that all you can do is laugh and power through it?

[TremorJay]

Point taken. Dating isn't easy, because it just isn't easy, but there are definitely things you can do to power through as you say

[winterfox10]

Exactly! =) I think that dating really IS the kind of thing that you have to go into it expecting to fail. I feel the same way about my entrepreneurial pursuits: I know that I'm going to take more than a few punches.

[PurpleStorm]

so is it fun or is it a struggle? pick one? I think you missed the point of this take. don't try to find love with any person that agrees to go on a date with you. dating, especially first dates should not be taken seriously. it should be fun, light, no expectations just getting to know someone and getting a better read on who they are and what they are looking for. worth all this shit? what shit? going out and having a nice coffee with someone or some fun activity with someone, even if you never see them again afterwards what is so bad about that? if you put too much hopes into one person and expectations of course it is going to feel bad when they dont live up to that. and it WILL be worth it when you do find love. you just talk like that cuz you haven't found it yet

[Robertcw]

@PurpleStorm They're spending all the $$$. That's why.

Dates can be expensive and a lot of them adds up to a lot of money and it's sort of wasted money.

[PurpleStorm]

@Robertcw it's their choice to spend it, they don't have to though. they can do the cheap dates until they find the person who is worth all the expensive dates. if they put a lot of $$$ on first dates when they don't even know the person it's not dating that's hard, they are just making bad choices.

[Robertcw]

@PurpleStorm Even cheap dates get expensive. The only way to make it truly cheap is to involve home-cooked food and even then that's still feeding another person. Which affects a budget.

My money is tight for food because I eat 4,500 calories a day to fund my workout plans.

I'm essentially a full-time athlete so I'm really specific with eating. All those calories are costly. I guess I could find other athletic girls who would understand the budget.

You know, I should really join a crossfit gym. I bet I would meet cooler people than at a traditional weights gym.

[PurpleStorm]

@Robertcw well if you eat a lot and your meals are expensive, then it's just you, what the f that has to do with dating? and why dates have to involve food? get them to a coffee shop, go outside, do some fun activities, something active, not every date has to be in an expensive restaurant or involve food at all. although if the date is going well you might want to get a snack afterwards, but still there are cheaper options, and if it's going well then it's worth it. girls are more understanding of a budget then you know. I would never ask for them to spend more than they feel good in spending, I can pay for myself also

[Investigator]

"Soulmates do not exist, so you cannot rely on serendipity", "So you're single, and you're looking for that special someone."

If postulate one is taken as axiomatic and serendipity is "discovering something of value by accident", then there is no such thing as a soulmate because there is no one single "best" fit for anyone and, by extension, there is NOT someone for everyone. If serendipity is discovery made by pure accident, then you're saying that the chances of meeting some who is good for you unintentionally is as good as if you were deliberate about it. This argument is better stated as "your optimal fit is the first person you run into that you can completely tolerate most days", an argument not improved by the fact that people will typically run for the hills at the first sign of trouble, because (at least, in the West) we've been conditioned to believe that "forever is bullsh*t". The cynicism of the last 20 years has finally caught up with the public zeitgeist and now we are pathologically problem-avoidant. Men, as a whole, have learned that marriage--and the prospect of eternity with that special someone--is a lie, and now relationships are starting to feel the heat as well. Because if a relationship isn't built on happiness and compatibility but rather a premise of tolerance and milquetoast indifference, given the amount of work that is required to maintain one, it's much easier to skip entirely and be alone.

Also, I reject the basic premise that "dating isn't easy because not you're not having fun". Dating isn't easy because it's not easy; you don't need to make it more complicated by suggesting that some uncontrollable variable prevents it from being akin to going to an amusement park. Dating is hard because you're dealing with people, not things. Objects, though different in their appearance and composition, all tend to behave in a similar manner--this isn't by accident, it's by design. They are built within certain parameters, their usage is predictable. Conversely, if your possessions were as random as your partner could be, you'd never buy anything because you'd have no control over anything you own. "You know what you want this time (at least you think you know), but you have no idea how many dates, or how long it will take to find that person", if you contextualize this statement to be about life in general, it sounds like looking for work--which is basically what a relationship is, except it's unpaid and you're supposed to enjoy it instead of clocking in everyday to "get it over with" because "what else are you going to do with your time?"

I'm not saying relationships are terrible, I'm saying PEOPLE are terrible. That might sound callous and mean, but that is reality. The kinds of people you end up breaking up with aren't simply incompatible with you because you don't agree on anything, you end up distancing yourself from them because they introduce chaos into your life where there previously wasn't any. There's a difference between unexpected twists in the plot and completely random hap instance; the former can be deduced through some inductive reasoning, which is why mysterious people can be exciting because they are a problem to be solved. Totally random individuals are more like a 1000-piece puzzle with half of the pieces missing and replaced with random trinkets from other, unrelated games, yet still acting as if all of the elements go together even when it becomes painfully obvious that the puzzle is unsolvable.

[TremorJay]

Thank you for the thoughtful and educated response.

I'm not sure your first argument is a good replacement for my first statement regarding soulmates and serendipity. While yours is a more precise statement, mine isn't completely inaccurate given loose definitions of soulmates. One may believe in soulmates and as consequence, also believe in a driving force that would bring the soulmate into their life. From an outsider perspective, that meeting wouldn't seem planned at all, however the two people involved might feel that it was. The universe is both random and organized.

A more precise statement for my belief and intention would be, "You're not guaranteed a life partner, so you must take action."

I refuse to believe marriage is a lie

Yes, many have rejected the basic premise. I had a struggle coming up with a title, but you're right, and the title is wrong. However, having fun is not a completely uncontrollable variable. You can alter your experience in life by altering your perspective. The Joker is an iconic representation of this behavior at it's most extreme. My point being that you should not rely on the randomness of your date to make your day/night enjoyable. You should be able to do that on your own with a reasonable success rate.

Symbolically, women are the embodiment of chaos. Men want this in their lives because it's exciting and unpredictable, and it's meant to balance them, but they often bite off more than they can chew.

Anyways, thank you again. This was a good exercise

[SjE78]

for me personally and i'm sure many others can relate to this is that dating becomes less fun the more you get messed about... or the more you meet who try to scam or abuse your good nature...
It's also made more difficult because and i say this for 2 reasons
1) people like me who only do long term relationships, the moment you get out of a long term the whole dating thing becomes new territory again...
2) when you see potential dates and you aren't sure what their personality is like so you feel like you're treading egg shells

"2" is particularly a concern which is why i tend to prefer online dating to get to know someone first, but then you see a profile and you see the amount of ridiculous restrictions on what they put about when contacting them
"dont just say 'Hi' or 'Hey' etc dont do this dont do that... it's an introductory message ffs, usually first contact... a simple 'Hi' is and/or asking how they are is just simply being polite...
so most the time i tend to avoid those types, cos if they gonna be that picky before contacting what they gonna be like later on

[PurpleStorm]

YES!! so many people need to read this, those who complain and go about the whole thing wrong. they are so focused and put so much pressure on getting a boyfriend or a girlfriend, forget about the fact that just dating people can be fun. even if they turn out badly that can later make for a fun story to tell. being single can be fun. noone should spend 100$ on a first date even if they can afford it, first date like you said, coffee date is a good idea, and anyone who disagrees to go on it because it's a cheap idea, well that's good too, you just avoided a golddigger or someone high maintenance. Just go out there to have fun, develop better social skills, relax, it's the easiest thing on the planet and can be so much fun if you just allow it.

[TremorJay]

Thank you for the up-vote 😁

[PurpleStorm]

I like how this is highlighted one month after you posted it haha ;D but not complaining, people should read this

[TremorJay]

Me too lol, there's a lot of value in taking on a carefree perspective

[4mazing]

I kind of disagree. Hanging out with your friends is fun. Meeting some complete stranger who these days often has several guys on the backburner, if she even shows up = not so fun.

[PurpleStorm]

@4mazing that is a FAR FAR stretch. Several guys? Get outta here literally met like two girls in my whole life who did that out of hundreds. Not show up? If you text with them beforehand you can tell if they really want to meet up. Even if they don't show up you are free to do whatever you want that night, that's a rare occasion don't act like it happens everyday

[4mazing]

I had one girl literally texting me as I was on my way to the date that she wasn't in the mood. I had another where I took a taxi to her place, then she just stopped responding and I couldn't get in. I had to take the taxi back home. The next morning she told me she fell asleep. Yeah right...

I have flaked too, but at least I do it in good time. Girls can pick and choose so lots of them just become spoilt and rude.

[PurpleStorm]

@4mazing Don't ever take taxis to her place to pick her up unless it's a second date or at a point where you know she's not a flake. The first girl was just disrespectful. Try to choose your girls more wisely, text with them for a longer time so you know who you're dealing with and avoid these types of situations. Those girls had no respect, they did you a favor by not showing up because that type of girl would not make a good partner anyways, some poor soul who does end up going on a date with them will eventually see their true colors. Yes texting for a while before going to see them might seem like too much effort, but I think if you did not have a first date yet it's ok to text several women and keep your options open. men can be choosy too, dating apps are wide and open

[4mazing]

Lol try texting for a while with a girl who has dozens if not hundreds of guys messaging her, which is most girls on dating apps. She'll just stop answering if you don't suggest a date pretty quickly. I'm not sure women have any idea what it is like to date women.

[TremorJay]

@4mazing, If you want to stand out from the guys on dating apps, get off of dating apps. I know it's easier said than done, but there's no better way to solve these problems. You can't get stood up over text when the girl is right in front of you.

[PurpleStorm]

@4mazing not all girls text multiple guys at the same time. But even if there are other guys showing attention trust me not all of them are suggesting dates straight away. I mean if the girl is smart she won't be going to meet some stranger she doesn't know at all from the internet. A lot of creeps online so they would also like to chat for a bit before meeting. And you don't need to be talking for 5 days straight to see what kind of girl she is. It takes less than that to see if she is respectful. Does she reply right away if she's online? Is she engaging with chat and showing interest, not just replying? Her manner of talking?

[PurpleStorm]

Not true, you can get stood up no matter what but I get the point. You would make quite an impression asking a girl out in person or at least for her number. It would be you who had some balls to come up to her vs guys who just posted a pic of themselves

[4mazing]

Maybe it depends on the country. Women here think they are the bee's knees and it's just a shitty arrogant, superficial culture in general. Shakespeare was right about Denmark.

[Robertcw]

This is a cool representation of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs,

I like how it shows zero self-esteem prior to meeting safety needs. As physiological needs become lower and lower priority, self-actualization becomes more and more likely. It's a really cool probability density chart.

[Robertcw]

In fact, this relates to my recent take on incels. They never get off the ground because they never satisfy their physiological needs or establish safety.

Often they miss out on the teenage social development years, and roll into the 20's unemployed with no friends or money, often no car.

Unable to financially take care of themselves they become sickly and skinny or fat and obese. This is compounded for every year that passes.

[TremorJay]

Yeah it's something that stuck in my mind the minute I saw it. It's useful to think about where you might be and what you should focus on to move up the progression. It's not perfect, but it's the best representation I've found. I'm glad somebody paused to look at it

[TremorJay]

Hey, I thought I remembered seeing your headshot. I'll have to go give that a read now

[Gunarchist]

Although I'm not an incel nor never socialised as a teen.. I was dealt with a rather bad hand in high school at times, truama from it affects me quite a lot, that I don't have real life friends, a stable income (I have money but I'm very dependent on my parents), a necessary drive for work (its very hard to make myself work for my step-dad), and I don't like driving either. I hope you don't judge me Robertcw, but how can I be less afraid and sensitive towards independence? I can't cope with much stress at all, I don't know how to calm down well and that even weather badly affects me. It gets VERY fucking hot (30C-40C or ~100F-120F) where I live during spring and summer which means I can't do much at all within these months which makes my life worse :( I wish I could move away partly because of this and social isolation from my real self being so controversial here yet harmless, but I'm very constricted within my beliefs which makes it so hard to legally do anything which requires government permission since I really don't trust any government well.. Considering how disgusting they tend to be. I feel so contradicted and defeated when I submit to them which also holds me back a lot.

[Robertcw]

@Gunarchist Well I'm not a counselor, though I was studying to be one once. I can't really give you advice. But I do believe maslow's hierarchy of needs is real so I would just start at the bottom and go one by one crossing each item off the list, not moving on to the next step until all the previous items are crossed off. That really is the journey of life for most people.

I would try to get away from your living situation and make a bold move to live on your own -- but don't be reckless. I would get a different job first and go from there.

[Jessymjr]

Okay here's a question I went on a date with this guy on January 2 we we t for coffee talked but I didn't feel much of anything no connection no thrill I have a huge crush on this guy I met in grade 10 and i feel this gravitational pull towards them I see a future with him i would say it's love at first sight but I don't know if he feels the same way either way if I'm in love with someone I know well but don't really know if it's a good match should I wait for a relationship or should I date the guy I went on a date with if I don't feel a connection with the guy who is amazing but nothing there what do I do

[TremorJay]

Go after the guy you like and see that through to the end. You can have fun with this other guy, but if it's not fun and there is no future, then don't waste your time.

Don't get hung up on your crush either. It's very dangerous to put your happiness in the hands of another person.

[Gbabequestions]

Where’s the punctuation?

[DizzyDesii]

You’re focusing too much on being materialistic. Money doesn't determine my dates. If i wanna do something special and care for the person enough and want to be adventurous then thats what determines my dates. I’d take em anywhere from a coffee date to a yacht that same afternoon. The money is not the factor for me. I care about the time management and if they can keep that up

[TremorJay]

Hey now, before you come at me like I got a problem, here's the post that inspired me to write this:
Why are guys so into coffee as a first date? ↗

[DizzyDesii]

Im not coming with a problem. You’re reading to deep into it. And i just assumed you were writing this after your GAG date question we answered yesterday

[TremorJay]

Yeah, maybe I took that a little personally. What I'm trying to say, is I'm not the only person here concerned with the materialistic nature of going on a date. It wasn't, and isn't a major concern of mine, I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. My question (s) were just brain storming exercises so that I could write this.

There are a good number of girls in that post calling men cheap, unadventurous, or lazy for asking a girl out for coffee, as opposed to something more thrilling, but much more expensive. I can see both perspectives on this equation, and my post was to try and outline a balance.

[DizzyDesii]

I understand. Coffee has always been my dream first date but i want to follow up with other activities that same day. Coffee is just the start. And we won't even actually be drinking coffee lol

[TremorJay]

Yes, coffee is always meant to lead somewhere else. I wouldn't be too hopeful if the date ended there

[Screenwriter]

It might have to end there because the asker planned to do other things that day. Have another date the next open day for the both of you. A great date would be the city's art museums. There are several that are nice. On Thursday evenings there are jazz combos in one downtown art museum. The botanical gardens at the big city park are about $4 or 5 dollars to walk through during pleasant weather. Would take a long time to walk through them.. There's a sculpture garden behind the city art museum that's free and has all kinds of interesting sculptures... According to good weather or no, you can mix it up. I live in a temperate zone. ONly outdoor prohibitive is heavy rain...

[DiegoO]

1. Soulmates do exist, there are a lot of soulmates for us around the globe, like there are others who will never match with us.

*Don't say that to someone you are dating.

I agree with the rest of the things you explained. From what I conclude, after experiencing a LDR, dating can be easy or complicated, depending on where you are standing in your life. It's important to know yourself well, know who you are, to then know where you wanna go (life project). If you are lost in those matters your dates and relationships will always be a disaster. To know who you are and where you want to go means that you have a clear idea of who you're looking for and what you wanna do together with that person.

[TremorJay]

I suppose I could give into the idea that there are multiple soulmates, I'll give it some thought. I'm not sure what the distinction is between highly compatible matches and soulmates at that point.

That assumption is based on the original idea that everyone has a single soulmate. If we were to give into that idea there would be no incentive to act, because it's the idea that you're going to meet that one person eventually.

That's not such a bad idea, when you consider that it frees you up to enjoy life without the pressure to search for a mate, and consequently that makes you more attractive.

Today though, we have plenty of data that shows many people die without a lasting romantic relationship or offspring. Some of that is choice, some of it is circumstance, but the rest is just natural selection taking its course.

[DiegoO]

In life, there are always exceptions.

I only could speak for my self. At this point in my life, I am better off alone. Not always is a good idea to find a partner and I think is naive to devote your happiness to that pursuit if you think it's a race.

My philosophy: if you like someone, go for it, if there is nothing holding you back (extrinsically, intrinsically).

[BigJake]

Dating has never been what I would call fun. Fishing is fun. Watching football and having a beer is fun. Dating often just feels like work, because for guys, a lot of it is. Very little of the burden for having a successful night out falls on the girl. It's mostly up to the guy to make things run right and to pay for everything. Then, on top of all that, half the time you realize 30 minutes in that you can't stand the other person and don't even want

I'm sure some people have fun with it, because the whole thing seems novel to them, but to me it seems more like some team-building challenge on a really shitty corporate retreat.

[soleil2666]

I agree,

I came to GAG to see why everyone is so GRUMPY and up in arms over any particular point they can make (often out of frustration).
It was a plus to see not all is that bad - the reasons for dating not working out are very much what you said though, that people aim to have someone but not to have fun, to be playful, or tally up their likes and values and enjoy time together.

[TremorJay]

I liked that last little bit, tallying up likes and values. There's a fair bit of wisdom in that

[soleil2666]

Well if you take that attraction means sex is a given - for a relationship (to last) you need similar views - those likes and values. Otherwise you diverge at some point (the ancient wisdom being you are meant to center the world around each other and not around what your friends or her friends think about it - that's 'family first'.
The thing is that a relationship will only last if there are children from it - there's no way anyone will put just the connection with another person in front of all others - when you can always connect with someone, and sex is (at least supposedly) so liberally available.

[TonyBologna25]

Dating is fun at surface level, but anything past that brings in a lot of unwanted complications. People are complex, and so are women’s emotions. Compatibility is a thing, and sometimes you gotta go through some really shitty people to find the one that’s actually right for you.

Logically, if dating and relationships were easy, everyone would have no issues and you’d only hear about successful and happy couples. That’s not reality.

[englisc]

This might seem like common sense advice, but it doesn't really work that way. These things don't really help you much at all.

[TremorJay]

It's been true in my experience, unfortunately that's all I can share

[englisc]

In what ways has it been true?

[TremorJay]

If I'm able to enjoy the process of dating, I'm able to flirt with women who don't necessarily peak my interest. That means when I do come across a girl I'm interested in, I'm already warmed up and less likely to choke.

It also naturally increases attraction if I'm seen interacting with women. If I can go back to the women I was already having fun with after a rejection, it softens the blow, and that woman I liked may consider that she misjudged me. If I'm not going out with this mindset, it looks much different. I may not even approach as a consequence of not warming up, and if I do and I get rejected, I go back to myself and my thoughts.

[Janncis]

This ir a reason that for now i dont date, at the moment you start feeling tired form dating, take step back and figure out why it happens. If you can't do it, at the end you will settle for someone who doesn't care about you, just want end goal of not being alone.

[Twalli]

I disagree on the soulmate thing. Everyone has as one. That's it, only ONE. So in 7.5 billion+ people in the world the likliehood of finding your soulmate is 1 in 7.5 billion+, which I think is a m. j ske than the likliehood of winning the lottery twice. So Ibwould say don't date trying to find your soulmate, but if you happen to find him/her you got extremely lucky.

[backinblack22]

I always attend somewhere with live music, but chill music (jazz) and a sit down place.

[backinblack22]

Coffee dates are too boring in my opinion. They are a good idea to “qualify” women without wasting money. I for one NEVER buy dinner on first dates. Never. Only drinks

[TremorJay]

This is good insight, I've yet to really explore the city I live in. Some place with music that isn't too loud, that sounds ideal

[backinblack22]

Somewhere you would be happy if you were just there yourself or with some friends. Since you are paying for the date, you call the shots.

The first date is always a crap shoot anyway. Guys are going to pay the penis tax no matter what. But at least pay while doing something you enjoy. I also find jazz/house music has a strong calming effect on most people, including your date.

[DoggyLover]

well put but you need a better title. dating will never be easy or much fun.

[DonCachondo]

I find dating and nearly every activity associated with it in our culture inherently UNFUN :(

[Tyler131]

Yeah, it sucks bad.

[Nerdvana]

Dating isn't easy because I keep getting turned down :(

[cicchis0]

Nah, dating isn't easy because I can't get a date and it's damn near impossible to do on your own.

[Robertcw]

🤔 You'd be surprised my man. Get a Cinemark Movie Club membership. Can start a monthly movie treat for yourself.

Can go from there really.

[cicchis0]

@Robertcw I don't mind doing stuff on my own but I find the post-date sex a little unfulfilling.

[Robertcw]

Ah, well I never did that stuff man. Lol. I would just go see the movie. Or go to the beach or do whatever I wanted to do.

[themomo84]

I dislike pressure in a so-called enjoyable action. I like group activities, it eases the pressure of having to be "on".

[4mazing]

Really smart Take. Feel rather intimidated tbh.

[TremorJay]

I'll take the compliment, but intimidated? By me? Surely you mean something else