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Most women who have told me that they don't need a man have, within 5 minutes of uttering those words, asked me for something or wanted me to do something for them.
I've known plenty of genuinely strong and independent women in my life. My aunt, who ran a trucking company for 40 years, in charge of 30-40 rough men, for example. Or a boss I had when I worked in IT for an international bank. None of those women ever referred to themselves as "strong and independent" because it was unnecessary - it was obvious to anyone after 5 minutes. But neither did any of them ever act dismissive of men, despite their positions of authority over them. I'm pretty sure they were all in relationships with men, but no one ever called them weak because of it.
When I hear women say those words, I know she's really trying to convince herself by saying that out loud, and that it probably won't take long for her actions to prove the statement a lie.
Agree a thousand percent. The photo of that woman is like a gold digging psycho. Guaranteed
I think who hurt them so bad that they think they don’t need their counterpart I’ve accepted that men and women need each other even if we think we don’t we do anyone who thinks otherwise should stop lying to themselves
I think I agree. Lol. Please use periods and commas.
@AndriaAlex that’s what I keep seeing in my messages but sentence structure is not one of my strengths but I’ll try
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My theory is the men confuse need with loyalty and assume a woman who does not need him will not be loyal to him when in reality, it’s the woman who need a guy that are less likely to be loyal to him if he loses his job or his intelligence or health, since these woman are not independent enough to look after somebody else when it is not equally returned by the same measure of good use.
It's an unnecessary and unappealing show of bravada or independence. I'm not impressed by that.
Agreed!
Many will say turn-off, let's just understand that. Most of those women don't because many men don't do what they got to do and shame and mock them, but abuse the ones who do. The truth is we all need in each other. But many don't need a man to be happy, and nowadays that can mean a lot of things. I just think everybody is not respecting what a woman means. It is all based on her attitude and intent. Nobody knows why she doesn't, but they shame her for not. I have friends who need a man, but they consistently get hurt, used, and abused. They don't feel good enough.
So it's best to be careful when generalizing men and women in this area. There are men who understand why a woman don't. And there are men who are mad they can't use a woman that have 0 to do with that guy. There are women who don't need a man because they were taught and raised to be independent for good reasons. Those women who were used abused also and are FORCED to be that and now don't need one to protect themselves from that AGAIN. Those you just have independence naturally and really don't need a man. They are not disrespectful. They're just stating that they don't, the insecure men are the ones who get mad. Then you have those who don't, and want and is unstable. And others who don't and really hate men, period.
So again, It really matters of intent and what meaning are you saying?
@numibia312 How am I a liar? Just because you haven't, or we don't know unless she herself says so, that doesn't mean that there aren't men who do. I have seen men who do. I have dealt with men who do as abuse victims myself, and I know men who don't. So what what you find to be a trunoff. A secure person doesn't care. They will be with people who don't find it to be a problem. I am strong, physically, mentally and psychologically. Emotionally as well. Naturally independent. What is wrong with that? As an INFJ I am naturally that. I have no problem with that. The truth is no. You just sound like again, you do not know how to love a woman for who she is. And abuse is many. You sound emotionally and psychologically abusive. That's why an independent unit and "nice girls" are a turn-off to you. You'll emotionally and psychologically abuse them.
"that told me she needed me i actually looked at her with empathy and embraced her tightly and treated her better." So you can't do that for an independent woman or a nice girl? Says a lot. Balance is not what you're looking for. You want to be selfish and feed your ego and use "empathy" and physical touch to feed off of her. You're using a woman for yourself. That is wrong. And she deserves better. Not a man who pretends.
A man who truly desires to take care of his woman, RESPECTS his woman no matter what personality type or quality she has. Why are women more accepting and affirming of men, and get shamed for it, yet you cannot do the same for women? Such hypocrisy and you're proving my point. One of my friends developed trust issues because she had exes like yourself. Unstable in all of your ways.
@numibia312 Buddy. No secure woman wants guys like yourself. We don't. And we don't come to you. You're the one looking for us. And when you get to know us, you run. You sound like you pick up a woman who doesn't love herself or can't be without a man because she doesn't love herself. That is what you want.
You don't like them because you're insecure yourself and they have the "manliness" or project something you lack yourself. And as long as the girls you get don't see a real man, you don't feel threatened. Again, we don't approach you. We observe you from afar and we know to avoid you. So what "nicegirl" or independent woman looking your way? None. If they are, they're insecure.
@numibia312 No I am not. Just speaking to you proves my point. Nobody is a threat to you, and to be honest you know nothing about those girls to say you don't want to marry them. Nobody says you have to date them or marry them. But don't reject them without befriending them and understanding who they are. They are different people and you lack that maturity and understanding. Nobody has to lump you anywhere. I can just say that clearly, you are not mature. Your just a jerk.
I again no why:
1. The independent women won't tolerate your BS.
2. The nice girls are too emotional for you, she will leave you feeling guilty or you don't want to feel like she is the one who got away because she treated you with the love you refuse to afford her.
3. The ones you claim o have "balance" so much are the ones who you don't have now.
What is your excuse? You are 19 years old and you haven't got it.
@numibia312 I never dated ever in my life. The fact that you say such an ignorant thing is another reason why I stay single. You men who have that behavior are hypocrites and lairs. No. You're the jerk who I wouldn't stand to be around, and I WOULDN'T WANT somebody like yourself at all. Your fake. Oh yeah, and you're doing it. And first of all, no. I am just highly intuitive and discerning. I know who is who. I don't even have to project anything. If anything I is "projecting" what is already in you and what I am gathering and reading from you. And you are who you say your not.
@numibia312 Kid I am about school you right now.
"seriously think about it for a second. do you think it would be a good idea for me to be with a girl i dont like?" How can you like a girl YOU DON'T KNOW!!! Are you that naive and dense! That's why you BEFRIEND people and get an idea of who they are. You don't DATE RANDOM PEOPLE!
"you want me to give nicegirl and independentwomen a chance but if i did i won't like her?" Everything in life is a choice! You don't know who you may be paired up with. No matter who you date, you love them, cherish and appreciate them and they should do the same for you. It's a choice to not like a person, but now if who you want don't like you, then what? Don't ask for something you can't handle.
"so would that not be abuse?" Nobody is forcing you to do anything. But no woman in her right mind would want a guy with your attitude. So sound selfish and unhealthy.
"all i want is a girl who can be herself and tell me what she likes and what she dont." All YOU want. See how selfish you are? No woman who is like that wants a guy like you. Period. You know who your desrcribing? An independant woman. Yet you don't want one. An insecure woman doesn't know what she wants, what she likes because she haven't experienced much yet being an adult to know that. Or can be herself when you have that attitude! That is me, and I wouldn't want you. You are not emotionally right. Your selfish.
" all i want is a girl who can give me instructions and give me tasks, i dont ask for much." No. You area MAN! Be a MAN! And stop looking for somebody to tell you stuff. that is your job. That is not a woman's job. Oh hell no. You that weak as a man? Who raised you.
" i know i can handle that and i know if i let her control me with my consent for a bit i know that it will be better that way and that i would not have to die with anxiety knowing that my girl is happy the way it is. and if i dont find a girl like that i will probably will have high level of anxiety that i will think she will leave me anytime or cheat on me like why would i wanna live the rest of my live in anxiety?" NO, NO, NO OH HELL NO. YOu are a woman? A real woman wants a man, not another woman! Your anxiety is that bad, go see a professional counselor. Get help. Not a relationship. No. A woman will leave because of how you TREAT HER! And you don't treat her right. You want a woman who will TOLERATE your BS. Your wrong! And you need to stay by yourself until you grow up and learn. I had a daughter, she would not be dating you. You'll break her heart. Your that unstable, go get help.
What your convservasion tells me about yourself:
1. Your self-centered and self-serving.
2. You people-please if it BENEFITS YOU. Not because you're a giver by nature, but a user.
3. You have emotional neglect somewhere in your past, and now you doing that to other people, and you're only extending to women who give you want YOU to want. Or makes you feel a certain way.
4. You don't yet what it means to be a man. You are still a boy who has yet to grow up.
5. POOR RELATIONSHIP SKILLS/
6. Not yet stable as a person or within YOURSELF.
7. Wants to drag another person DOWN with you and your misery.
8. Asking for things he cannot handle.
9. Claims to desire a woman who he doesn't like. And therefore,
10. Doesn't even know what he needs in a partner.
On top of that. YOU ARE FAR TOO YOUNG. You personally. I have friends who married ta your age, they don't treat their women like that nor in front of their kids. You're insecure yourself. And you fix yourself before you start asking for women you can't even be responsible for. And you want to mock and make fun of me? Talk about projecting. I am 10 years older than you, and you mean to tell me you expect any woman to be involved with you or marry you, and you like that? That's why they would leave. Because you not stable yourself, but you're judging them. You have no respect and you don't love yourself. A man like you cannot appreciate love because you reject it. And you shame anybody who tries to share that with you because your scared as hell due to your problems. Not theirs. I know I have problems, but come on. I don't deserve that. And if you don't want to get hurt, don't do it to others who try to get to know and want to. Because at least they at least TRY. And you reject them without even trying to know them. Now unless their character is just that repulsive, then obviously don't date them. A woman who wants to cherish and lift you up to be the man they see and believe you can wants to be with you and see you as a potential mate. You won't know unless your try, since you are the one desiring something so hard. There is a reason why the word of God says that single life is hard, but marriage is harder. The woman you're describing is an independent woman who understands herSELF. The ones you're talking about are women who are NOT independent women. They're just jerks. Do you want high-class quality? Be a quality man yourself. Inside and OUT. Do you want to get to my level? WORK FOR IT. It is not just given to you without earning. That applies to me too. No double standards here.
You want that kind of woman. SHOW where you are deserving of her.
There is no insult here, I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH! And the truth shall set you free! You change as a person and you learn to develop healthy relationships with people. You must first grow to become a man before you try to get anyone in your life. And any problem your struggling with, you give that to God, and you go get help. And you need to interact with different people and get to know them. That is what you need to do and learn to better discernment of others. I am trying to teach you, not hurt you. It is sad, that you think this way. Your entitled to the kind of person you want. But you have long ways to go. Develop as a person first. Until then, please stop that because in the end, you're hurting yourself.
The same guardedness is the same guarded behavior those women you say you dislike have. They're scared of you as you scared of them. That is what you don't see.
@numibia312 I don't know what the hell is your problem is. You said you wanted to go, so go. And first of all. I told you why you're selfish. And women who have similar behaviors are too. But at least they learn about it and try to change. Somebody like you doesn't want to. Your so-called low IQ ain't the reason.
@numibia312 No way she wouldn't because I would teach her to be a good woman who can do better. And not with somebody who is going to hurt her. So excuse me? I know God. And I know my God does not approve when somebody like you want to try to use that to do what you do.
"so many people insulted gay people what happened to them? they themselves became gay
so many people insulted people that had cancer what happened to them? they got cancer
u can fall in same situation as me so fear the Lord."
I can tell you know nothing about the things you speak. Do you know who does that stuff? The devil. Cursing people. No, you cursed yourself. I didn't do anything you already try to do to me. You're a liar and you need to leave. And I find it to be highly disrespectful you want to talk about people like that all because you don't know how to love yourself. Don't go around lying on people.
God doesn't make people gay. Ever. It is wrong in his eyes!
Don't assume about why people get cancer. My late mother had cancer. She didn't get it by insulting people. You have no idea how cancer shows up. Not everything is caused by what you say!
You go curse yourself. Your ain't cursing me, rootworker.
Most of the times what women say, deep inside it has a different true meaning but they are afraid to tell it out loud because of jealousy or other sorts. For example when a woman sees another woman who is more attractive and becomes jealous, she might say that she is a slut. Or when girls are jealous because boys are stronger than girls, girls would tell things like "o you know what, you boys are stupid brutes", or other things like "toxic masculinity". So they interpret 'being stronger' as being 'bad' just to feel good about themselves.
This one also has true meanings:
It can mean:
- " Omg boyfriend cheated on me. "
- Or because of the fact that men are known to be the more independent sex when it comes to genders and generations by generations we know that women always relied on men more than other way round. So because of knowing this, women become jealous hence why lot of women nowadays are trying to become 'like men'. And that's why feminists get obsessed with words like 'independent', 'strong', 'performant', etc. Because these attributes are what men Excell better at than women.
I find it unattractive "turn off" if someone isn't interested in me. Pursuing someone who is uninterested in me seems pretty creepy. That's the kind of attitude that leads to stalking, rape, coercion, etcetera. That's the attitude that says, "what you want doesn't matter, what I want is the only thing that matters."
If a woman is just pretending to be uninterested, that's also a turn off because it means she's being manipulative and playing games. I enjoy playing games, it can be a lot of fun, but I don't enjoy games which are manipulative and designed to trap or deceive.
It is unattractive. It wreaks of pride and ego and of hostile intent.
I don't need a woman. I can live a full life, do lots of things, support myself and have times with my friends... but I want a woman. I want a woman in my life, I want companionship and a life partner. I couldn't have the child we have without her and I need her to help raise the baby.
Life is better with her in my life and we help each other and balance each other.
Those that spout that off... they seem to have dark, cold and black hearts so it is definitely a turn off. They seem to hate and want to rebel against the natural order of life... men and women want each other... they have relationships, raise families together... grow old together. They seem to want to rebel against nature's natural way.
GOLD!!
They annoy the hell out of me and I would never date a girl that says that shit.
Sounds like they would have commitment issues and never value the relationship fully cause "she dont need me".
Just to prideful and full of them selves to ever admit they need help, we all need help sometimes, nothing wrong with it, so women who so aregently claim "they dont need a man" really rub me the wrong way.
Good thing they dont need a man, cause they will never get one with that attitude
Why would it matter if she turns me on or turns me off? She doesn't need a man, so let her just go to a sperm bank when she wants to have babies, toxic masculinity or whatever.
Do you notice that there aren't very many of those women in their 30's? Such a peculiar phenomenon that strikes only very young women until they might actually want a family, or have been a single mother for a while and think hmm, maybe this isn't ideal, but that's already reality.
There's a group of "I don't need a woman" men, I believe they're called homosexuals.
Anywho, I find it both ridiculous and very funny. If you want to sabotage yourself for the sake of some more FB likes or whatever, by all means, it's a very classy act. Not one that turns me on though, why chase after someone who will never hold me in any high regard? Fuck that.
Self-reliance is good. As is having your own interests and desires. The kind of person who has a life that's satisfying on its own is the kind of person who makes the best partner, I imagine.
Unfortunately, most of the "I don't need a man" types aren't in that position. They may want a man for sex, or for money, or for companionship, but they can't admit their own limitations and desires, and often act like even conversing with you is a great and generous indulgence on their part, for which they expect to be richly rewarded. These are the kind of people who are best avoided.
If she doesn't need a man, why is she trying to attract them and use them? 😂 These women are "independent" but rely on their sexuality to get men's money as their income. Wow, strong woman there.
They don't need a man, they don't want a man, they can go on with themselves, by themselves. These women wonder why they cannot keep a man, geez. Imagine women, being with a man who always criticizes and rants on women all the time, sound fun? Neither is it fun for the man.
I saw a woman on a program brag about how manly she is and how much she hates men and then wonders why men, worth their salt won't even look at her. It did not help her case that she sounded like a man too. She was 'ok' attractive, but OMG bitchy. It's you attitude bitch!
She's threatening to not date anymore, to the welcome relief of the men in the room.
Never met one that meant it both in the way they lead their lives along side saying the words. I know girls who say "I don't need a man..." for xyz but "it would be nice if.." aka they want a man and have that emotional need.
They just don't want to equate emotional need to NEEDING a man to get by in life as far as survival in the modern world. Girls don't want to feel weak and many do things to PROVE they don't NEED a man.
Silly. It'd be like a guy sucking his own dick to prove to women he doesn't need them.
I believe there's two types
The I don't need a man type woman who understands that she's her own oerson and doesn't need to be referred with relation to a man to be valued. She doesn't hate men and will most likely have healthy relationships with good men, be it friends, family or romantic partners. This is a confident and strong woman who knows her talents and value. Definitely turn on.
The second type is just a bitter person, basically a female incel who chooses to hate an entire half of the population due to generalization. I have no thoughts about them.
These are often the same women who say they don't need a man, but still crave to be with one and envy women who are in relationships with quality men. These are often the same ones who end up as single mothers, or perhaps ARE single mothers and struggle with finances and stress so they try to score themselves a man who could be a provider for her and her kids.
They boast about not needing a man, but are the very ones who cry the most about being single.
They're annoying and are trying to deflect from the fact that they likely don't get any attention from men at all, so they go on the offensive and preemptively say that they don't need them. That being said, self-sufficiency is attractive because it shows that she doesn't need a man in order for her to function in life, which means he can trust her to get things done when needed. Who wants to be with a woman who can't take care of herself? However, arrogantly proclaiming that she doesn't need a man is not attractive and papers over the fact that she's insecure and probably doesn't get the attention from men that she wants. If she truly doesn't need a man, she doesn't need to say it.
not that it matters that im trans. But hell no to women that don't need a man. The category of call girls pretending not to prostitute. Want and need? I dont need a woman although I'm sexually attracted to women. I could be a billionaire and never come close to wanting the woman in that photo. Not even for a one night stand!!. Its like puting lipstick on a pig waking up the next day realizing in fear she's off her medication. Gold digging narcissistic medication. Lol. Kind of the two and a half men episodes of rose with charley harper.
But I am fantasizing that making/forcing her dressed like that getting dirty planting a garden or fishing against her will. Lol. Just like you can do to me,,.
I think a lot of those women are either
1) Lesbian (in which case they just need a woman)
2) Had a really bad experience with a man and don't want to keep it going "
3) Are frustrated with dating and actually do want a man but just don't like the feeling of getting turned down
If it's either #2 or #3 95% these women come right back around to wanting to be with a guy at some point. However, if it's #2 and they've had super bad experiences with men (not just they had a thoughtless crappy boyfriend. More so that they've been repeatedly abused by men in the past) they may not come back around to wanting a guy. However, if that's not the case they usually end up doing so.
It's silly, childish and only chanted by insecure women. The truth is we both need each other, man and woman are created for each other. Not everyone are meant to be married that is true, but even in those cases it isn't true that we don't need each other at all. We're social beings.
I find this incredibly frustrating because if you act like you need a man they think you're needy if you dont then you're in danger of emasculating the man.
I have always lived by the motto I don't need a man but I definitely want one in my life.
The one I wanted seemed to be focused on making me need him, only to criticise and neglect me when I showed signs of needing him.
He made me decide to never need him again
*or any man again
@lilyanony1 You shouldn't equate bad experiences with general principles though.
There are a lot of insecure people in the world and when people come across someone that seems clued up it bugs them. It happens to me all the time, and it's something that I encounter in all my relationships. People are more concerned by having power over others instead of focusing on whatever it is they are able to do to better themselves.
It's true... in all honesty... but a rather hasty and some what an overly emotional charged statement... that for obvious reasons are completely valid... repeat the statement over and over as nesesary.. to movitvate your ambitions and put the words into practice.. and away you go.. simple... facts are facts.. its best , we men accept , that... food.. water.. oxygen sun light... actually meet the..."needs list" quite sufficienty.. on the their own.. not being on your needs list.. is a fucking excellent idea...
Those type of women are ridiculous. They try acting overly independent and that is just not attractive. It's probably a total total turn off for guys when trying to get into a relationship since most normal people want someone to be there to lean on and that person lean on them too. Having that person there to lean on in times of need is very important. I hope these women realize that nobody can be completely independent. We all need somebody there for us sometimes.
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