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Why don't men pay for dates anymore? (Page 2)
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I don't know if they do, but I think a would offer to pay, for the sake of being polite.
Why should someone pay, because 'they're the guy', especially on a first date, sexist much?
Good to see a lot of women here agree with me too.
cause women wanted to be equal. you can't be equal and expect him to pay. it's either one or the other.
I would guess a lot of guys feel as though they get screwed over. Solution: Cheap/free dates.
Exactly go on a walk
You are a gold drigger who needs a man to do anything for you
A big turn off
No free food for you
Pay for your own fucking food
Because A: were moving away from traditional gender roles and B: men no longer make up almost 99% of the work force. Back in the olden days, most women didn't work to earn money, so it was up to men to pay for dates since most women were unable too. Also back than one income was enough to support a family compared to today where it takes multiple incomes to support a family hence the need for both men and women to pay for dates.
Equality Act 2010
States that no gender superior than the other. Which means paying for women means they're less capable for paying for themselves. Now we shouldn't discriminate against women as it's unlawful 😁😉
@valualty
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me and you are known for perfectly following laws😂
Big time 😋
Pride isn't built up by paying for you. Considering it as pride, you should be glad you got asked out on a date in the first place.
Oh look, another woman trying to shame men into buying them shit. Dating should be Dutch until she proves she's worth spending money on. Otherwise it's a waste of money.
Oh look, another broke loser wondering why he single?🤷♀️
@nubianqueen704 I have a girl, but thanks. I'm not the one that needs free meals unlike you 😂
If you did you wouldn't be on gag all day like you've been.. come up with a better lie
@nubianqueen704 what? I've barely used this website in the past few months. But if it makes you feel better okay. People with money don't spend it on broke women who have entitled attitudes
Because they're not obliged to
Or they know how to spot a golddigger
Or they meet women who are so desperate to impress that they buy for the guy instead
I would pay for the dates, but I'm 50. It's undoubtedly due to their new expectation of equality of the sexes. Note that young women are now making more money on average than young men.
These days its all about equality and equal income. Which means equal pay. If i initiated the date i don't mind paying after all its me asking her out.
I believe it's because boys are no longer being raised to be men. Call it feminism, PC culture, or liberalism, this is one of the results.
Me, I pay for the first date, usually for the first 3.
Love the last update.
I just said the same thing. these whiney young boys were not shown properly how to be a man because they had a lack of a male role model in their lives. They are being raised by the single strong mother that has to make seem seemless so baby boy can grow up coddled and not notice there is no daddy on the scene to show them the ropes of how to be a man. The end result is what we are reviewing on this post of those that are 18 to 21 - don't have enough experience yet to even have a seat at the table to have an opinion.
If you ask the guy out do you think you should pay?
And when you are in a relationship do you think you should take turns paying?
It isn't pride... its that people are equal
Right, equal. That's why we are the only ones paying. Because we're equal...
@SirRexington No one is forcing you to pay. And if she doesn't cover the next time then she isn't a keeper. Unless she has no money in which case I'm happy to pay.
I had an ex that earned more than me and she thought I should always pay... fuck that!
I think at least she could pay for my food and i pay for hers.
@SirRexington Whats the point of swapping? I pay for your burger and you pay for my steak. In that case why not pay for your own meal.
I never ask a guy out or like I said 1/4 of time
When you do ask a guy out... do you pay?
That's part of the problem though. Not only are we expected to pay but we are expected to do all of the initiating.
I've never ask a guy out nor would I ever
@SirRexington yes it's called being a man we have to have children. Life's not fair
Life's not fair is a bullshit argument. It's our job as a society to make it more fair for ourselves and others.
And what does you "having to have children" have to do with anything? No one HAS to have children. And more importantly, we choose when we want to have children, or at least should.
And what does being a man have to do with this?
Yes and over 90% of work related deaths are men, the world is definitely not symmetrical.
Are you willing to pick up the check on the second date?
I do after 2 or 3 dates give I'm a break yes. I also spoil my guys they want for nothing
That's great that you spoil him. People should spoil each other.
Is he paying for 2/3 or 3/4 of every meal forever?
If he is paying more than you do... are you spoiling more than he does?
Or is that the price he just has to pay for being the male in a male female relationship?
Especially if having babies hasn't been established?
Pretty much yeah
Yes to paying most of the meals or yes to spoiling him more than he does?
Or both?
I'm likely down if its both... IF our finances are good.
But if it is just me paying... probably not.
Women wanted equality.
"If I wanted to pay for a man I would just get a male prostitute."
What does this say about women who expect men to pay?
Because women earn just as much as men these days, especially under 25.
Why should the guy pay? Today guys and girls have as much or as little money, so paying for dates should either be split or as they get to know each other better, they could take turns paying.
I think the argument of a guy not paying for a date is something found here in G@G more so than in "the real world"
😂😂🤣🤣😆
Feminism has destroyed men's pride, self-confidence and sense of responsibility to themselves, their families and their lovers. This generation is replete with effeminate incels and fuckboys. There are no gentlemen left.
I always pay, no matter if it’s on a date with a girl or if I’m having lunch with buddies.
@xTom98
Thank you Tom
I guess the question really is, how desperate are you to go out with sub-25 year old guys at the ripe are of 30, ain't it?
I don't see anything wrong with that- they're all adults. Since when is a 30 year old woman old?
@Logorithim Did I say old?
Generally I wouldn't have a problem with age gaps. But a 30 year old woman dating an 18-25 year old young man just SCREAMS she is looking for men who haven't reached their sexual peak yet, because her beauty is vaning, and men in her own age group just aren't interested in her anymore.
It takes two to tango. If both are getting what they want from it and neither is exploiting the other, who am I to judge?
@Logorithim
I'm 22.
I'd make the case that she could very well. be exploiting me, or someone my age, if she was to date me. She has vastly more experience in life, sexually too, and she has financial independence, just to mention a few things. I know I would be rather hard to influence, but there are guys who would totally be out of their depth.
If a 30 year old guy was dating a 22 year old girl, you'd say he's an older creep dating college chicks. Well... I would anyway, and many other people too.
Actually, I am not personally fazed by age gaps, and, honestly, if someone is getting "exploited" for company and sex (which are both a two-way street), I wouldn't be too concerned since there is some real exploitation out there that is much worse than that.
I also don't think a normal young adult is going to be traumatized by some liasions or relationships with women somewhat older than him, plus he might even learn some things about women that he would not otherwise have learned from dating an 18 year old.
@Logorithim So you'd be happy if your 18, 20, 22 years old daughter was going out with a 30 year old man? You absolutely wouldn't be suspicious?
His age would not faze me, especially if she is 22. My concern would be whether they're compatible (an issue regardless of age) and whether he treats her with respect.
Just out of curiousity, what age women do you think it's appropriate for me to date at my age?
@Logorithim I would actually draw the line at 24 or 25. Usually by that age people are financially independant and mature enough to control their lives. Before that many people take degrees, which means they are relatively inexperienced in life. Of course there are people who mature faster, but generally 24-25 is a good lower limit. Above that, I'd say date whoever you want. I'll still judge a 24 year old woman dating a 65 year old man (gold digger?) or a 25 year old guy dating a 40-50 year old woman (Oedipus complex?), but I wouldn't say that either of them are exploited.
@Wowgirl10q
Well, that's nice. So if the guy doesn't pay your dates, he isn't even a man, and as good as a prostitute? Nice. Ok, so apparently if a guy DOES pay for dinner, the woman automatically loses her dignity, and must provide sexual favours? Please. explain that to feminists. I bet a lot more guys would. pay for dates if it guaranteed sexytime at the end.
It is outdated to force a guy to pay
Get with the times
Because they shouldn’t be required to pay, in my opinion people should pay for their own food unless someone else offers to. Don’t ever assume someone is going to buy your food, it seems rude.
Women wanted equal rights, we’re getting it, we wanted to be independent, how are we supposed to be independent if we can’t even buy our own food? If a guy offers to buy your food, then that’s fair enough, but just because he doesn’t doesn’t mean he doesn’t have pride.
I don't like to pay for other people. I could do it in a date, if the girl doesn't expect it. If she expects it, I think it's a bit arrogant. Not a matter of money, but a matter of principle.
Update: I can't see how my principles about money make me less of a man and also you wouldn't have to pay for anyone else than yourself. You said that if you would be paying "He's the b***h and it's my show after all I'm paying", does it mean that if I pay for a girl, she's my b***h?
I agree with you about a lot of stuff, but not about this one. No wonder, because I don't know anyone, who I would fully agree with.
It's ok dear I still love you
Yay 😘
I guess it's their choice really.
I wouldn't mind splitting the bill or something to be honest :)
I keep getting told im a sexist biggot if i do and when i offer to or make the move to pay for both i get in shit 🤔🤷♂️
Why the hell do you think men would always pay for dates? That just makes you a entitled little bitch.
Thank feminism for that. It's equality for women 😂
But in general I do agree with you. I just assume I'm paying unless she says otherwise.
In your words: "If I wanted to pay for a man I would just get a male prostitute."
"I assume the guy pays"
Sweetheart the only thing we assume is you see yourself as a prostitute.
I have never dealt with this problem. Perhaps other guys need to be shown that you don't pay neither for a first date either.
equality. i mean isn't that the point of feminism? for women to be treated the same as men. so why would you expect a guy to give you special treatement by paying for dates and all that.
I don't know, in my case the girl usually offers to split the bill but I pay anyway. Then again I don’t really date often or at all anymore
You can thank feminism for the privilege to pay for your own meals and go to work for the rest of your life. Ain't this great!
First to whine about wanting equality and then the first to whine when that equality means finally paying for her own shite. LOL. Amazing.
lol, the women of this forum..
Want equality, until it comes time to pay the bill
The guys on here want a date yet come through😂🤣😆
I am looking for a sugar mommy to pay for my monthly expenses. Contact me at brownsugar@baby. com. Christmas discount on my fees is coming up soon;)
Update: bitches aren't digging brown sugar these days even though it's healthy. No wonder women are getting obese.
Because you're supposed to be independent. You're supposed to be this strong woman I heard so much about. If that's what you want then you pay your meal. If not then the guy who financially supports you is in charge and you do whatever the fuck he says.
Because women constantly screamed at me, that they can buy their own shit, everytime I wanted to pay.
So I just stopped.
Why do you put a really sketchy selfie in every post
Because she likes the smell of her parts, mixed with the wet-pussy-stench she emits, when she smells said farts.
*farts, although I guess parts is fitting too
@Journeyman11 Jesus fucking Christ
Any date or subsequent dates? Some guys try to encourage the girl to pay after the first few since she has a vested interest and probably a job. Not all guys, just some
Glad I read the whole thing. I was going to ask when that started. Basically it's "when did men stop being gentlemen?"
Left their wallets and pride at home
Apparently. The first time I heard of "going dutch" I was like wtf? But then I understood that some women will use it as a way to show their pride. But the guy not even offering to pay is ridiculous.
Thanks
@hindril I even pay for friends splitting bill is psycho to me. Just pay next time I can afford it. I don't need 10$ for a sandwich
We women can pay for our dates
We do not need a man to pay for us
I think that would be because so many women nowadays freak out when the man offers to pay. Something about 'stripping them of independence' or some shit.
IN RESPONSE TO THE UPDATE : Holy fucking shit, lady, if men are unpaid whores to you no wonder they don't pay for you. The feeling... Is mutual. You absolute skank.
IN RESPONSE TO UPDATE NUMBER 2: Yeah, pretty sure any guy who isn't sleepwalking stands up to piss! Novel ideaaaaa
Honey don't let your estrogen levels get so high your A mess my love
I love how this woman almost twice my age can't spell "oestrogen" or use commas correctly, and yet still feels the need to inform me that I am a mess...
Just a friendly hint, maybe you will understand the second time around: When you treat guys poorly, or hold them in such poor esteem as to compare a date to hiring a jiggalo, you are naturally attracting some serious shit your way.
Oh, and on a side note : My baritone voice is enough for me to know that my oestrogen is just fine.
Really lady, I normally try to be kind or at least unbiased, but the things you say are inexcusable. I hope you learn to better yourself, or you will spend your life in meaningless hookups with people who treat you as a whore, as you treat them, until your looks fade completely and you are left entirely alone.
I'm a therapist actually but go on
Lady, if you are a therapist why is footing the bill sometimes such a problem for you? You probably have much more spending capability than the majority of the men you date.
This is a partially Jewish person (who definitely serves the stereotype of loving his money) telling you to stop being so Jewish with your money. And to stop considering your whores as equilavents to men who are actually looking for a romantic relationship.
Because it's very easy to put men at a disadvantage that way. As a guy you could end up paying for dates with women and if for whatever reason it doesn't work out then you just wasted money. Women like you obviously know this which is why you don't have to pay. But we do.
I can pay for my dates thank you very much
Me too but why would you want to?
I make more money than him and I do not need a guy to pay for my dates
😆😆 so basically you're with a guy you have to take care of? you're better off having a kid. Its called etiquette didn't your father teach you that? if a man takes you out he needs to pay for the dinner.
Now, if you two are in a committed relationship there's nothing wrong taking turns here and there
@alone I'm not black but @Pink2000 the moderator is 😂🤣.
@Alone-Forever
Pinks one of my best friends no more N words
I don't know where you are from but we don't talk like that here I will get really bitchy really quick I've already blocked someone over this question
he's childish resorting to insults because he knows we are right
@nubianqueen704 I don't like the N comment at all I know he is very white I don't roll like that. Again thank you
You're welcome girl he's ignorant. he doesn't represent "all " white people at all.
@Alone-Forever why would you say that
@Pink2000 I said it's not happening. I was not going to upset you unless needed. Becaues he's stupid love
@nubianqueen704 pink knows I lv her
I am an independent woman
I do not need a guy to take care of me
No you're a stupid woman whose getting used.
@nubianqueen704 Oh honey, being independent is not the same as getting used
Lmao so since you pay for your own date that makes you independent?
@Pink2000 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Drop the mic
You all three are just little girls who need a man to do anything for you
This is 2018 not 1958
I can take care of myself Thankyou kindly. 😊. I’m just saying just cause you pay for your own dates does not make you independent. it doesn’t 🤷♀️
@Pink2000 It does because I am making my own money. I do not live off of no one
Damn so if someone else pays for your date you’re automatically “living off of them” ? Do you feel empowered or something?
@Nature beauty yeah you making money while your boyfriend is taking it and most likely cheating on u😆😆😂
@Pink2000 your the only sain female in your age group I swear. I lv ya
Thankyou 💕
@nubianqueen704 He’s my fiancé. Not be a hater that I do not need a man to take care of me or pay for my dates.
Amazing
@Nature ofcourse he's your fiance. id marry you too if you were paying all the Bills.😆😆
@nubianqueen704 lmao
😆😆
@nubianqueen704 that was awesome👍👍👍
@Pink2000 lmao
He bought you a sandwich
That means your dependent 😂
@Pink2000 f me that was funny
😂🤣..
@nubianqueen704 if buying you a sandwich means your dependent. I've promised myself to 80 men😁
Because we don't need to
Most women are greedy bitches these days so no thank you, I'm not spending money on a girl's meal just so she leaves me a couple of days after
How about you girls get some fucking pride and pay for your own food? -_-
Oh nice update
So I must fuck a girl after I pay for her meal?
That's some good logic
Or just be quiet
Gorgeous pic by the way...
I don't think it's pride. This whole equality campaigns have come home to roost, there was lots of positives, here are some of its negative effects...
Nowadays most girls and boys hate each other because of modern stuff came lately, it's up to men to pay for women since men on average make more and are supporters , I never let a woman pay for me.
Splitting the bill evenly or even each person paying for what they specifically ordered is the best option in my opinion. One person shouldn't be expected to front the bill because of their gender.
I want a relationship where we both contribute equally and give our 100%. I don't desire a traditional relationship by any means.
Because a lot men nowadays believe women are goldiggers when that isn't the case at all.
Being chivalrous is a becoming a lost trait.
I mean I ain't saying she's definitely goldigger but if she wants you to pay for everything she's probably a goldigger
@fuzzy you're obviously inexperienced. Did she say "everything?" No she didn't. please get an education.
@Nubianqueen704 Thank you for clarifying my statement.
a lot of people downvoted me but if you read some of the responses from the men on this question... sadly it just proves my point of this particular mindset. Especially from some of the younger ones on here.
Not all of course but a few.
The men on here clearly can't read, broke, bitter and uneducated. They wonder why they can't get a woman.
Its unfortunate and they are ready to verbally attack those who think differently. I mean so what, if its 2018? It's no reason to shun those who hold some traditional values.
I bet some wouldn't recognise a good woman if they were to see one.
Exactly, and this is why a they all lonely and can't get a date
They don't? I still do! Every freakin' time I go on a date or even when hanging out with a female friend
you were brought up right.
Younger women are less demanding and have lower standards.
Appearantly
I see it with my cousins and the losers they date. If you are 25, not disabled, yet unemployed, uneducated or getting there, and living with your mama, then you are a loser.
Thank you social media for turning men into beta males
I like you
No you don't. I'm the alpha beta 🤣
Hahaha noooo
Why don't women cook or clean for me? Why are women not more sexually generous?
Why don't women do stuff for me and give me stuff?
I want stuff!
By the way, you're too ugly to pay for. And you obviously don't have any redeeming character traits.
She's actually a very interesting person. And you're wrong about her looks.
@Logorithim
I think she looks like a dog. And if she wants a high quality man, she'd better come to terms with that, and start changing her attitude. Sadly, she's dumb as a sack of potatoes on top of it.
So stop protecting her from reality, or she'll have no shot at figuring anything out at all. Just because YOU are thirsty as shit, doesn't change the fact that the problems she has finding a long term relationship are probably HER fault, and NOT exclusively, and ALWAYS the fault of the men who can't stand her.
If her ovaries dry up forever before she's good enough to be any respectable man's girlfriend, it's because of people like you, who tell her that she's more than perfect already, and that EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PROBLEM she has with men, is the mens fault.
LOL, I knew you'd go ad hominem on me. I have a girlfriend, so I am not trying to hit on her, but you've really been rude and unfair to her, which is why I said something. You don't know her personal circumstances, so don't make assumptions.
@Logorithim
Her circumstance matter SHIT.
People don't consider circumstances when chosing a partner. They judge EXACTLY what's infront of them.
And this girl is entitled, narcissistic, not very bright, not very pretty, at the end of her fertility window, and shifting ALL the blame on men. If you are her friend, do her a favor and give her a little constructive wake up call, before it is TOO LATE.
End of her fertility window? Are you serious? She's 30, not 40.
And you've made a snap judgement of what's in front of you that isn't an informed one. So she isn't your cup of tea- that's fine, no is suitable for everyone.
@Logorithim
Yeah, with 40 there's a good chance the child will have even less grey matter than her.
And I don't only mean her ability to have children.
I mean the prime of her physical beauty, her youth.
From here on out, it will only deteriorate.
... What little there is to deteriorate.
Could be all them T H O T s who go on dates just to get a free meal.
Or maybe you just broke. period if you can't afford to take a woman out then you need to be alone. duh
Nah I don't care about paying for a date, but it should be a date and not just me buying someone lunch.
You sound very inexperienced.
I'd bet a lot of money that you are one of the Thots I called out above.
I bet a lot of money you're an ugly virgin troll who still lives at home and has callous on his hands from beating his shrimp sized meat to porn
🤣🤣 nice try
Lol have fun dieing alone with nothing but the herp derp.
Because women play independant but the wrong way. They think they are only respectable because they have a job.
Honestly the women I've dated I always paid for the first date but later on we just take turns or she tells me not to pay and she pays instead
I am always prepared to pay but splitting the bill is my preferred option but if I have to pay that is fine too.
You are NOT entitled to a free meal. We are not providers of free meals to women.
How about a quid pro quo, we pay for the food, when we get at least a bj out of it? Then it's a win-win, if not. Then you are just another man hater, who just wants to use us for money.
@Alone-Forever
Can we meet in the middle with a 69 then yes lol
Why do women say they want to be equal in everything and then are shocked when guys want to split the bill to be "equals"