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I know it's supposed to be 59/50 but that's only an average. In any given day I'm pretty sure we do, if only for the looks prep and outfit change time. Guys can just roll out of bed. I means lot of movie star guys have hairdo's like they just did anyway. You never see a woman on the red carpet with bed head. Lol.
I think movie stars are the exception but the general guy has to look good by working out and doing facial scrubs, doing their hair and wearing nice clothes too lol or else we don't get a date
@starzcapz In finding a date I agree guys also have to look good, but I thought this was talking about relationships
I think men put more work in when it comes to the asking and paying at first. But once it becomes a relationship I think women put a little more into it. Cuz we are always trying to fix the issues when guys tend to want to ignore them and hope they go away. That's just in general. But I believe depending on the relationship both put the same love toward each other just in different ways.
I don't understand all these guys saying all women want is money, good looks, good jobs, etc... Am I an alien amoungst women. First of all my first relationship was with a man I fell in love with over the phone and didn't even know what he looked like. I knew I wanted to be with him so I drove down and met him. He was a bit over weight and had a goofy smile. But I loved him for him. He had a minimum wage job and I ended up spending 15 years with him til he fucked up. Then two years ago I met my boyfriend now. He had no job and was drinking himself to death until I came along. Honestly we both didn't want anything serious. Just have fun and have great sex. He took me on one date as he was broke. But during the time we spent together we fell in love, I moved in as he needed a roommate cuz he couldn't pay the rent with no job yet and I was our only source of income. I didn't judge him. Not all women are so materialistic. I got to know and love him on the inside. We have come a long way.
I've always made the guy work for it. If he wants me he won't give up. I've had some boring guys and then they get annoyed that I'm not that interested. Cause they're BORING lol. Always initiate and pay for the girl the first while. After some level of comfort and noticed effort I like to give, a lot. I like to make sure the guy is in it for the right reasons before I put myself and my weirdness out there.
Of course. The guy has to put himself out there before you do. Why do women always think like this? No guy wants to stay around someone who looks at them as some kind of personal entertainment.
@dontknow12 See this woman's way of thinking is what gives us all a bad name. Know we are not all like her and actually some of us think we should give as much as we get. I expect nothing from a guy besides treating me as I treat him.
@PinkMichae I agree with you. Opinion owner sounds like she has princess syndrome or something.
With that attitude I am surprised any guy wants to date you.
Men easily. It is not even a competition. Women do not realize just how difficult it is for the average guy to get a phone number, let alone a date. For every one woman who says yes to him, it was preceded by at least a dozen rejections.
It is the role of both genders to put effort in a relationship and it all depends on the people in the relationship on who puts more effort into it nether men or women as a whole puts more effort then the other as far as other goes there still male or female unless they are born a hermafordi i'm that the only natureal form of another gender
In my honest opinion I think its either because it depends on the person. I feel like "the guy" in relationships sometimes. But my ex husband completely changed after we got married. He stopped trying. And then when our marriage was dead & I wanted out, he started to care... It all boils down to who wants to make it work & who doesn't. If that makes sense.
Obviously men.
But the girls will chime in "but we have to look good". Ya you need to do at least one thing!
It's getting old how women try so hard to convince the world how hard it is for women and how they have it so bad. Yet with the opportunity to be equal, they fail to rise to the challenge.
What they only need to do is open their legs and every men is theirs. Sad but true.
@YellowCactus not every man. Only b grade men.
"Have to look good" for every woman there is at least one desperate guy thinking of taking her to his house.
Ylu mean c - grade men
Women are the " gatekeepers " to everything , so for dating & all the first steps , it is without a doubt , far harder for men , as it's nearly always the woman that does the choosing. Later on when established , both parties need to put in equal effort. This is why I'm separated , my ex put in zero effort & was a negative in nearly every department , now a single dad , so there won't be any dating for me !!
Women just have to weight what they should weight. Men on the other hand have to make six figures, 9 inch dick, 6 pack abs, a house, expensive car, be a doctor, be funny, and basically the top 10% of men. For women, they just have to weight less than 150 pounds here in America because if you at least accomplish being at a healthy weight, that puts women in the 20% of women hot enough to bang because women here in America are disgustingly obese.
lol dude
@Afrochick =) Love you! You're the only person that I know that acknowledges that I speak the truth.
My honest Opinion :
Men put more effort into dating
Women put more effort into (transforming dating to an actual relationship )
For a girl : Its much more easier to get a guy in the first place than keep a guy in the long run
For a guy : its much more harder to get a girl in the first place than to keep a girl in the long run
but women need to change that
I just don't know anymore
exactly. men are typical. they say we are difficult but they are the ones who run off the moment things get serious. disgusting little creatures ain't they :)
@PlanetOfTheIdiots I don't run off though
I just think women are more selective cause most and i am saying most not all , want something long term... while a guy is more in the moment kind of thinking and enjoys each day as it comes
no women don't want to stay committed every girl I've been with has flaked on me
sadly that's one thing women need to get control of
@CancerianMan81 Thats odd i know myself and my friends dont date unless we see a potential future with someone
you know what the funny thing is cancers excel at everything we do but nobody wants to give us what we want now explain that to me why they don't want to give us what we want
men do all the approaching? hahahahahaha
pretty much most of the time i had to approach a guy because he was too busy admiring from a distance and i couldn't be assed waiting. when a guy did approach me it was through friends.
both genders are equally as bad/good at things. again, sick of all these gender war-type questions
Men approach attractive women. Some are too shy. but if you are attractive some men will approach.
Vast majority of the time men are the ones approaching.
Anyone somewhat decent looking woman i know has said men approach them somewhat often. You are obviously not as good as you think. you probably see men that are interested in shy when in realty they may all be looking at you in such a way.
you men are pussies xD you downvote my comment why? because i am not completely kissing your asses? grow up.
Delusional bitter bitches get down voted.
@Kuqezi i think you need your eyes testing and go to some kind of attitude schooling, because i was neither bitter nor a bitch. i was saying i approach guys more... and also saying blaming one gender over the other is a stupid thing to do. dumb asshole
Lol, men approach women they want oftenly... your clearly not attractive if it doesn't happen. Lol face it your ugly and stupid af :DDDD.
@Jamesol1 lol you do realise how fking dumb you all sound right? knowing you feel the need to try put me down over something i said that wasn't even meant to offend... pathetic xD
Bitter: "Men do all the approaching Hahahahahaha"
Bitch: "You men are pussies XD"
Delusional: "you downvote my comment why? because i am not completely kissing your asses? grow up".
Also a moron for saying "again, sick of all these gender war-type questions" lol
@Kuqezi nice going on taking everything out of context sweety. 19 years old and ignorant =D
Nothing logical to say? Typical response calling me "ignorant" lmao
@Kuqezi righttttt because your response to mine is oh so logical xD
@Kuqezi you guys are the fking reason i am a feminist. it's ok for self involved males to slander and insult women to feel better about themselves, but if a female says so much as something different than he wants to hear he goes fking ape shit and harasses her ass. fking double standard cowards. you know men are naturally supposed to be the ones to step up and protect a woman, these days they are all wimps who get butthurt by the simplest thing a woman says. oh please.
Their you go again being delusional lol
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Feminism is cancer, not reading your essay lmao
@PlanetOfTheIdiots that's the thing it was never meant to be offensive. they are just being petty and immature lol
petty and immature is an understatement. guys on here seem to think they are fking awesome, gods gift to women and the planet... yet don't seem to realise instead of doing something useful with their lives they would rather harass women and brag about what OTHER men have done to make themselves look better in an argument it's pathetic. i can't believe their mothers gave birth to such embarrassments. yes... guys.. you are better than women.. clearly. better in the fact you are better at being pathetic.
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Lol im not reading that bs. More cancer. You 2 are uneducated. Please exit life.
@OpinionOwner I agree and it needs to stop
@Jamesol1 i am uneducated because i literally said i approach guys... right. now you are just being an antagonistic idiot.
@Jamesol1 typical retarded sexist male. will say his bullcrap of a piece then ignore what anyone else has to say. because they can't stomach the fact they might just be in the wrong.. awwww poor baby awww.
Lmao this thread is getting funny asf
@PlanetOfTheIdiots you ain't doing yourself any favors by picking him apart
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Please, so just because someone disagrees with your views or beliefs you can insult them and their MOTHERS? Who do you think you are? if you can't handle arguments you should stay in the Kitchen.
by the way, @Asker YOU did NOT post anything wrong, i give you that.
@MrDetermined YES lets allow sexist men to get away with their disgusting views. lets give them respect... better yet lets allow them to rape women at will.. why the fk not right?
bitch make me a sandwich.
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Is every man sexist to pyscho Nazis?
@MrDetermined i know i didn't.. what is worse is i was sticking up for BOTH genders and yet i get insulted for doing so? maybe i should go feminist it makes more fucking sense to do so. because clearly men don't respect women at all looking at a lot of these posts/comments. it's disgusting
@PlanetOfTheIdiots what is with feminists and their rape shit
I think it's not about disrespecting women, but it's just that they have different opinions/views. Both genders need to be respected.
men will never have respect for women at all... men think they are superior and we should do what they say and kiss the ground they walk on. however we see their flaws and they don't like that and so comes the whole power play card.
trust me you will be so happy in the feminist community, we respect other women unlike men *the mistake of society* no man could ever give you what the community can.
Now you're playing victim? Lmao you're the discusting one
@OpinionOwner well I know you was sticking up for both genders
PlanetOfTheIdiots@ You take things WAY too seriously and lack self control. Seriously, see a therapist.
@PlanetOfTheIdiots are you fucking delusional cause the community or state in this case is the one's that are is the one's that are screwing everybody over
@Kuqezi you don't seem to realise how stupid you look and sound do you? you are just harassing me because you got butthurt over something you don't want to accept.
i never said that women are the ones that approach men more, i merely laughed at the statement that men always approach when in a lot of cases it's not true. the fact you feel the need to continue insulting me says a LOT about you.
nothing ever did proper from the state it never did
he's 19 what do you expect from a boy who has never got pussy before? he's so angry no girl wants him and he is taking it out on you. i feel sorry for the guy, must have a tiny pecker =)
also i don't need therapy... but a lot of males on here do.
First comment I left: Vast majority of the time men are the ones approaching.
Not insult lol
You're reply: you men are pussies xD you downvote my comment why? because i am not completely kissing your asses? grow up.
This is an insult.
You're the one who's butthurt over get thumbs down, quit playing victim.
And I don't know what's up with the man hating feminist in here lmao
you know what the state is trying to do their trying to make people from being dependent on them so they can break up a happy home that all of us people that tried to build upon it
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Majority of people already hate feminists. The man hating stereotype is real lol
@PlanetOfTheIdiots I know you're not talking about me cause I didn't do anything to you
@Kuqezi yes you were pussies for down voting... i never said anything out of context.. and then the second guy implied i must be ugly if guys are not approaching me.. i have had no problems attracting or dating who I wanted. you said men are the ones to approach more when i clearly said i hate making things about genders and yet you continue to be antagonistic either way. you say i am playing the victim, yet little do you realise you are... by saying men pretty much get it worse than women. there is always a blaming war going on between genders and yet even when i try coup up in the middle it is always men who put me down... making me think there will never be equality.
he was talking about the other girl being a victim
@CancerianMan81 he is actually talking about me if you read back. i know what he is trying to do. he is trying to make it out like i am a feminist who blames men and praises women. all i said was that i have approached men more than they have me, so a lot of the statements in this post is untrue... because BOTH genders are equally in the same position. i truly believe it depends on the person.. what is happening in this post is a gender war. (pure open opportunity for men and women to blame each other and put each other down) which i hate... A lot. when calling someone out for not understanding the concept of my post, they all move to insulting me. which just proves my point. there is hardly any sense on this site anymore. i think i am done with it to be honest. it's just gender wars
I don't blame ya for not liking it
I don't agree with your opinion so I'm pussy lmao ok... The button is there for a reason.
Men do have it harder when comes this topic though so I wasn't personally playing victim, it's true. The olny people that want a "gender war" are feminists since all they do is play victim and want special treatment.
@CancerianMan81 maybe i came across as a gender basher? it's just my personality. i laugh at things that contradict themselves. it wasn't meaning to start this whole stupid controversy. well i am done with this site i think lol
i was hoping for other people to say.. same i hate all these gender-war questions but got the opposite. clearly the wrong place to be if you want equality. it makes you want to become sexist/feminist the amount of ignorance on here lol. ah well take care all those that did stick up for me. appreciate it
you're welcome
@Kuqezi technically you don't even try to understand it from a womans point of view. which is why it is pointless arguing with you.
which is why this whole question is pointless. because women will never understand things as a man, and men will never understand things as a women. it's all pointless. trust me. right i'm out.
@Kuqezi what am i doing on here in the first place... well lets see shall we..
i am on a site.. like you. i am responding to posts, like you. so what the fk you doing on here if not for the same reason i am? you can't say shit to defend your presence here, harassment is your tactic. such skill
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Whatever drug you're own, I want!
@Kuqezi you clearly need some kind of drug.
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Really I need to know! Is this drug the reason all feminists are sexist psychopaths?
@Kuqezi seems like the existence of women is the reason why you are a sexist sociopath. it's men like you why feminism exists. keep crying little boy, while i enjoy my "pill" :)
@PlanetOfTheIdiots So feminism exist to fight sexists with sexism?
You're delusional if you don't think you're sexist lol
@PlanetOfTheIdiots sure in the hell can't have an emotional connection with women that's for damn sure
@Kuqezi why would we fight sexism with kindness? you can fuck right of
@PlanetOfTheIdiots but yet I hear different
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Thanks for proving point, good day lunatic!
I want him to be sweet on me cause I've been through a lot in my life
@CancerianMan81 one min you say you are not attacking me, the next you are trying to start shit with me. thanks for proving MY point. and bye Kuqezi fking 19 year old brat.
but when it comes down to brass taxes and we are you want to treat us men like shit
no I'm just telling you what I have to put up with every day and i'm not saying that it's you that's doing it
@CancerianMan81 only because you men want to treat us like shit. we are just doing the same things you are doing and calling it feminism. while you men decide to call it MGTOW. you can't expect a shit storm without the shit.
I'm not the one that's got an attitude with women I just don't care for some of the actions women do there's a difference to that then how you're explaining it
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Bye angry sexist lesbian😚
I'm not part of MGTOW thank you I'm my own person
I'm not part of "GROUP'S" because I'm a loner
I can't be part of anybody because I'm an outcast to everybody in this world for the simple reason because I have ADHD
@PlanetOfTheIdiots so nice try calling me a MGTOW
and FYI I'm not here because I am going my own way it's because most not all women have put me here
@CancerianMan81 i never called you MGTOW. it was a simple explanation that feminism exists for the same reason MGTOW does. the world is a nasty place... if you are a female or someone with a disability there are always people there to make your life hell. i am ashamed of humanity. but i chose a side... until things change i am sticking with it
and wtf is wrong with lesbians exactly Kuqezi? so not only are you sexist, you are homophobic. ain't you a bundle of joy?
@CancerianMan81 also you are not a bad looking guy. some women just want what they want try not to take it too personally. you will find someone who will love you for you. i think everyone at some point in time gets rejected in someway
@PlanetOfTheIdiots and for once In my life I wish someone can accept me for who I am and not call me a weirdo because I have ADHD and nobody has a right calling us weirdo's
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Nothing wrong with lesbians lol
Well you don't like men so you must be the typical lesbian feminist that's angry at men maybe you were rejected by them or daddy issues? You're a typical PC crybaby that thinks women are oppressed in a 1st world country. Lmao check your privilege moron
I'm not saying that you are
@Kuqezi so says the idiotic guy who claims he was leaving but can't help but cry some more about how offended he is by lesbians. dude... take your own advice. you are the one harassing someone on their own post that wasn't even that offensive, if at all offensive. hypocrite much?
@PlanetOfTheIdiots umm so you're not being one of those kind of feminists that just go on hating all men
for the way I understand it
@CancerianMan81 i'll tell you a secret. i pretend to be sexist to all men to piss them off. i get oddly entertained. but no.. i am mainly with feminists because a lot of men out there are sexist even though they try play it off like they are not. (which is insulting)
oh i am not sexist, but men have it harder waaaaaaaaa (yea that kind of bullcrap) lol
@PlanetOfTheIdiots well yeah not just to yourself but everyone around you
it's childish to be that way
I totally get where you are coming from
you have to expect for the way women are if you really want to have a relationship with'em expectations isn't really a good thing in a relationship
@PlanetOfTheIdiots You can't pretend to be a sexist when feminism is a group of proud sexists. How hypocritical?
Also it didn't start the harassing lol
@CancerianMan81 i am a feminist that fights for womens rights AGAINST sexist males who believe we are all the same and don't want to give us any rights or say. feminazis are the crazy ones who get offended by everything and anything. feminists want respect as a gender. respect is earned and also given back in token of earning. i was like the girl who started this post once. i was all for equality. but the more i tried to stick up for both genders Sadly.. the only people i found putting me down was males. i then chose a side.
feminism wasn't supposed to be this big thing where men got less options and rights, it was supposed to be about letting women get more rights and more power just like men. however a lot of men didn't like that and went bat shit crazy with MGTOW spreading their crap thus born the feminazi. the pure sexist female. i know this all sounds crazy. but it's quite true all in all i think we all just want to find a level ground but we will always be too competitive
and all these people saying that you have to have high standards but to what expense I mean if you're constantly failing at every turn then you'll never have what you want cause if the end always justifies the means then you are going to have a crappy life
it's the work that you put in that always justifies the means
@Kuqezi wow you really don't know anything. shows how ignorant this generation of men are. (not including those who understand or are willing to learn)
feminism did not start of sexist. it was about womens rights and getting more power to do things just like men. back in the day women had no say at all, if we were out of line once we would be punished. pretty much like slaves.
men would laugh at women who wanted to vote, sharing your opinion back then as a woman was offensive to a man. without feminism women wouldn't have as many oppertunities as we do... feminism is not what it is today because of feminazis. who don't really care about rights and making things even... just care about over taking the male species. which i am not for, however i do feel a lot of men today are sexist and it may continue to get worse. i couldn't win in the middle fighting for both sides, so i chose a side.
but look at it from my point of view
division on both genders isn't always a good thing too many men like me care to much for you women I would love for you women to have if I was the one giving it to you
supply and demand
the government or the state ain't got you're interest at heart cause those 2 things only care for what they want to get out of it
@PlanetOfTheIdiots Feminazi isn't a real word, you're all the same. Feminism was needed back then, it's no longer needed in a 1st world country. Real equal rights is needed in 3rd world countries, you guys are as privileged as men here.
Feminism is currently in its 3rd wave and olny get worse. What makes you think olny 17% of women in the US consider themselves feminists?(# drops every year) because they know it's a sham. I live in NYC, every feminist here is nuts but it's great to see that they're dying out.
@Kuqezi women and men ain't the problem it's the government and the state department
the system is broken you understand
@CancerianMan81 exactly why i am not sexist to all men. because a lot of men care and respect women. even if they get treated like crap by women they know not every girl is the same, and they will find the one they deserve.
I am feminist because i hate the amount of sexist males there are, even guys who are not MGTOW you can clearly see are sexist.
I get put into all kinds of categories before i became a feminist. for the sake of bad experiences they have had with other females... the rest of us pay for it too. we all get classed as bitches with no heart who have it easy.
it's just wrong to assume such things. it's getting worse too... so i chose a side. i don't agree with bashing all men.. but i guess you could say i troll a little to get reactions. a lot of time when doing this men will show their true colours.. those that are not sexist don't lower themselves to insulting women. it's how you find the MGTOWS. they get offended easy
@PlanetOfTheIdiots me I can't help but get offended cause I'm hypersensitive i'm an empath
me I'm set in my ways and there ain't no one that's going to change that
PlanetOfTheIdiots@ BUT women do the same as men in regards to treating all men like shit just because of one bad experience. I am part of MGTOW but i am understanding and open minded. I never lose my temper. so your sexism would not work on me, and you would not get a reaction from me. People are just too stuck to their views these days.
@MrDetermined well that's all we can do
me I understand where she is coming from
and I can tell you right now that's she's genuine
From the start, its the guys. Even on dating sites. Woman tend not to do anything? Except when faced with a relationship, in which woman start doing things.
Great relationships , it's both @100% each. As for traditionally set relationships , it's always both together. Today's weird ass ways, with out reception being from females like normal , men have just said fuck it already... so probably females trying harder now... Only like this in 49 states , Hawaii still unefected by all this gender bs.
"men have just said fuck it already"
hahah yep
Honestly, I have never been in a relationship, so I have no real take on that. However, I would have to say at least the dating part, I feel like I made more of an effort because I put myself out there and also paid for the first dates. Did not get a second date out of any of them due to differences in personalities and what we were looking for/
Ahhhh That is a good ass question! I picked B because while women do have to deal with self maintenance and looking good. Which it is a lot of effort but , I love doing it anyway so its not THAT much effort for me personally. If you love it, its fun.
Thats in the beginning
In a long term commitment its deff both#
wow slapping on makeup is so hard lol
Its not just slapping on makeup its an art form. You need to know how to blend master color transitions with the etc..
You try it! You will see not as easy as you think esp to do it well!! You try it do a full face blended beautifuly with eyes and eyebrows then you tell me its easy...
Then dont knock someones art form if you haven't done it or tried it and done it better.
Women bring makeup and sex to a relationship. What would men do without women besides masturbate for eternity.
@Mrwoo99 wow, a lot you put out... how about we get a room?
On a real note: What would you do? Just like myself, enjoy the days I have. Because most woman think like you :) One sided
Men HAVE to take on lots of risk to even get a damn phone number!
I have to give the burden to the risktaker.
Approaching is really a difficult task for me i never done so single always. one a girl approached me i would say approaching is done by both sex.. its not always that men always pay. girls who go for self maintenance and make up are looking for center of attraction.
men also go for self maintenance and want to have good looks. you cannot tell who puts more effort in general.
but for a particular relationship you could say this.
Women have got it easy 90% of the time in my opinion. If a girl is half decent all she has to do is wait around doing her own thing and she will be constantly approached by guys. The only catch is sometimes these are the wrong type of confident cocky guys so if she really wants to take control of who she is dating she needs to search out the right sort of guy and maybe give him a hint especially if he is not the overly outgoing type.
Men do not do all the paying. I hate it when my boyfriend pays for things regularly, like it being 50:50 only fair and would hate him to ever think I only stay with him as he pays. Plus I like to treat him to 🙂
Men for sure. They have to try hard to be a top 20% or born with good genetics to be a high value male desired by women.
Even without make up, if a woman drop her pants, she'll still get sex. Just have the self discipline to not over eat and get fat.
Any woman can get sex. But takes a lot of effort to have a relationship and to be respected.
That's the thing though, women don't value sex like men do and don't care about it as much as much as men do. Although love and relationships is what women desire the most but men don't desire relationship like women do because both sexes are wired differently.
Why do you think bachelor men with big supply of women are happy and single. Men can be happy without relationships or commitment as long as a man has lots of women to choose from for sex.
has anyone ever met a guy who pays for everything? I voted woman... guys pop on a pair of jeans and they're off. Money was the only thing you mentioned that was bad for men and its mostly half after first date but 300 dates in the girl still has t have the make up and the sexy lingerie
I don't know what world you live in.. In this day and age, guys have to look just as presentable as women. No guy out there is asking a girl to look like a doll. It's pretty much equal in "dressing the part." If you're taking an hour to get ready, that's on you.
AS far as the dating game, men have it so much harder. They are the ones that are still expected to approach women, initiate conversation, have to be creative and think of dates, pay for the first couple of dates, etc at least.
And then when some women complain and make excuses about not approaching the guy. . It's just hilarious. "Wahhh I'm afraid I'll look desperate." What a pathetic excuse in the 21st century. Bravo to the women that don't play that double standard bull shit in the 21st century and go for what they want.
>> 300 dates in the girl still has t have the make up and the sexy lingerie
Really?
Considering I don't even find makeup attractive, that's quite an exaggeration.
"Has to"?
Men.
I'm sure women generally put a lot of effort into their appearance, but they do that excessively *by choice.* I mean we hear it constantly: women don't dress for men's satisfaction, often stated not just as a matter of fact but as if the very notion of catering to men is offensive. So what they do for maintenance doesn't count according to women.
And beyond that what is there?
I supposed it depends what you think counts as effort toward "dating and relationships."
That was the defining point of the question for me as well. I think a lot of people over looked the "has to" part.
I dont do it for other women, hell nah!! I'm sure the fad followers
do though. I'm sure if all the men were to fall off the face of the earth, the cosmetic companies would go down in flames.
@jjesica346 Tell that to the women who scoff and say "It's for me" or "to feel confident" or whatever. I'm like, so you'd still wear all that shit if you were living in a shack in the woods? Doubt it.
I do it for myself, too. Although, if I didn't have to leave the house... tbh I wouldn't do it that often.
@jjesica346 I think doing for oneself doesn't really get to the heart of the reasoning why people do what they do, but whatever, the main point is it seems odd for them to say they do it for themselves, yet also think they can use that as their reasoning to vote A on this poll -- apparently they see no conflict there.
I think maintenance entails more than just involving make up.
@jjesica346 Doesn't matter what it entails, point is that it's not good reasoning for this question.
Men! The men deal with the emotional women (hats of to you guys) and I feel like they have more stress about the relationship than the chick.
I haven't ever had to do much. I just subtly let a guy know I like him and then he usually approaches me about dates and or sex.
Haha, obviously males. They're expected to do all this crap because apparently penis == thick wallet
I mean depends on his financial stability , which means he can afford you to do all those Medicure pedicure bootycure's lol,
But girls also has to stay faithful , but once girl looks better it means other guys will more likely to hit on you, anyways I think the effort it's half and half in a relationship it has to be even, or else it will not last , trust me.
actually personally think women do 55% of the work especially when they have a family women has to cook clean make sure the man is doing his job and also getting everyone ready for the week
in relationships we dont just sit a look pretty we have to keep up personal hygiene and we have to do a lot more things in that area to
men has to look good pay bills work keep up a the house/yard and yea pay for everything so id sat its a little bit equal
I think you missed the point, to be honest. What was the question. doesn't mention any of the other outcomes, in which you adressed.
Most woman on here missed the first part? No issues in regards to the relationship. I agree on most of the part in the relationship being 50-50. In most cases woman are more nurturing, and I'd say woman play a role in making relationships work. Depending upon the person, and the up bringing of some people, life lessons etc.
"... make sure the man is doing his job..." Seriously, what the fuck? The last thing a guy wants in his life is a woman hovering over his shoulder to make sure he's doing exactly what she expects. At 13, I really have to question your experience with these things you're referencing aside from keeping up with personal hygiene.
Men have to learn the Jedi mind trick of reading a woman's mind, and also knowing exactly what she wants before she does. Then after you've been sleeping together for more than a few that familiar technique of just laying on her back and verbally stroking his ego while he's doing the grunt work of laying pipe/splitting her in half if he's doing it right. Also doggy style doesn't count, just sticking her behind out and holding her position while getting her back blown out hardly counts.
I think both genders have to put a lot of effort, because building a relationship is something that requires the same amount of effort from both parts.
I chose other because I believe both should put in as much effort into dating and relationships. As much as men like a well put together woman, women like a well put together man, both should take care of how they look. And men shouldn't always be paying for everything and women should approach the men they like as well. It's simple find someone whose going to treat you like a human not a fucking bank or a damn accessory.
That doesn't answer the question though.
Do some guys feel a bit upset that there are a lot of girls who think that they do most for and during dates and relationship? Hasn't it been our mission for some of us to try and please the girl so much who we care about? Looking at the results I'm thinking why should I really care so much? It's not worth if it doesn't get recognised, is it? I know it always depends on the person, but generally speaking... if this is the general perception.
No, we notice the work guys put in:) but girls do sometimes put heaps of effort in. all my relationships i dated the biggest jerks, i put all my effort into a relationship and he just randomly decides he's into some one else:/
i think most guys don't actually put effort in, mainly just guys like the ones on this website, thats why were all here, to learn about the opposite sex. But trust me, the majority of guys put in no effort other than asking us out, then we gotta pay for most crap and we stress out coz we dont know if he actually likes us and so forth. i had to stop for a while coz i haven't found an actually nice guy that will equally put in as much effort as me, its so exhausting.
@wassup_homie You are still very young. You will have lots more experiences. There is no doubt that there will be lots of guys putting in an effort for you. Just be patient a lot lies ahead for you.
Not where i live XD i know because i watch my mum and all her friends dating and those guys are hella pathetic as well. also most of my friends i chill with are in their 20's and they have the same problem. i guess it's just where i live, or certain guys.
A relationship is both male and female (unless you're homosexual but I'm speaking of a heterosexual relationship), thus it should be both genders. Both need to put in work to make a relationship work, it surprises me how many people are saying male.
Ideally it should be equal and in my personal dating life, it is always equal except from the very first step of actually asking someone out because I'm way too shy to take that. But yeah, it's about equal, especially the relationships aspect of it.
In relationships, its both? Its woman I feel.
@Gustafsone12584 if I notice a guy isn't putting as much effort into the relationship as I am we'll need to have a talk lol
Effort goes both ways. I'm not sure. But I've noticed woman, won't even make a connection. And from your picture, I'd be getting the same responce... useally nothing. Why's that? It's because equality has kinda gone out the window. You either look good, or you dont. But then truly you don't have to worry. Bet guys talking to you all the time? Or your happy in love?
@Gustafsone12584 nope, white guys actually kinda look at me with disgust for some reason & I've never had a boyfriend at all.
>>>>>>"nope, white guys actually kinda look at me with disgust for some reason"
^ Whaaaat, really? :o Well fortunately, there are more than just white guys in this world, haha. ^_^
@nfigure yeah I have no idea why or maybe it's my paranoia taking over but I think white guys in general just find me incredibly ugly. I've only been approached by one sober white guy in my entire life and considering I live in Europe I think that speaks for itself.
Your not getting approched by enough then
@Gustafsone12584 haha right..
Then don't believe me :) Even both you woman, said it was "white guys" have these issues. I'm white :)
Anyway, thanks for the talk. Seems like you don't get it. That's how woman are. They, just don't get it.
In successful relationships It's about the same, just in different ways.
Any relationship where one person puts in vastly more effort than the other is doomed to fail.
I feel men do because it takes a lot to impress women and win them over
I think there's a reason that this joke exists:
"Female requirements for dating; Tall, handsome, well paying job, funny, gets me, experienced, ETC.
Male requirements for dating; Don't be fat."
Not to say I agree with it, but women definitely have it easier.
Hahaha. Is it really that hard to slap some makeup on? Seriously, many female facebook friends will take a simple computer selfie after 10 minutes of powdering their face and have people all over them.
Men have to get into the best of their job positions and make the most money possible. Is that easy? Compared to slapping some formula on their face? Fuck no. Men stress and work their asses off every day so some toxic woman can at least appear to be happy.
You sound like a catch
Guys as is a stereotype that guys have to do everything. And when they say no they get a ton of crap. xD Girls just can sit and choose and just be there I'd say thats a pretty short straw guys get just for being born.
Even though I haven't dated anyone, I feel like guys have to put more effort in, it's tough to do all the approaching (personally), and I don't care if the girl wears makeup or not, all you have to do is take care of yourself.
I don't expect a guy to pay and am more than happy to pay but what I refuse to do is ask him out. I'm shy, can't flirt (too logical) and fear rejection. Judging by some men who moan on here about having to start a conversation with the girl they like and calling her a feminist at any chance they get, i am happy to be single.
Men have to play the games and do the shit tests.
We are expected to be the initiator.
We are expected to pay and provide things.
Everything we say and do is scrutinized.
We are judged on not just looks, but job, finance, status, power, health, height, how we approach, what we say, etc.
Women simply need to be somewhat attractive.
All the other stuff is generally ignored as long as you are not fugly.
They both do. If the relationship works their both giving 100/100.
Someone who gets it.
Men have to have money, they have to pay for everything because males are always expected to have money and be this strong Ahipa male
Opinion owner... Your absolutely right about that. Not to many girls know that. I'm ( A) also , although not to many ( A) s available though.
Men, without a doubt. Well, those that give a fuck anyway. I personally put nothing extra in. I do what I would have done anyway, and if she wants to join me/likes my appearance/etc, great. If not, oh fuckin well.
for those examples, guys. But usually women have to introduce conversation and work things out
in reality i feel its a big chore for both men and ladies but in different ways, especially in the beginning. almost everyone wants to put there best foot forward to make the best possible impression. the sexes just do it in different ways
Both should, it's not a 50 / 50 thing to equal 100% if they want the relationship to succeed then each should put their 100% effort into keeping it fresh, alive and flourishing.
Why not both? If two people were on the same level, knew what they wanted in all aspects of life and have told each other how they felt why couldn't both of them go 100% all in?
You know it's the approaching more then dolling. Do you women know how much courage it takes a guy to go up to a group a girls that know they will be hit on and being successful? 🙄🙄
I think men maybe. For every girl there's usually a few guys to choose from if she's in shape and decent looking. But a guy has to fight to get one girl.
It depends, me personally I'm not going to fight for any girl.. If she's not immediately into me or having to chose between me and someone else, I'm not into her. I'm known girls to fight over one guy too, first her friend likes you, then she likes you, then all her friends like you... Like they just follow each other. But when it comes to dating I'd definitely say men usually put in more effort because we're usually expected to take the lead, which I enjoy.
I think that dating when you're young (teens, early twenties) is generally harder for the men. At some point later (30's, 40's?) things switch and it becomes harder for the women.
so have heard the tables turn because women age badly in their 30s and have to compete with women in their 20s
@Mrwoo99 -- not that women age badly at all (some do; some don't, just like men), but there are more complications.
* some women will date much older men; fewer men date much older women -- so the potential dating pool for a ~40yr old man is larger than for a ~40yr old woman.
* this factor gets accentuated with age as male mortality is greater (not as much an issue in 40s as 60s)
* it doesn't have to be this way, but in our society women bear a larger burden for caring for children. many women in their 30s and 40s have to juggle dating with family obligations. while men of that age do too (I did), it is less universal.
* (one of my wife's favorite points): young men tend to have sex drives that might make them accept an otherwise less-desirable mate in the interest of regular access to sex. younger men may be more inclined to tolerate manipulative or other behaviors that older men would reject. this subtly changes the balance of power across the dating population.
What happen is supply and demand.
As you approach 30's the pool of available men and women become smaller. Women do not like to date down for serious relationship so their dating pool is smaller. At the same time, women value is heavily tied to youth and beauty.
When a woman is 30 she loses 90% of her eggs by then. Birth complication/chance of congenital defect also increase each year. At same time, the men who have remain single at this stage have increased in value. They have status, and money and often seek out younger women. Thus, women have even smaller sample of men to deal with.
It also doesn't help women tend to look like young mothers by this time and lose a lot of their sex appeal. Thus dating become harder because they have a hard time attracting the men in this age group. Also factor in the drop in male libido post 30 and women need to come with more than just sex if they want a man to be interested.
@RustlingJimmies, women in their 30s and 40s may have lost their sex appeal to you -- at 20. Just wait a few decades, and you'll be amazed at how appealing they've become.
Many women also do not end up learning how to have a good personality, and hobby because men in their 20's were fine being with a somewhat boring girl if she was attractive. Come 30+ where men are now taking personality more and sex is less important and these women do not have the personality to keep these men interested.
In addition, the baggage. With age comes baggage. Women post 30 have tons of them whether it's kid or mental/emotional baggage that they tend to pass off to men. They also seem to lose their zest for life and become complacent whereas younger women are exited about the world more often because things are still new and fresh. Hence, another reason men go for younger women.
Lastly men aren't put on a count down timer to marry. Many women over 30+ tend to try to rush things to commitment very fast and men feel like their being rushed to marry them as quickly as possible.
Men age like wine, women age like milk.
@Mrwoo99 and @RustlingJimmies -- you guys seem to have something against women in their 30s and 40s, and presumably beyond. I suggest you reserve judgement on how much better men age than women until two things happen: first, you age; second, a woman you love ages.
Second, @RustlingJimmies -- nobody is forcing you to be attracted to or interested in any particular woman -- and they come in all shapes and sizes and with all different stories. Pick one that matches your tastes. Be careful, though, about pointing out someone else's baggage. Guys in middle age are also likely to have kids, be complacent, and come with baggage. With wisdom and experience comes reluctance to judge others.
I guess men in their 40s have much more options especially if they take care of their appearance, potentially earning more money now and have no kids they can always trade in a women in her 40s for a younger woman.
mallory16 I knew few guys who trade their wife for younger model. Women with age begin to be less fertile and start looking like men after 35, especially English women. Women's hormones increase in testostrone with age and start looking like guys, they look like guys with makeup on lol
@Mrwoo99 I'll have to be more observant on this one. The only exception is if a woman in her 40s has an athletic body and from the few that I see they look better than some girls in their 20s. Although rarely these good looking women in their 40s will be single
Where does the idea come from that men don't have to take care of their appearance? And why do people forget that most of the appearance-related maintenance of women is meant to impress other women.
Both. Women have to put in more effort on looking good and dressing good. Men have to put the effort in on getting the woman to agree to go out. And lets face it women have much higher standards then the average man.
There are 70 of the dumbest human beings I have ever met at time of my vote. Lol... women can CHARGE for sex. If that isn't a massive elephant in the "women have it easier" debate then I don't know what is.
Fascinating, isn't it?
@lacorine197 blows my fuckin mind.
I can't believe women think they have it harder, I honestly cannot
With the added disclaimer that if they're not very ugly, me neither.
ahahahah
@RedVulcan bro.. there's always desperate guys out there.. WHAT THE FUCK?
In dating it's men hands down, women pick and chooses and men have to appeal to women, hence all those voting women are delusional.
Men are on top in many ways, but NOT in dating.
is this a serious question? guys approach, pay for the first 3 dates, event coordinate most of every other date that follows, have to work like a dog when the wife gets pregnant, etc
Exactly
Not that being a mom is easy or anything, or that make up is a beginners deed...
but they can get away without it, men on the other hand...
amen to you brother
Men, without a doubt. If a woman is not right at dating, she is shy or doesn't know how to kiss, she can get a man, but a man with some of these shortages has a very very little chance to get a woman.
Men may pay for much of a dating situation but a girl who actually likes a guy puts far more emotional effort into fostering a relationship
Most girls put their make up on and make their selves look good without having a boyfriend
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