What are your thoughts on an open relationship?
Its a horrible idea. A relationship requires not only work but commitment. So with an open relationship your basically saying that the relationship is difficult and instead of investing in it your going to run off and get your jollies some where else. You can't have a relationship without investment and biologically speaking, no matter what people may try to say, we are not built for open relationships. Sex releases a hormone in the brain called oxytocin which is responsible for feelings of closeness, happiness and is responsible, among other things, for social bonding. your using the very mechanism that brings you closer to your partner with random people you meet. The end result is it stops being intimate because your giving it to every one you fancy, it stops being an affective method of connection because again, your using it for every one, and it results in you creating a bond with some one else other then your partner (that's why people who have open relationships, swing, what have you, have long lists of rules one of which is a limitation on how many times you sleep with a particular partner because it will inevitably lead to emotional attachment). Then the fact that your brain will slowly be wired to encourage this behavior, of sleeping around so when you stop or have a limit places on you your going to feel withdrawal from this behavior (this has been shown to occur with porn addicts, it actually causes depression and in order to alleviate it they end up watching more porn which just deepens the neural pathways that are causing the problem to begin with. Also the more sexual partners you have the more likely you are to cheat/divorce/be unhappy in the relationship and its important to note that people who suffer from "nymphomania" actually report not enjoying sex because unsurprisingly they do it so often it is no longer special). Then you have the fact that if your missing something in your relationship then ignoring it isn't going to fix your relationship, its kind of like having a leaky roof and instead of fixing it or getting a roofer to do so you just go out and party, sure it feels nice and you stopped thinking about the issue but its still their nothing was done and the longer you wait the worse its going to get. Its hard to get data on this since open relationships are still frowned upon (and with good reason when you think about it) but most relationship specialist report a high failure rate in these relationships because of these things.
I would also point out how difficult it is to maintain a relationship as is, you add something like this to the mix and, well your asking for your relationship to be destroyed. Obviously at the end of the day its your choice but it doesn't seem like the wisest thing to do.
If you have an open relationship, aren't you and your boyfriend just agreeing to be FWB? The idea of a relationship is commitment and an open relationship is a contradiction of commitment. I understand that there is a small minority of people who claim that they can have a committed relationship and be polyamorous; I assume that if you were one of those people, you would not be asking that question.
If you are seriously contemplating this idea, consider these questions:
1. Is it possible that one of you really doesn't want an open relationship but will agree to it because they think the other alternative is to break up?
2. Will your boyfriend tell you about the sex he has with other girls? If he does, how will you feel when he tells you how beautiful her naked body is? How good it felt when he came inside her? If he doesn't tell you, why not? You are in a relationship and you aren't suppose to have secrets from each other.
3. What if he forms an attachment to another girl who is also "okay" with an open relationship and he decides to take her - instead of you - away for a long weekend vacation?
4. How will you feel if he says that he has fallen in love with someone else?
5. What if the other girl claims she is using BCP but is not and gets pregnant?
6. How will you feel if he says he wants to spend Christmas with her instead of you?
7. How will you feel if he says he doesn't have money to take you out for a nice dinner for your dating anniversary and you know that he just spent some money taking her out somewhere nice?
Some young people act like they are think they are supposed to act a certain way - cool, carefree, no strings attached, not clingy, be a "modern" girl - but all of that runs counter to their feelings. Here is what you need to understand: it is perfectly okay to want to have someone all to yourself, to not want to share him, and it is okay to expect a guy to have that same level of commitment to you. If he doesn't share your passion for being committed to each other, perhaps you need to face a harsh truth - he is not the right guy for you.
I hope this helps.
@Some young people act like they are think they are supposed to act a certain way - cool, carefree, no strings attached, not clingy, be a "modern" girl - but all of that runs counter to their feelings.
Precisely!
To me, open relationships = cheating openly and having no shame at all!
Sorry for just saying my mind :(
hi, straight off the bat and i know this will sound judgmental, take this openness between you as a great intuitive connection and a possibility and likeness of minds and keep that in your hearts as a major life gift to find a partner whom you can be this open with. then seal it away for a time of possibility in the far future years down the line when you have lived, loved and burned the bright lights of energy that are here now between you and perhaps later much later it will be there to enhance, energise, enliven what you two have evolved along the way. for a couple to take any steps into stepping outside the perimeter of just the two of you will take the upmost fundamental grounding two people could have... for it to work out at its best potential. that said you two could have some special connection that i would not dare to deny or begin to claim to understand, baby steps, discussions, fantasy, ideas, are a brilliant process but practise is another matter altogether xx i would like to have a more private chat on pm if you are interested xx
If both of you are open to at least try it, you can test it out to see if its doable. Believe or not, open relationships aren't as freeing as some people believe. There are still rules that come into play. for example, whats crossing the line, what isn't. Are you allowed to date other people? Are you allowed to have sex with others? Do you tell your partner when you are on a date?
It requires maturity, frequent communication and plenty of trust.
It's a good idea if you feel unsatisfied with manogomy, at least this way, seeing others won't be considered "cheating". Thats the only benefit I see from it.
It's a bad idea if you aren't 100% sure about it. If you and your partner are jealous people, if your relationship lacks communication & trust already. It could be challenging at first and it will really test your love for eachother. It's not easy.
My thoughts are that
1. It's not for me
2. A person who is monogamous in nature should not feel forced to abide to their partner's non-monogamous nature, I sometimes hear about such people who are sacrificing a big part of what they want in a relationship just because they don't want their partner to be unhappy (and vice versa - if you want different things just don't do it)
3. If you're the type to get jealous easily or who overthinks things, don't do it
4. It rarely seems to work out because people don't bother discussing rules and what to do/not do, where their boundaries are etc, so even if both people are on the same page technically, it's still likely that one of them will fuck up somehow and hurt the other person.
I find they're pointless and feelings will always get hurt. I am of the opinion of: don't share what you're not willing to lose.
So far it's been working out well for us
Well I'm glad it works for you, but I know many people who wouldn't be able to handle it. I'm one of those people.
Yeah. Most wouldn't. But my boyfriend and I have had a unique relationship from the start b
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It's a terrible idea. What's the even point of being with him/her then If you want to sleep with others?
I mean, if my guy ever suggested this. I would feel really hurt. It would make me he wants others because I'm not good enough for him... he doesn't love me etc.
I don't want to share my man, nor do I wish to sleep with someone else. It's gross. Even the thought of it, makes me feel disgusted.
For us it's opposite. We talked about this bexsuse we love each other and this is kind of the direction we want to go in our relationship. It won't be super crazy or anything or have multiple partners either
We want our relationship to be the same. still in love and still come home to each other. What we do want is to explore with a few, not many other people sexually.
Don't you get scared that he'll will develop feelings for someone else... in this process?
I mean, I know many people who develop feelings for someone they used to hook up with. One of my friends buddy was the sort of guy who just wantedto explore. He just wanted to have fun but he got attached to another girl eventually
Honestly I'm not that worried about it.
I'm more worried about how we will make this all work and planning things
Since it's new to me it's hard to figure out myself.
It was actually my idea and he did agree based on how we are in our relationship it's a good idea for us
We decided we wanted to go the direction of the open relationship and it's been good for us both.
that is so f*cking disgusting and gross in so many ways
1) i wouldn't wanna catch an STD
2) its like a blow to my pride and everything i stand for if the girl i love is out getting rammed by different guys every night
3) if i love someone and they love me, why not just have sex with them instead of with them and others?
4) making love is much more pleasurable than meaningless sex
5) there is truly no such a thing as 'open relationship', its just a bunch of idiots who want someone thats always there for them and also want to have their fun as well
6) I would never date a hoe so this would never apply to me, and im not a desperate punk so I would never treat a girl like that
I understand that there is basically no such a thing as morals in the world today, but you can't hook up with people and also have a bf/gf as your rock, can't have the best of both worlds, if you want a bf/gf then so be it, if you want to have sex and party every other night, then so be it, but you can't combine the two, unless your tiger woods and look wtf happened to him.
1) If you do research and know how to protect yourself, there's ways to minimize risk. You're more at risk being killed in a car accident.
2) You have self-esteem issues if your pride cannot allow you to be happy for your partner. That's just selfishness
3) Think of the person you love like your favourite food. You would get bored of it if you just had that food breakfast, lunch and dinner, day after day, year after year. By having variety, you don't take your favourite food or partner for granted.
4) No one said having sex with other partners is meaningless. That's like saying you can only have one best friend and the rest of your friendships with other is meaningless.
5) I don't know where you go this from. Would like some evidence to support this
6) This is just your opinion.
You can very much have the best of both world's if you know how to manage it and educate yourself about the different types of open relationships. Your post seems to be written with ignorance about the topic.
@AaronTupaz Have to agree with your points. I've been in open relationships for 5 years now and it's been quite successful for all my partners and I.
i think open relationships are a good idea. the most common reason for divorce that i know of is cheating, however, if each person in the relationship is allowed to step out every once in awhile i think its better for the relationship. its important to remember that sex and love are 2 different things. you can remain committed to someone and still have sex outside the relationship.
the problem with cheating is its a betrayal of the other person. the same can be said for breaking the rules of an open relationship. thats just betrayal outside of the social norms. and please dont confuse open relationships with polyamorous relationships. the difference there is that an open relationship still leaves the heart at home. where polyamory spreads the heart thin.
the same can be said for affairs. this is subjective but i think most people would agree that a rule in open relationships should be no continual relations. thats when you start messing with the love in the relationship.
anyway as long as both parties agree with the rules and are willing to follow the rules, get tested regularly, and trust each other i can't see any problem with open relationships.
if i missed something let me know. i think i covered all the bases.
"anyway as long as both parties agree with the rules and are willing to follow the rules, get tested regularly, and trust each other i can't see any problem with open relationships."
^^ ahah rlly?
I mean
Even if we hypothesize an arrangement in which both people are equally enthusiastic about, and totally on board with, ••everything•• about "rules" and such...
... you're still talking about "stepping out" with "no continual relations" (your own words)... which just about any woman can do effortlessly and on demand, unless she's disfigured or has ballooned up to the size of 2-3 normal women — but which only a tiny fraction of men (and virtually none above a certain age) can manage without a significant outlay of time, money and/or emotional investment.
(Whether the sex is any GOOD is another matter entirely... but that's not something for which most boys have much empathy)
So, IN PRACTICAL TERMS, in 99.95% of cases you're REALLY talking about a scenario in which Wifey can
fuck whomever she wants (... or several whomevers at the same time mmmmmm), while Hubby might **occasionally** score — more often than not with a woman who's expecting much more than just a fuck, and who could very well become a nuisance/liability to the marriage if she feels jilted — but will mostly just go without, while Wifey is out there "partying" with all dem boys.
I mean, srsly now.
The only way the two partners would have ANYWHERE NEAR equivalent probabilities of actually **finding** their bits of fun on the side, would be if the woman had let herself get so fat/sloppy/homely as to become an embarrassment to her husband, while he had stayed fit, trim, hot, and suave. And in that case... uhhm let's just say this is pretty much the worst possible way to address that issue.
Come ON dude. Reality. Is a thing.
The weird thing is, this is a blue comment. It's usually WOMEN who are totally clueless about how much harder it is for men (esp older men) to get no-strings sex.
@redeyemindtricks wow, very well put
@Anjellygirlyeah Thank you.
@redeyemindtricks I agree with everything that you wrote.
@Goodwifie... right?
Again, what's rlly surprising here is that this comment is blue.
I've occasionally had to school my **girlfriends** a bit, about just how much harder it is for boys to get casual sex (especially once they're legitimately "middle-aged" to random onlookers) ... but, it actually makes sense when WOMEN overestimate men's access to sex in general, since OUR experiences of men and sex mostly involve... y'know... men we've had sex with. <3
(Same reason why lots of boys vastly overestimate how much sex random women are having — because they're thinking mostly about women **they've** fucked, who, of course, are more likely to be the women who just fuck more in general.)
But, yeah, wat? The idea that a *dude* would assume that men and women, by default, are on a level playing field with respect to casual sex, is... uh... I'm actually super curious what's behind that assumption, because it's so crazy that there must be **some** whole crazy logic behind it.
y'all say that like one night stands aren't a thing. nor cheating wives or swingers or just amazing game.
anyway im not saying one person won't be fucking more than the other (which still isn't a definite) im saying that just because its an open relationship doesn't mean they dont love each other or aren't committed to one another.
Dude, by talking about "amazing game" you do realize you're supporting MY point, not yours, right?
The boys with "amazing game" are part of the tiny fraction of boys that I specifically mentioned. I didn't say that ZERO boys could pull this shit off, lol.
And even then — amazing game or not — we're talking about a **grown man who doesn't have his own place to bring women back to**. (He sure as hell ain't bringing these women HOME!) That is... uhhm let's just say "not attractive", and leave it there.
Sure some woman might invite him back to hers... but, that ain't likely. (Most women don't want a one-night-stand boy up in THEIR place.)
Swingers are a whole 'nother story, but, do realize that the **average** swinger couple is WELL into middle age. The whole landscape of emotion and desire surrounding sex is way, way different at that age (... if swingers were YOUR age, every party would devolve into violence pretty fucking fast).
i dont understand what this has to do with my main point.
an open relationship doesn't mean a non loving relationship.
thats all im really trying to get across. whether or not a guy can talk a woman into the sack is fairly irrelevant. all im saying is if he can ot doesn't mean he doesn't still love his wife/girlfriend/fiancee and visa versa.
Yr main point **AS ACTUALLY WRITTEN** is that open relationships are a GOOD PLAN, without major downsides (not that they "can't be loving", which is clearly a side point).
I mean... Go back and read yr own writing. " 'Open' 'relationships' WORK WELL" is the idea with which you both open AND close yr post.
Obviously, if you start AND end with exactly the same idea, then that's yr main thesis. Get real.
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Right now I think you're just trying to shift the goalposts and **pretend** yr main point was some little detail you threw in there... just because you don't want to admit yr REAL main point was so horribly off the mark.
In the extremely unlikely event that you rlly DID mean to write an argument about love / emotional investment... well, you sure fucked *that* up ahah.
@redeyemindtricks thats true i suppose you got me there. I have been known to shift topics to save arguments (something id like to rectify). You also have to realize im not psychologist or philosopher and wrote this off the dome.
However, just because a guy will probably have a harder time getting no attachment sex doesn't mean the relationship won't work if neither person is the jealous type. Not a guarenteed scenario but a plausible one.
And i reread what i wrote (albeit i read it late in my response), and love isn't much of a side bar. It basically states that love is what will allow an open relationship to continue to work in the first place.
Really bad idea. You can't have feelings for a guy while fucking the other and expect your boy not to feel a thing inside and still act like its OK while he bangs another chick and the same goes for you. Break up if you want to fuck around, stay faithful if you want love and someone to trust it's that easy. It's cheating, out front, in each others faces believe it or not it will have consequences on your relationship (big bad ones) but it always depends on the people. I personally couldn't do it because it breaks each and every "law" of a relationship xD pure and simple people that do this love the freedom to do what they want more than they love each other that means love no no fuck yes yes basically.
It is certainly better than cheating since both partners are at least aware and have agreed to each other's infidelity beforehand. But even then, the notion still disgusts me. I could never take another woman into my bed nor allow my partner to take another man into hers. Granted, I might let her sleep with other women. But she would owe me big time, and I mean really big time like performing a private pole dance for me or something. Otherwise the farthest I could probably ever go is watching porn together.
while i am hardwired for monogamy, i get that it's not for everyone; consensual nonmonogamy is a legit option for those who can't or won't commit.
2 types of consensually nonmonogamous relationships:
-open relationships (swinging, fwbs, etc.)
-polyamory (two or more people in love)
both polyamory and open relationships have one thing in common: a set of rules (as decided by everyone involved) to ensure that everyone is happy with the arrangement. violating the established rules=cheating.
as long as everyone involved is happy with the way things are, i say live and let live.
however
if you are in an established monogamous relationship and are thinking of making the shift to one of the above models, both of you must be on the same page in order for the new relationship to work.
also, if you are even the slightest bit insecure (about "losing" your partner to someone else), then
ABORT MISSION AND RELOAD LAST SAVE.
otherwise, you'll be unhappy af.
So here is the difference between open and poly.
Open means you will allow each other a sexual partner that is nothing more than a fuck buddy. So nothing relationship involved like cutesy text messages or meeting this persons family.
Poly is when you agree to bring another person into your relationship as a partner. They don't necessarily have to have sex with both of you, but it is understood there is a commitment with that person.
Keep talking about it, feel 100% sure and make sure if you go through with it, communication is always open. Last thing you want is for either of y'all to feel like you can't say anything with fear of being a buzzkill.
Not for me. If other people are able to make it work and the arrangement is fulfilling for both partners, that s great! But often there is one partner pushing for it and the other just agrees for the sake of keeping the relationship - that isn't healthy. It should be something that both partners want and you need to be 100% on the same page about where you draw boundaries. And you have to have a lot of trust and a solid sense of security for it to work, even if both partners are into the idea.
I just think it is not something that can work for most people. Some can. To each their own!
It's the only relationship I'm interested in. It's like children. You will love your first born. But when you have a second or third one, you don't suddenly stop loving the first child. You'll love each child each in their own unique way. And it's kind of like friends. Some friends will stay with you for life. Some will come and go, and some will come and go and come back again. Exclusive relationships are like eating your favourite food again and again, morning, breakfast and dinner. You would get bored of it eventually. With open relationships, you're getting variety and you never take your favourite food for granted, especially if know your partners are dating others. This encourages you to be your best self each time.
Why would I want to be with someone who will get sick of me?
@TuMeManques It's human nature for most people to seek variety. It's why so much marriages end up in divorce. And that's only the couples who actually had the courage to divorce. Many stay married due to religious reasons, children or pressure from family and society. Most honeymoon phases last up to 18 months, so chances are you'll find someone who will be in love with you like crazy in the beginning. But slowly most people start getting bored unless they get variety. It's just like food like I mentioned. There are cases where monogamous relationships work perfectly for them, but they are the exceptions.
"It's human nature for most people to seek variety. It's why so much marriages end up in divorce."
It's called being selfish.
@HandsomeGuy500 you can also argue that possessing one person for yourself is selfish, that being happy that your partner is with someone else who can satisfy them in ways you can't is unselfishness. I suggest you look up the word 'compression,' which means to love without jealousy. There are some species evolved for monogamy and some like humans for polygamy.
You're right about variety. We all want to have many sexual partners as it's one of the urges we humans have. For me tho a monogamous relationship can give me everything I want - a loving woman, that cares about me, shares the same interests, etc and etc. The only thing that a monogamous relationship can't provide me is different women to sleep with. For me a girlfriend, a wife, a fiance whatever is the most special person in the world. How can this person be the most special person if I want someone else to satisfy me sexually. It means they are not good enough since I need one more person. For a normal person if their partner tells them that they are not good enough - they feel miserable and rightly so but what do I know. to each their own.
And you can't compare a relationship that you have with your children to the relationship that you have with your partner. It's like saying that friendship and relationship is the same thing. The reason one person is your boyfriend or girlfriend instead of just a friend is because this person is special to you. The moment you start wanting another man or woman as well it makes them less special as it shows that they are not enough.
Who said anything about possessing somebody? The reason there is so much divorce and family breakdown is mostly down to selfishness. Some people think they have a right to be happy all the time, and if not then they have a right to get divorced. And don't confuse happiness with pleasure. They're not the same thing.
@craz88 There's no consistency with your line of thinking. If I replace your wordings of boyfriend and girlfriend with best friend, I'm sure you'll disagree with the sentence. You can have various best friends each with a different special connection with. You can love more than 1 person each in a special way. Of course it's fair to say you can't love 20 people in a special way due to lack of time, but most open relationships you only have 1-5 main primaries. I encourage you to look up the word 'compersion' which means to love someone without jealousy. To be able to accept that your partner will have needs and desires you cannot fulfill and letting them be with another person requires unselfishness and love. And it's so special to know that given 2 people who have lots of options, still choose to return to each again and again.
@HandsomeGuy500 Well I can tell you that there's lots of successful open relationships where couples are both always happy and have more pleasure. So it's quite clear, that while it's not perfect, it's a better system.
Also I am not completely opposed to monogamy. I believe humans can go beyond our instinctive nature if we really try. It's just like flying. Humans are not meant to fly, but we figured out how to create airplanes. So it's possible to be monogamous and be happy if we put in the effort. But just like flying, it's not our natural programming.
You're way of thinking comes from the brainwashing of the media. It's usually perverts who try to justify sleeping around. Maybe I'm just weird, but I've always prefered the idea of a life long manogamous relationship rather than multiple sex partners. It's the selfish people who are greedy and want to have their cake and eat it by sleeping around or having open relationships.
@HandsomeGuy500 I grew up in a religious family, so if anything I was brainwashed to believe in monogamy. I had to do my own independent studies, take a philosophy course in university about this subject, and a lot more studying to conclude that polyamorous was a better system for most people. So before you make assumptions that only perverts justify sleeping around, I suggest you challenge yourself to really learn the other perspective.
Is there people only in open relationships for selfish reasons? Absolutely. But you can usually tell which ones are selfish, when they don't allow their partners to be with others. Or even worst when they lie to their partners about being exclusive with them. Just know that there are genuine unselfish people in open relationships, who'll put their lives on the line for any of their primary partners.
Well most of the brainwashing takes place in universities and public schools, so it isn't terribly surprising that you believe the garbage that you do. Open relationships are for selfish people and perverts who want to have their cake and eat it. It's people like you that mess up families and children's lives. Sadly the world is full of people like you.
@HandsomeGuy500 Umm it's more like people like you who don't understand educate themselves about basic human evolutionary psychology who are more likely to end up in marriages that end up in divorce causing children to have separated parents. Statistics don't lie. People like me take the right precautions to not bring children in a dysfunctional relationship either by not having children at all, or making sure we end up with partners who share the same values us so children grow up in a loving environment.
Universities are a place of brainwashing just like a religion (is a place of brainwashing). All Universities usually teach material that is part of the right or the left never both. Most monogomous relationships fail because of personal differences, lack of trust, loss of attraction, etc. Very few relationships fail because of cheating or wanting someone else. Look it up I have no idea where you got that idea from. The same issues apply to polygamy. Anyways it's impossible to decide which type of relationships is better - polygamy or monogamy. After all what is the criteria we are judging on? If people want exclusiveness - then it's monogamy. If people want variety then it's polygamy. But saying that polygamy better suits humans because of lesser divorce rates is really wrong because divorces do not decide the quality of relationships. They are simply an end to one. Anyways your bias clearly shows.
Also there can't be love without jealousy. Because the moment we give ourselves to another person the moment we get attached to him/her emotionally. There is a reason why attachment is a synonym to love. In relationships people sacrifice a lot emotionally hence they expect to receive a lot in return and when a third person gets involved in the relationship most normal beings start to begin feeling detached. Because now the balance is missing. So jealousy in relationships in normal and natural since it's a sign of deep connection and attachment between two people.
Also if I was with a girl and she told me I couldn't meet her desires then we would just break up. Not out of resentment but because if I can't satisfy her then why am I even with her? I will just let her find a man that does. It just shows that I'm not good enough because I've been in relationships where myself have been more than enough to a woman
@craz88 Not all my information I got from university. And the course I took teaches both the pros and cons about monogamy and polygamy, so there's no bias from the course. You mentioned a big reason for divorce, loss of attraction. A big cause for lost attraction is getting bored. Being polyamorous relationships, the attraction is often refreshed cuz you variety, hence why people's Libido's are often much higher. To determine what relationship is more effective requires data and measuring things like levels of happiness and satisfaction in both monogamous and polyamorous relationships, both in the short and long ones. We can debate how to accomplish that.
I've been in open relationships with some girls for up to 7 years, so I know it works so I know your second paragraph about how love can't have jealousy is all written through speculations only. There are ways to prevent jealousy and detachments in open relationships. I have a rule where a girl has to be seeing other guys.
@craz88 And I will give you an example on why one person alone may not be able to satisfy one person. One of my girlfriend's desires to be a thin Asians which I am able to fulfill, but she also desires a larger muscular caucasian which I'll never be able to. There is no way one person can fulfill both of her desires and preferences unless technology is developed that allows us to shape shift. Another example is one of my other girlfriends whose bisexual and prefers both a male and female partner. Sorry but I don't think there's a human out there who can be both.
Actually statistics DO lie. Any retard can cherry pick whatever statistics supports their view. It proves nothing. Statistics are often biased. There are a lot of conflicting statistics that nobody can prove is a fact. Some statistics are genuine, others are not. You have to be able to prove that your statistics are true, which you cannot do. The fact remains that selfish people will always be greedy and have multiple partners. And I can easily disprove your claims just by using common sense.
All I ever see is a sausage party begin for her and a dude either realizing the deal isn't in his favor... or... he's the type of dude that enjoys the idea, presence, or sight of extra cocks.
My guess is that it works for the latter, but the prior usually ends up with one or both parties going through a plethora of verbal contracts and boundaries breaking.
You two have your own agendas and objectives, but any third party will have their own... and any will can be swayed in matters of lust and desire with opportunities at hand. i. e. despite prior agreement to only have safe sex, a partner could easily be swayed not to in the heat of the moment. An agreement to not give oral can easily be ignored with the right genitals presented.
Things can and will happen, and the other partner/partners will be none the wiser... until someone slips up, then all hell can break loose.
Any man that would agree to one is the lowest, most disgusting form of simp. "Open" relationshit basically means she takes miles of strange cock, and unless he's a thug or trust fund baby he gets to fuck one or two other women every few months. Meanwhile, she's using him as an emotional tampon, walking ATM, etc.
Granted, it's not much different than 'regular' relationshits. But at least in a regular relationshit, she's generally at least *trying* to hide the fact that she's fucking a bunch of other men. She's not shoving her actions right in your face.
It is a fantasy lifestyle.
My wife and I fantasize and tease each other about others, she could mess around and so can I. The fantasy provides the mental rush enough for our love making to be very intense.
But when we sleep with someone else, we are essentially giving a little chunk of ourselves to someone else that belongs to our partner. If it is many, then we are giving bigger chunks of our heart.
I'm sure both you and your boyfriend can sleep with anybody, but you chose each other so that says a lot about your relationship.
Maybe you 2 aren't emotionally connected enough to want to stay true to each other, so it isn't like you and he has exclusively surrendered your heart to each other, so maybe it won't make a difference to you and he.
Personally I could never be in an open relationship, when I'm with someone I don't want anyone else and if he wanted me to be with other guys or didn't care then that would make me feel as though he doesn't love me. I also wouldn't want my man to be intimate with other women, that's something special between us.
In saying all that I pass no judgement on people who are in open relationships and I think their love can be just as real and strong as people in monogamous relationships. Who are we to judge what real love is? People love in different ways, just because it's not how I love or want to be loved that doesn't make it less important.
I believe western culture is not "ready" for such drastik changes. From centuries of monogamic values opression and teachings of possesing things. Moreover, in this complex world, dealing with the emotions involved in relationships (friendhsip, romantic relationship, business relationship,...) is already painfull for people that dont learn young enough how to deal with them. Now this concept comes in. I think it makes sense in theory as nature allows it and loving is not attached to a number. but in practice... good luck finding people that much secure, stable and mature
I couldn't do it but since my guy and I don't believe in divorce (marriage is for life), he did say that if things between us got that bad, he'd be open to having an open marriage to help us to work. I guess I'd be open to that but I know I couldn't possibly do anything with anyone else because I know I only want him. Luckily though, we're that compatible, if we ever did get married then I know it'd never come to that.
Awe. That's sweet. At least it's been talked about.
Thanks 😊
Yeah exactly, we talk about everything just in case.
That's great. For us we still want the same relationship we have. We will still come home every night to each other but have a few other sexual partners.
Oh cool that sounds like a perfect balance. I think that's probably how he imagines it would be if we ever did that.
Yeah. I don't know how to will work just yet. So I'm open to thoughts or ideas!
Both being open to new ideas is the best way to be because you'd have more communication and trust. I hope it works out well for you :)
I agree. We talked about having a schedule of what we would be doing and where.
In my experience it's only a good idea in the beginning stages of dating. You're seeing her as well as other girls and you make that known, while she knows she is free to see other people as well. During that period of time you find out if you both are for eachother or not. To me I don't think you should get into a relationship unless you love someone. You shouldn't start a relationship and hope love comes later. So that's why I feel open dating is best starting out and if love unfolds, that's when you cut off the other girls and be exclusive with the one you love. Obviously that's if she wants the same thing as well and it makes sense to do so.
What you don't do is meet a girl, make her your girlfriend right away. Then a few months later realize you want more variety and discuss making your relationship an open relationship. That's a bad idea lol.
Being in one myself, I can tell you it takes a lot of trust and communication. They are not for everyone and I don't judge those that are monogamous. Jealousy is natural. I'm not wired much for jealousy, and I have a very adventurous libido, so open is the only kind of relationship I can have, unless I want to be a cheater (which I used to be).
It's something my boyfriend and I talked about doing. We have a unique situation and I think it might be the best for us.
Lots of communication. I somehow got lucky meeting my boyfriend. I was already in an open relationship with my girlfriend. He's surprisingly not jealous for never having had a relationship or even sex before me. He likes to keep to himself a lot so that's partly why it works so well.
That's awesome. I have 2 online boyfriends essentially and we have been having more intimate types of date nights with other couples and feel this is right for us.
If you all can make it work and be happy, more power to you!
Thanks. Do you have suggestions that have worked for you?
I'm actually in a type of open relationship.
It works for us. It doesn't for everyone and I will be the first one to admit this isn't for everyone.
It takes very secure and confident people to do what we do, not just personally but in the relationship as well.
My boyfriend knows he's the only one for me romantically and emotionally. Physically is another story. And I assure you it's not because I "can't keep it in my pants", as someone else suggested. I have been monogamous and would be again if tomorrow he said he wants it all to stop. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Are you and your boyfriend considering this or were you just discussing it for giggles?
@Sara413 It was actually his fantasy. To be totally honest, I was a little put off at first. And I told him I wasn't really sure about it. So talked about it A LOT. I had some concerns about how he would feel after being with someone else. It's not really something you can take back once it's happened you know? Anyway, it came about because it was something he wanted to happen. It's actually pretty common, well, more than you'd think it would be.
It's not something I really thought I could do but I'm really happy with the way things are.
It's not like our relationship needed excitement, it wasn't stale, but it's added to it. It's fun and exciting and I'm not sure who loves it more.
Does yr boyfriend have control, and absolute veto power, over the other boys you play with? Is he clearly the only three-dimensional male in the picture, with the other boys just amounting to throwaway sex toys? Are the other boys unambiguously aware of their (non-) status at all times?
If yr answers are yes, yes and yes, then, I don't think the term "open" applies to yr rl (... and, as a side note, this type of rl tends to be a surprisingly sustainable long term construct — especially if the bf/husband is somewhat older and has already been around the proverbial block a few times).
An "open" rl, as I understand it, is where the partners are free to DATE, and possibly even FORM EMOTIONAL BONDS with, "the competition".
THAT sort of thing -- short of purely practical arrangements, eg sham marriages to reduce income tax -- I not only don't see ever working for long, but also just don't understand in the first place.
@redeyemindtricks lol do you go looking for my answers now? Stag/Vixen is what I'm talking about.
I can't say I don't form connections but it's not anything romantic I guess? I don't know it's hard to explain. There is not nor will there ever be any competition between a side guy and my boyfriend.
"lol do you go looking for my answers now?"
nh lol. you're anon, so that wouldn't even be possible anw.
if there's any unusual frequency, it may have something to do with the feed (which could still push follows to the front, even if they're anon — I don't know whether that's a thing, but it's certainly not unreasonable to think it might be).
@xBreezy "all you need is a cuck..."
^^ You're assuming that the WOMAN would actually want to stay in a rl like this. That's a very, very bad assumption.
@xBreezy you should stop talking about things you don't know or understand.
@redeyemindtricks yea I know but I saw you pop up in my alerts and started shaking my head laughing. You're all over this stuff.
"You're all over this stuff"
^^ ahah well. I'm not on here as much these days, but, yh last cpl days I've been posting a fair bit.
@xBreezy mature doesn't mean intelligent. Until you know what the difference is between a cuck and a stag you shouldn't voice an opinion as it's not an educated one and it makes you look ignorant.
@xBreezy
"Someone else's lifestyle is different than my own! Let me kick and scream about it like a fucking toddler"
... that is what your comments basically boil down to lol
Open relationships aren't something I have any interest in, but different strokes for different folks. There is nothing wrong with open relationships, or even cuckhold relationships. If both partners find the arrangement fulfilling, what does it matter? Doesn't affect you at all so why are you all worked up about it?
I do find it interesting to learn about different types of non-monogamous arrangements. "Open" relationships are extremely diverse and can mean a lot of different things, so it's interesting to hear how some people arrange theirs, where they draw the lines, etc.
I've met couples who areyour standard "swingers" - they go out and find other couples to swap partners with for the night. That's a type of open relationship but it has very clear boundaries and the activities are sought out as partners. I've met people who are in polyamourous relationships, who have multiple romantic partnerships. Others are in one relationship and are allowed to have sex with other people, sometimes with limitations or boundaries drawn up, sometimes not.
Of all those arrangements standard swinging is the only one that intrigues me in any way. But I still don't think I would ever actually pursue that arrangement.
@Sara413 i am free to judge whoever i want
this place isn't your personal safe space
People are free to judge me as well.
That's what humans do.
The only reason i commented here in the first place is because she said it takes confident and secure people to pull this type of relationship off and that's farthest from the truth.
@xBreezy you're mistaken but you're obviously more concerned with your preconceived notions, which are likely due to porn, than learning about something new.
That's fine. That's your right to continue to make yourself look foolish. And I'm not name calling, it's just a fact.
You aren't the first one to judge and you won't be the last. No sleep will be lost over your unwillingness to have an open mind.
Good bye.
I have no problem with Open Relationships, its not my business what kind of relationship other people are in. Personally I have absolutely no interest in ORs. I don't know anyone in real life involved in OR, so my experience is just from online.
So far I've not heard of any successful OR, they eventually end. Its usually guys who want OR but once reality kicks in they realize its easier for her to get guys near impossible for him. Not surprisngly relationship suffers and ends.
It seems they just want fuck buddies they are close to and have kids with.
I've always thought about it every now and then but never got the chance to have one. I'd be comfortable with an open relationship that has me, my current girlfriend and either a boyfriend or a girlfriend I don't really mind it being a guy/girl if he/she is like a best friend to both my girlfriend and I before we have an open relationship with them. Plus the way I see it is that if us 3 share and be equal to each other then we won't have any issues. No one sidedness like say everyone has a job and provides an equal part.
I slightly rather it be a girl than a guy due to how awkward sex may be. Mainly since anytime we talk about threesomes its with her girl best friend
I would personally never be in an open relationship. But I don't judge others that do it. If that's what they both want and it makes them both happy, then I say why not.
Thanks. That answer made me happy!
I'm glad. :)
Whatever y'all decide, you will still be with each other at the end of each day. Don't let any negative opinions of others make you feel like you can't do what makes YOU happy. If you don't mind me asking, what are his thoughts on it?
It was my idea originally and he thought it was a good one based on how we are currently. We have a unique situation. I have 2 online guy friends I've had forever and we still talk and I still send them photos, he hates wearing clothes and wants to be more open with himself with that. So I think it's overal best for us.
We decided this is what we want. So far it's been good for our relationship.
I have a couple froends in open relationships and it seems to work for them so far but I think it's tricky and can be kind of like walking on a tightrope.
We are thinking we want to explore it.
I could see that coming a mile away. Lol. As long as you both communicate and aren't the possessive, jealous types, have fun.
Well thank you!
So far our change has been good for us
To be honest I think society and societal standards aren't ready for this... YET! But believe me in maybe 100 years it will be considered as norm! I would not like to share, however i do see the point people that are willing to have this arrangement make!
Simply because when you really love and trust someone, sex should not matter THAT much! Ok there is jealousy and the fear of diseases etc... but isn't jealousy a form of.. i trust you but not 1000%? Or the point of being too selfish to consider someone else's need? I think there is a lid to every pot, so some people may never agree to rhis, such as me, but by logics it would make sense. To spice up the relationship or to satisfy someone's fantasies without having to break up with a good person just to lice a fantasy and then realise they've made a mistake. Plus remember, we are all mammals at the end of the day, and mammals aren't really known to be monogamous... 😊
Bad Idea if you're in love.
There will be one time when you will be angry with each other for other reason and will blew up this topic and
will feel hurt and much things.
I don't even like when my girl says that she has seen dicks on internet.
I mean I feel hurt why the hell you're looking at dick on internet when I got one for you.
In open relationship you both will feel when you will make love
that something is missing cause there is always someone better in making love than your partner.
so hell to the open relationship.
Why fuck somebody else when you got your hoe or your playboy.
Have you ever been in a group of 3-6 people and you're all best friends with each other? When you're just hanging out with 1 of them alone, you don't start missing the other cuz they're better. You also don't get jealous when any 2 of them are just hanging out on their own. Why? Because all of you have unique and special connections with one another. Open relationships are going to be the same way. You can love each partner in their own unique way. Yes it's possible you might favour one partner over another, just like you might like one friend over another. But if it works with friendships, it can work with open relationships.
that is not love than
love is where you don't feel the same with any another person.
Depends on the couple. If both agree to have one and it's only sex and no emotional connection then it works fine. But if one of them is just agreeing with this purely because they want to please or keep the partner, I think it's a very bad idea and they are going to get hurt in the end.
IT IS CALLED BEING SINGLE.
Why people call them Open relationships is just absurd. They are not a relationship, it is simply being single. You don't care for the person or you wouldn't want them with someone else. Basically it is a glorified fuck buddy.
I've seen it go both ways. Most couples can't handle open relationships; something in our brains just isn't wired for it. However, I HAVE seen some folks in open relationships who have an incredibly healthy bond, and from what they've said, it's all about trust and communication. If you lose track of either of those things, folks get jealous or resentful, and it just ends in disaster.
One of those "tread carefully, but it's not impossible" sort of things.
When I'm in a relationship I care and love with all my heart and I give that guy my everything so I don't think that would work for me. If my boyfriend ever even asked my heart would be crushed. I can't imagine him sleeping with other women, what we do in bed is for us only. I wouldn't want him naked with anyone else spreading his juices on anyone else or some girls juices on him or even her sweat. I don't know to me sex is special even when it's kinky af I could never share that experience with someone else when I'm already in a relationship.
well if your boyfriend and you are only For buddies. then go for it. but drop the boyfriend title. because that's not what he is to you if your willing to sleep with any guy that blows your way. and how are you going to feel when. another girl comes over to screw him. just remember what Snoopy has to say. The Grass Is Always Grenier On The Otherwise Side Of The Fence. Until You Get There ND Find Out Its Artifical Turff
Honestly I think open relationships are more realistic these days or at least having that option on the table. Monogamous relationships are nice, but in my opinion way too naive, If its gonna happen anyway might as well have it all up in the air.
Point I'm trying to make it, Even if you do like someone on an emotional level, there is always gonna be the chance that one of the 2 parties is gonna go unfulfilled sexually. So you might as well leave that door open there are no surprises.
To put it simply... I love you, but when i hear you say things like "I only wanna have sex with you" I can't help but laugh a little inside.
I think they are a good option for some people, but not for everyone. I personally think they'd be best when a couple has been married/together for a while (I'm talking at least several years), don't have that intense jealousy anymore, feel connected to their partner on a deeper level than just sex, and maybe are a little bored with their sex life. Or, for people who never wanted to be monogamous to start with.
We decided to go for it and the last few weeks have been better for my boyfriend and I than ever before.
Great! :)
Yeah. I'm thankful for the result of it.
I don't understand when people say "you need a lot of trust and sense of security" to be in open relationship.
What trust? You're already being cheated left and right with your own blessing. Do you think rules really apply?
Sense of security, I guess you will be okay with anything as long as you have money and status.
It's like living in a harem, except females can screw other guys too.
Oh, the happiness.
Reminds me of what one psychiatrist and couples councilor said about it, "in order to maintain an open relationship you would need strong love for one another, absolute trust, and an incredibly strong connection to the person, but if you have all of that with your partner then why would you look for some one else?" Its funny no one really thinks of it in that way, if you need a lot of rules to make it work then chances are its not a particularly good system.
@hellionthesagereborn
Yes, indeed. Then they only focus on the first part "strong love, absolute trust, strong connection" trying to make it sound like people in an open relationship have somewhat reached an enlightened stage above everyone else, when in reality there's probably little love to speak of.
When you really love someone you wouldn't say "I will be spending my evening with someone else. See you on Sunday for family lunch" like you just went out for a couple of beers with your friends, would you? You need to invest time and money to actively pursue other people.
Yep, its a bizarre thought process. I mean most people can't handle a one on one relationship to begin with yet think they can juggle something even more complicated as an open relationship? Its just fantasy, sounds good on paper every one gets what ever they want without consequence but the reality is it just doesn't work, we are not built for it.
If two people actually loved each other for real they would never consider sharing their partner.
Yes 💜
The picture should show this couple fighting and throwing things. That's where it ends up for most emotionally involved couples. in my experience, the couples who make this work have a relationship of convenience.
~JSmith
You both can do whatever you want but at the same that is a bad idea especially where feelings can get hurt, pregnancy can happen with the wrong person, and diseases can take place. Even if your cautious its still cheating that is not a relationship ( You may call it a group or multiple friends with benefits).
Both need to be very secure about themselves, both need to be veeery sure that is what they want. Otherwhise it will be very complicated.
Also if it is a very serious relationship, like a marriage, I don't think is a great idea. Since isn't a perfect enviroment if you looking to build a familly.
But in the end, if it is what is wanted, you guys are adults and free to do what your heart desires :)
I feel that it's something that works well if the couple has spent a significant amount of time with each other being monogamous for several years and feeling like they wanna try other things but still remain in a relationship. This sounds like something that a couple married for 20+ years would do.
It's not for me. If it works for some people, great, but I know I wouldn't be good for me.
I would also appreciate if couples looking for extra partners on online dating sites paid attention to the "strictly monogamous" option. That means very explicitly that I do NOT want to be part of an open relationship.
From what I've witnessed of friends who opt to say, "I'm in an open relationship," they really mean to say one or a combination of a few things:
1) "I have a friends-with-benefits situation, but I really don't want to be judged."
2) "I feel there's a chance someone better may come along eventually, and this way I have a guilt-free way out if I want to leave."
3) "I don't want to commit, but at the same time I also don't like to feel lonely."
I don't care if others are into it. I can't be. I'll be in constant fear that my SO would find someone better and then dump me because I gave them a reason to. Also I think couples that don't make their relationship exclusive are basically in an open relationship.
The fantasy is nice but when I think a woman is a good catch/I'm in love I would not want to risk losing her over it (if something went wrong).
So I doubt I would ever do it unless we were happily married for years & had 100% trust in each other. Plus she would have to be the kind of person who seldom has regrets about decisions they make.
wouldn't work for me personally but if people can do it then that's on them. for me i can't stomach the idea of my partner being with anyone else and for me i have no desire to be with anyone else. to be with anyone else for would require not just physical attraction but a close emotional relationship
it all depends on the couple. for an open relationship to work, both have to agree on spicific rules set ahead of time and there must be constant communication with each other. rules must be implemented so one person does not do something that would anger the other person.
the people you both decide to bring into your relationship must also be aware that you two are a couple and are in an open relationship. there can't be secrets. also, these people have to feel comfortable, be aware of any rules set, and not be jealous of you both.
lastly, whoever you or him decide to bring into the relationship must be liked by the other person. last thing you would want is him bringing someone else home that you dislike. that is recipe for disaster.
Honestly, it's all up to the boundaries that you and you partner set. Personally, I'm not into open relationships but I follow people who practice polygamy and they are living life happily.
If this is something you two want to try, great! As long as you both are comfortable, that's all that matters.
In theory it's fine if everyone can keep their emotions in check, boundaries are made and respected, and communication is maintained.
In practice, I feel like it can work but it introduce a lot of complications that are likely to cause a relationship to fizzle out or implode.
Don't think it would work unless they were both there like swinging. Most of the couples I know I met that do this and are happy are in their late 40s or 50s. My theory is that the longer you've been married the more motivated you are to sleep with someone other than your wife and the less you would care about her sleeping with someone else.
Also an open relationship seems completely unfair for the guy. If the rule was nothing but sex the girl could probably find a different reasonably attractive person every night with little effort. For a guy its much harder. There aren't just girls lined up who want to be fuckbuddies and one night stands. They will have to go through the motions e. g. Go out for drinks or dinner or whatever just to make her feel comfortable even if she just wants a hookup (which is rare). And that alone might be more personal than the girl is comfortable with. Maybe if they were both bisexual it would work but the girl would probably be worried about getting HIV.
It depends on the individuals entirely.
The key is that each must be very secure in their relationship, meaning they don't get jealous.
Very few humans are monogamous. Unfortunately, some long dead pope imposed his view of sexual morality (strange for a guy who isn't supposed to have sex) and that view has contaminated cultures across the globe and resulted in hundreds of millions of unhappy couples.
@Rubygirl7
Is it insecurity on their part, or that they are lacking something in their relationship? Very few people are all things to another for all time.
On their part... because as you said no person can be all things to a person at all times in a relationship even in the most ideal relationship... having a need to get validation from others because their partner can't be everything all the time to them is the height of insecurity in oneself
@Rubygirl7
It is not seeking validation. It is seeking what is missing.
If I am hungry, I get something to eat. That doesn't mean I need food to believe I am a great guy.
I think it can be a good idea, depending on the individuals who are actually in the relationship. if they for example get bored easily, if they can separate sex and emotion, and their views towards open relationships in general. Me personally, I think this is a good idea. I think the temptation of 'cheating' disappears and the people in the relationship can experience somebody new once in awhile
Bad idea. I never works out for long. One or the other always bails.
Same for threesomes - they're never quite what you expect and someone always gets their feelings hurt. Usually the primary relationship fails as well.
As long as neither one of you care if you're not with the other then go for it. I've never done none of this but, I know people who lost what is supposed to be the love of their life?(HOW) Threesomes, open relation - ships etc. lead more times then not to separation and/or divorce. The main culprit? Jealousy.
It depends on your relationship, I guess. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it if you're serious about your relationship and/or in love.
I've reached the point in my life where I think that most of those "urges" are based in fear and insecurity, and acting on them just sort of reaffirms those fears and insecurities.
Not my thing. If you can date other people, it means we're not together. Besides the drama, what's the point seriously? If you wanna play around than you might as well just be single. It really just kills the whole point of being in a relationship
I personally think it's a free pass to cheat on someone. a relationship to me is about finding your forever person and if you or your partner are focused on someone else then it's never going to have that intimacy it requires.
I considered being the "other" woman for a guy in one and his girlfriend might have murdered because because despite her suggesting the relationship she's very clingy and jealous. plus everyone gets emotionally invested to an extent and then we have a problem.
It is a bad idea.
If you become pregnant, that will lead to a world of complications.
If an STD is contracted by either of you, there could be life changing (or life ending) consequences.
You are either in a relationship, or you are not.
Both of you need to decide what you want.
You should look past your desire for short-term sexual gratification.
super bad idea. if he tries to talk you into it, reject it. this bullshit never works and you will have drame with it. it´s just a way for people to cheap out of commitment and responsibility. you can have casual sex or a fuck friend but don´t be like "yeah we are kind of together but we still fuck whoever". that won´t work for you.
Good if both people in the relationship are very mentally stable and mature. If you're both really stable and want to, then why not
Bad if one or both of people from the relationship are prone to jealousy, mental instability, immaturity, etc. I can be all of these things I mentioned so yeah I can never handle being in an open relationship
Unless both of you are 100% committed to each other, will feel no jealously, will allow the other to have their flings and be happy about it, open relationships will never work.
This is not for everyone. Most open relationships come from a swinging background.
If we were meant to fuck whomever whenever please explain the existence of STDs. Condoms only prevent a handful. Unless you use one of these do you really want to kiss your husband after he eats another woman's pussy? I look at promiscuous people like toxic waste dumps.
I would never do it but one of my closest friends did. He deeply regretted it he had the idea that someday they were gonna marry and become a real couple but in the end his heart was broken. She found someone else and I don't blame her. Although I feel sorry for him what was he waiting for...
Open relationship is no different from friends with benefits.
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