Pride? I'm not wasting money so some woman i might never talk to again gets a free meal. Fuck that. Pride would be not allowing yourself to get scammed out of money. The first date should always be split so there is incentive on both parties to try and get to know one another instead of the woman thinking she gets a free meal.
Plus, this is the first example of feminist hypocrisy people pointed out. They only want equality in some instances, not when it doesn't benefit them.
So you want to be a strong woman but also inferior? Or do you propose that women are superior which is why men have to do everything for them? We are fodder, slaves and bitches awaiting your beck and call?
"How dare you not pay for my food! Where is your pride? I am a lady and you should do things for me for no reason!"
I would, but you seemed to have utmost confidence when replying to comments such as "she does this often," implication perhaps being that you'd know whats going on already. You'll figure it out.
@unomilkis1 okay well I don't know what you are talking about but, I'm upset with her. So if you think I'm going to easy on her, you habe another thing coming.
As they should, if your a women that favors and cries for equality in this world and doesn’t want to be seen as an object or property. Then you would jump at the opportunity to pay your own way in a bill or offer too. A date isn’t a free ride for food, it’s an audition to see what kind of person you are and if your even worthy of being with the one asking. I do have one rule I stand by. The person that ask someone to go on a date should probably pick up the tab for the first date and the first date only. After that if she doesn’t contribute in some way, shape or form.. that’s a pretty big red flag to me.. it baffles me that women want free rides in dates but still cry for equality in everything, and hates that men treat them in a certain way. Be different, contribute!
As for your update, same with a man. If I have to pay because of those social norms. Be ready to return the favor in the way I desire and don’t complain.. cause there are more female prostitutes than men. You know a lot of women will do absolutely anything but work for the money.
I think there is a perception that many women actually don't like it all that much.
Men used to do a lot of things 'for' women as part of a courtship process. Most of that came from a time when men had power over women, so doing these things made the guy seem kind and 'benevolent'.
Now that young men and women have far more equal power even if not identical, and furthermore, young women and young men have similar earning power, men doing these acts do not convey the old attitude of him being a powerful kind man, rather it sometimes seems like he is desperate and needy and trying to buy her attention. Since women find -that- a turnoff, many men are dialing those sorts of things back.
I believe we discovered the root reason. These guys that “allowing” women to pay on a date that requested for are guys that are boys. Boys that were brought up in 1997 on with by the strong single female.
The reality is this: In 1997, there were a total of 1,163,000 divorces granted in the United States. That's 4.3 per one thousand of the population. There are currently 19,400,000 divorced adults (1998). The median age at divorce is 35.6 for Males and 33.2 for females. The median duration of a marriage is 7.2 years.
These guys lack a male role model to show them what has been traditionally been passed down in generations…how to be a gentleman and have chivalry. It’s soo apparent throughout this post. That is the root, the males up to 25 years are primary parent was a self-made feminist who wore the role of a mother and father, which created these “softboys”
@BeesNectar I'm a married lone breadwinner, father was the same. But the world has changed, a lot. And women's reactions to men have changed not, just men.
TBH, men will basically gravitating to whatever gets them laid. If paying for dates gets them laid, they'll pay for dates. Some guys are not paying because they find that actually gets them more sex.
@BeesNectar. Thank for the divorce rate stats. Tbh Taht does not mean there lacks a male role model. Plenty of divorces have equal partnering rights, or there's a bother marriage, or the mother live close to her brother etc etc. It's a nice stat but I don't believe it means a lack of a male role model.
@kingofthellamas well here is the specific census. let that reeeallllllly siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink in...
There is a father absence crisis in America. According to the U. S. Census Bureau, 19.7 million children, more than 1 in 4, live without a father in the home. Consequently, there is a father factor in nearly all social ills facing America today.
I understand that men will do anything it takes to get laid but that's not what the question was about. It was about why this specific age group are okay or even have the expectation that this is acceptable when requesting a lady out on a date. let that sink in "LADY... out on a... DATE"
@BeesNectar Thanks for letting me know that. (I'm not in the USA). Again I would say not having a father in the home is not the same thing as young girls and boys missing a male role model.
Because most young women are constantly towing the popular feminist narrative that they are strong, independent and they "don't need no man". So men under the age of 25, who have been indoctrinated by feminism in our education system, are just giving women the equality that they claim they want. You pay your share of the bill and I'll pay mine, that's equality.
My friends with benefits was at least a gentleman enough to do this (first date). That being said we don't go on that many dates. I paid for another. We split the other ones. WOOW!
@sonnysunshine oh hell no I'd have a real relationship with him if he was that type of guy, he's even cool with taking a mini break until the weather gets nicer <3
@alone looks like your comment got deleted 😂🤣😆😆 keep trolling and I'll get your whole account deleted. you're too old to be this pathetic , broke, uneducated, inexperienced, and unable to spell basic words like "apparently ".😂🤣. You resorted to calling me the "N" word assuming my race made you look like a racist
@ToughChick I'm a tomboy I have a gun collection am a MMA fanatic and practicer. I play every sport possible What's your point? What's that have to do with paying for dates? Your wires got crossed at some point. Are you going to by your own engagement ring too?
Not having to pay is part of the beauty of dating an older woman. The gesture of buying a woman anything is to say "look what I can give you if you go out with me" being 23 and still in university means I literally can't afford to spend 50 pounds on a date, so the notion doesn't hold up. Personally I would rather eat that week than have a woman think "isn't he sweet" especially when women can be quite fickle. Suddenly you've spent your money on a girl who wants sombody else.
It's called 3rd wave feminism and the crazy "women" it creates. The first wave was voting rights, second wave was equality, and now the third wave is the war on "toxic" masculinity which is really just masculinity. Oh and apparently there's no such thing as "toxic" femininity either. lol
Because women work and make money just like men now. Women talk about equality and being independent and all that but still expect the guy to pay. I think a lot of guys wouldn't mind paying though. It's women's attitude about it like they're entitled to have the guy pay for them that's a turn off. Some women say they would refuse a second date from a man who didn’t pay. That attitude makes the guy want to not pay.
I still pay but I know some guys stopped offering because they kept getting preached to about "equality" by feminists. Naturally that's not what women had in mind, but it's definitely a byproduct of that mindset. "If I'm expected to pay then that's not equality. Women want equality, therefore I won't pay for her."
The rules of engagement due to upbringing or lack thereof ways to be were dropped and more taught so t h. g ere is a direction of non interest to the degree we are on the same page why do I have do more and you don't? You were raised with scruples awareness and what actually works. That's why you are yourself with anyone so this way if there is a disagreement you can rectify it immediately and thus now you know the particulars to help you see what's right and right for you.
I believe if a guy asks a woman out, he should pay. Let’s face it, there is a descepency in women to men wages for the the skill set and title. If a man asks me out, he should be prepared to pay since it is his request because I have other options and places to be but choose to be there upon his request - not of my own free, sell will decision, especially when a female has a child that she needs to pay a sitter so she can go can on a date that he requested.
So men should pay on dates because women choose lower paying jobs and/or work few hours? That doesn't seem right. + strangers shouldn't be responsible for your kids. That is your responsibility. Just because a guy asks you out doesn't mean he has other options. Your time is no more valuable than his. That self entitlement is problematic. Additionally, you can't really use the "whoever asks pays" argument because women almost never ask. When women ask at the same rate then that should apply.
Women don’t ask Maddow because we don’t need man. Women lead very full lives. If a man – and I said MAN – asked me out, I expect him to pay. I have a plethora of other options including doing laundry as that is. much more exciting than being out on a “Dutch date”. I am reserving time upon his request.
If I wanted to go Dutch, I would go out with my GIRLS where I am guaranteed to have a blast and come home to my vibrator, where I am guaranteed to get off.
otherwise, if you can’t afford to take me out, then don’t ask and sit your ass home. I, as a Woman, got it. Woman can do it all without the man - have a baby, raise a child, have multiple fantastic orgasms, have fulfilling relationships, make our money, do our laundry, and repeat.
Your expectation of allowing a women pay to be there for you Entrrtainment is problematic as it is making the male. species weak and obsolete in the world of a woman.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh my god!!! this is... she is the purest manifestation of this whole fckn century of genderwars!!
you should make speeches in tv to make a change in society! if all men knew this shit as it is men would change this world in a generation, please get a carreer in politics!
You do realize it takes 2 to make a baby, right?😂 And if guys wanted to pay for a for someone they would just higher a hooker. They are cheaper than most girls anyways, and you don't have to put up with them. furthermore, guys can go out with friends too and have a good time. Men don't need women we just need sex😂.
So men are expected to pay, plan dates and be funny, yet you say women are their for mens entertainment? Seems the other way around to me. Look around at all the buildings in your area. Men weak 😂😂. Stop projecting your insecurities of yourself and others women on men😂😂
You also seem to be neglecting the fact that many women complain that they can't find a man. Lot of women that share the same opinion as you end up alone and bitter, because they can't find a man. Men that don't find a women live an amazing life. They drink, gamble, party and have sex. Women tend to be agaisnt buying for sex and they loose their sex appeal more than men when they get older, and can't even get any thr way they use to.😂
@nathanp97 you seriously sound like a whining pussy and are a disgrace to men. yeah it takes two to make a child BUT it is the WOMAN that takes care of the child, rears that child and makes all the sacrifices. WOMEN are majority custodial parent for a reason.
@nathanp97 LOL like I said if you can't afford to take a woman out, then don't ask. By your response of "men ask women", clearly women are not asking you out. you want all the benefits of the pussy and expect dutch. LMAO no thank you!
@nathanp97 I am neglecting anything. the question was why don't men pay. Don't know how feminism got into dating but it shouldn't have. as a gentleman as it has been customarily in history, there is a courtship - not dutch (LMAO). perhaps you were not taught that because you came from an absentee father home with the single independent woman was the face of both the mom and dad but look it up. That how it used to be. That type of man is dying because of the lack men that stick around.
As technology advances, women do not need men. Vibrators take care of the orgasm, friendships and women power take care of the feminism, education takes care of the careers. Woman have the advantage. We don't need men. Even for having a baby or raising one.
Intelligent men know this, women have power because we have the pussy. End game.
@nathanp97 you are showing your age. let's see your tune in 20 years. You forget women like me are raising a daughter. The women we are raising will not ever need a man to pay dutch. LMAO if they ever will need one except for pure entertainment.
omg. ladies, with all the respect, that is just not reality, thats ideology.
women makes no more sacrifice than men, when its your kid its in your blood to love them, care for them, regardless of your gender. its just human.
Men pays. men pays for everything they can for their child, many times even more than that. and a child - statistically speaking - is yet the simple best risk management for financial security of a woman, if the father is relatively rich. custody through jurisdiction is ridiculously biased, it has nothing to do with sensible thinking nor facts, i work with lawyers, I've seen it all. they want the father to pay and the mother to raise them, pscicologically thats not for the best interest of the child, thats for the best interest of the mother.
Women can't have it both ways. You can't have equal pay, work and expect to not have to pay your way in this world. Guys are fine without girls and there are single fathers. You say you don't need men, but why do so many women bleed guys dry with alimony and child support?
Men didn't use to leave women that often, but self entitled women like you started to emerge and now you can't really blame guys for leaving. Not to mention women (depending on where you live) have the right to choose to be patients. Guys don't ever have this choice. If they don't want the kid they still get stuck with child support.
@Northern_star I work with attorneys too. the fact is women are raising these boys. we have coddled them and this is the end result. the lack of a male role model is apparent.
Women don't need men. Technology and current society views have given women all the advantages to have the man obsolete (if we so choose to).
@Alone-Forever if only that could be done as I would love to see that. men raising children without any female help from birth to independence. I wonder what woman essential component would be missing.
@Alone-Forever as well how much therapy it would take for that child be society acceptable. would be a very interesting experiment from a healthy distant distance.
@Alone-Forever I believe we discovered the root reason. These guys that “allowing” women to pay on a date that requested for are guys that are boys. Boys that were brought up in 1997 on with by the strong single female with absent fathers and possibly grandfathers.
The reality is this: In 1997, there were a total of 1,163,000 divorces granted in the United States. That's 4.3 per one thousand of the population. There are currently 19,400,000 divorced adults (1998). The median age at divorce is 35.6 for Males and 33.2 for females. The median duration of a marriage is 7.2 years.
These guys lack a male role model to show them what has been traditionally been passed down in generations…how to be a gentleman and have chivalry. It’s soo apparent throughout this post. That is the root, the males up to 25 years are primary parent was a self-made feminist who wore the role of a mother and father, which created these “softboys”
I was born in 1997, my parents are still married, and there is no way if pay for someone like you. If I ask a girl out on a first date I'd likely pay, assuming I didn't hate her and she didn't order something to expensive.
So your entire reasoning is that you don't know good men? Many men can, just like many women can. It is just that most men aren't given the chance, and have way more barriers which makes it harder.
If women are going to be like this one who m's called witty... bla bla bla don't know what her nickname was... for sure their going to pay and that's if she ever gets a date 1st... and if a girl is going to defend such rat, she will be worst then her!
By the way this question was asked a hundred of times and like i always say, a woman who is with me never pays also so she be ready to accept the fact that her future man is going to be responsible for her, taking good care of her and providing for her... cause she's going to become a housewife... at least with me this is the way.
I don't know how other guys do thing but I was raised with the understanding that Real Men always paid for the entire date that he planned for the date but always try to be prepared for the unexpected (carry credit cards or lots of cash) impromptu date changes
It's because a lot of women want to be independent and have screamed quite loud about it and guys are listening and following. Women have fought very hard for equality and now their getting it having to foot half the bill. Then you have the third wave of Feminism.
A gentleman will pay when we are on a date with a lady, not a woman. Like attracts like, leaving the rest out of the loop. Consequently, we are left with just chicks and dudes. Ironically, while the dudes know that their not gentleman, some of these women are under the false impression that they're ladies, not chicks. The title of "lady" or "gentleman" are earned, not owed. This is a lesson that many women are learning the hard way.
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Pride? I'm not wasting money so some woman i might never talk to again gets a free meal. Fuck that. Pride would be not allowing yourself to get scammed out of money. The first date should always be split so there is incentive on both parties to try and get to know one another instead of the woman thinking she gets a free meal.
Plus, this is the first example of feminist hypocrisy people pointed out. They only want equality in some instances, not when it doesn't benefit them.
I never said I wanted equality not one time
So...
you're falling into wowgirl10q's work. Don't fall for it, let her fall short hahaha
So you want to be a strong woman but also inferior? Or do you propose that women are superior which is why men have to do everything for them? We are fodder, slaves and bitches awaiting your beck and call?
"How dare you not pay for my food! Where is your pride? I am a lady and you should do things for me for no reason!"
@unomilkis1 im her friend. We just disagree sometimes. I still care for her though.
You may be her friend, but she has no regards for you. She does this often :')
@unomilkis1 thats not true, you don't know our relationship. So don't act like you do.
Perhaps ask yourself if she'd do this with or without you in this world LOL
Do you even know what I mean by "this" ? hahaha 😂😂😂
@unomilkis1 no. I don't know what you mean by "this".
Yea thats as clear as sky :')
@unomilkis1 instead of being smug, tell me.
I would, but you seemed to have utmost confidence when replying to comments such as "she does this often," implication perhaps being that you'd know whats going on already. You'll figure it out.
@unomilkis1 okay well I don't know what you are talking about but, I'm upset with her. So if you think I'm going to easy on her, you habe another thing coming.
And fuck spellcheck for not correcting me the times i need it.
Well I made no speculation of such, but if you say so then so be it :'). gl !
As they should, if your a women that favors and cries for equality in this world and doesn’t want to be seen as an object or property. Then you would jump at the opportunity to pay your own way in a bill or offer too. A date isn’t a free ride for food, it’s an audition to see what kind of person you are and if your even worthy of being with the one asking. I do have one rule I stand by. The person that ask someone to go on a date should probably pick up the tab for the first date and the first date only. After that if she doesn’t contribute in some way, shape or form.. that’s a pretty big red flag to me.. it baffles me that women want free rides in dates but still cry for equality in everything, and hates that men treat them in a certain way. Be different, contribute!
As for your update, same with a man. If I have to pay because of those social norms. Be ready to return the favor in the way I desire and don’t complain.. cause there are more female prostitutes than men. You know a lot of women will do absolutely anything but work for the money.
I think there is a perception that many women actually don't like it all that much.
Men used to do a lot of things 'for' women as part of a courtship process. Most of that came from a time when men had power over women, so doing these things made the guy seem kind and 'benevolent'.
Now that young men and women have far more equal power even if not identical, and furthermore, young women and young men have similar earning power, men doing these acts do not convey the old attitude of him being a powerful kind man, rather it sometimes seems like he is desperate and needy and trying to buy her attention. Since women find -that- a turnoff, many men are dialing those sorts of things back.
I believe we discovered the root reason. These guys that “allowing” women to pay on a date that requested for are guys that are boys. Boys that were brought up in 1997 on with by the strong single female.
The reality is this:
In 1997, there were a total of 1,163,000 divorces granted in the United States. That's 4.3 per one thousand of the population. There are currently 19,400,000 divorced adults (1998). The median age at divorce is 35.6 for Males and 33.2 for females. The median duration of a marriage is 7.2 years.
These guys lack a male role model to show them what has been traditionally been passed down in generations…how to be a gentleman and have chivalry. It’s soo apparent throughout this post. That is the root, the males up to 25 years are primary parent was a self-made feminist who wore the role of a mother and father, which created these “softboys”
@BeesNectar I'm a married lone breadwinner, father was the same. But the world has changed, a lot. And women's reactions to men have changed not, just men.
TBH, men will basically gravitating to whatever gets them laid. If paying for dates gets them laid, they'll pay for dates. Some guys are not paying because they find that actually gets them more sex.
@BeesNectar. Thank for the divorce rate stats. Tbh Taht does not mean there lacks a male role model. Plenty of divorces have equal partnering rights, or there's a bother marriage, or the mother live close to her brother etc etc. It's a nice stat but I don't believe it means a lack of a male role model.
@kingofthellamas well here is the specific census. let that reeeallllllly siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink in...
There is a father absence crisis in America.
According to the U. S. Census Bureau, 19.7 million children, more than 1 in 4, live without a father in the home. Consequently, there is a father factor in nearly all social ills facing America today.
I understand that men will do anything it takes to get laid but that's not what the question was about. It was about why this specific age group are okay or even have the expectation that this is acceptable when requesting a lady out on a date. let that sink in "LADY... out on a... DATE"
@BeesNectar and what I’m saying is I suspect they find ladies on dates actually respond -better- to it.
@BeesNectar Thanks for letting me know that. (I'm not in the USA). Again I would say not having a father in the home is not the same thing as young girls and boys missing a male role model.
It years of therapy...
That was taken form a website for this growing epidemic. It’s a real thing
You make me sick.
Forcing a man to pay for your meal like your royalty if they offer then its okay but just assuming they will is just sexist.
They have their pride, Where is yours?
Good means I actually stood for something
Stood for what? Females rights to walk all over men and bitch and complain when they don't treat us like a princess?
Sure
Because most young women are constantly towing the popular feminist narrative that they are strong, independent and they "don't need no man". So men under the age of 25, who have been indoctrinated by feminism in our education system, are just giving women the equality that they claim they want. You pay your share of the bill and I'll pay mine, that's equality.
Aiiiight🙌🏼👏🏼
My friends with benefits was at least a gentleman enough to do this (first date). That being said we don't go on that many dates. I paid for another. We split the other ones. WOOW!
He's 28 though... lol
and I think I know who downvoted me but idgaf!
Well he’s getting benefits. At least you are not one of those cunts who strings guys on
Also, haters goanna hate... LOL
@MLGbreezy LOL I know you didn't downvote me, but I can't believe all these downvotes lol
@sonnysunshine oh hell no I'd have a real relationship with him if he was that type of guy, he's even cool with taking a mini break until the weather gets nicer <3
I got a friends with benefits going on right now. It’s a long distance thing where I see her when I’m in her state.
@sonnysunshine that's cool :) Sex is crucial...
No kidding. I treat her well on dates. There isn’t much drama.
I didn't I'd say
You are making women look bad
A real women like myself can pay for our dates. Saying that a man needs to pay is the same thing as saying a woman needs to be a housewife
Girl you're 16 and inexperienced. Dates to the playground dont count. have a seat 😂😂😆
@nubianqueen704 So you want guys to baby you and treat you like a princess? Lol grow up
@alone "apparently " you can't spell.😂😂sad
Dumb and dumber 😂😂
@nubianqueen704 she's not a troll we are friends @Alone-Forever
@nubianqueen704
Thanks my chick
@qowgirlq thank you girl.
@Alone-Forever I'm a troll?
Look up all my post have Photos and 80% of people like me
@alone looks like your comment got deleted 😂🤣😆😆 keep trolling and I'll get your whole account deleted. you're too old to be this pathetic , broke, uneducated, inexperienced, and unable to spell basic words like "apparently ".😂🤣. You resorted to calling me the "N" word assuming my race made you look like a racist
You two are why a lot of people think women are just weak and looking for a handout
@Tough chick you're the reason why people think women are stupid. I dont do run on sentences boo
@nubianqueen704 Do you need your daddy to save your ass from danger and treat you like a princess?
@Tough you need your momma to teach you how to be a lady and not a doormat.
@nubianqueen704 I am a tomboy who plays three sports (American Football, Basketball, and Softball)
I am no doormat, but the ladylike women are
@nubianqueen704
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ToughChick
I'm a tomboy I have a gun collection am a MMA fanatic and practicer. I play every sport possible
What's your point? What's that have to do with paying for dates? Your wires got crossed at some point. Are you going to by your own engagement ring too?
Are you sure your not gay?
I have a boyfriend
You are not a tomboy, you are high maintenance
High Maintenance yes I'm an expensive Tomboy. It works out for me. Don't waste your money if you want to pay for a man. Get a 🐕
At the same time that you are submitting to men and being a gold drigger. I will working my way up to the top
I'm a therapist lol
What else is going on
With 0 debt
I let a man pay for that too...😂
@ToughChick
You will be working for his dinner sadly my love
Oh really
I thought that you were a housewife lol
No I'm single
Im serious get that degree but don't be headstrong to the point your hurting yourself.
Independent doesn't mean paying for everything it means if you wanted to you could😀
Chicken nuggets and chips cost £1. I treat my women good.
Sounds like you have been around too many immature boys.
I guess
Not having to pay is part of the beauty of dating an older woman. The gesture of buying a woman anything is to say "look what I can give you if you go out with me" being 23 and still in university means I literally can't afford to spend 50 pounds on a date, so the notion doesn't hold up. Personally I would rather eat that week than have a woman think "isn't he sweet" especially when women can be quite fickle.
Suddenly you've spent your money on a girl who wants sombody else.
It's called 3rd wave feminism and the crazy "women" it creates. The first wave was voting rights, second wave was equality, and now the third wave is the war on "toxic" masculinity which is really just masculinity. Oh and apparently there's no such thing as "toxic" femininity either. lol
Because women work and make money just like men now. Women talk about equality and being independent and all that but still expect the guy to pay. I think a lot of guys wouldn't mind paying though. It's women's attitude about it like they're entitled to have the guy pay for them that's a turn off. Some women say they would refuse a second date from a man who didn’t pay. That attitude makes the guy want to not pay.
I still pay but I know some guys stopped offering because they kept getting preached to about "equality" by feminists. Naturally that's not what women had in mind, but it's definitely a byproduct of that mindset. "If I'm expected to pay then that's not equality. Women want equality, therefore I won't pay for her."
The rules of engagement due to upbringing or lack thereof ways to be were dropped and more taught so t h. g ere is a direction of non interest to the degree we are on the same page why do I have do more and you don't? You were raised with scruples awareness and what actually works. That's why you are yourself with anyone so this way if there is a disagreement you can rectify it immediately and thus now you know the particulars to help you see what's right and right for you.
I believe if a guy asks a woman out, he should pay. Let’s face it, there is a descepency in women to men wages for the the skill set and title. If a man asks me out, he should be prepared to pay since it is his request because I have other options and places to be but choose to be there upon his request - not of my own free, sell will decision, especially when a female has a child that she needs to pay a sitter so she can go can on a date that he requested.
You dont say.. the legendary WAGE GAP?
So men should pay on dates because women choose lower paying jobs and/or work few hours? That doesn't seem right. + strangers shouldn't be responsible for your kids. That is your responsibility. Just because a guy asks you out doesn't mean he has other options. Your time is no more valuable than his. That self entitlement is problematic. Additionally, you can't really use the "whoever asks pays" argument because women almost never ask. When women ask at the same rate then that should apply.
Women choose? LMAO. ahhhh to be 21.
Women don’t ask Maddow because we don’t need man. Women lead very full lives. If a man – and I said MAN – asked me out, I expect him to pay. I have a plethora of other options including doing laundry as that is. much more exciting than being out on a “Dutch date”. I am reserving time upon his request.
If I wanted to go Dutch, I would go out with my GIRLS where I am guaranteed to have a blast and come home to my vibrator, where I am guaranteed to get off.
otherwise, if you can’t afford to take me out, then don’t ask and sit your ass home. I, as a Woman, got it. Woman can do it all without the man - have a baby, raise a child, have multiple fantastic orgasms, have fulfilling relationships, make our money, do our laundry, and repeat.
Your expectation of allowing a women pay to be there for you Entrrtainment is problematic as it is making the male. species weak and obsolete in the world of a woman.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh my god!!! this is... she is the purest manifestation of this whole fckn century of genderwars!!
you should make speeches in tv to make a change in society! if all men knew this shit as it is men would change this world in a generation, please get a carreer in politics!
You do realize it takes 2 to make a baby, right?😂
And if guys wanted to pay for a for someone they would just higher a hooker. They are cheaper than most girls anyways, and you don't have to put up with them.
furthermore, guys can go out with friends too and have a good time. Men don't need women we just need sex😂.
So men are expected to pay, plan dates and be funny, yet you say women are their for mens entertainment? Seems the other way around to me. Look around at all the buildings in your area. Men weak 😂😂. Stop projecting your insecurities of yourself and others women on men😂😂
You also seem to be neglecting the fact that many women complain that they can't find a man. Lot of women that share the same opinion as you end up alone and bitter, because they can't find a man. Men that don't find a women live an amazing life. They drink, gamble, party and have sex. Women tend to be agaisnt buying for sex and they loose their sex appeal more than men when they get older, and can't even get any thr way they use to.😂
@nathanp97 you seriously sound like a whining pussy and are a disgrace to men. yeah it takes two to make a child BUT it is the WOMAN that takes care of the child, rears that child and makes all the sacrifices. WOMEN are majority custodial parent for a reason.
Yesssss girl...
@nathanp97 LOL like I said if you can't afford to take a woman out, then don't ask. By your response of "men ask women", clearly women are not asking you out. you want all the benefits of the pussy and expect dutch. LMAO no thank you!
Got to love self entitled women. Enjoy being single
@nathanp97 I am neglecting anything. the question was why don't men pay. Don't know how feminism got into dating but it shouldn't have. as a gentleman as it has been customarily in history, there is a courtship - not dutch (LMAO). perhaps you were not taught that because you came from an absentee father home with the single independent woman was the face of both the mom and dad but look it up. That how it used to be. That type of man is dying because of the lack men that stick around.
As technology advances, women do not need men. Vibrators take care of the orgasm, friendships and women power take care of the feminism, education takes care of the careers. Woman have the advantage. We don't need men. Even for having a baby or raising one.
Intelligent men know this, women have power because we have the pussy. End game.
@nathanp97 you are showing your age. let's see your tune in 20 years. You forget women like me are raising a daughter. The women we are raising will not ever need a man to pay dutch. LMAO if they ever will need one except for pure entertainment.
omg. ladies, with all the respect, that is just not reality, thats ideology.
women makes no more sacrifice than men, when its your kid its in your blood to love them, care for them, regardless of your gender. its just human.
Men pays. men pays for everything they can for their child, many times even more than that. and a child - statistically speaking - is yet the simple best risk management for financial security of a woman, if the father is relatively rich. custody through jurisdiction is ridiculously biased, it has nothing to do with sensible thinking nor facts, i work with lawyers, I've seen it all. they want the father to pay and the mother to raise them, pscicologically thats not for the best interest of the child, thats for the best interest of the mother.
Women can't have it both ways. You can't have equal pay, work and expect to not have to pay your way in this world. Guys are fine without girls and there are single fathers. You say you don't need men, but why do so many women bleed guys dry with alimony and child support?
Men didn't use to leave women that often, but self entitled women like you started to emerge and now you can't really blame guys for leaving. Not to mention women (depending on where you live) have the right to choose to be patients. Guys don't ever have this choice. If they don't want the kid they still get stuck with child support.
@Northern_star I work with attorneys too. the fact is women are raising these boys. we have coddled them and this is the end result. the lack of a male role model is apparent.
Women don't need men. Technology and current society views have given women all the advantages to have the man obsolete (if we so choose to).
congratulations.
@Alone-Forever if only that could be done as I would love to see that. men raising children without any female help from birth to independence. I wonder what woman essential component would be missing.
@Alone-Forever as well how much therapy it would take for that child be society acceptable. would be a very interesting experiment from a healthy distant distance.
@Alone-Forever I believe we discovered the root reason. These guys that “allowing” women to pay on a date that requested for are guys that are boys. Boys that were brought up in 1997 on with by the strong single female with absent fathers and possibly grandfathers.
The reality is this:
In 1997, there were a total of 1,163,000 divorces granted in the United States. That's 4.3 per one thousand of the population. There are currently 19,400,000 divorced adults (1998). The median age at divorce is 35.6 for Males and 33.2 for females. The median duration of a marriage is 7.2 years.
These guys lack a male role model to show them what has been traditionally been passed down in generations…how to be a gentleman and have chivalry. It’s soo apparent throughout this post. That is the root, the males up to 25 years are primary parent was a self-made feminist who wore the role of a mother and father, which created these “softboys”
I was born in 1997, my parents are still married, and there is no way if pay for someone like you. If I ask a girl out on a first date I'd likely pay, assuming I didn't hate her and she didn't order something to expensive.
Also, why do you think men can't raise kids. How sexist are you. You seem to be over estimating women and underrepresented men.
I’ve yet to have met a man that can raise a child from a baby to college. I have nene met one.
So your entire reasoning is that you don't know good men? Many men can, just like many women can. It is just that most men aren't given the chance, and have way more barriers which makes it harder.
Probably because all women want equal to men so yes they should pay for their own food.
If I was on a date I'd at the very least pay for my own food
So in that case if he pays for your food you have to do what he says?
You just don't like a women who thinks for herself and has control of what she does.
@Johnnie1000 sorry you weren't on update
I'm confused...
What is her point?
She's basically saying that men should still pay even though women want equality
If women are going to be like this one who m's called witty... bla bla bla don't know what her nickname was... for sure their going to pay and that's if she ever gets a date 1st... and if a girl is going to defend such rat, she will be worst then her!
By the way this question was asked a hundred of times and like i always say, a woman who is with me never pays also so she be ready to accept the fact that her future man is going to be responsible for her, taking good care of her and providing for her... cause she's going to become a housewife... at least with me this is the way.
I don't know how other guys do thing but I was raised with the understanding that Real Men always paid for the entire date that he planned for the date but always try to be prepared for the unexpected (carry credit cards or lots of cash) impromptu date changes
It's because a lot of women want to be independent and have screamed quite loud about it and guys are listening and following. Women have fought very hard for equality and now their getting it having to foot half the bill. Then you have the third wave of Feminism.
Two little bitches pipe up.
@HereIbe 💓 well you know ladies are sensative. I knew they would like that. Thank you for standing when u pee
A gentleman will pay when we are on a date with a lady, not a woman. Like attracts like, leaving the rest out of the loop. Consequently, we are left with just chicks and dudes. Ironically, while the dudes know that their not gentleman, some of these women are under the false impression that they're ladies, not chicks. The title of "lady" or "gentleman" are earned, not owed. This is a lesson that many women are learning the hard way.