My boyfriend asked me to choose between him or my religion, what should I do?
The way I see it is even if he converts to islam then you are rejected by your family anyway. (Right?). If he moved to a Muslim country he would be pretty much forced to convert because he is (would be) married to a Muslim wife. (Right?) If you become a Christian as he is asking you to, then you lose your family for a husband. (Right?)
I guess the question is, how much do you love him? How much do you love your family? Who is it that you can live without? You have to realize that you are just as much a part of your current dilemma as he is. Both of you are from unyielding backgrounds in a religious sense. Pretty sure that both of you had to have been aware of this beforehand. Both of your religions clearly state in the bible and the quran that you aren't to marry non-believers, you knew that didn't you?
You say that you don't believe Jesus existed, is that correct? Yet there are more writings in all of antiquity specifically mentioning the person of Jesus. There are far more mentioning Jesus than there are your own prophet. The only reason I know these facts is that I struggled as an agnostic person, who was searching for what I believed. My just boyfriend at the time was a Christian, I didn't have the extremes that you do, but I wanted to be on the same wavelength religiously so to speak as he is. I couldn't get over the whole Jesus was he a real person or not. I didn't know where to begin, then talking to a pastor at another church he made a suggestion; why reinvent the wheel? What do you mean? He suggested that if he could show another atheist/agnostic persons journey to find the truth for their self, would that help you get started? He showed me a book by author Lee Stroble, who was a newspaper writer, following court cases as an investigative reporter. His approach would be a very analytical investigation Of the facts, he would interview only the foremost people in their fields, archeology, ancient history,,,, His investigation convinced him (and me too!) that the whole story of Jesus is real enough that him as a person existing would stand up in a court of law, there is that much evidence of the existence of a man called Jesus Christ. After he established that for himself he then worked through the claims made by Jesus. For himself (and me) he concludes that Jesus Christ was one of three things which he could only be one, a liar, a lunatic or who he said he was.
"The Case for Christ" Lee Stroble (is there a Muslim apologist like That?)
What I mean, is there a Muslim apologist who can help you through this without throwing one of you under the bus? If you are considering staying together, someone will likely have to compromise on their position, (right?). I wasn't trying to come off sounding all negative in the first paragraph, I was being blunt. With bluntness from both sides, not just yours or his, this is pretty much exactly why some parents involved in any kind of religious faith caution their children from early teenage dating years, not to get all caught with someone who is not of their brand of faith. truly I'm sad for you, sweetie you are just stuck in the middle!! I don't know, where or how to tell you to turn. My last paragraph is how I worked out my own questions of my potential mate's faith, I hope you can find something like that which will help you through the dilemma you're facing.
i know jesus existed but not by the name jesus.. but by another name.. Jesus/ Isa is one of the prophet in Islam...
but my point is i will find a way to make things work as if i choose my boyfriend i will lose my family and if i choose my family i will lose my boyfriend and im not ready and never ready to lose both... I understand what u said... and thank you for the explanation... maybe this is one of God's test for me... i have to keep calm and pray harder...
what im not happy is that im not exxagerating following islam... im a flexible muslim.. but just my faith is with Allah not Jesus... but like tmost of the population in this world im not too abide by islam rule so what else he want me to do? i just follow islam the basic rule... sometimes i didn't wear my hijab also.. so i didn't see any problem in our relationship
Choose your religion. Forgive me if this is wrong, but I'm guessing you are Muslim? Islam is no more evil than any other religion. There are some bad men twisting it and using it in a very bad way, but people, sadly, will always do that with religion.
Your religion at its core it peaceful and beautiful, as well as a part of you since you were raised in it. If he can't accept your religion, he can't accept you.
This is coming from a girl raised to be Catholic: choose your religion. If your boyfriend can't see past the dark veil of misconceptions and listen to you about your own religion then it's best to end it.
Never change anything about yourself unless it makes you happy. Not your religion or hair or clothes or job or anything. Find a man who loves all of you and wouldn't change you for the world.
thank you so. much for the exact reply.. i really appreciate it.. true what u said.. i guess he's just testing me if i can convert... because i know he can't lose me.. im too precious for him..
No matter what you do, I hope you do what makes you happy. I read some of your other replies. You never tried to convert him. Despite what your religion may say on the matter, it sounds like you've stayed respectful to his religion. I think he needs to do the same to yours.
And it's okay if you don't want wanna, but can I message you questions about your religion? I'd like to hear the answers from a someone who practices Islam and not just people who /thinks/ they know the religion.
Can I ask what your religion is? But whatever it is, he has no right to give you such ultimatum. You have a right to believe whatever you want to, and no one can force you to do otherwhise. Someone like that it's not worth it. He sounds like a dictator to me. I'm sorry, this situation must hurt like hell, but you will be better off on your own. But same principle applies to your family. You shouldn't loose them because you leave your religion. If they drift appart because they don't think your boyfriend should give you this ultimatum, they are doing it because they care about you. But not because of the religion thing, that would be wrong as well. This is YOUR life and no one elses. Take control and make your OWN decisions. And the consequences of living your life as you want to are the only ones worth having.
yea that's true.. thank you.. i ao much appreciate what u said.. i should wake. up and make my own decision.. i guess im scared because i saw many people at last comes to family for. helo
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im a muslim and he's a Christian
If I really love that person, I wouldn’t change my religion. For me, God is much more important. If a person really loves me, then he would respect my beliefs and I would respect his in return without any of us changing his/her religion. If two people are willing to bond, love should be the priority.
Getting married is about loving and being supportive to each other. Regarding changing religion there should be room to compromise if it’s pure love. Do you want to be with a man who's love is conditional?
1. Some people need to condemn other religions to feel good about their own choice. Muslims do that, Christians do that. However, faithful Muslims and faithful Christians do not go around condemning other people. You should question his devotion to his religion. Some Christians are hateful people but they did not learn anything about hate in the Bible.
2. He is not discussing this with you to find a mutually acceptable solution; he is telling you what to do. Dating gives you a foretaste of what a relationship will be like if you make it permanent. This guy is not looking for an equal partner; he is looking for someone to subjugate to his control. Would you want a marriage with a husband who tells you what you can and cannot do?
3. If you found a way to stay with this guy and you were eventually married, how would you resolve all of the problems and conflicts you would have about children, observance of religious holidays, etc.
4. Sometimes, life does not give us great choices. Sometimes, the choices are simply awful. That is part of the reality of becoming an adult and living an adult life.
5. Think about what your life will be like 5 or 10 years from now, looking back at March, 2017 and the choice you had to make. Is there one choice that will make you proud of how you conducted yourself? Is there a choice that you would continue to question and probably regret?
I think you know what you need to do. I wish you good luck with this horrible situation. After it is over, learn a lesson from this experience so that you will be a stronger and wiser person. If you are a serious person who dates to find a mate for marriage, there is no reason to ever date someone who doesn't meet the minimum qualifications. For you, that includes his religion. Think about other qualifications for your potential mate and be aware of them. If you are looking for a husband, why date someone who could never be your husband.
Feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss this in private.
nicely done :)
@AriadneSky Thank you, madame!
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If he's a Christian and you're a Muslim, he shouldn't be dating you, and you shouldn't be dating him.
If you convert on your own that's fine, but matters of faith are way more important than romance.
As a Christian, I wish everyone was a Christian, but any conversion for the sake of romance is built on shaky ground.
End this romance immediately.
May you be led in all truth concerning this matter.
Amen. MAy i be led to the truth. Thanks
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You should choose whichever/whomever you love the most. Personally speaking, I'd despise it if my S. O tried to throw me such an ultimatum, but that's just me.
indeed.. i was angry but being angry and fight with him doesn't and won't solve anything. so i remain calm and try to understand and talk to him.. it worked...
im a muslim and he's a Christian
My opinion is for u to look at what is your goal in life if u are a muslim and u really belive in islam so follow what ur religion is saying, imagine life as if u are going to a destination yeah and your future husband is the one that has the same destination with u if he loves u enough he would change for u.
And from a muslim to another muslim i would tell u that stick to ur goal give him dawah if he accept it than good for u if not then move on and also give it two rakaat at night and ask god for guidance (from experience) u'll get better and also remember that allah guids whom he wills and not u. I had a similar experience as urs wallah the day you are going to see the person that god has written for you, u will be gratefull until the last day of ur life make a lot of dua and ill make dua for u aswell
thank you so much but I believe that I should follow my heart and maybe this is one of the result of my prayer to god so God is testing me now and I don't think I will give up because at the end I don't want to regret because I give up and not fighting for this... and I will follow what you said and thank you for the prayer as well
how am i gonna regret?
@JamesCX thats why i won't leave him because of religion.. Cause my heart wants him.. and i will fight till the end. i won't just give in or give up... This happen just to test me i gues...
Realistically it comes down to a choice you have to make based on which factor you think is most important. I don't think your boyfriend is going about addressing issues he has with your faith in the best way, but he could just be ignorant. Religion to me used to be a huge factor in my life, especially in regards to dating and relationships, but as I grew older, this became less of an issue. Do what makes you most happy.
im happy with him... but i can't lose my religion as well
It seems as though your boyfriend isn't intelligent enough to know that religion isn't evil, people are, and can be from any religion. But beyond that, making ultimatums is never good for relationships. Your boyfriend needs some education.
Out of curiosity, what is your religion?
i agree with you..
im a flexible muslim and he's a devoted christian
Being flexible is fine, just don't turn a blind eye to possible ignorance. an ultimatum like his would be a red flag to me.
i know but me and him already 3years and he's a good guy and he will be a good husband and dad.. tahts why im not giving up until when i know its time to give up
Has his issue with your religion just come up after three years?
yes... started like a month ago.. before this we were fine..
Is it from political comments he's heard? Some other event? I'd be interested to ask him what suddenly changed and get him to recognize you are the same person, why isn't he?
both... political, events, riots, ex muslim , .. i know right? he said he said all based on fact..
Sounds like he's referring to "alternative facts. He needs an education on real facts.
yes indeed.. so now im trying to fins 1 religious guy that can answer all his questions... I just want him to see clearer picture about Islam...
True love does not give ultimatums EVER !. Your choice or beliefs are yours and is your decision alone to choose what you desire. Never should anybody put such an emphasis to give up something special to retain what you already have. You were the person already set before he even was a thought or consideration so if he will not all the sudden not respect a part of you then what else will he try for you to dishonor who you are. Nobody is that important enough for you to give up what is already apart of you.
A real lover would respect you for all you are.
I would give him the ultimatum to either accept me or kick rocks.
This is a very poor character defect on his part. I would doubt he would stop trying to control you at just your religious beliefs. RED FLAG !
If he really loved you he wouldn't make you choose. Faith is such a personal thing; giving up your religion isn't a simple thing. It's taking away a good many parts of your culture, your values and your comfort.
I understand there are some controversial aspects of it, but could you discuss with him which parts he finds evil so you can share your view and feelings. It's easy for outsiders to look in and make judgements but the reality can be quite different.
If you are happy, safe and feel like you have a voice with your family and religion then he being very short sighted in his opinions and looking at a bigger picture then applying it only to you.
I hope you're able to figure it out xo
See, I wouldn't bother asking my significant other to choose between either one. She believes in God, I believe in... I'm pagan...
anyways, if he's throwing this curveball your way, I suggest you stick with your own religion. A lot of the evils based in your religion are rooted by extremists. Hell, if people followed the Christian bible word for word, I'm sure a lot of them would see asmodeus or even beelzebub after death. It's pretty twisted there too. No religion is perfect, but if he has this stubborn idea that his religion is superior over your own values, I'd say not worth it. How long have you been together?
look he should never make you choose if he loves you because love is all that matters. and how dare he says that your religion is evil what religion is he? and what religion are you? because if he says he is a Christian you can say rhe same about his also. but if i were you i would choose my religion and family cause you will find somebody who will accept you as you are
yes he's a Christian. and im a muslim... yes he's being so arrogant and selfish but all settled for now.. we talk and he seems like he's okay for now... he even say about marriage..
well i feel like marriage shouldn't even be an option because who to say his mind has changed. i knownthat you are a very bright, brilliant, and gorgeous girl but you shouldn't marry a guy who gave you an ultimatum like this.
i know that but now he seems like he take back about make me choose ( for now i guess)... i dont know what should i do cause i really love him and i dont wanna lose him or my religion or my family
sounds like you are in a very tight life altering situation. but just in case this or anthing like this come up you will have to make that decisions ether him or your family. but i really hope that you dont have to.
i hope so as well.. but my parents won't accept him because of his race.. and im jeopardizing my family here and he's asking me to choose that's really unfair.. but i won't leave him cause i dont wanna regret later... if he leave me at least i can say he left me because he's scared..
Love is a strong thing thay you can't just get over. the last thing i want is for you to be stressed out about this i can tell by your answers that you think about this a lot dont you
yes of course cause this is my life and my future... what else can i do.. its not fair for me..
i am sorry to say there isn't anything else you can do to be honest. life will throw you a curve ball everyonce in a while. and this is your curve ball. even though we dont know each other it makes me sad that your sad
thank you for the understanding... i. believe God put me here like. this for a reason... to test me.. i know within my heart that he's the right guy for. me..
no problem. i hope that everything works out for you and your boyfriend
I know what I like, and what works for me, and I simply call it my "Way" as it is NOT an organized religion (can't follow all their nonsense!!!)
I pick and choose the things that make sense to me, as I meet people, and live my life. I don't know if there is "ONE WAY" that is "TRUE", and I think that each person should CHOOSE what they think it right, and what works for them, and helps them, when they need that.
I am VERY 'Spiritual' but not 'Religious' in the traditional sense of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Tao, Hinduism, or many others.
Meeting new people is an opportunity to learn what they like, and what works, for them, and maybe I like some parts of their 'Way'.
I could NEVER, EVER be with someone that said I was 'WRONG' and tried to 'convert' me!!!
Dump this guy, and find someone that respects you!
I would say that he's actually following his faith on this issue. According to most modern day religions, people aren't supposed to marry people from other faiths. As long as he's not being hypocritical about other parts of his religion, then I really don't have a problem with him standing by this one aspect of his religion.
If this is an incompatibility where neither one of you were willing to budge and your relationship should end. While neither you are required change for the other, religious backgrounds are a huge deal to people in relationships. No one wants to think that their spouse is going to end up in Hell or that he needs children they have will end up going to hell as result of their spouse having another religion. So what he is asking of you is a huge deal it's not unreasonable for this to be a deal-breaker for him.
Say goodbye to him. I get having different beliefs/religions and how it can come between two people sometimes but if someone loves you, they don't ask you to choose. They accept you for who you are and what you believe in. He wants you to change, and if you do it for him, you'll end up not happy in the long run, may even resent him for it down the road because you're not being your true self.
You didn't state what your religion is, but for me, my religion is Christianity. I believe that's the only correct religion (maybe the Jews get a pass also because they follow the same god, and they're the chosen people), and all other religions are deceptions that eventually lead to hell. If Christianity is your religion, you should not give it up for a man. After all, he will only be around for a lifetime, but eternity in either heaven or hell is something to consider.
Oke I personally hate story where people get seperatet because of religion and I'm not a religious , so I would probably choose him. But you said he is christ and you're muslim.
Well yeah... If he forces you to change your believes, than he is not worth it
He's an idiot.
god is present is many religions. It's not like one religion is right and the others are all dead wrong. It just so happens that one of the religions is the "most" correct.
I agree with you... He should be respecting my religion...
nonsense
@00ellis alright dude. What's with the hostility. You are not scaring anyone hiding out in this gag account man. Go away and let the adults talk.
Why would you even consider losing your family over an ultimatum about religion?
Choose your family.
Boyfriends come and go.
Out of curiosity how long have you dated before this question came up?
Have you asked him to show you some of the videos he's watched?
we r friends for a year before started dating for 2 years now...
and yes he showed me all the videos he watched and he shares all with me
Did you agree with what he said about your religion? Did you agree with the content of the videos?
i disagree because that's not true.. some maybe yes because of the believer itself not the religion..
I see. So its taken him 2 years to get round to this way of thinking?
It seems odd to me.
what do you mean by that?
she said at first he didn't plan to love me this much and it happened and it's too late to turn back so we just decide to go with the flow
*he said
You've known each other for 3 years and dated for 2.
Now he is telling you that your religion is evil and you must choose between him or your religion. This has come up after 2 years of dating? Has he ever given you this ultimatum before? I mean, why now?
i know right? i dont know.. because he suddenly watch lots of videos n such...
i can't lose him.. what should i do
Can you lose your family?
Are you discussing marriage?
yes we a approaching marriage that's why he ask me to choose... but how can i lose my family... i can't
Does your boyfriend understand that it means losing your family?
Is he prepared to deal with the consquences of that?
that idiot doesn't know i guess.. who is he to ask me to convert n lose my family... i don't know.. im sad n confuse
I think this is a tough because you are risking a lot whichever option you choose.
I would keep talking it out with him and telling him everything you think and feel about the situation because its not a black and white decision to make. Its based solely on him watching some videos. You can't make a choice like that because he watched some videos and decided this is how it is. Talk it out and see if you can find a compromise somewhere.
yes. true.. true what u said... but he dont understand that.. he said hw read the quran translation and its all evil and violent and all the bad one inside...
but as u said i will have to talk to him but we r in long distance relationship now so. its difficult
Thing is, apparently, she'd lose her family regardless if she stays with him, even if he were to convert to Islam, because her family aren't prepared to accept her being with a Black guy. So there's a whole heap of absolutist judgmental discrimination on both sides. Should she choose her family, and accept their racially discriminatory demands to break up with her boyfriend because he's black? Or should she choose her boyfriend, accepting his religiously discriminatory demand to ditch her faith because she's Muslim, and be ostracized by her family for doing so?
Simple really... if religion sacrifice is required, then both should do it. Why one religion should be sacrificed over another and why only one required to sacrificed and not the other? See if HE is willing to sacrifice HIS religion for you as well, otherwise this 'whose religion is better bullshyt' will never end. Also love is all about fairness and neutrality but people tend to forget, Respect is part of love. Unless you know how it feels, you can't decide for the other until experienced
Love is not all about fairness and neutrality. This is an issue about compatibility. Well he is asking a lot it's not unreasonable either. Nor would it be unreasonable of her to refuse. Sometimes couples are just incompatible, and it's no one's fault.
im not asking her to refuse but some come into the light when put in the other's shoes. I dont presume I know exactly what love is in all its glory but at least we can predict when something isn't fairr. In this context, love is indeed about fairness and neutrality... or my term for 'compatibility' but if we use that word we presume to know the relationship overall because it encompasses not just religion but how they relate to each other which feels like we are presuming a lot about the relationship. I just wanted to focus on the religion aspect
If his religion won't let him marry outside that religion, them it is a compatibility issue.
To be honest her religion says she isn't supposed to marry outside of her religion either. So she told him he would have to convert it eould still just be a compatibility issue. Everyone has their deal breakers, and apparently this is one of his.
let me guess. he´s a muslim? xD if he can´t love you despite the different religion, then fuck him. he´s not worth your love.
why will you lose all your family, if you choose him though and why is religion so important to you?
im a muslim n he's a Christian
oh yeah of course. this explains why you´d lose your family, not him xD christian families are usually not that extreme when it comes to that.
i guess having a talk with your family about it wouldn´t help, would it? and i mean after all it´s just lip service right? so maybe he can just pretend in order to satisfy your family? xD
yes to what you said it wouldn't matter if I talk to my family because it's bad enough that he's a black guy and his not a Muslim so yeah that's a deal breaker...
i don't know why but i believe in him.. he won't just leave me like that and i won't either so maybe this is just God's test on us..
i mean islam and christ believe in the same god so it´s pretty stupid -.- it´s just the "messiah" which they don´t agree on.
i know right? i knew since long time ago that Islam is the same like Christian.. but he was like no no Islam is evil n violent.. he read quran translation and misinterpreted things..
i mean islam is evil and violent xD but so is christianity. specially if you look at the old testament. both books have pretty evil passages but both religions are pretty good at denying that.
i know rigjt? so he has no right to ne saying anytjing
Choose one: Boyfriends come and go. Your family is your only family.
nice said
I have intentionally left religion out of the decision. There is no convincing argument for one religion over the other. Besides religion is more about the culture you have known since birth and have connected with. In life, family is so important. . . you don't need to live your life for them, rather with them. Family will help you when no one else will.
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yes i so agree with you... religion matter should not be discussed..
1. No religion is evil !!
2. Your boyfriend is either an asshole or he is trying to be one.
3. You should be applying your mind first as it may come out as a bitter truth.. but you need to think it yourself.. no one does thst for you at all!!
4. CHOOSE YOUR RELIGION.. coz this is what u been practicing for so long... n one fine day a jerk comes n decides ur religion is evil? Think about it b4 u even ask others!
You may want to unlike my post but that's the bitter truth.. he is a jerk!
He is an idiot unless your religion is something like Scientology which I would stay very very far away from.
There are nasty religions out there. I can count only 4-5 religion that is actually worth having: Catholic (the one with only 1 Pope, not the ones with a bunch), Ancestors worship, Judaism (some but not all), Taoism (some parts) and probably some Folk religions.
im a muslim and he's a christian...
i never do anything to burden him because of my religion or such... so i dont see any problem with me but he was like i never want to teach our children islam. Im the head of the house and i will decide what religion bla bla... Nonsense
Meh, probably some Angelica or Anabaptist or something amount the mess calling itself Christianity. Stay away from him. Find a guy with free religion and don't put religion on him. As long as you let him know the rules you have to follow then he would be okay.
The only Christian I think worth looking into would be Catholic. The one with 1 Pope. They were pretty nasty back in the 16th century but they are okay nowadays. Not zealots and ignorant.
Islam has a bad rap because of radicals and it stills have too many old practice that needs changing. I wouldn't recommend mixing it with those Angelica cause they can get pretty nasty.
ermm i see.. ur opinion is different from others... ur reason is unique
i think that's unfair to suggest that a religion is evil. all religions have good a positive messages. it's up to subscriber to that religion to choose to follow tenets that are "evil". so it's nice that he's concerned about you but he should judge you for you and not the religion you follow.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that based on his reaction that you're a Muslim. Hate to break it to you, but Islam isn't compatible with any other values. That's why you always see Muslims rioting, demanding special treatment, etc. Only you can choose to leave that "religion". It shouldn't be because your boyfriend asked you to, it should be because you want to. If you wish to remain, cut him loose so he can move on and be happy.
I'm guessing he's not cool with the way Islam treats women. I couldn't date a Muslim who wouldn't walk away enough to enjoy our life together either.
im a virgin before i met him.. what else does he want from me? im willing to sacrifice my family as in marry him although i will be disown... whay else does he want me to do?
Wake up to your happy and that is a no go with your family. He's concerned that's all.
he's concern about what
Your going to be disowned for your choice. if you were not protected by Western law how would your family be reacting? Could it go so far as honor killing yes it could so he is concerned.
Um-run-don't walk away! This has major control issues written all over it. He should at least be tolerant and respectful of your religion in the same way it seems you're tolerant of his. Tell him that if he can't accept all of you-including your religious beliefs-to take his crusade mission elsewhere.
He should respect your choice of religion, ideology or philosophy. If he cannot do that, he probably is not very good person for you. If he does not accept your identity and what's in your heart and mind, he does not accept you. But don't leave him quite yet, speak with him first about this.
But do you want to keep your religion because you believe in its teachings (it is a good reason to keep it) or because it is expected from you by your family (it is not a good reason)? Whatever you choose, you should choose it because of yourself, not for someone else.
1. Do you know for sure that you would lose someone because of that choice?
2. Is that what your boyfriend found out, true? Internet is filled with biased crap.
Choose what you feel in your heart correct. If your religion makes sense to you and it's what you choose to believe then choose it. Boyfriends will come and go but your region is a part of you, it creates part of your judgement, it's a really important part of you. If your boyfriend makes you happy and you truly think that he's the one, your one true love then choose him. Choose which one you value the most.
What are you religions?
Honestly I think all religions are evil (without intending to be). And this is one of the reasons why. Most likely both religions are completely wrong. But lets not get into that.
Unless you want to marry him, and he puts a ring on your finger, you shouldn't even consider changing religions. Especially if you find religion important to you. It isn't that easy to convert, and unless he is proving his commitment, it isn't worth considering.
I think you should tell him how you feel, that you're fine with not following some of your religions rules/guidelines in everyday life BUT you don't want to lose your family either. So basically let's say you were muslim you wouldn't wear your hijab when you were out together but you would wear it to situations where your family is present.
It's easy as 1 2 3 you choose the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior, It's your salvation that's everything for you. You were put on this Earth by God. There is millions of guys out there your boyfriend can't save you. If you believe the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross to save you from your sins and you accept him as your personal Lord and savior he will allow you to live forever in heaven once your time is up on earth
thats the problem cause i dont beleive that. Jesus exist do exist. and yes we were all created by God and the mystery to everyone is whos the real God
I'm going to tag my friend @SunnyCaliGirl she can add some words here
u can pick up the Holy Quran and try read that as well
thats good
He is being vert selfish if he's asking you to leave something that is very important to you and your faith is what build you before he even came around, I would say he is not accepting you for who you really are and he dose not really truly love you if he can't accept every aspect about you, I am sorry but this is the truth, if he really loved you he would accept you and your faith that is a part of you if he really loved you. Also don't go by what he says go by what the Bible says about relationships and go find a relationship that is healthier, and I mean by that someone that will accept you for you, consult your heavenly father through prayer and talk to your pastor about it.
@SunnyCaliGirl thank you so much for the advise... i really appreciate it...
@SunnyCaliGirl very well said
Thank you and it's s true.
Obviously that will always be a point of tension.
If your religion means a lot to you, you and him are probably not a good match
Give him up. There are plenty of fish in the sea, and one day you will find that man who loves you for you, no matter what your religion is. It is none of his buisness to judge what you believe in. Please. Dump him. You will be making the right choice.
dump his ass, if a guy tries changing you over religion he's not meant for you! I am Catholic I am a decently strong Catholic but can't stand people who try forcing religion on anyone! number 1 I have a bunch of atheist friends! number 2 I could be friends with a satanic person if they didn't do any of the stuff anywhere near me! I don't care, he's not meant for you
If somebody loves you they will accept all your flaws, this to me is not true love, I also have a different religion from my man but he never asked me to change because he accepted it, even thought I'm Muslim, he is Christian, we respect each others religion and we never even argued about this, actually we talk a lot about each others religion to learn from one another, he also wishes happy Ramadam to my family and I wish marry Christmass to his family.. and this is how things should work.
yes i know.. at 1st we were like. this.. he respect my religion and i respect his.. i even love Christmas so much.. but lately like a month ago he started to be like this.. i dont know why suddenly...
we started out just like you and ur boyfriend
We're together for 3 years now and it's still not an issue, you should talk about it with him, tell him that usually Media makes a mess about everything, it's not fair for him to set such an ultimatum, as if you would be BAD and if you pick him what will change according to him?
Just have a deep and direct conversation with him..
Hope he will find his brain again because he is stupid for putting you in this situation.
yes i agree he can be an idiot sometimes cause he's think he knows everything and i know nothing.. he's being ego selfish and ignorant
Looks like he has no Idea and doesn't know Tish, sorry but he seems dumb to me, TALK TO HIM and don't be scared to state your mind,
yes.. he's too ignorant despite his old age.. i am talking to him now.. discussing again but i feel like slapping him becase of he's too proud of himself
Sweetheart, I hate to say this, but I don't think this is a healthy relationship...
i quarterly or maybe halfly think so as well.. ohh i dont know what to do.. lets just see how.
i dont know your faith
but forcing someone to change his faith
and looking down on their believes is the biggest sin of all time
im a muslim and he's a christian... im a flexible. muslim and he's a devoted Christian
dont do or change yourself for him but for yourself
the most i can be is a flexible muslim.. i can never convert to other religion.. i can accept his religion why he can't accept mine.. and i never bother him with my religion
didn't u ever ask yourself why islam dont allow muslim women to marry non muslim men
@Piluex misconception
There is no compulsion in religion
Al-Baqra Verse No:256
indeed.. I wish he can open his eyes and mind and accept what other people said..
he sees himself right all the way u can't fix that
You don't get everything you wanted in life.
But in your case I'd suggest you choose your family. If your boyfriend forces you to choose something like that, he isn't worth it.
If someone gives you an ultimatum like that they don't really love you. Leave him.
Thing is though, she's also saying that "I will lose my family if i choose him, even if he converts to Islam and I wanna marry him, I will still lose my family cause my family don't want a black guy... so either way I will lose my family". So she's already effectively got an ultimatum like that from her family as well, and that ultimatum makes it sound as though they don't love her either.
What a controlling jerk, move on and you'll soon find someone who is more compatible to your views, opinions and religious beliefs.
Sending you Love, Hugs and Good Luck for your future happiness. x
Giving up your religion is giving up a part of yourself: what you believe, value, and how to you see the world.
Is he really worth giving up that big a part of yourself?
true what u said... i think i know what to do now
thanks by the way
I've been going through the same conundrum. You're welcome.
what did u do when u going through things like this?
Haha, going through is the key words*
I haven't finished yet... If you want to message me, that'd be awesome.
If he's not happy with who you are then he doesn't love you. At first it may be just religion but who's to say he will stop there?
Two people of different religions can love each other as long as they accept each other for who they are and the choices that they make.
Choose your religion. I don't care what you believe - only a terrible person would ask you to give up your religion for the.
If his giving you ultimatums already what will your whole reletionship be like full of demands if he can't accept your religion it means he hasn't accepted you as he knew you was muslim when you got with him its your choice but i know what i would do i would want to keep my family because your boyfriend can leave you anytime he wants too but family dont they will always there for you
Choose your beliefs. Beliefs rarely change relationships do. You will find someonethat shares your beliefs and life will be easier.
You know how women are always told, "you can't change a man"? The same goes for women too. Your beliefs won't change but you'll hide them. Resentment will build and you'll hate him. Also, a person that wants to change such a big part of who a person is is an asshole. Next he'll tell you "me or your job".
It would be very easy for me to suggest that you choose your religion, if it's Christianity. And if it's any OTHER religion, to choose your boyfriend. But YOU are going to have to figure out which is more important to you
im. a Muslim... and both are important to me..
Then I would ask what religion, if any, does your boyfriend have?
If he's a Christian, then I would strongly consider choosing HIM
he's s Christian yes... why would u say that?
Because, out of love, I'd seriously like to see as many souls saved as possible, and spend the next life in Heaven for all eternity. That's why
i see.. thans you :-)
You don't need to dumb him or something.. don't listen to this idiots.. Just look into his religion and compare it with yours and whatever you find is better religion join it
thats what im doing. Im a muslim and he's a christian and I've been comparing its just almost the same... Not exactly but almost.. But now he's being Mr Knows Everything
Can we talk in private more about it? It's important thing religion you know.. don't be Christian or something until you sure 100% you want and that's the correct thing because you know your boyfriend he might leave in future but religion will never leave you until the judgement day ) you are 25+ years old ) you are smart and mature ) your boyfriend might not be the other but islam it is and lets talk about it more in private conversation please
my advice choose your religion thats the only thing that will not change if truly have faith in it.. a man who doesn't understand and accept you for who you are is not worth it
yes i agree.. thank you
There are billions of guys but you only get one family, and if he loved you he wouldn't make you choose.
Any one that gives an ultimatum is not worth giving up what they ask you to give up.
i know right? thanks
@ak666 I agree.. cause now im really angry and i was like its okay if he want to leave me.. Meaning he gave up on me and didn't fight for us.. So let him be.
@JamesCX "If you don't do this, I'm going to leave you." That's just never a good way to approach a situation. It's coercive, manipulative, controlling, even when the intention behind it is good. It's just a very bad means to an end, and the end is usually worse than what it could have been with a less coercive tactic.
Even a slight change like, "I can't bear to see you do this. I'm leaving you." is already considerably better. It's no longer coercive and could potentially motivate the other person to change their ways far more effectively.
the question here is not how you phrase it, it's not semantics. true that you can approach it in different ways but at the end you reach the decision point.
And then, think about it this way;
you can see this as the observer, as the jumper and as the negotiator.
1. observer: the outcome won't affect me. Either way I'll just apply my own code of conduct.
2. jumper: this is my belief, I'll lose you and whoever need be for it.
3. negotiator: your belief will set you apart from me and those who don't follow your conduct.
Now it's a matter is choosing what's worth or not, just keep in mind that the negotiator is the one the went the extra mile, that put himself beyond reason, to reach for the jumper. decide. but don't ever say it's not worth it.
@JamesCX That's true, and I do think it's worth empathizing to some degree with the one giving the ultimatums. My perception is just that it's far more often than not a very misguided way of trying to control another person's behavior for the simple reason that it's typically ineffective.
As a basic example, I had an ex-girlfriend who once gave me an ultimatum that if I decided to hang out with my friends for a weekend, she'd leave me.
I ended up not only going to the friend's party but leaving her while she tried to take the ultimatum back. The ultimate reason I left her was because of the ultimatum itself. It actually had opposite of the intended outcome she desired.
Lacking the ultimatum, there was a chance she could have expressed why she didn't want me to go the party in ways I would have considered and might have avoided the party as a result. The ultimatum itself ended up being the reason I chose to leave her. It felt controlling and manipulative to me.
@JamesCX It was a very different type of case. For that one she actually gave me multiple ultimatums between spending time with her or my friends. I caved in several times, it was the 4th or 5th time that I refused and just decided to spend that weekend with friends.
There might be some legit cases where ultimatums could be a viable tactic to try to change a partner's behavior. More often than not, however, I think it's very misguided.
Even in noble cases like a girlfriend trying to give an ultimatum to make a boyfriend curb his drug habits, the boyfriend can get the perception: "If I give into the ultimatum, I'm submitting to her authority. Now she can threaten to leave me whenever she likes and control me that way."
There's somewhat of a rebellious thought typically that comes about in the process, even if the ultimatum was coming from an altruistic place. I think it's too often terribly misguided.
Fuck him... if he is asking you to choose him over your belief, he clearly doesn't truly care much. He should accept u for u. Its one thing to have conversations or "debates" but its another to actually give u an ultimatum
Follow ur heart
if sh should accept her for her than she should accept him for him. And he likes to make women choose between him or religion.
That's horrible advice. hahahahaha
He already knew of your religious beliefs when he got with you. If he thought it was evil then he shouldn't have became your boyfriend. If you still wanna be with him then you know you gotta give up your religion but if not then leave him
What do you mean choose him or your religion... Like officially convert? or just just not be so bold about it?
You can still be both, whatever issues he has about it... just keep those away from him
I might draw a conclusion if I know your and his religion,
Many religious leaders use this technique to increase their followers,.
Because it's not about about religion it's about their control they have over people in name of religion
Dump him. His request is completely unreasonable. Be more careful about your next boyfriend. Make sure you are compatible.
Your boyfriend is a controlling asshole. Leave him for Jesus. Also, your spelling and grammar is atrocious.
If you are a muslim it is illegal for you to marry a non muslim anyway, plus you would also be executed for apostasy should you decide to choose him instead.
Starting to understand what is wrong with your religion?
follow your heart but take your mind with you... I mean you can choose him but what's worth if he doesn't accept your religion
yeahh i know right.. thanks.. we discussed just now and he was saying about marriage.,..
he said he doesn't hate my religion but he hate the way it teaches violence.. so i told him there are scertain things that i dont like about that as well... he sounds reasonable just now... so i guess he's trying to open my mind and his mind
yes true,.. and dont mix ur emotion in the communication... thanks a lot my dear...
and this is why I'm not religious 😂
but seriously, if he can't love you regardless of your religion, what kind of love is that really? someone you love shouldn't put you in ultimatums like that, regardless of the issue.
u know what he said? For the Love i have in u because of Jesus that i urge u to come to the truth. come with me...
oh god he's a religious nut, sorry if I sound insensitive, I'm just not very religious😂
Personally, I wouldn't stay with him but that's only my opinion. I wouldn't stay with someone who knows how a decision like that would affect my life so drastically. while he may think he's "saving you" or something, but it's still a loss to you. there's no gain for you either way, so in that case, this is where I'd choose family over romantic partners and pursue those who respect my wishes
hahah understandable... but he changes like a month ago.. before he was fine.. and suddenly he's becoming like this
If you are a muslim you can't marry a christian guy. Islam forbids that. Nothing ever equals losing yourself nor your faith. What you think is love now may be nothing later after you already lost everything. Ask other girls how many times they were with a guy and thought he was the one. and after sometime they found he wasn't and they moved on and got with another guy. You are being a hypocrite by the way.
sounds like he's trying to control you, i'd leave him, if he loved you he would respect your religion.
I'm not a fan of religions but I think you should leave him. Your religion is not forcing you to make ultimatums like your boyfriend. It's clear enough :|
He should love you the way you are.
Never choose anyone who gives u an ultimatum about ANYTHING
They're crazy
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