Actually I think the contrary though not strictly. If a woman doesn't offer to pay at least, then I consider her someone who doesn't bother to invest in me or even thought about it. Basically the value I put in her doesn't mirror the value she put in me and thus makes me feel worthless compared to her.Honestly that disgusts me in a sense because if we were to continue that relationship, I will always be at the bottom rung rather than an equal standing.
@Nivinxus this is why you and i would never date. We are two different. I'm no shortage of men who have asked me to marry them and or date them, so its just your opinion and those of a few boys on here i wouldn't date eithe, not a rule to find a quality guy. The problem is you judge people who dont do things by your rules. I simply think we should do what gets us the type of mate we want and will make us happy, regardless if that means our actions and choices aren't the same
@Nivinxus also, your value should be within you. If a girls actions effect it i reccomend working on working on you. Your theory also means that you wouldn't date a woman who might not be wealthy enough to keep up with your lifestyle. That's concerning but your choice
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. The point here is, I have standards as well and you seem to think that a woman must be monetarily stable enough to date me. Stupidity aside, it's the gesture that is important. Of course I'm going to judge someone who doesn't invest into my standards, just as they will judge me when I invest into their standards. That's dating in a nutshell. After all, that's the whole point of finding an idea partner.Yes, we wouldn't date, not because I think you are poor or anything. It's either because you give the vibe of being too traditionalist, lack initiative or in worst cases, I find you too pretentious (which I doubt). I do judge harshly to be fair, but if that is what it means to find happiness, I wouldn't mind taking the scenic route.
@Nivinxus a person who makes a "gesture" with no intent to follow through is just a fool. So really, its not about the gesture, because no one, regardless of differing standards, is particularly fond of a fool. But then you go onto agree with my point. My dating approach is very traditional. Not because it "works" or its "right", but because it reflects me. And THAT is the biggest reason people dont have successful relationships. They aren't real. so I'm confused why thats a "disgusting" thing to you? Just because other people do things outside of your immediate world that you don't get doesn't mean your judgement is appropriate or warranted. Unless it directly effects you, i dont see why the condemnation. A world of only people like yourself with only your opinions seems... limiting.
Gesture with no intent... I stopped reading right there because you seem blind to the point I'm making. Whatever, let's just agree to disagree because it appears you and I seem to have different way of conveying the message.
So does that mean if he wants to have sex on the first date you let him? Because that is what I'm getting from this. You expect him to pay on the first date and act traditional but after that you will split things. So guess that mean on the first date if he pays then you're ok with him demanding sex from you? I didn't think so.You are a hypocrite. You expect men to treat you like you are special because you are a women when it is in your favor but when it is your turn to play a more traditional role you don't want to go with it. You're literally asking for special treatment. The best thing is your last line shows how hypocritical you are. "It's not much of a partnership if you're unwilling to take on some of the responsibilities." Which is exactly what you are doing avoiding responsibilities in a relationship ie paying your share of the date. Let me guess you call yourself a strong independent woman too?
@LeoLionEye traditionally men wooed women and women waited for marriage. So your traditional shit just went out the window. Also, I did say this. "However, after the first date I have no problem paying half or he pays for dinner and I pay for the movie or whatever. "So how exactly am I a hypocrite? Just said I'd pay my share didn't I?
Yeah but you won't on the first date. You even said "I absolutely expect a man to pay for the first date." So it's mandatory for guys to pay for you on the first date. Sorry but that makes you seem entitled. And in turn it makes you a hypocrite because you believe a man owes you something (paying your share of the date) while on a date, but you however believe you don't owe a man anything on a date. That makes you a hypocrite and seem very entitled. As well as if you think you are better them men and they owe you something. Why if there is no second date? Guess you just used the guy for a free meal then.
I agree with ur statement. The guys who take offense are just broke and self centered and expect everyrhing to be handed to them with no effort.. if im asked out on a date i will expect him 2 pay, i will sometimes offer and just because there isn't a 2nd date doessnt mean u use someone for a meal it just so happened it didn't work out.. its not intential. Most men are gentlemens and always offer to pay its these irrogant men that get on here n say ur a prostitute for a meall. Heck i buy peoples food all the time.. around here someone pays for a random persons meal its called paying it forward.. if i invite my girl. Friend to eat i will buy her food because i asked her to go.. if she dont have the $... these men are literally complaining about having to spend 10 or 15 on some food for a woman is absolutely disgusting.. that shows me you dont want to put forth any effort into me.. if im not worth a 10$ meal your not worth my time.. simple as that
@MeganForreal It isn't about the money. It's about the principal. Why do you consider your time more valuable then a guy's time to the point that you feel like he must pay for everything just to spend time with you? I don't care what you think of me and think I'm cheap or not a gentleman because I know you don't know me and that you are wrong. That and because you're opinion doesn't mean anything to me since you just come across as a woman who feels entitled to me. No man wants that. So from where I'm standing you're the undesirable one. Also only $10 on a date? And you call me cheap and broke haha.
Gosh ur pathetic.. u really are u have to be insane to come up with ur logic.. 10$ im cheapp. No your cheap for not wanting to pay.. most sit down restraunts is 10-15 as on first dates ur normally not going out to a super nice place.. i dont think my time is more valuable i actually dont think that at all. I was raised that the man works and the woman stays at home n raises the kids.. i am old fashioned im 35yrs old and every date i have ever beem on in my entire life the guy has always paid.. even when i did offer at times.. only 1 did a guy ask me to go dutch.. which i ovetlooked because i wanted to give him a shot but then he started whining about 5$ in gas and that i needed to drive my own car to his house which proves my point.. men like that dont want to put forth any effort at all.. and thats not my type.. you are outnumbered if you haven't looked throuvh this thread almost all men say they pay.. so im not the minority here u are and ur attitude..
@LeoLionEye you're right about everything you said
she sounds like an awful person.. shouldn't be friends with her in my opinion
@MrNameless after that night, I ended the friendship. I don't believe in using people
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I'd expect some sort of appreciation though
Feminists laugh at a man who doesn’t pay for her dinner and call him cheap, even though she could easily afford it and would never do the same in return, that’s not equality, that’s sexist societal expectations made out to somehow be considered equality which is total BS. Such a double standard with supposed sexism and feminists.
Exactly. Only non- thinking beta males pay for dates as per social expectation. 9/10 men never see the girl again. And we all know millions of women do this routinely just to get free food! And men still think that's just a normal expectation? Sorry but only betas think that. No offense to anyone, just my opinion and something to think about. Thanks John Miller.
FYI: Sorry im not into gold diggers, but everyone but them... Dont know why I got a negitive from a girl.. I have rights to be ready to show respect for respects to all types of girls desires to be compadable in americas melting pot entitled culture. However I choose to dump gold diggers.. 👎Maybe she's a gold digger.. Sorry it broke her... 💔 lol..
If she asks you out that means she should pay her own half? I don't get that logic.
@Ayer93 Hmm didn't make that clear, my fault. I meant that if she expects me to pay the whole thing when she asked me out, then I'm turned off.
@Nivinxus ah I see. I like that logic lol
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