
To give a bit more context... here is Mathew Hussey explaining a bit more about the subject.
For some men who say women never know what they want,... Men these days seem to be guilty of that themselves...
They say they don't want a gold digger, someone using them for their wallet, yet have an issue with an independent woman who works and supports herself 🤔 So which is it 🤷🏼♀️
The real problem is when the man was the sole provider, most thought that meant they had a right to control everything, like a woman was their property...
Think that's the real issue... Because otherwise, why have an issue with a partner that wants to help provide for your future, your household, your family together? 🤔
Worked for me and my hubby for 20 years, but maybe that's because he didn't treat me as lesser than just because I was female, we didn't treat each other as property, more a partnership, hence the term partner...
He didn't have that "Me man (beats on chest) you lowly female that must do my bidding"...
A man that wasn't afraid to cook, or help with the chores...
And funny the people on here that call those men wimps or simps or cucks woulda never had the balls to say that to my hubby's face, cuz before he got sick people were very afraid of him till they got to know him...
That's what makes a man, not someone that wants to control someone else or put down someone else...
And until men stop seeing women as just Available pussy (just read the threads on here) why should women do anything for them... Stop expecting things from people and let them do it out of love and respect... But you have to give respect to get respect...🤷🏼♀️
I posted an update to give more context. LOL
Thanks but I still stick to my answer 😂
I was speaking in general. Your answer is fine lol
You know there is still a difference between a woman who is the breadwinner or just a submissive one and a gold digger. It's just like women like dominant men but they don't like players. That is a strawman argument and a hasty generalization.
@Aiko_E_Lara it's not tho, don't men who are dominant want to be in control, so a woman has to submit to what a man wants or she's not a woman? Why make a relationship about power and control instead of love, respect, understanding and caring for one another? 🤷🏼♀️
Dominant men doesn't mean controlling a woman in let her bow down to me. Also it is hard for families to work well if there is no leverage applied. And i'm pretty sure that women still want men to be the breadwinners because that is how our brain is hardwired. If we chose the same path like both of us wanted to be the dominant or the submissive one, then we're just going to do everything by our selves without interacting or caring with each other. Its the power of leverage that actually connect. I mean sure she can work, can have tons of businesses like mine, can even make more income than me but there should be leverage.
I can even tell you that my mom makes more income than my dad but my dad is still the dominant one and they are leveraged evenly and my mom is an anti feminist too. That's because my dad gave her freedom yet she loves him for being dominant.
Also i can tell you it's not even easy to be incharged because it requires a lot of responsibilities and you are to be blamed if anything happens. That's what being dominant means.
@Aiko_E_Lara freedom is not something for a man to give a woman... We all have a right to freedom... You could say your father respected your mom's right to freedom... And whatever works for people individually in their relationship... The issue comes in when people try to tell other people should be in THEIR relationships... Me and my husband made household and family decisions together... And it worked for us for 20 years 🤷🏼♀️ and why want leverage over a partner 🤷🏼♀️ Would you like someone having power, control, or leverage over you? Is your freedom something a woman should decide you're allowed or not allowed?
Neither is freedom something for a woman to give a man. The main point still is we're giving each other freedom. If you want to talk about issues that has nothing to do with being dominant and submissive. It has something to do with toxicity which both submissive and dominant couples can have. Do you think the only dominant men are only the issue? That's a one sided thing. If you want to talk about your husband then i never said it will never work if there is no submissive and dominance in a family. Yes there are exceptions. I do prefer to be the dominant one just like there are girls who prefer to be the submissive one. So it is simple everybody has preferences. It only people like you looking making it a big issue who likes to make a straw man argument with it.
Or in conclusion, toxicity exist anywhere. Again it's not a one sided thing. If you want to actually that all dominant and submissive couples are toxic then i am giving you something that happens like of couples who don't interact with each other because there is no leverage leaving the kids or fighting over the kids. But really toxicity exist anywhere. It doesn't matter what kind of family you have. So think again before accusing anyone of anything just because of their preference because anyone can accuse my example to you.
@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not making an issue if anything... I gave an answer you don't like it, fine 🤷🏼♀️ but that's your issue not mine I'm entitled to give my opinion just like anyone else, and your entitled to not see with it... But my opinion is backed up with personal experience, is yours 🤔 When you've had that successful marriage, well, we'll see 🤷🏼♀️
Also calling men insecure just because they want to be dominant, isn't that the case for you because of the fact that women in average just naturally or subconsciously likes to be submissive which makes you insecure about it? It's a biological fact but that doesn't mean you should follow. You do you and we do we.
Mine is actually backed up with biological facts and how our brain is hardwired. Who said you're not allowed to give any opinions? All i'm also doing is giving mine and i would like to point out that your experiences is an anecdote. Also pointing out that you're making strawman arguments with anecdotes. "because you are dominant it means you don't respect your wife" straw man fallacy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition it's more like you don't like what i'm saying to you.
@Aiko_E_Lara don't you hate tho when people put words in your mouth you didn't say, I didn't at any time say insecurity did I🤔 think you're confusing my answer with someone else's...
Actually i did saw another comment here talking about insecure men however you agreed with it so i don't really have to put words in your mouth. There's no difference with agreeing with someone saying it and just saying it yourself.
@Aiko_E_Lara if a woman making her own way her own money makes you feel less a man what's that if not being insecure? But her answer was in response to original question, yet you used my agreeing on an argument that didn't apply... But isn't that what people do, twist your meaning to suit their purpose 🤔🤷🏼♀️
Why does it always mean it doesn't make us less of a man? It's still called preference you know and it has nothing to do with insecurities. There are girls who don't like to date short Asian guys but does that make them insecure? I don't care that's just their preference. Sure her answer was in response to the original question also generalizing that they are just insecure if they don't like breadwinner women. Also don't you know about the echoing effect where anyone agrees they can still repeat what they said and that will basically mean you're saying it too? Yes that is the echo effect. You don't have to say it when action speaks louder than words. If someone calls you ugly and i agreed with her/him does that really make it different?
@Aiko_E_Lara would I care tho is the real question 😂😂
Of course you wouldn't care it doesn't matter either way. That was just an example but that still proves that i'm not putting words in your mouth.
"They say they don't want a gold digger, someone using them for their wallet, yet have an issue with an independent woman who works and supports herself"
Tell me all about it Ms. Triple B. This is how sometimes nobody can win. No wonder some women turn crazy. These little boys made them that way 🤦
That is because you are talking about two different men. Because if i have talk about two different women, there are women who wants dominant men and complains because "he treats her like a child."
@Aiko_E_Lara then don't treat women like a child... Treat em like an equal adult, problem solved
I mean there are women who likes to be treated like a child but complains that she's the submissive one. Just like that two many are talking about. But really it's still in your world you want to make straw man argument about being dominant one treating women like children. That just simply means treating women like women. I'm going with biological fact. But again did i even said you really have to be that way?
*That 2 different men you are talking about.
It's your choice your and your husband went for you then good for you. There many girls like you and there are many guys like your husband however i'm different and there are also girls not like you. Just meeting poor judgment by strawmanning doesn't really make you truthful but if not just your opinion, at least i'm giving facts.
I don't think a lot of men are honest or self-aware when it comes to this, to be honest. In my opinion, many are intimidated. They just think that saying, "I'm not intimidated, just not attracted" changes that. It doesn't. That's not how psychology works. A lot of men like "less intelligent and more dependent" a lot more than they will admit out loud. And when you think of traditional archetypes of masculinity and socialization, it makes sense. A lot of men value themselves based on ability to protect, provide, and maybe even guide. Dominance. So if you can do it yourself, it threatens their own sense of what they have to offer, or even indicates she is not going to be easy to mold/control. A woman not dependent on relationships for happiness/survival will put up with a lot less than one who is desperate for someone to take care of her. She's often going to be the pickier one too, because happiness isn't just found in a man - she has learned to create it herself. There's also a pretty strong point here about what he offers and brings to the table compared to her and how confident he is in himself with that hand.
In my experience, it's less to do with any ability to do everything on my own (or desire to, rather lolol), and more to do with the different implications of what independence means, specifically intellectually and what I desire. I think being independent changes your "aura" somehow. I think anyone who has spent time focused on developing themselves and focused on accepting and being comfortable with being single or on your own might be able to relate. After you develop that way, people notice it even when you don't. People think that you think you're above them when you live by your own rules and do what you want, if you come across as highly educated or intelligent, if you're comfortable being yourself and living your truth. And some people like it! Yay! It's not even just a gender thing, but it does present a different dynamic there because your friends/associates (unless gay) aren't trying to date you and may benefit from you being the independent one, the leader, the smart one, etc. in ways that might threaten the ego of certain types of men trying to date you.
Having said that, I think a lot of men LOVE independent women. Probably not a majority, but still, many. :) And look, every personality has a down side, or a potentially challenging aspect. I mostly know what mine are and we all should, including men. It's up to whatever crazy nut thinks our challenging traits are worth it or not. Can't be a match for everyone and that's okay!
I think the fact that this is even question speaks for itself, tbh. Think about it. Why would one have a problem with someone ambitious, wanting to live passionately and do what they want on their own terms? Why would anyone have a problem with intelligence, with someone who is an active participant in their own life, working hard for what they want and not just waiting for someone to give it to them? Why would these be negative things just because she's a woman? Why would these things mean she wouldn't be a good partner? Curiouser and curiouser.
We really mean it when we say we are not intimidated. My wife makes more than me. My wife is more intelligent than me. I have zero problems with that.
But I wouldn't like to date a girl who makes more than me and is more intelligent than me and keeps rubbing it in my face. In resume we really just don't want a bitch.
@ThisIsMyOpinion
I didn't say you didn't mean it, I said it's not true. I can say I'm the best woman on earth and truly believe it, doesn't make it objectively true in reality outside of what I think is real.
Men often take any display of intelligence as "rubbing it in their face" though lol It's almost like the only intelligence they like is when it's very quietly displayed, i. e. not intimidating, challenging, confident, or threatening to the ego. A lot of people are like that.
But I'm happy you and your wife are happy, go you!
While I know men who indeed feel their egos bruised by a capable woman, specially older men, most guys I know is not. And I honestly want to believe most men are like that, not scared by a women who displays high skill level in whatever it is.
Thank you.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Well said.
It gets to SOME men when a woman is more successful than they are because of their fragile egos, but the majority of guys are just not attracted to girls like that. We are attracted to cooperative and agreeable women, kind-hearted acts ( Feminine). If you are a woman that is constantly challenging a guy ( Testing his masculinity) and you are as you say " Intimidating " then you don't have a lot of feminine energy that attracts men. Girls who give off masculine energy are unattractive to us the same way guys who give of feminine energy are unattractive to women. You may be a successful woman ( Financially stable, good career, etc) and that's great if you are, good for you, but that's not something men are attracted to in a woman.
It's not even that we are intimidated, but I believe it has to do strongly with roles as men and women. Masculine men want feminine women. Women that are independent through feminist teachings, more power to you, can do what they want, but we ultimately don't want to be with them in the long run.
Women that tend to be like this have high standards and expectations of their partners and will always be searching for better guys who fit their criteria, but they are few and far in between. Now women want guys either on their level or higher than them, but that is difficult because more women have higher education than men these days since we either drop out of college, don't go to college, or decide to go into trades or blue collar work. They don't see men like that as high value or to their standards because they don't make as much as them, even though a lot of them do well for themselves (worked blue collar since I got out of college). These women are more masculine than anything and are living like how men do, and that is not attractive in the long run. These are the women you want as friends or business partners.
Men want women that are feminine, submissive and let them make the decisions and lead. They don't want a woman who is masculine, stubborn and in your face all the time with the "we are doing it my way" deal. We might as well just marry and date another dude at the end of the day. I already know this answer is going to get a fair amount of hate, but I know there are many that agree with what I said.
I believe it depends. You can't use "strong, independent woman" to encompass all women that can take care of themselves, know what they want, and can pursue their own happiness without depending on others for it.
The problem when it comes to relationships is that some of these women (actually, many men as well) fail to remember that a partner is not another person to compete against, one-up, or assert dominance over. You are a team and are equals. Independence can exist without arrogance.
Some fail to realize that a relationship is about shifting priorities and mutual happiness. When a partner is far too keen on independence, it communicates that you will never be a priority to them, and their happiness is more important than yours (which in turn implies that compromise and consideration will be sorely lacking in the relationship). This inevitably turns the relationship into a competition, which I think is unhealthy. Not many guys would want to be in such an arrangement. And I doubt that many women are okay with it either (unless they are perhaps "winning")
Not all independent women are like this. But the ones that are have encouraged the stereotype that this is what an independent woman is like. A guy like me wants an "us against the world" relationship, not to play a mere supporting role, or that of a "simp".
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It doesn't really matter the state of the world.
Some men will complain about how dependent women are. Some will complain about how independent they are.
We need each other. Some of us like each other, and we interact not out of necessity, but because we offer and give things to each other, from a place of graciousness. And because it's simply fun.
The answer is finding a balance between giving and taking, needing each other but not being entirely dependent. Doesn't seem so difficult to me.
Not all men want the same kind of women. Some men are pussies and like a woman to be dominant (seems to be a lot more of them today than when I grew up). Others aren't attracted to women like that (put me down in that category). I'm fine if a woman is all about being "independent." I'm just not interested in a relationship with her.
Don't mind me, I'm just here to roll my eyes and silently judge people-
I already know what most men are going to say so I'm keeping my mouth shut... for now at least.
Ha Ha Ha
What will they say then?
@WhiteGlaze Oh I'll say as soon as more guys comment.
I will say this much, I'm having a hard time keeping my mouth shut. I'm -this- close to lecturing some of these little boys.
@Cynicaldreamer say what needs to be said!!!
Pretty sure I see some women having similar oppinions as the men
@Brainsbeforebeauty You see some of these comments? I'm shaking my head over here.
@coachTanthony I'm trying to be on my best behavior but yeah, I feel a rant coming; I really do
Which would that be, the pump and dump, or the only good for p*say comment... To which I could've been sexist and said men ain't even good for the p"now😂 but two wrongs don't make a right...
@Brainsbeforebeauty The "pump and dump" one set me off for sure, but the majority of them are just... something.
Brb, I need some popcorn for this show. If anyone else needs a bowl, let me know; I got plenty 🤣
Yes please 😂😂😂 although between the pancakes and popcorn you bad for my figure 🤪😂😂😂
Hey, I thought you were exercising: you can work it off! Lol
I'm actually losing weight at the moment! 😮
I got a new scale last week that measures BMI, muscle, water weight, body fat, etc. Surprisingly it says my weight is... good!
... I don't trust it. The scale has never hit the weight I wanted, lol
Aww that's great! Maybe I need a new scale... Yeah that's it it's not me, my scale is defective 😂😂😂
🤣 that's what I said too! Maybe you just need a new scale that tells you what you want to weigh
But will my body look that way as well 😂😂
@Brainsbeforebeauty Well...
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Maybe if you exercise a wee bit more? If coach would stop asking these kinds of questions, I'll stop serving popcorn and pancakes
😂😂😂 a wee bit more might kill me... 😱🤣
I appreciate women who have your standard confidence and independence, who can think for themselves and know how to get a job, make life decisions, etc. But I'm not into your 'basic bitch' types whose self-worth and existence is built entirely on their college degree, money, and career.
And honestly, why would I want a woman who is so big on being independent and needing to declare it? Does she want me to know that or does she want herself to know it? Why would I want a woman who sees me as something she doesn't have to have but can if she wants? Am I like a hundred dollar dress she sees in a window that she doesn't need but can get it because she wants to?
Relationships are about two people seeing each other as important for their lives, and that your existence matters to each other. But as it stands, for independent women, men aren't something they "need," men are just play things that we should be honored we can even be with such women.
All good points!
I would like a man in my life but I want people to know I am independent bc it makes me strong and I think it’s a good personality traits especially since I see a lot of weak people. I don’t however like to hold my own door open, type of girl. Plus I want people to know I’m financially independent bc a lot of men worry that your are after money or that you are only interested in men who have a big career.
@likelyOK "Plus I want people to know I’m financially independent bc a lot of men worry that your are after money or that you are only interested in men who have a big career."
- And that's a great point and I can't stand women who are users and golddiggers, but at the same time I'm not interested in a woman with money and status who just sees me as a fine accessory that can be swapped out at any time.
@ManOnFire Very well said! You've triggered 4 feminazis aswel 😂
@TruthBringer I think I'm the only person on GaG who enjoys downvotes.
@ManOnFire Hey don't take all the credit, I enjoy seeing downvotes. They often prove my points and my belief system.
Though being independent is absolutely important and has been a key factor in my own marital bliss, there is a such thing as overdoing it. I’ve had male clients tell me that when a woman wants him to do nothing for her because she can do it all, he doesn’t know where to fit in or what to offer than she can’t just obtain herself. They struggle to keep up. In reality, men want to work to please a woman they love. They need to know how they qualify and bring value to her. Ladies, don’t be afraid to sit back and let him do some of the legwork. Let him show you what he’s made of. He wants to.
Exactly. Many women on here are saying the opposite or don't understand the balance of masculine and feminine energy.
Very well said!
What should they be scared for?
Next to being able to cook, clean and make babies we probably work as well.
We have more hobbies, interests and more goals in life.
The only thing is that we have more opinions, stronger opinions and are less scared to make those known.
We are the old house wifes but with a little more spice I guess.
That is what we are here to find out.
@saturnxox You should teach the other pink snowflakes about this. This is what we want!
The idea of an independent woman is great actually. However, it's often that those who scream this out, or feel the need to portray it are often the ones who are toxic, have an inflated ego, have unrealistic expectations etc.
My girlfriend is independent from me financially and lifestyle wise. She does her things and I do mine. I help her out with things and she helps me out whenever I need help. We work as a team. The only difference is that she recognizes me as the leader in our relationship. And she wouldn't want it any other way (like most women). Does that mean she is my "slave" like some snowflakes here think? Of course not.
So, it you have to be careful with thinking men don't like independent women. From what I have seen it's not the independence that bothers men, it's the attitude and inflated ego is what's turning men off.
What the hell. So she submits you but you even can't provide her and do your part as a leader aka "traditional" man? Are you real? You are not a leader when you expect from her to financially support herself but also expect her to be submissive and traditional? You can't eat your cake and have it too. She can do better than you and can get a traditional man who would provide her. No offence but that is like when a girl expect from a guy to provide her, pay the dates and to be traditional but herself is not traditional and dont do her part and so also expect from the guy to do the household chores and cooking. Sorry if i sound rude but i am literally shocked.
Sorry but you are exactly the male version of these so called strong women
I know enough people who are in leader/submissive relationships (marriage) and you are not one of it. As a leader you should at least own the the responsibilities when it comes to financial aspects. I am from a very traditional culture and men who let/ make their women work are not seen as men. So i guess you want to be a leader/traditional man but dont want to own financial responsibilities which is oxymoron.
I am sorry again for being rude. Maybe your culture have a complete different meaning of leadership.
Sorry spaming, just ignore all my comments under your opinion
@hi_it_is_me123 Being a leader doesn’t equal being a traditional man. Leadership comes in many forms. Also, nice of you to mention it, I do provide for her in many things which includes paying for us both. I pay for entrance tickets, fuel or food whenever we are out or on a vacation. Not because she is dependent of me, but because I do hold some traditional values. And she spoils me with things by like giving me love and by cooking (these were mere examples).
So YES a woman CAN be submissive and traditional while still provide for herself. She isn't just isn't THAT traditional. Being traditional or not is not like black and white. It has shades to it. Meaning there are levels to how ‘traditional’ you are. Also, I’m Dutch. So yeah, our views may differ.
When I’m getting to know a guy, I would really really want him to tell me whether he likes independence and intelligence in women. I really would love to know asap.
This is because I need to know if I should run for my life and stop wasting my time with a sexist douche. ❤️
Intelligence and independent are signs of confidence. Which is great, don't get me wrong, spending a lot of time with each other is nice but not 24/7. Myself and her are more than a couple, we have friends, interest, likes and dislikes that makes us who we are and why were attracted to each other besides sex. Any male/female can have sex without a relationship and is shallow because each other are looking for the bare minimum if you use standars: opposite sex, breathing, of legal age an thats it.
So having traits and a personality is great.
@navyrobin, this was in no way directed at you. You OP was same as mine I just added to that idea.
@navyrobin thanks 😁
Have you ever met one of those women? I doubt It's fear that's putting men off, it's the fact they're obnoxious bitches.
I don't know about that... that is why I updated the question with a video that goes deeper into it.
Do the "I can do everything" women even exist? Or is that just an illusion made by the media? I wonder.
All I know is that I've seen many successful people and almost none of them had such attitude. Maybe men don't like to date immature adults who think they can have it all. It's just a guess, of course.
They don't exist. But what DOES exist is the attitude created by the media, which leads to some younger women thinking that it's what they have to be like. If they EVER find themselves NEEDING help from someone else, especially a man, then they have failed in the eyes of society.
@AD240pCharlie I can't speak for every woman, but I can say I felt that pressure and know what you say.
Still, it never bothered me much because it's quite easy to see how nonsensical that concept is. And I like to think any woman, or man for that matter, who has actually had a job, got paid, and paid taxes, is able to identify that concept or similar ones as pure nonsense. It simply isn't how society, life, and especially achieving success work in general.
The "I can do everything" people are usually dumb, arrogant, self-serving, and generally impossible to work with. I can't see how they'd be fit for a teamwork like married life or relationships.
@Mia-Wallace @AD240pCharlie check out the update video above.. they do exist!
Yeah, that's the thing. Most people who express that attitude tend to actually be the LEAST successful people.
Someone who's ACTUALLY a "strong woman" understands the need for cooperation, compassion and sensitivity. The best leaders are the ones who are understanding, empathetic and respectful, regardless of their gender.
Therefore, someone who actually IS successful will, because of experience, know that no one can do anything by themselves. No one gets to where they are on their own.
We're herd animals, and our natural instinct is to help others and allow others to help us. That doesn't make you weak or dependent, it makes you human. And if someone is successful in their field, they will understand that since they have the experience.
@AD240pCharlie Right on.
Lol. These are not men, these are little boys who can't stand normal women who dont want to be slaves. I am disgusted of these boys who want second mums aka slaves as partner's. If you are scared of non submissive women aka of women who dont want you be your slave, then you need therapy. These hypocritical bastards are also the same idiots who call submissive men simps. Lol they want women to be submissive slaves but also call women feminiazis for prefering submissive men.
LOL that is a bit extreme
I am not. I dont understand why i am seen as a feminazi just because i want a man who is equal to me. Is it too much to expect from normal things such as cooking, cleaning etc shit
Did you seriously dislike my comment? If you can't stand negative comments, then dont ask any question on gag
I have seen you calling another opinion giver names for not having the same opinion as youm
I didn't down vote your comment. Look I will upvote it.
Sorry then
The men wanting you to be slaves is a bit extreme. I don't know any men like this so if they are out there I would stay away lol.
The guys who are against such "independet" women are the one who prefere very submissive traditional women in my experience. I personally prefere a man who pay half of the bills and do half of the household chores like me or i even can financially provide my potential man but some people think i am crazy or even feminazi for not being traditional... i am surrounded by traditional/religious people. Maybe i misunderstand your question
@hi_it_is_me123 I just posted an update check it out.
No one wants to date someone who makes it clear that their partner isn't needed in their life. For example, my boyfriend and I make about the same yearly. Depending on his over time, he makes a bit more, and I have a degree and he doesn't. Financially, we don't need one another. However, we are very emotional and need that support from one another. We've cried and vented to each other, confided in one another, and confessed things that we never felt comfortable saying to previous partners. The attitude mentioned in that photo, whether it comes from male or female, is what drives people away.
Why are men scared? I get a super crush on girls when I find out not only is she beautiful, but she’s smart as hell and has a decent job like a nurse or some other college degree type job. And when we have conversations she actually knows what I’m talking about and we can talk about interesting shit like philosophy science and really any topic.
She makes her own money and I don’t have to buy her nothin! Good lol. Thank god. She can buy me stuff instead!
And I’ll reward her with good fucking. Besides it’s not that hard to please a woman. Stuff her full of food, and stuff her full of dick, and you got a happy woman in my opinion.
But the thing is, is such attitudes are laughable. And ignorant / arrogant on the woman. Just as how it is ignorant & arrogant of a man to think the same.
The average woman as example has no clue about cars or home renovations/maintenance tasks. Unless, like myself, they grew up in a family where male relatives taught them (my father was into buying/flipping houses so I'm very adept with tools/renos & my cousins were into cars so I am quite good, been better than my brother, with cars).
A relationship is a partnership. If someone is too immature to realise that then they should spare the world & date themselves.
Not at all!! Why would you need to ask that, unless a lot of men were scared? But WHY?
Are those guys afraid of her, THINKING, and having her own feelings, and things she likes, and, wait, OMG, maybe thinking HE would care?
I love those women that are confident, and are being who they are, and I love the time with them, and sharing things, together! Why can't she just say she wants to eat at this place, or suggest that we go, wherever, and be together, and share the experience, be it walking on a beach, or Hiking in a forest?
I love the women that KNOW they are at least my equals, and they tell me where they want to eat, and even, sometimes pay!!
It's an interesting new world, and I can't wait to see how it unfolds when more and more accept that they are at least EQUALS!! :)
No. A strong man has no problem dating a strong woman. That comes with a caveat, however. A man has no problem dating a NATURALLY strong woman. A weak woman who tries to act strong will compensate in many ways that come off as incredibly vapid and annoying. It's like saying, would I want to date a tomboy, or a pickmeisha? One is naturally independent, the other puts up a facade that is easily seen through. The same can be said for men. Naturally strong men are attractive, but men who are envious and try to appear strong come off as assholes. Overall, It's best to stay in your lane and accept where you grew into on the dominance hierarchy.
Okay, I didn't watch the video.
My view is that if they are scared, they are probably scared to even approach most women.
In other cases they probably don't have the tools to navigate and find out what she is looking for. A woman who is independent or has a lot of responsibility (like a CEO) wants to know the guy can measure up, keep up, and handle the demands of her life.
As more women move into these roles guys are going to have to adapt. They are going to need to figure out the "new filtering" women are going to be using to find someone suitable for them.
I don't think the guys are scared (the remaining ones) they just don't have the tools or knowledge to show they can handle an independent woman. The result is they even try.
Option C: There's a difference between being "scared" of someone and highly disinterested. If a woman wants to try to be a sh*tty, pseudo-"Alpha Male," because she's insecure and feminism is making her even more insecure in an endless feedback loop, then she certainly doesn't need any man to be with, let alone would ever complain about it, right? So, what's the problem?
(oh right; it's *you.*)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9155473/charlize-theron-shockingly-available-needs-a-man/
(comments:) > "Imagine if some guy had an article written for him, and demanded women step up and date him. She demands it. She's asking like an entitled snob who feels denied something they feel they are owed."
If you can do everything yourself, then what do you need a guy, or even a girl, for, since you seem too be doing fine on your own.
How I was raised, by a feminist mother, a person who believes in equality, not isolationism or volcanism, being capable of doing something doesn't mean that you necessarily have to do everything and if you insist on doing so then you are fine by yourself.
Some people appreciate help even feel absolutely needed to get something done simply because it makes it easier and for companionship.
If a woman can do for herself I have no issues with it.
To me it means that she was raised without gender roles, although some things can still be considered more emotionally sensitive or more masculine.
If a woman could do things for herself, frankly it'd be a turn on.
We would both be able to do whatever we wanted to do within reason of the guidelines to our set relationship.
One thing I have been against and I make sure to follow through with myself.
If I am in a relationship with someone (Primarily towards the beginning before I get to know friends and things) I will not hang out one on one with the opposite sex.
It helps to build trust first.
These women are only “independent” because they live in an advanced digitized society that negates gender differences. If there was ever a serious break down in civilization things would go back to what they used to be.
Not to say the female gains in the workplace is a bad thing. It’s a really good thing. But this feminist attitude that “us women rose up and made it all on our own” is disillusioned self serving bs.
There are two main reasons women have succeeded: sympathetic men who supported feminism and a modern society that requires less physical manual labor. But even the foundations of the internet was developed by men. Women are just succeeding on platforms that were invented and developed by men.
I don’t hate women and I really want a real equal society. But there “modern” feminists are just going off on conceited hate. They have issues that have absolutely nothing to do with “patriarchy” but they just want the cop out of blaming someone else.
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