Are men these days scared to even try and date the new independent "I can do everything myself" woman? (Page 2)
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I don't think that it's fear. There is a big difference between a woman who has a job and is just doing what they can, and a career woman. In my experience both in the corporate world and when I was dating, which was quiet a while ago, that many women who are ambitious are also tied into other feminist ideals. When one takes on a title the entire connotation of that group comes with it, such as one can't be a national socialist (NAZI) without also being a racist, even if you agree with the original platform of the party and disagree with the race issue that is secondary to the key elements of the group and by taking the one on you are tarred with the other. Feminism has a horrible track record of human rights abuses and miscarriages of justice , a "strong indipendant woman" would also be part and parcel to those abuses.
It really does seem to be a huge difference between the responses of men and women here. Men don't understand what women mean when they say "independence" and women don't understand what men mean when they say they don't like it.
Men want to feel needed. That doesn't mean that we don't want you to have a career or a life outside the relationship or follow our every order (like a lot of women here seem to THINK it means), it just means that we want to feel like you can rely on us. Let us help you out, bring you gifts and make you feel safe. You can do that without being "a slave".
Being independent and intelligence is fine untill it becomes pride and then arrogance
Bc they get superiority complex which makes someone feel entitled same goes with men but women express it more like they want to prove it and make you acknowledge but if it was they knew they are intelligent and and with right attitude their work or behaviour will automatically shine and there are such women as well who don't think they have to be like men to beat men at there own game so if someone knows to balance ibtellegince and compassion then it's fine and it's just my opinion it doesn't mean I am insulting or saying others are wrong i believe in compassion more than intelligence
It’s not that I oppose it at all, it’s just that these women are typically very hoity-toity and entitled. It seemingly comes with the territory. They are “independent and empowered” women, so “only the best for me” because “I deserve it” and “I had a hot guy hit on me once” so “nobody of ‘lesser variety’ allowed.”
Seems to be that way. Women are very selective already, and that’s ok, but honestly it’s like, I’m just trying to find someone reasonably attractive and have a conversation. Get to know somebody, and I can’t even say “hello” 90% of the time without getting brushed off.
Scared? No.
But do we want to date these angry proto feminists? Not when there's better ladies out there, no.
Fembots, listen up. If you're standing on your pedestal proclaiming that the reason you're single is because men are afraid of you? That's a lie you're telling yourself, to protect your ego from the real reason - which is that men don't want to date you. You're not attractive to them, probably through personality but not necessarily. And if you snort derisively at that, and are about to claim that men are only interested in physical attributes so your personality can't be the issue... that just confirms that it is.
Dating somebody with that "I can do everything myself" attitude is a train to failure. Somebody who thinks that is not going to ever see much value in you, and if they don't think they need you then ultimately you're wasting your time because they're never going to put you first.
Right!! Like I’d much rather feel needed.
There is no problem in dating an independent woman, but the problem starts when she starts to confuse the independence with trust and responsibilities she owes to other relationships.
I had a girlfriend who was the same,
She took her decisions by herself, but when I tried to give her a better option, she often threw it in the bin.
Thinking that I was trying to impose my decisions over hers.
Next is when I used to worry about she returning late from office, I used to call her and ask her about her whereabouts, she took that to be nosy and clingy.
That I was trying to track her, I was like give me break that was my concern and care of you keeping well.
We split up way too fast, as I didn't see any point investing my energy and love there. 😊.
Try this with an independent man, and he will surely act differently and will weigh the decisions and responses correctly. 😬.
That's the difference.
I dunno what that means, females are the same now as they were back in the 2000s in my opinion, I think it’s jus an illusion or lie that they’re now super independent,
Like back in 2000, they get on with life and do as they please, same as men do, no one helps one another more than than any ever have, nothing’s changed
What kinda stuff do u mean they do by their self anyway? Like putting a lightbulb in their self or installing a cooker (basically a mans job)?
I don’t think I’ve seen many of these girls, so not bothered, cos it’s only a small majority of butch lesbians
There is an update video that gives some context.
I wouldn't say "scared", that word comes from that exact type of women. It's a word that's mean to serve their ego. Really, what it is, is a red flag, it's an obnoxious attitude reflective of inner flaws. We're a social species, we're a cooperative species. Just as there are no ants without an ant colony, we need each other -- so the whole emphasis on independence and disregard for needing others only speaks to their foolishness. They actively push away from men and then act surprised when men aren't interested in them.
I dunno about other men, but personally I don't have the time or interest to be with a woman who isn't her own person who does her own things. I want a partner, not somebody to take care of.
I don't know about other men but i personally prefer these modern and independent women.
i don't want a womanchild to babysit.
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That is true!
I definitely think there's a way a woman can be very confident that's really attractive to me. There's a feminine way to do it. If she has ambition and knows she can do a lot without much help from me, but also truly appreciates when I want to help her, that's great. She should also support me as well.
She shouldn't be rude about people wanting to help her.
Only the weak ones. Just cause I CAN do everything by myself doesn’t mean I WANT to. We still enjoy romance, sex, and companionship. Any man who is scared of an independent woman is simply a coward.
Very true
There's a difference between an independent woman and an "Independent woman", just like how there's a difference between a genuine nice guy and a "Nice Guy".
What we dislike is the latter. The kind of woman who makes them being strong and independent into their entire personality. The women who would NEVER let us help her with anything because that's a weakness.
If you earn your own money but still want me to kill a spider once in a while, then there is no problem.
Independent women always have really high standards, especially ones that make good money. Most men would rather date women who are some what in need of something.
@BjornIronPeenus If you can't live up to their standards that’s perfectly fine, they’ll simply find someone who can.
I got no problem with that, but their dating pool is limited that way just saying.
@AD250pCharlie well said. Of course your comment will go ignored because it goes agaisnt the only weak men will belief.
@Sparda20xx @AD240pCharlie his comment went ignored because it didn’t add anything of value to the discussion. There will always be people who take things to the extreme. If you’re scared of a small minority of women that take independence to the extreme, then you’re still a weakling.
So explaining the difference in terminology, and perspective doesn't add anything of value to you. Interesting.
Considering that the question is geared to the men, I find it interesting that you think that his perspective as a man adds nothing of value. Despite him explaining his perspective on said question which again was directed to men lol.
@Sparda20xx The fact that he’s a man isn’t what made his input worthless. It was the fact that that specific piece of information didn’t really add anything to the discussion. I never needed him to explain any terminology. The question was open to both guys and girls, and so I answered. He commented, and I didn’t feel the need to respond. The fact that you’re so upset about that is very weird and I’m gonna assume you’re upset because you’re one of those weak men.
@Cherokeehp You're saying only the weak ones don't want to date an independent woman. He's saying there's two different types of independent woman in the perspective of a man. As with anything there as those who are something and those who claim to be. Like Christians, there are those who will tout Bible verse all day long, yet wouldn't help a dying baby, and there are people who let their actions speak for them. Also, I see that you're the type that equates debating to being "upset". I implore you to realize that text lacks tone. Therefore, unless I insult you, as you did to me, it's almost impossible to determine if I am upset. However, you're response of I am a weak man, clearly means I touched a nerve. I am all for healthy debates and understanding one another perspective, but the moment one resorts to insults, display one's lack of maturity. With that being said, have a good day,
@Sparda20xx Dude with every group there are extremists. But when I said independent women I meant real normal independent. In the same way that if I were to have said Christians I meant the average everyday Christian and not a religious fanatic. Extremists are a small minority that exist within every group. I assumed it would be obvious that I was not talking about the small minority of extremists. Also, I’m not insulting you. I’m just calling it as I see it. You’re putting out weak vibes. This issue was never a matter that needed to be debated. I ignored his comment because he didn’t add anything that I didn’t already know or of value.
As I said previously, the moment you resorted to insults was the moment I lost interest. Up until that point, although I disagree with your perspective, I respected it and wanted to see how you'd respond. Nevertheless, I wish you a good and safe weekend.
@Sparda20xx wasn’t an insult. I just drew a conclusion from an observation.
Brainwashed sjws NPCs everywhere what the hell is this world coming to. Like oh my fucking god. There's two quotes that come to my mind. 1 is. Stupid questions receive stupid answers. Or maybe that's how it should go The other one is. Arguing with a moron is fruitless they will beat you with experience
The question that you asked is very ignorant rude and disgusting and deplorable pretty much just like what the leftists are in general. I could rant on more but you get the picture maybe not who knows who really cares about people with that type of mindset. But I digress let's move on to the question on hand to give you a stupid answer your stupid question.
No man's scared of such such things men not Boyz men hate and loathe people with that type of mindset and thinking of such there is no fucking I in team.
Men are better suited at working and doing jobs because we have more stamina and better regeneration capabilities we can heal faster we're able to recover faster because our blood move through our bodies much better and more efficiently than a woman's can. Due to the soul fact that a man's heart is 2 times bigger than a woman's this means it's capable of intaking and capable of the output of blood. Also men have much more denser and stronger muscles and capable of growing much stronger in the.
And because of this it leads us to go on adventures and think and imagine stuff.
Women mostly probably the Asian descendants will have better abilities to read right to Artistic things as well as come up with strategies because they're the opposite of what a man is. But this skill set isn't utilize or maximize to its highest capacity.
In the Roman Empire and Greece women were actually very valued when it came to economic trades and stuff back in those days in some animes like Spice and Wolf and the rising of The Shield hero women are depicted as very good with money. Which actually is true to an extent and they're very good and clever at bartering. This is due to the soul fact that they're the opposite of what a man does and is they're more strategic more thinking more Gathering and non-physical stuff thus they are the magician and men are the warriors.
Sadly your type of people are nothing but scumbags that devalue and depreciate what men are and what men are and is. And quite frankly no man wants a scummy person as a partner in life.
There is no I in team if you're all about me and not about we then I have no time for such insolent childish people and that's what these sjws and feminists are childish little kids that need a good old-fashioned spanking entry put in their place now a lot of men aren't going to read your stupid pathetic question only some well the only reason why you are so up on the main page of the website is because you're an sjw Warrior probably and you Pander to such ideas.
You fit the agenda of this websites or other websites goals. Honestly and quite frankly your question irritates me just because it's an ignorant type of question that's super stupid.
As I said again there is no I in team I don't need somebody that's all about me I need somebody that's about we
Not at all. Confident accomplished men aren't afraid of a confident accomplished woman. It's the overgrown boys who can't handle a confident woman.
I don't want to be with the woman who can't manage without me. I want to be with the woman who has a choice, and chooses to be with me.
I am partly so... i want a girl that can acknowledge when she could use help rather than push to do everything herself. I don't mind independence. I would love that but let's say she needs to help her family paint a house or she had to move, I'd like to be invited to help her do it
They're not scared. Whenever men don't like something people accuse them of being scared or intimidated. What they're doing is indirectly calling those men cowards.
News flash: men can dislike something without being scared of it. The women who speak like that are simply unattractive, and it's mainly about their attitude rather than the fact that they're independent.
Not scared, but many of the women fitting that profile have impossible expectations and find any excuse to reject a guy or kick him to the curb, it’s simpler and easier to do a hookup in many cases.
Honestly I find people like that tend to have arrogant and inflexible attitudes, regardless whether they're male or female. They're like the kid at school who wanted all the toys to themselves, so other kids stopped inviting them to play altogether.
To clarify I actually find independence attractive in a woman, because I'm pretty independent-minded myself. But there's a line between independence and arrogance. Anyone who seriously thinks they can "do everything themselves" are probably blind to just how much society props up their very existence. Dump some IT manager or HR consultant onto a deserted island, and see how long they cling onto "doing everything themselves" before actually realising they're fucked without a tight knit, competent tribe
It's got nothing to do with being scared or intimidated. I just have no interest being the kind of person I don't want to be with.
Those type of women don't intimidate or frighten me they annoy me, they turn me off and they stress me out when I have to deal with them. And I'm just not willing to put myself in that kind of situation where I'm gonna be miserable all the time.