Why do you think men misunderstand women so much more than women misunderstand men in reference to dating and intimacy?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Oh I disagree with that entirely. Women are convinced that men have no feelings, that men only want sex (absolutely false). To be fair men do have issues understanding women but that is because they think like men i. e. they think that looks and personality are priorities to women (they are not), they think that women experience arousal in the same way as men do (hence men sending dick picks only to find out that apparently women are not interested in that (seemed obvious to me but their seems to be a lot of guys who don't understand this). Honestly I would say for men the issue is they assume that women will be straight forward and say what they mean when in reality women almost never say what they mean (and if they do its usually too late), they presume women are visual when it comes to arousal when in reality for women its not the case (and they think that women want the phsyical gratification, that is that orgasm is the goal rather then it being the reward (basically women want the process as much as the end goal, to feel worshipped and desired (and they also respond to words and verbalizations better then visuals))), they think that women are honest about what they want i. e. that when women say they want nice guys they mean it (they don't, multiple studies show women are drawn to men who exhibit dark triad traits (Narcissism, Machevelianism, Psychopathy)), that when women say they want a guy who is "stable" that this is what it means (in reality it means she wants a man who has more money (as every study shows women prefer men with money and are highly unlikely to marry a man who makes less then her)), that when she says she wants you to listen that this is what it means (in reality what it means is she wants you to KNOW not listen, to do and act in a way that she wants without her telling you (hence the whole women wanting men to read minds. They want him to take charge without giving him any information about what they want (and then just hope that he chooses correctly). This is men's issues.

For women, their issue is simple, they read into everything because they are never straight forward they assume that men are never straight forward (Basically for men they are like an encyclopedia, what it says it what it means, for women their communication style is like a spy thriller or political intrique where every word means something completely different then what it actually means and god help you if you don't figure it out in time). Women presume that men just want sex when in reality women give so little to men as it pertains to validation and emotional connection that the only real connection we get is through sex, its the only assurance that she is still interested (because all to frequently he is giving everything and the only real material reward for doing all the work is sex. Of course men do want sex a lot but sex is necessary for their emotional connection and validation not a result of it unlike women where its the result of it not the source of it). They also don't understand male desire as they constantly presume that men want way more then they actually do, that is they are constantly convinced that men are hyper shallow and want nothing but 10s and anything less then perfection is undesirable to us (when in reality this thinking is more then likely do to the same reason that women read into everything men say, its because women are the ones who are so shallow as they have lists upon lists of criteria for men to meet, that he has to be above average height, above average in looks above average in wealth, above average in his social dominance (the "confidence" they talk about) etc. This by the way has been statistically proven as women refuse to marry down economically speaking and as one study showed women found 80% of men to be below average in looks (a statistical impossibility)). etc.

[englisc]

I answered this question by another user here:

Why don't men understand what women want? ↗

I think that it has mostly to do with mis-communication. Women might say they like a certain thing and men take it the wrong way. Other women will understand what she's saying while guys will still be confused as to what it really means.

I think that women are often quite vague about what they want too, when giving dating advice. It's not like most people think deeply about it so maybe they don't articulate it well, in a way that would actually help men to understand them better.

Sometimes I think that there's a difference between what attracts women deep down vs what they're taught they're supposed to like, dislike etc. Many studies for example point to the fact that women prefer dominant men. In those studies when they ask women whether they like dominant men they all say no - of course because that's not a politically correct idea. They're taught that they should be equals. Yet when the interviewers change the wording and ask about traits that have to do with dominance i. e. leadership qualities, assertiveness, confidence etc. They all respond positively. So in my opinion a lot of that is just a socially conditioned, knee-jerk negative reaction.

I think that really underneath all of that conditioning they're attracted to something different. It's the same with a lot of other things. Studies show that women prefer men who have muscular upper bodies - not huge bodybuilder types, just signs of good upper body strength. Ask most women about that and they'll say they hate muscles. It's common sense that women prefer muscular or athletic men, any guy who has gone from being skinny or fat to muscular will have seen the difference in the way women react to him, but I think they react that way because they think that's the "right answer".

This kind of thing confuses the fuck out of guys too. Women aren't actually that hard to understand if instead of asking them what they want, you take more notice of the way they behave.

I also don't think that women properly understand men either, at all.

[AmandaYVR]

You know what i like about you, EtP? I like that you actually think about these things, and you write a paragraph or more about what you are thinking. You don't just create a thesis statement, with nothing to back it up, and then want us us to expand on the idea. Many people do this, and I find it a bit odd. I'd like to know where the person's head is at. It appears that they may do this to create an impartial survey, without any leading comments, but I believe that's what polls are ideally suited to or ideal for.

This is such a complicated topic though. I read through everyone's comments, and I still don't know what to think or write. I don't have a strong feeling about this. I'm not sure I agree or believe that women understand men more than men understand women. But what I would say for sure is that there is a much higher degree of resentment and hostility from men towards women (I should say, young guys to young girls) than the other way around. I even polled and measured this, so yeah, confirmed. Men are misunderstanding women, also true. Hmm. Maybe I am agreeing with you here, the more I think about it. See, many young guys (up to about the age of 28, I'm seeing as quite consistent) are very negatively describing and labelling girls (up to about the same age), and I do think these labels and many of the descriptors and conclusions are false. And I believe though they present as anger, underneath they are about fear and resentment, from feeling judged and rejected. So in that way, yes maybe the females understand better. I am reluctant to say that "girls understand better/more" but your phrasing is that men misunderstand more, so even if I just isolate this to 'the amount of hostility that girls feel towards guys', and the specific reasons that guys get turned down when they initiate something with a girl... I know based on my qs here that some young men are misinterpreting these reasons.

Reading through the comments here, you see just what I'm (and maybe you are) talking about. There's a bunch of people who are being very reasonable, but there are a bunch who are very bitter/angry. Makes you wonder why, what have they experienced? There could be more than just bad luck or seeing or experiencing unwavering and wholly complete patterns of behaviour happening out there. I don't buy it. I've easily read hundreds, if not thousands, of comments on this site now, and I do think much of this discord is misinterpretation. Not all, by any means, and, one should not completely invalidate the experiences that people have. But as I often say, perspective and objectivity are key. (I'll just summarize that with a quick 'glass half empty' to get my point across hopefully succinctly.) Also, I see more judgement, and less acceptance out there, so also, people don't seem to be treating each other as well as they used to, or as well as they should. (Why? Holy f*** that's a big q.)

I do think women are emotionally more complex. But I do not believe, as one user here commented, that girls think men have "no feelings" or just want them for sex (ok, a lot of guys do want them just for sex, but if girls say "some do" that does not mean "all", nor does it take away from the fact that girls have to act more carefully, to prevent being just another notch post on a bed, or being saddled with a child they don't want or can't afford. "No feelings" is totally ridiculous. Saying things like that just makes me lose interest in discussing things further with them. (As well as use of the words "never" and "always". Come on. That's absolutist thinking and who's got time for that.

[agent_orange]

There are no rules in perceiving the why men and women tend to misunderstood each other; only understanding the difference how our brains are wired differently can give a conclusive explanation.

1. Men's brain are logical that they are more practical and reasonable; they'd rather focus on what's relevant and not analyze their feelings at all. They'd most definitely ignore a difficult problem and shutting down will give them time to think and process before tackling the issue. While women's on the other hand are emotional who have more interest in something related and personal. They spend more time nursing their emotions. Their heightened sensitivity gives them awareness and insights that will cloud their decisions and distract their capability to think, making it difficult for them to decide what to do next. They are most likely inclined to interpret the shutting down moments of men as avoidance to face the issue.

2. Men's brain are focused to process one task at a time. They require seclusion to get their chemistry right to arrive at a conclusion. You can't force them to talk about it when they're not ready. While women's brain can multi-task where they can talk it out to someone to process and explore their options that would help them explain things in a very complex manner.

3. Men are not good with memories. They can't remember the exact moment you two actually met or the first time you hold hands and kissed. But women's brain had bigger memory center that they will always remember everything in detail.

So in reference to dating, relationship or intimacy, we can't blame both gender in their way of handling things or understanding their differences or preferences. It's important to know why they are how they are. So if you go on a date, set aside both standards and just feel the moment. If you think you have a possibility to develop emotional connection, then up to you whether you take it or leave it. If not, no need to feel resentment towards the guy just because he isn't your usual type or he's bad news.

Men can only distinguish four colors while women can categorize all shades in details. That's how different we are. And if both gender doesn't acknowledge these facts and always stick to their prejudices and misconceptions, do not date at all.

[BlackRoseFairy]

Judging from what I have seen here on GaG I would say that many guys are prejudiced against women.
And honestly, making decisions based on something you "believe to be so, because that's what I think" and refusing to see clearly what is in front of you, doesn't do you any favours.
Of course this can apply to both genders, but I have seen only more in guys.
I am certain that things would be a lot better in the dating scene if we could all toss aside common myths and focus on the person in front of us.

Yes, there are some common behaviours, and this is the so called magnet effect. You draw what you wish for. If you are constantly thinking that a woman is trying to get your money and has no feelings then that's what you'll get.
But there are always exceptions, and if you are stubbornly clinging on your prejudices, then you will miss your exception!

[OlderAndWiser]

I think that, because you are a guy, you have a heightened awareness of all the ways in which guys get it wrong about women, but far less awareness of how women get it wrong. So, from your perspective, guys get it wrong far more than do women. And if you were a woman, you might come to the opposite conclusion. You are a biased observer of a subjective phenomenon.

[Anonymous]

Women are naturally more complicated biologically due to hormones and their programmed DNA that makes them picky about finding a mate. They also have a conscious and subconscious that’s often (if not always) out of synch.

They usually say they want a man who treats them well, is attentive and caring. They actually believe that when they are thinking clearly. But when they meet such a man they might like him as a person but unfortunately their hard coded DNA wiring sees him as someone who can’t protect her against wild animals or other cavemen.

Then if the exact same guy (equal money/looks) acts a bit douchey/cocky she subconsciously believes he will be a better protector. And the subconscious is stronger, it’s emotionally based and that’s were she makes mating decisions.

Guys are logical and highly visual. Our sex drives can make us stupid, sometimes violent. But women can usually read us like a book. But the men they can’t figure out ironically interest and turn them on.

Anyway to be successful with women it’s rather easy. Just do the exact opposite of everything modern feminism claims women like.

[btbc92]

Oh VERY easy:

1. Pornography and Masturbation
2. Lies from Society
3. Getting advice from unwise people [men included]
4. Breakdown in Godly Principals and Morals
5. Feminism and Humanism teachings

Its not that were misunderstood. We are PURPUSELY being IGNORED. Just like a good amount of women are purposely ignoring men. We are being grouped as all the same instead as unique individuals as men are unique people. Most advice people get today that isn't practical wisdom is nothing but biased jokes.

[TonyBologna25]

I feel as if it's equal. Getting into committed relationships really teach you a lot about women just as it teaches women about men. I think a constant struggle in any relationship is feeling understood. Men and women operate a lot differently, and it's a learning process that takes a lot of time and patience. You can really spot out the people who are inexperienced on this website just because of their expectations and how they actually perceive the opposite sex. It's comical because they sound so confident too lol

[HeyMikie]

As a man (and an old fart) I can say that my own observation is that many men believe that women cannot be understood and so do not even attempt to try to understamd them. It may be because I was raised in a house full of women after my parents divorced when I was 9 that I seem to understand women a bit more than many of the men that I know. But I also have actively tried to understand women all of my adult life. I also believe that men of today don't often have good role models and are left to figure things out for themselves. Then of course there is the common belief among men that men should know these things and therefore shouldn't ask. After all, real men don't need directions. Right? LOL!

[Kylexavier]

No hold on the huge difference is that man are logical that's why they will never understand women. For example your girlfriend or wife sad and you ask them what's wrong they will literally say NOTHING, and then if you say okay that's fine, all of a sudden it means we dont care. Seriously women take small things to seriously but that's what makes them unique. If you have woman that agrees with you and apologises when she's wrong leave her that's not a woman. Women don't behave like that it's not in their nature.

[TheFlak38]

It's because of the gynocentric society we live in, combined with the romantic trash sold by the media and even education. In a gynocentric society men will struggle and pursue and try to figure out the best way of catering to a woman's vagina just for a chance to ejaculate in there. The media try to convince us how every woman wants a romantic sensitive man. Meanwhile in reality while every woman will tell you that this is what she wants, she is actually shit testing you and goes rather with the bad boy to get abused and ask for seconds, while the majority of men will do exactly that. Romantic bullshit with flowers and how to share their feelings and everything that actually turns a woman off. If women tomorrow decided that real men must walk on all fours like animals you would see the masses of desperate lonely men do exactly that and beg women for sex.

[Anonymous]

Men have been brainwashed into thinking that women are more complicated than they are. Couple that with the fact that women don't say what they mean or mean what they say most of the time, and it's easy to think they're confusing.

Simple facts: if you don't mean what you say, you're a liar. If you hide what you feel and insist that the other "figure it out", you're manipulative. If you pretend to be something other than what you really are, you're fake.

Stop putting up with women who are fake, manipulative liars. Stop giving in to control tactics. If a chick tries to pull any of that crap on you, cut her loose.

[Lightning8]

hypoagency can lead to inconsistency and contradiction.

Men aren't really expected to have things done for them. So what little they do need, they do that for themselves. There really isn't a whole lot of guesswork for guys. They just want companionship and sex.

Women feel a need for more than that. They need to feel that a man can do certain things for her. And those services can sometimes vary based on her upbringing and beliefs.

But these are gross generalizations.

[nerms123]

I think it’s because of how hormones work in the brain so women are generally more concerned with relationships while men are more concerned with activities but i actually think both misunderstand each other and it takes both emotional and social intelligence and effort to understand other people.

[Anonymous]

''Women are more mysterious and complex. ''

[confusedrepeatedly]

Because men think that they will never understand woman or think that they come from totally different points of view
I think women understand guys bec they know they're really not all that different

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Well that's a helluva loaded question. I see plenty of confusion about the opposite gender from both sides. Most guys and girls just blunder from one relationship to another not knowing really what the fuck they 're doing

[Smegskull]

It's harder for an honest person to lie than for a dishonest person to tell the truth. Also it is easier for an irrational person to understand the rational than for a rational person to understand the irrational.

[SMaine]

Because, in majority, women are more in touch with their thoughts and emotions.

[NerdInDenial]

A lot of men try to listen to what women say and not pay attention to what they do.

[DDpsy]

Only men actually try to understand women while women just don't give a shit. So of course the ones that try will fail more.

[Ninjazzed]

The gist of it really is that men don’t want to put forth much of an effort to understand women.. it’s not that they’re unable to.. they just don’t really take enough interest in it.. Most men are in it solely for the one night stand.

[MzAsh]

Women are more mysterious and complex. We as women embrace this in order to sift through to find an exceptional man who truly understands us.

[Anonymous]

Because women are deceptive and they never say what they want

[zagor]

Because men are primarily concerned with fucking. Doesn't take that much to figure that out.

[jakrabbitslim]

I think if both men and women were more honest with themselves and each other things would be a lot easier

[Bananaman177]

Men overestimate women, women underestimate men.

[Anonymous]

Women, make men out to be more complicated than we are

What's funny is, most of the time, women know what men are up to, they just like to act dumb, for whatever reason.. usually for attention

[MissDawn7961]

you are right ! to many men are brainwashed into thinking that we women are their slaves and we are not

[Anonymous]

This is false and guys are just many guys are just desperate and Pathetic and out women on pedestals

[Nachowedgie]

Women never give a clear answer and always give mixed signals

[Anonymous]

Women do not understand men any more than men understand women. Whoever fed you this doesn't understand the genders themselves. Women have no idea what its like to have a dick and balls.

[Wowgirl30q]

Women are more complicated men are apathetic. Men don't understand us more

[Bman4907]

Women change the rules as the game goes on without telling the guy.

[COMMODOREII]

They like to keep their thoughts to themselves

[Anonymous]

Because we can't read minds.

[Anonymous]

this question is ridiculous and wrong