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Trans is usually binary so the "other" bs doesn't apply to them.However it does apply to some in the LGBT community it some way, but the label "other" is viewed negatively as it alienates them by the nature of the word "other".
in what way is a transgender person not living a lie post op? You are born one thing, you get surgery to look like another, superficially, but under the hood you are still what you are born as. How is that not a lie? Most everyone is living a lie these days tbh it's not just trannies, it's all of society. Every time a woman puts on makeup and takes a selfie with filter she's living a lie. And they are hurting somebody. They are hurting themselves. I agree that they have that right, and I would never attempt to control them in that sense, HOWEVER, I cannot support self harm.
@Shamalien I'm not going to argue with you. I see that you're strongly against transgenderism and you're not going to change your mind.Comparing the usage of makeup or taking selfies with filter with transgenderism doesn't sound right to me. So you're free to believe in whatever you want and I'll keep my opinion too.
Of course you won't argue with me, you won't even bother trying to understand my point of view. You know I was fully supportive of my friend's transition at the time. Everyone praised me for 'sticking by them' when their other friends dropped off. Things are not always as they seem, I don't want to argue with you, but consider re-examining the situation. That's all I ask. You could save somebody's life
@Shamalien You're the one who thinks that I'm not getting your point. I do, I just disagree with you.
"Comparing the usage of makeup or taking selfies with filter with transgenderism doesn't sound right to me."either your comprehension is really poor or you didn't make any kind of attempt to understand me.
it's like you just glossed over everything I said in half a second and didn't even really read it, honestly.
Trans people are hurting society, they're taking over every institution including schools, brainwashing kids. They're a nuisance and whenever I see them, I roll my eyes. Letting people do whatever they want nowadays will have consequences to the rest of society, it's selfish.
@modelUN242 the problem isn't letting them do what they want, it's playing into their delusions. Sure, cut off your dick, but don't claim it makes you a woman, and obviously we shouldn't lie to children about this reality either.
AGE 98 JESUS CHRIST I do agree
Completely agree, 60% of confused children change their mind before adulthood and 1 in 3 try to commit suicide, yet you have a segment of the population cheering them on instead of offering the psychological help they require.
You should care when it’s being weaponized.
They can do what they want but the second they try to push their delusion to the point where it gets someone fired or interferes with normal people that is when there is gonna be a problem.
@BurnHollywoodBurn yup. if they're trying to force me to use their pronouns, i won't oblige. if they're trying to force me to date them, cause "equality", i won't oblige. if they're being up in my face, i'll tell them to back off. if they won't back off, i'll tell them that i'll force them to back off if they don't and ultimately i will force them... that's how this goes. that's just reasonable conduct. that's how i wanna be treated. and that's how i will treat them.
I feel the same.
@BurnHollywoodBurn respect is not deserved. it's earned. people that didn't earn my respect but demand it, will have it way harder to earn it.
They wanna impose their will on us and when we refuse to allow them we are the ones who are called hateful as they attack us for our beliefs.
@BurnHollywoodBurn well i don't hate them for living their life. i hate them for demanding that i support them. they're not supporting me so what the fuck do they want from me? fuck them! ever heard of the principle of reciprocity? if you give support, you can demand support.
I am not gonna call a man a woman I am not gonna be silent when I am angry hearing about someone fired from their job because they refused to call a man a woman.
@BurnHollywoodBurn if someone politely asks me to refer to them as "she" and they actually do obviously make a big effort to seem like a woman and i respect them, i may consider doing them theat favor. if they just demand that from me, that's not gonna happen.i'm very lucky to live in a society, where the laws are decided by completely incompetent leftists... so here you don't get to put "woman" on your id, if you're a dude.
@BurnHollywoodBurn aren't*** xD
I could never call them a she I just could not do it lol. Only if I was making a joke like I called a male friend of mine she to make fun of him that is as far as I would go. I would never give these things the satisfaction because I cannot and will not encourage their delusion.
@BurnHollywoodBurn that's fair. nobody should make you do that.
In this sense you're right. Remember we're all going to be dead, actually is something I need to remind myself when I give too much of a fuck.
Literally the second option lol
Aw lol I didn't see that 😂Thanks
Also against transitions for underage people. If they're not old enough to drink, they're not old enough to undergo a sex change operation.
No puberty blockers either: child abuse.
And absolutely NO changes to Title IX to be inclusive based on identity. Identity was not the basis for establishing women's sports and other areas where we segregated by sex. Biological/physiological differences in the sexes were.
If we wanna establish transsports with limited participation or let trans people participate in men's sports, totally cool with that. But women's sports weren't designed for people born biologically male or cis-women pumped full of male levels of testosterone with beards.
Of course you're "his" bestfriend not his girlfriend. You probably would be couples if you never found out and regret dating "him"
We actually dated for nearly a year and I knew going into the relationship that he was trans. I don't regret dating him at all, he was the best relationship I ever had.
That's because you knew. Now he's basically your ex but your bestfriend now. What i meant regret is if you didn't know he's trans and he deceived you for that.
Most trans people tell you right off the bat...
You haven't met most trans people. And a reason why they try to change their appearance is because they think they are the opposite gender also because they want to date the opposite gender but the problem is straight people do not wanna date any trans people. They be honest right away but they also get rejected right away for that.
Date the opposite gender? Not necessarily. Trans people can be of many sexualities.
But not everyone has many sexuality. And they're even the minority. So before you claim "most of them are honest" I'd rather think.
The reason why a trans person wouldn't be honest from the start is because of fear. Especially for trans girls.
Everyone has fear yet they still lie due to frustration. That doesn't exclude trans.
They lie because their lives could be endangered by telling the truth
But that's still lying tho. See? That doesn't really exclude them
I don't see the issue as long as the truth is told before things escalate.
Well you can speak for yourself. If catfishing online is bad enough, that doesn't make it different in real life.
yes, but lying and then telling the truth or haven't the truth found out by someone else.. definitely put their lives at risk even greater. Especially with men, straight men do not play around with that crap and take it very seriously. They are putting themselves in the lions den by not being honest.
@Aiko_E_Lara True and that's were the deception comes which is not okay. I think they wouldn't have a hard time with rejection if they dated within the transgender community but even they seem to reject each other and I don't understand why.
@BlueScorpio Oh now you're justifying it but a moment ago you claim most of them dont? That's kinda contradictory.
Go ahead and search what contradictory means also you can just justify lying like that. Maybe you don't mind being deceived but everyone else does
@Aiko_E_Lara i know what it means, im just not sure what you're referring too. I think you're confused cause i didn't leave any contradictions. I said that by not being truthful they are increasing their risks of assault or possible murder by going after straight men and not being honest and that if they want to lower the fear of rejection then they should try dating other trans people but a lot of them choose not to.
@BlueScorpio Justifying how they lie at the same time claiming most of them don't. That's a contradictory. The main argument here is how you claim most of them don't lie. Criminals still commit crime despite the risk of being killed, arrested and other consequences and it still happens. I said it before trans aren't exceptions.
@Aiko_E_Lara Dude you need to read more carefully, you are confusing me with someone else. I didn't say most of them don't lie. you are refereing to Smashingdoozy who said most tell the truth right off the bat.
@BlueScorpio Im not. Im looking that 1/4 upvote and 2/0 downvote to indicate. Im sure talking to you. Im debunking that logical fallacy of yours. "most" you haven't met most on reality.
@Aiko_E_Lara yeah but you're not looking at the right comments.
@BlueScorpio Because it's irrelevant? It's don't wanna look at your mistakes. Something called not taking criticisms
@Aiko_E_Lara k whatever..
Then learn to eat your words properly next time
@Aiko_E_Lara learn to read your words properly next time cause i literally told you it's not okay for trans people to keep it a secret from someone they're seeing and you're still not getting it.
Also learn to read your words properly because i also said i never disagreed with you on that however that's not the main argument here. But i'm giving constructive criticism to your claim same most of them don't lie.
How about to learn not to dodge things and focus on what i'm talking about?
@Aiko_E_Lara ugh... im done talking to a brick wall You don't get it and you won't get it. that's fine. bye.
Weren't you done talking awhile ago? You also wouldn't get what i said and my criticism still stands you know. And one more thing ad hominems don't prove you anything
So sorry to the transphobic dickheads I've offended, my bad
There a cure. It is called psychotherapy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
@cth96190 don't know if it is that simple.
illness suggests that there is a cure, there isn't, it's a genetical defect, they are who they are and can't do anything about it.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ Your logic is flawed; not all illnesses have cures. HIV and cancer are currently incurable; but that doesn't make them any less an illness. New illnesses pop up all the time and the cures are created some time later (some longer than others). Just look at COVID-19. Also genetic defects are a classification of illnesses.
@saffoler that's great and all but you said "it should be treated" there is no treatment. A genetic disorder is a health problem caused by one or more abnormalities in the genome. It can be caused by a mutation in a single gene (monogenic) or multiple genes (polygenic) or by a chromosomal abnormality.
@saffoler menal illness suggests that you could just talk to a therapist and take some pills, I mean you could but that isn't going to change anything.
it is not a mental illness
illness - a condition in which the body or mind is harmed because an organ or part is unable to work as it usually does; a disease or sickness:Being trans is not an illness, that's the bottom line.
That's why they go through hormone therapy, to change the genes, not their psyche.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ The cure is for society to stop encouraging them and to stop putting their delusion above the rights of others. Years ago this BS would never be accepted but now it is being pushed because the people who rule the world want these kind of sickos out there because they are not having kids and it controls the population. This is why they are all over TV and pushed on everyone. If someone wants to live their lives like that go ahead just keep it the fuck away from normal people.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ A mental illness is something that causes distress and disconnetion. Feeling something you're not, it's clearly mental illness, not different than feeling fat when you're skinny and the others mental delusion. And this disconnetion from your real being causes extreme pain like all mental illness. Hormones don't change your sex, You will always being your real sex, there is no amount of hormones or genitalia mutilation to change that.
@Elis678 If someone is crazy and believes they are a fucking ship captain it doesn't cause distress it has nothing to do with distress. Different mental illnesses cause different feelings. They are mentally ill a man cannot be a woman same as you cannot be a refrigerator and if someone believes either of those things they are nuts!
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ I think you confused me with the Opinion Owner. Also, hormone therapy doesn't change your genes; your genes determine your hormones, your hormones don't determine your genes.
The ammount of retardation that came flocking to my reply is uncanny. I'm not gonna bother to address any of you because there is no cure for stupid. I'm just gonna leave you to your illness.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ Says the guy who thinks hormones can change your DNA.
@saffoler Not only do genes code for hormones, but hormones regulate genes. In particular, steroid hormones (such as cortisol, estradiol, progesterone, and testosterone) bind to intracellular receptors that act as genetic transcription factors that directly regulate gene expression.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ You said "That's why they go through hormone therapy, to change the genes, not their psyche." Regulating gene expression is one thing; outright changing them is another.
How about this, they take hormones to change how their genes act, is that more understandable for you now?
If not below is an in depth explanation of what I'm talking about. You do need to go to a psychotherapist in order for a to obtain hormone therapy, but that's to assess if the mind is truly female/male. The transition itself will also have psychological effects, but the core problem are genes, not the psyche. You can't reprogram a brain to switch from male to female, but you can reprogram the genes so the body trans people have correlates with the brain they were born with. So they stop feeling like they don't belong in their body.en.wikipedia.org/.../Transgender_hormone_therapy_(male-to-female)
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ That proves nothing other than sickos like to mutilate themselves.
@BurnHollywoodBurn you sound more like Bollywood.
@BurnHollywoodBurn if you ever make it into the movie industrry you should star as yourself in a movie and call it "Professional Retard"
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ Yea because it makes someone a retard to know the difference between a man and a woman. If it was 20 years and you tried to say this crazy shit they would put you in a mental hospital do you realize that? You are seriously sick same as anybody pushing this sick agenda that is fake.
@BurnHollywoodBurn dafuq you're mumbling on about? Please keep your flat earth mentality to youself, everyone who will read and believe what you have to say shall surely get dumber.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ You are a complete idiot you don't even know that a pussy makes someone a woman. You failed at life.
@BurnHollywoodBurn really dude, shhhhh.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ The hormones therapy don't change shit. If you're male, you're still genetically males, your physio will naturally always work as a male, you just messing up with your body system but pumping in artificial hormones, but that doesn't change your real biological sex. Yes, it is the only way to make people with some disconnettion feel better, but this doesn't change their actual sex.
@Elis678 no shit sherlock.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ So, you know. So, understand that all the talks about hormones changing genes is bullshit. They're not changing anything. They're still the sex they were born into, they're just messing their body with artificial hormones because they got a mental disconnetion from reality.
But I wasn't talking about weather trans people should play sports with none trans people. So not really sure why you're bringing that up.
@Elis678 ... not really sure what I'm still doing here. I knew this was a waste of time, like I said, you can't cure stupid. Take care my retarded friend.
@Elis678 Exactly thank you for saying that. This guy we are arguing with is delusional much like the people he is defending on this post.
@BurnHollywoodBurn the only reason you retards hate on trans people is because someone told you to do so https://youtu.be/oGvoXeXCoUY
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ No we hate them because it is wrong and because they want to fuck with regular people's lives to make themselves feel better. Someone has to call a man a woman or lose their job that is why we hate them. Also because they want to indoctrinate kids with lies and tell a 4 yr old they can choose their gender which is insane. Your sex is your gender and a big agenda that says different still cannot change that.
@BurnHollywoodBurn oh no, someone wants to be treated human, lets make it as hard for them as possible, yay!
@ Opinion Owner I feel like you deserve a like or ten for putting up with all of this; but I can only give you one so here you go.
@saffoler yes because having to deal with simple logic can be so overwhelming, my condolences.
@saffoler assholes like you inbred hicks are the reason why so many trans people commit suicides. Fuck all y'all. I hope you fucktards die a painfull death.
@tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ - "yes because having to deal with simple logic can be so overwhelming, my condolences." No because you can't seem to stop yourself from insulting others; when they don't 100% agree with everything you say. Even if your facts and science are a bit muddled.
@saffoler I don't give a shit you twat, it's what you fuckers do to trans people, I'm your karma.
@saffoler thinking you shitforbrains people deserve pitying is just a hypocritical delusion. Suck a bag of dicks y'all.
*any of them are