Do you agree with this transgender girl list on benefits of dating a trans girl?

[Anonymous]

YES

NO

[SentientBrick]

1,2,4,5,7 are bull shit, and make wide ignorant assumptions on a broad and diverse group of people. I agree with 3 except the assertion they are female. They are TRANS women. 6 I can see how some may view this as a down side but I want children and I don't mind being supportive of my SO during that time of the month. Lords know she has to put up with me being a grump and or moody every once and again.

(PS: I have no problem with transgender people. If they are happy with who they are then I say good on em! But I will not agree that they are on some base level superior to average women. I think they should be judged and viewed as we all are : individuals with their own strengths and weakness.)

Respectfully,
- Mr. brick

[Rogzi]

I couldn't even make it though the dumb ass list.

1) easier to get along with.
Bullshit
2) more open minded
More damaged actually
Didn't hear 3
4) more feminine?
What the fuck? How? Hahaha
You're a guy.

I couldn't get past that. It was just too dumb.

[CarpetDenim]

I only agreed with the first few. Past number 3 I thought they were all BS, except for the period one.

Even with all these “benefits” though, it doesn’t matter. If someone has a penis, whether they identify as male or female, cisgender 100% straight men are biologically incapable of being fully sexually attracted to them. Heterosexual men sexually prefer biological women, AKA people with vaginas. A transgender woman would have better luck if she instead pursued bisexual or pansexual men.

[cykasenpai]

By the way, you might agree with the first few, because you're a girl, but I'd say guys don't.

[Anonymous]

I dated a few transexuals being nisexual myself but it was too much work, they constantly need validation and are real drama queens. Also they either all have a serious mental conditions or medication and hormones they take mess them up. A transexual man I dated started getting very violent in the end.

[mermaidrocketship]

Violence is never okay, but it’s probably all that testosterone. Men can’t even handle taking extra doses. How is a female to make transgender supposed to handle that? I feel like they’re hurting themselves pretty badly with it.

[Jager66]

@mermaidrocketship That is partially false about the testosterone, it's a common misconception.

In actuality testosterone has a strong pro social effect on behavior in the absence of a threat.

Men also do not naturally develop relational aggression, while women do beginning at age 2.

Male and Female brains are also physically different, largely between grey and white matter. Grey matter, higher in men's brains, while white matter is used more in female brains, the difference this causes is significant.

So women taking test is probably something that needs a lot more research and no doubt it seriously fucks things up.

[firefop]

@Jager66 to be fair normal levels of gender specific primary hormones are 1/10th in the opposite sex. This means that the average man has 10x the testosterone as the average woman. So yes, mega-dosing is going to fuck anyone up.

[AviatorTom]

What list? I don't see one.

[Siri137]

Neither do I, but I notice this question is from over a year ago.

[Investigator]

"I am so sick of guys saying they won't date transgender women or that they're not gay... and I am OVER it, like so over it, because they are to be respected"

Uh, no you're not. Unless by "OVER it" you mean, "sick of letting men get to decide who they can and cannot date". You are free to do what you want to your own body, but you are NOT free to lecture other people on who they get to be with, just because you have gender dysphoria. I'm sorry and that sucks, but my sympathy ends where your entitlement begins. I respect your right to be trans, but I will not be guilted into finding you attractive and nothing you say or do will change my mind.

"I think a lot of guys don't really realize how many benefits there are to dating a transgender girl..."

There are literally no benefits to dating a transgender girl. In fact, you go on to say "there will be disadvantages and things that suck, that biological couples that don't have to go through", so not only are there NO benefits--meaning we don't even start at baseline--but there are disadvantages, so we'd be actively participating in behaviors that would produce a net loss. Great.

"... there are lot of things as well that we can offer that cisgendered females can't", I STRONGLY doubt that, but I'll humor you. Go on...

1) "We are easier to get along with than your average girl", she just called out Your Average Girl for being a pain in the ass. That is not a point for trans-women people, that is a point AGAINST women in general

2) "We are much more open-minded than cis gendered girls", what the hell does that even mean? "We're willing to try new things and who are we to judge?" Clearly not; this entire diatribe simultaneous makes demands and judgments of cis gender men. You can't have it both ways.

3) "We are very strong on the inside and we've been through a lot", ALSO not a point in favor of trans people. Show me one person who hasn't faced hardship of some kind and I will show you a fantastical utopia called "In your dreams"

4) "We are more feminine than your average girl", that couldn't be more of a contradiction if you said "black is the new white". If I put on makeup, does that make me more feminine? "We like getting our nails done, doing our hair...", would that just make you a gay dude who's really into fashion?

5) "We appreciate the little things more, like holding our hands in public...", again, NOT a point in favor of trans-women. Straight women do this as well, only if they want

6) "We cannot get pregnant, for obvious reasons", not being able to get pregnant is NOT a plus, it's also a negative. If I'm with a girl, I want to have the option of getting her pregnant. If this means you don't have a vagina, that's an additional negative.

7) "We don't get periods", might be the ONLY positive of dating a trans-women... unless, this is because--as already explained--there is no vagina

8) "Anal 100% of the time", so is this confirmation of "no vagina"? I mean, I'm not a sexpert or anything, but I'd wager that anal vs vagina sex feels very different and your average guy would prefer vagina more than 50% of the time. "as we're developing as a society, a lot of straight men are into anal", maybe in porn, but the straight men on average are still probably not THAT progressive. Also, comment if you're a guy and give a ratio of your vagina vs anal interest. "... a lot them actually prefer it to vaginal sex", [citation needed]. "there's no other way that we can have sex really", that's suppose to be a good thing?

"So, I hope I may have opened up some of your minds a little bit", let's see here:
A) Only 1/8 of your claims was valid, but you get points on a technicality
B) Two of your "actually points" was just negatives against women (which your are trying to portray yourself as "one of", so self-discount by extension)
c) Majority of your points apply to gay men just as easily, so no points given

Final Results: D-*

*Points for effort

[Burgerboy21]

I tried to have an open mind and listened to all the arguments presented in this video but as expected, my mind remains unchanged. I will still respect trans people by their preferred pronouns, but I can't ever date a trans female, simply because your genes, not society, still say you're a male, regardless of what kind of modifications you attempt or how feminine your personality is.

As for each of the eight presented arguments, I have a response to each one:

1. " We are easier to get along with than your average girl."
This is very untrue. I've found that I REALLY need to watch what I say around trans people, more so than than average cis males or females. It's their feelings that take priority above all else in any social situation.
2. "We are more open-minded than cis-gendered girls and more willing to try new things."
I can't exactly prove you wrong but I seriously doubt it, especially since this argument isn't backed up whatsoever.
3. "We are very strong on the inside and we've been through a lot."
I don't doubt you've been through a lot, but the part of being strong on the inside is arguable. Reason being, words tend to hurt way too much. Unfortunately common sense should be enough to know that's a sign of weakness rather than strength.
4. "We are more feminine than your average girl"
No. You're not more feminine: you're more insecure. Trans women tend to (yes, I know they don't always) go WAY over the top with fashion which takes away from the femininity and the realism of it all. If you look like a diva rather than an average girl, then you become unbelievable and we suspect something. (Though I'll admit the person in the video did not do this.)
5. "We appreciate the little things more."
That's completely unrelated to whether you're cis or trans. I didn't get that growing up too, and I surely very much appreciate the little things.
6. "We cannot get pregnant."
That is a huge DISadvantage. And no, most guys don't agree with you either. Believe it or not, there are more men who want to become dads than those who don't. This "benefit" only appeals to f*ckboys.
7. "We don't get periods."
Yes, periods are an inconvenience, but one most of us are willing to deal with, whether it means waiting, working around, or in some cases even just working through it. But news flash: No periods = No pregnancies. Please refer for the above for the rest.
8. "Anal 100% of the time."
To me that just sounds like an individual preference. And she also said "There's no other way we can have sex." That statement alone contradicts this being a benefit. I want to have vaginal sex and so do many others.

Again, I tried to have an open mind.

[Belgie]

Choosing not to date you is not the same as not respecting you. Otherwise there's a fuckton of women out there who don't respect me. Where's my pity party?

As to her list :
Benefit 1 : My male friends are easier to get on with than the average girl. Doesn't mean I want to date them. (And I do respect them.)
Benefit 2 : Translation. You do anal. No shit sherlock.
Benefit 3 : EVERYONE has been through shit. You think women don't have baggage and damage from the shit they've gone through?
Benefit 4 : More feminine? Sorry, I'm calling utter bullshit on this.
Benefit 5 : You can tell this dude was a dude for a while, because he thinks women don't appreciate the little things. Women are ALL about the little things. To the point that most guys overlook the little things and focus on the big gestures.
Benefit 6 : Sorry, most guys want the possibility of a kid, one day. This is not a benefit.
Benefit 7 : No periods. That's more YOUR benefit than mine.
Benefit 8 : Anal again. 100% of the time? What, no oral?

These "perks" are not really perks. They do display a kind of naive wishful thinking on her part though.

And before anyone gets their nouveau 21st century knickers in a bunch, I'm pro trans rights, but that right doesn't include the automatic right to the entirety of the dating pool. Sometimes the guy you fancy doesn't like you back. That's life, not transphobia. Deal with it.

[DanoMR98]

I am a 100% ally of trans people. I want them to have every right and protection everyone else has. I see genuine transphobia as really disgusting bigotry.

That said, I do not agree with this video. I do not find myself inclined to date a woman that is not cisgendered. It just doesn't do it for me, and that's the way it is. I'm not the manliest guy, I am quite the rebel in fact, as far as gender norms go. But at the end of the day, despite my nail polish, several piercings, long hair, and slender framework with gender neutral clothing, I am still a straight man. I don't see any situation where I date someone who does not have the physiologically female genitals. I don't date someone to just be friends, I date someone I want a sexual and romantic relationship with. Most girl I date are bisexual, again, I have a lot of LGBT+ friends and people in my life. I just don't think I could reconcile my actual psychological needs and wants with what a transgendered girl (who may be a really great person) could offer.

I know people say that this preference is transphobic, but I disagree. I'm the last person who would be a bigot (but I imagine there are many unironic bigots in this thread, whose beliefs are really unfortunate). I'm trying to explain that I am a cis-hetero male, that's my sexuality. I did not choose this, but I only date cisgendered women for that reason.

[genericname85]

well i know it hurts their feelings if people feel gay for liking a transgender woman, cause a transgender women is litterally nothing but a man pretending to be a girl.

obviously they're easier to get along with, cause you're a bro and bros think alike, that doesn't make me like dick.

they're more open to try stuff, cause they're a man xD i mean in the sense that they were socialized like a man being way more ok with sexual stuff, while women are more repressed.

every one goes through tough shit but yeah i can see how pretending to be a woman fucks you up, cause peoples reactions aren't nice most times.

i don't agree that you're more feminine than women at all. they just overact the female gender stereotypes to compensate for their glaring physical masculinity.

you don't get periods. yeah nice but you also don't have vaginas and can't have children so that's a deal breaker.

note: i didn't call them men to offend or provoke. i call them men cause they are biolobically and i have sympathy for the condition that makes you feel like your body is the wrong gender. i'm happy i don't have that and i probably won't ever understand how hard it is to live with that HOWEVER to me and to any biological definition gender isn't changeable. yeah you can have surgery and then what once was a penis will look somewhat like a vagina and hopefully you feel better like that but to me it's still a man.

[InTimoreDei]

1. Easier to get along with than CIS females.

I could never get along with an everyday trans "woman". Most of the are brainwashed. The only one I get along with is Blair.

2. Much more open minded that CIS girls.

That's not an absolute truth. Some people are open minded and some are not. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

3. Very strong women since they took risk of becoming trans even though they knew people would hate and persecute them.

Strong? A lot of trans folk are damaged and suicidal.

4. Accepts being feminine and try more to be pretty than the average girl

LOL. No. A lot of trans are not even close to being "pretty".

5. Appreciates the little things more like holding hands or kiss inn public and don't have expectation of money being thrown at them like many CIS women do.

I've never had trouble finding a real woman that appreciates the little things and aren't money hungry.

6. No periods

So? Periods are a NATURAL occurrence that most WOMEN go through. They have ovaries which cause that to happen. Trans do not... cuz... uh... they're not biological women.

7. Not slaves to hypergamy and more loyal.

More loyal? I've met many trans "women" that hop from relationship to relationship. They only care about sex.

[looneymalooney]

brainwashing, brainwashing, brainwashing and at one point the civilization will reach the moment where there will be no individuals, no traits, no identity, just heartless, robotic, dead on the inside and easy to herd around people.
What's the purpose? Fuck knows, but these trans people look like aliens depicted in the SciFi movies. .
Plus some other people trying to morph themselves into beings similar to aliens. And all this is served on a regular basis to children and teens on social media.
Mothers denying the sex of their children and "letting them choose".
It's clearly something going on, but hard to say what's the purpose.

[Gothd011]

I have nothing against trans or gays or whatever. But dude is wrong in so many ways. Not everyone you meet is going to date you so deal.
Not everyone is vibing with this loose trend either.
But most of this is bullshit. I bleed every month because... im a woman... biological. I can carry a baby because that what nature intended for me to do one day. Of course Im not suppose to EVER understand a MAN fully because we DO think different by nature. I will never buy that gender of the mind crap. Why is the world trying to outdo nature is beyond me. I know when I stand next to a man I naturally follow in my woman role without even thinking. without makeup.

Also, Any fellows who would date a transgender.
You gay. Sorry, not sorry You are just gay. It like a dude telling me he got a Corvette. But he shows me a model of it... on his bookshelf.
He has no corvette just a model. And the man you laying down with is a just... a model looking like a woman. but still a man.

[CuriousJC]

Of course people would disagree about trans women. People these days judge others by the outside on a person instead of focusing on the inside. I'm a gentleman and I respect all type of women including transgenders. To me, transgender women everyday women on the street regardless what they look like. Sometimes I think having a transgender girlfriend would be better than having a regular girlfriend. I consider it a challenge to date a transgender woman, to make her feel more and more like a regular everyday woman. Dating a transgender woman does not make a man homo regardless what anybody says. Transgender women are my favorite type of women. I'm not trying to sound like a freak or anything but when I took gentleman classes in both middle school and high school I learned how to respect all types of women and that includes transgenders.

[Ripper_E]

I agree with most of it, but none of those benefits would make me date one.

A transgender woman may put in extra effort to look good, but that's because they have to in order to avoid looking masculine.
They understand me because they were a boy for a good part of their lives. Enough said for me to say no there.
A don't desire anal sex. The only way I would take part in anal sex is if I'm with a woman that desires it.
I feel like an artificial vagina would freak me out and if they have a penis, that's a further indicator that they were born men.
Not having any "accidents" is great but I want to be able to impregnate a woman. If a woman can't have kids, that's okay, but that benefit doesn't make me want a transgender any more.

No problem with them as people, but I have no interest in dating them.

[Ogopogo]

Under no circumstance would I ever date someone who has deliberately mangled (or wants/intends to do so) their sexual features, endocrine system, and body chemistry. I would much rather just have a same-sex relationship. I have also been with people who are plagued with emotional problems, body issues, and identity issues and can tell you first hand that such people are best left to each other.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I think she can appeal to a lot of men. Especially those who don't want kids and love anal. But I think as a society we're not there yet and her net is much smaller than a cis woman's for partners.

I don't get why people say that men who date trans women are gay, especially if she's post op or looks like a biological woman. Gay men aren't attracted to femininity.

[Gothd011]

Because when you strip them both down... to the bare bones. It is only logical for people to see two men. So I don't think there any faulty thinking on that account. You can "FEEL" anything you want. The human brain process for judging or first impressions doesn't start with all the extra stuff. It starts on basic knowledge. We start that as children.

[MScifiwriter]

I totally and absolutely respects all gays, lesbians, and trans people. But this... this makes no sense to me. I AM a moderate liberal, but I am also big on logic and rationality. And... well, for me personally I prefer a woman who is BIOLOGICALLY as in naturally born as a woman. That's just simply my preference.

If other people have other preferences, good on them! To each their own!

[BeHappy1985]

At first I thought that transgender people are quite normal, like the rest of us, just have a mind/body switch, meaning a guy in a girls body and vice versa, but the more of them come out the more I think they are fucking mental. They idea of straight men being into girls with dicks is ludicrous and preposterous. They be ill in the head for sure.

[LoU_Hades]

1) wrong
2) open-minded is a wide term and 'he, she, xe' belittles natural women a lot with this opinion
3) partially true, but I single mother need to be hard inside hence it's not a point
4) hahaha... no... why Trans women believe that? Again belittling of natural women in my opinion
5) uh... soo... again they are more special than others...
6) well, some men love kids and want to have some
7) natural women have them and it's acceptable for me
8) no

[NineBreaker]

No. Just, no.
Just because I would rather be a voluntary celibate for the rest of my life than date you, doesn't mean that I disrespect you, or deny your humanity.

We all have dating preferences. Some are reasonable, and others are not. Nevertheless, it's none of your business.
Being attracted to a segment of the population (i. e. straight men) where the majority of them don't want to date you isn't their fault.
Get over yourself.

[worldscolide]

There are no benefits.. full stop end of story end of discussion. If I'm dating I want a biological woman because at some point i want kids, two men, no matter how many surgeries they have no matter how many hormones they take cannot have a child together..

[ShadowofRegret]

I will pass.

Also that man's statements regarding women, I do not care for...

I will take a woman over a mentally ill man. (Though he has my sympathies.)

[Anonymous]

1, 2, 5, 7 has nothing to do with gender and only depends on personality.
4 Can't accept being feminine, because they are not. Of course they have to try more than women, because without all that fake stuff they don't look like women.
6 No periods - no babies. It might be a good thing for some men, but definitely not all.
Don't know what to think about 5.