Many guys want it both ways. They want to have sex with every girl they come across, but they want to have a long term relationship with a virgin, or a girl with a low number. It's the proverbial double standard. And the reason most guys won't stay with a girl if they don't get sex, is because so many girls easily give sex. if girls didn't give sex so easily, there wouldn't be the expectation from guys, to get sex so soon. It's the old story. Why buy the cow, if you get the milk free. There are guys who are interested in a relationship enough, to go without sex for three months and more, there just aren't a lot of them.
Uhhh... these guys can’t survive 3 weeks without sex. If these girls refuse sex, they would be turned off and the relationship usually ends up fizzling out soon.
Let’s face it , there’s no way a guy can get a girlfriend unless she GIVES sex by the 3rd week
Your imaginary standard about only dating women with a low body count is more like an dream rather than reality
There is a good chance you want a girl with a low body count, but you just can't get someone like that. Because you will be turned off unless she has sex with you by the 3rd week. Most guys are like that. There is a difference between what you want vs what you can get.
A woman with a low body count will NEVER have sex with you during the first month or even 3 months
You seem to be addressing me personally, as if you know something about my body count. My body count is 1, as is my wife's. There are many guys today, who still aren't all about getting in the pants of a girl. You just have to know where to look, and be the kind of girl that attracts them. Of course, there are many fewer than there used to be.
That's too bad, as likely, in a large city, they are more prevalent.
Exactly, amen. Double standards
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This is one of the very few societal double standards that despite best feminist efforts continue to favor men. The old saying is “a master key will open many locks while a shitty lock will be opened by many keys”.
Anyway women are the gatekeepers of sex in most cases. They usually don’t have to initiate and they have the power to say yes or no. They are USED to saying no and doing all the rejecting. Very very few guys get enjoy that kind of power.
However I try best not to judge women who have made the rounds given my own number is way up there. But what worries guys more is if we get in a relationship she can easily cheat if she gets bored or pissed off and use her emotions to “justify” it.
She’s used to random guys so the inhibitions to something shitty are technically more lower. Most semi attractive to attractive women can easily pick up a random guy at almost any time. Not the same for men (even for the good looking ones).
Promiscuous women are just less trustworthy. You could argue the same about guys but again we generally have fewer opportunities to cheat.
“Men often find they have more leniency when it comes to casual sex,” Sezer said. “It’s entirely viewed on gender and sex. It’s very much rooted in patriarchal society. Hookup culture has been around for awhile. On the other side of the coin, when women are at play, it’s a different story.”
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Lots of problems can be resolved if it wasn’t for the following:
- guys being “virgin shamed” with shitty labels weak, weird or gay if they aren’t scoring with women.
- girls taking advantage of men via friendzoning if he tries to take it slow and respectful because he wants a serious relationship.
- girls getting shitty messaging that “being promiscuous is about equality.” Ah no. There are consequences to your decisions.
- both genders becoming increasingly selfish. All about the quick gratification and being self serving. Men doing their hit and runs. Women exploiting decent guys for attention, money, validation while they fuck bad boys on the side.
If I had to choose between being shamed for being promiscuous vs. being shamed for being prude I would chose being shamed for being promiscuous.
Single women who aren’t sleeping around don’t get thrown under the bus the same way guys do who are in the same scenario.
- a single 35 year old woman is called a "spinster with 50 cats" while a 35 yr old man is called a bachelor.
- a bad mother is a terrible shame while a bad father is considered more acceptable since a lot of fathers a like that.
- A single woman who openly talks about enjoying sex is labeled a "whore" while a single man who openly talks about enjoying sex is considered "typical"
- To be a single mother, is more of a shame. To be a single father, is more of a pity.
- Deadbeat dads are not looked down upon nearly as much as single moms.
- A woman who leaves housework for her husband is considered a bad wife / mother. A man who leaves all the housework and child rearing for a woman is called a decent father.
- A man can insist on marrying a virgin while he sleeps around with a million women.
- Ugly overweight women are mocked wayy more than ugly overweight men.
- Its unacceptable for women to be shallow and only date rich men. Its acceptable for men to be shallow and only date young women.
- The typical woman is expected to take hours to look nice for a date while a man can just throw on a shirt and pants in 5 minutes.
- Men prefer women to be without makeup. But yet the only go for the pretty girls.
- Children's last names are named after fathers , despite the fact that mothers do the most work bringing them into this world and rearing them.
- Women carry the overwhelming majority of the responsibility of raising the upcoming generation, but they rarely ever get recognition for it. Single moms / whores are what our nurturers are called.
- Women are looked down upon for being successful career wise. (Oh, she must be a lonely woman with 100 cats). Meanwhile men are praised for being successful.
- When a woman is aggressive, she called bossy. When a man is aggressive, he is seen as capable.
- White hair and wrinkles on a woman is tragedy , white hair and wrinkles on a man is considered "acceptable"
Let’s not get into a pity party victim contest. But seriously I have a response for every single point you made above.
The only two double standards that I’ve seen favoring men are:
1. Promiscuity is somehow “masculine”.
If the guy can get a lot of action that means he made the “upper cut” and gets to pick from a plethora of women. Women are more attracted to taken men then vice versa because he is “in demand”.
It was insane how I witnessed this when I was in past relationships. Women literally coming out the woodworks when I was taken. Women want to compete for what they perceive to be the “top man”
2. It’s more acceptable for older men to date younger women.
Historically older men have been with younger women for almost all of human history. The older man is established and has resources to care for a younger woman.
In the recent decades feminists have tried to fight and tarnish this dynamic all they can. They push the “cougar” thing as an older woman still having and it’s supposed to be “celebrated”. They also try to creep shame the living fuck out of older men who date younger women.
Despite that crap most people still quietly find it more socially acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. I really noticed this benefit in when I got in my early 30s. I had an easier time getting women in their early to mid 20s vs back when I was their same age. I ADMIT that is one advantage that favored me. And given all the insane drama and rude rejection I dealt with when I was younger I felt zero shame dating younger woman. (I always treated them well).
So there you go. Above is where I witnessed privilege. But I disagree with virtually everything else you said.
Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:
Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.
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Statistics show that overwhelming majority of couples are 0-6 years apart. Sure, women like older men but just a few years older. On average 3.5 years older.
Not 13.5 years as you are imaging.
And if a woman does date a man who is 13.5-20 years older, money is usually involved. If a man dates a woman 15-20 years younger, its sex and her hot body that he's going after.
Why would it be acceptable for men to date for sex while its unacceptable for women to date for money? Both are equally just as shallow.
why isn't "gold digging" classed as femininity? Biologically all women have a need for a strong man to provide for her and her children. Why is it so wrong for women to date men based on his wealth?
A man's prime is in his late 20s- early 30s. After early 30s, your looks will start fading. So don't come on here and act as if you never age. Your weight gain, wrinkles and white hairs will settle in as you get older. Women will no longer find you attractive too.
Personally I am 26 and I only go out with guys 25-33. I don't go over 33 because thats when I see a lot of men like you start balding, gaining weight, losing hair, white hairs, or dull skin. I'm young and I have a ton of young men in their prime to pick from.
You're only dreaming if you think that you're gonna be 36 and still have plenty of 25 yr olds willing to date you. Statistics show that most of us prefer men just a few years older.
“ So don't come on here and act as if you never age. Your weight gain, wrinkles and white hairs will settle in as you get older. Women will no longer find you attractive too.”
Have I personally attacked you at any point during this debate? Debating and arguing against your ideas doesn’t mean I hate you personally. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean it’s okay for me to start taking cheap shots.
For the record I’m not delusional when it comes to aging. Yes I’ve witnessed less attention from females in the last 5 years. Although I did have a recent (discreet) fling with an attractive 22 yr old I know that was more luck than anything. However it wasn’t about money. She was bored and I was bored. She at least found me attractive enough to let it happen (twice).
But for real I don’t go around in public hitting on 21 year olds. I’m realistic that I don’t look as good now as I did at 25 or even 32. But I’m still in excellent shape and I got all my hair.
Case in point let’s not attack each other with cheap shots. When you do that it makes me shut down and become less receptive to your side of the debate. I wasn’t planning on bringing up my personal experience above. But that “don’t come in here and act is if you never age” was below the belt and unnecessary.
Also I brought up the two double standards that favor men above to SHOW you that this isn’t a “I’m right and your wrong” debate. That’s about me trying to look at gender debate and trying to be fair. Have you yet brought up any unchecked double standards women (including yourself) get to enjoy in western society? I haven’t seen you mention any yet. But we both know society definitely grants women special favors over men.
Ohhh... you can't stand the heat now? So now you're acting as if you were all polite, nice and considerate. You were NEVER polite throughout any of this conversation. You showed no acknowledgement towards the double standard that women face in regards to "sleeping around". Rather you chose to undermine it and resorted to look for excuses to show why this double standard doesn't matter. When were you being considerate throughout any of this?
Just because a 22 yr old would sleep with you, it doesn't mean she takes you seriously as a potential husband. I would sleep with 39 yr old, it doesn't mean that I want to date him. he's far too old for me. When I was 21 years old, I turned down a 36 yr old who wanted to date me because I thought he was ancient.
If you don't find white hairs, balding, first signs of wrinkles, dull skin to be attractive on women, what makes you think that we would find it attractive on men? double standard AGAIN
So you are fixated on BEING right vs. WHAT is right.
And really quit insulting me and other people over things I have no control over. A man can’t control his age, height (although I’m 6ft I do see women mocking short men), race, voice pitch, etc. He can only control his wealth, physique (to a certain extent) and his personality (to a limited extent).
No shit I’m 39. What am I supposed to... magically become less “ancient”? If you know where the fountain of youth is please let me know. I’ll happily jump in for a few minutes.
But truth me told I don’t need it that bad compared to other guys/girls my age. I still have visible abs and a well defined athletic physique because I WORKED for it.
You don’t see guys pushing victimhood initiatives like “fat acceptance movements” or bizarre feminist “slut walks” or other bizarre crap like “free the nipple”. That’s because we know sympathy does NOT equal respect. You earn respect by keeping yourself in shape, working hard at your job and trying to be a decent person. And yet fat women constantly complain about perceived “discrimination” when most of them are too lazy to do the right thing and exercise/diet properly.
Also men don’t look for financial handouts. We don’t not ever should look for someone to “save us”. And yet despite that modern western society does all it can to educate, promote and lift up women in the workforce we still have gold diggers. Women are also MUCH more dependent on taxpayer funded government entitlement programs. You don’t see “battered men’s shelters.”
And if men are so “privileged” and our lives are so much easier then why is it that we have 3.5x the suicide rate of women? I don’t want to get into race but white especially those dreaded middle age white men have exponentially higher suicide rates in comparison to men from other racial demographics.
Every time I bring up that ugly fact feminist either ignore or give a quick dismissive bs answer like “oh men just need more mental health therapy”’. No the truth is much uglier than that.
This is what I wish for as a man when it comes to dating in western society:
- For women to respect what the average hetero guy has to go through:
As a man it’s my job to make something happen with women. Despite the so called “modern” society it’s still up to me to stick my neck out with approaching women, getting her contact info, asking her on a date (and paying for it), leading the conversation and taking romantic risks (from a kiss all the way to sex I risk rejection.). Every once in a blue moon I will have a woman approach me but it’s rare. I don’t have the luxury of waiting for someone to come to me and being choosy.
Anyway despite what many women think most guys do NOT enjoy the process at all. It’s like being a door to door salesman who gets the door slammed on his face multiple times but he lives on a commission only so he HAS to keep knocking or he will starve.
I’ve learned many years ago that attraction isn’t a choice. Women have the right to reject me and vice versa. But all I want is RESPECT for what I have to go through with. Most women nowadays don’t respectfully reject men. They either ghost, friendzone, sometimes outright insult him, etc. I can count the times on one hand where I had a woman flat out say “hey it was nice to meet you but I’m really not interested”.
I’m not talking about 20 something women either. I’ve met grown ass women in their 30s who do this.
Ironically I seem to do better with much younger women in the last 5 years. That’s not say I exclusively chase college girls. I just talk to any woman 21 to 35 I find attractive and go for their. But strangely the younger ones are more receptive. My last girlfriend of a year was 26 when I was 37.
I have more to say about what I would like in society/politics. But for now can we keep this to dating and relationships please? thanks.
White men are the MOST PRIVILEGED. Studies have shown that professors are more likely to reply to emails sent by WHITE MEN. Corporations are also FILLED WITH WHITE MEN. Men have the privilege of working 16 hour days , neglecting their fatherly duties , then being praised for never being at home for his children
Meanwhile women work full time jobs and also have to juggle housework and child rearing. If she can’t successfully juggle both things , she will be shamed as a bad mother
Men have higher suicide rates because they are less likely to speak about their feelings. Women like to talk to their friends about how they feel. Men don’t have such relationships with their buddies. Women are better communicators than men.
It’s hilarious how you resent women for judging you due to superficial things such as aging , physique or wealth. So you’re saying you don’t judge women for aging? Who are you more likely to date, a 22 yr old or a 32 yr old?
What is the objective of this debate? Do you feel better that you got to ventilate your emotions? My ultimate wish to have meaningful male and female relationships in society. Not skyrocketing divorce rates, infidelity, depression, childless couples, resentment by genders.
As a man I can and will tell you that depression and suicide rated are NOT because we don’t “express our emotions”. Not is because western society is doing all it can to shame & blame men, steal away their agency meanwhile gaslighting then by saying they are “privileged”. Especially if they are white.
But then this whole debate is an exercise in futility. It’s quite obvious I’ll never change your mind or vice versa.
But serious I just have one simple question: has modern feminism made women happier? I’m not talking about traditional feminism. No I’m talking about the 21st century feminism. Has it seriously made both men and women happier?
To answer your question about dating women in their 30s. I have tried that. I won’t get into the details but some of the worst experiences I’ve ever had was with dating women my own age. They think acting bitchy somehow makes them look younger or something. They tend to have too much emotional baggage. It’s not just about looks.
[As a man I can and will tell you that depression and suicide rated are NOT because we don’t “express our emotions”. Not is because western society is doing all it can to shame & blame men, steal away their agency meanwhile gaslighting then by saying they are “privileged”. Especially if they are white. ]
Studies have proven women tend to communicate more about their feelings than men do. Women are born to be better at language and communication. Females express their worries by consulting their girlfriends. Males tend to internalize their worries and often do not have their fellow buddies willing to open up about their feelings.
Men get together to do activities such as watching basketball or play video games. Females typically get together to talk about how each of their lives are doing.
"But then this whole debate is an exercise in futility. It’s quite obvious I’ll never change your mind or vice versa."
You have no validity. how are you going to change my mind? There is research that supports my position.
[But serious I just have one simple question: has modern feminism made women happier? I’m not talking about traditional feminism. No I’m talking about the 21st century feminism. Has it seriously made both men and women happier?]
what makes you think that women are unhappy with feminism? Our society has been largely PATRIARCHAL up until the mid 2000s. Slowly this PATRIARCHY is falling apart over the years since then. So many double standards that women face. So many limitations where women were not encouraged to take pride in their brains and pursue their fullest potential.
"To answer your question about dating women in their 30s. I have tried that. I won’t get into the details but some of the worst experiences I’ve ever had was with dating women my own age. They think acting bitchy somehow makes them look younger or something. They tend to have too much emotional baggage. It’s not just about looks."
A 39 yr old man who has never been married nor does he have good relationships with women, is not a good look on you. Because guess what? MOST MEN around your age are happily married with children. If so most men can have successful relationship with women, why can't you?
Typically if you're unmarried over 35 years of age, there is usually a big reason for it. Likely it has to do with you, not women.
Are you married? Yes you did cite your studies and I respond with my own statistics. That will take more more time but I am too busy working a real job. Also GAG won’t let me post URLs anyway because I’m new
But back to your nasty comment me being unmarried that was brimming with wrong assumptions. There are NO guarantees in life. None. There are two women I could of been hitched to but I’m glad it didn’t happen (they both saw me as their “savior”.). That doesn’t mean I’m not opposed to marriage. But men have a lot more to lose on this. And here is an article from a LEFTIST source on why this is h ttps:// ww w. google. co m. mx/amp/ s/m. huffpost. com/us/entry/ 3467778/ amp
*there are spaces in that above RL
But anyway I get your 25 and it’s easy to get up on your high horse because the future doesn’t seem real to you. Maybe you will get married. Maybe you won’t. But there is no guarantee you will be in a happy marriage by 35 to an ideal mate.
But you are coming after me with personal attacks as a cheap shot attempt to discredit all my arguments. Again you care about BEING right vs what is right. Typical progressive. Everything is all about you.
"Are you married? Yes you did cite your studies and I respond with my own statistics. That will take more more time but I am too busy working a real job. Also GAG won’t let me post URLs anyway because I’m new"
hun, not everything needs studies. I know from experience that you're more likely to find a "bad seed" within the older populations than the younger populations. Good ones get taken earlier. So finding a bad seed in his 40s is not uncommon and shouldn't be surprising.
You have never cited absolutely anything. You never even mentioned of any sort of study. I MENTIONED A STUDY earlier in this conversation.
"But back to your nasty comment me being unmarried that was brimming with wrong assumptions. There are NO guarantees in life. None. There are two women I could of been hitched to but I’m glad it didn’t happen (they both saw me as their “savior”.). That doesn’t mean I’m not opposed to marriage. But men have a lot more to lose on this. And here is an article from a LEFTIST source on why this is h ttps:// ww w. google. co m. mx/amp/ s/m. huffpost. com/us/entry/ 3467778/ amp
*there are spaces in that above RL"
hun, no woman is going to appreciate a man with a sexist attitude like yours. Maybe thats part of the reason why you're single. Women do not like misogynists, or husbands who force them to be housewives, expect women to obey his every command, or act as if the troubles that women have to go through in life do not matter. If you see a genuine problem that women are facing, you acknowledge it. You don't pretend that it doesn't matter. This is what any good human being would do.
[But anyway I get your 25 and it’s easy to get up on your high horse because the future doesn’t seem real to you. Maybe you will get married. Maybe you won’t. But there is no guarantee you will be in a happy marriage by 35 to an ideal mate.]
There is no need for a woman to marry in order to have a family. I can have children without a husband or a man.
[But you are coming after me with personal attacks as a cheap shot attempt to discredit all my arguments. Again you care about BEING right vs what is right. Typical progressive. Everything is all about you.]
Of course I would attack you. You're not a decent human being. You're refusing to acknowledge genuine troubles that women go through. what can be worse than this? do you really expect me to respect you, if you're gonna have that kinda sexist misogynistic attitude?
If you can't respect my gender, I can't respect you either.
And you're sitting here wondering why you're still single at 39. I don't find it surprising that you're still single.
The three weeks thing is not true for me, nor is it true for most guys I know, especially if we see a woman as high value and worthy of a long term relationship or marriage. I have never had sex outside of a committed relationship and I don't respect people who do, man or woman. I have had sex less than three weeks after starting to date a woman, but we were committed at that point.
Now, there are definitely men who sleep around too, and right or wrong, they tend to not take most women who sleep around seriously, but they will have sex with them given the opportunity. But they won't likely see those women as candidates for a serious relationship of marriage.
But women of course do the same thing with so called bad boys. They find guys like that more sexually attractive and often have casual sex with them even though they don't see them as marriage material. When it comes time to settle down they look for a more stable, loyal guy who will make a better provider and father.
To answer your question... why do men say they don’t like women who sleep around? Because we don't respect those women and don't take them seriously.
You must be a ho if you believe they can't and don't.
Spoken like a true ho.
I'm sorry to break it to you, given that you are a ho, but men do not like hos and never will. Hos are low value.
@aliali8 try not to date whoever buys you a pint of beer at the local bar. Maybe you'll have better success. I've never had this issue of yours but then I've standards
@GingerCatLover I am very selective on who I go out with. So picky that I usually end up being single most of the time. But I do friends with benefits when I need sex.
@aliali8 - so you're not picky just cheap & in denial. I mean you just answered your own question. You act like a slut with friends with benefits & that's why decent men are not interested in you. I mean decent men wouldn't press for sex too soon. Men expecting a woman to act as a slut do.
@GingerCatLover the guys that I have gone out with know that I do fwbs. None ever had a problem with it. There is a good chance they have done it too.
We date based on personality, not on shallow shit like virginity
@aliali8 - then why are you bitching like a fool about men saying they don't like women sleeping around. You have your answer in your own cheap behavior.
@GingerCatLover Because thats only what I hear from online. In real life, I never see it. In real life, 95% of the guys I date will get turned off if I don't have sex with them by the 3rd week.
@GingerCatLover And no, I was not bitching like a fool. You're the one being super aggressive and bitching like a fool on here.
@aliali8 > In real life, 95% of the guys I date will get turned off if I don't have sex with them by the 3rd week. < like I said INCREASE your standards. I've standards. I've never had a guy pressure me for sex by the 3rd week cause they've something called respect. When you sleep around & have friends with benefits WHY would the guys respect you?
@GingerCatLover Because I've had guys who were willing to date me even after they knew that I have done friends with benefits? And trust me, I've never ever had a hard time getting a guy to fall for me. I have an amazing personality.
In large modern cities, casual sex is becoming the new norm. Everyone does it. The only places where this is not the norm are the small white Christian communities in the suburbs or midwest. Religious church goers.
@GingerCatLover Its kinda hard to get a girlfriend with a low body count, if you cannot even go 3 weeks without sex.
@GingerCatLover Thanks for chiming in. You are the kind of woman I respect and look for, and thankfully I have known quite a few. Women like aliali8 are fairly common as well but are easy to spot, and of course avoid. Cheap women attract cheap men, and it's rather sad when they try to justify and even promote their behavior.
@aliali8 > Its kinda hard to get a girlfriend with a low body count, if you cannot even go 3 weeks without sex. < ROFL. Nobody wants sluts, my dear. I have no issues having respectful & decent boyfriends because I respect myself & them. You... like many younger women... are just a few steps above a prostitute.
@Opinion Owner - you're welcome. Unfortunately, as you said, girls like @aliali8 are common. They're cheap. They either grew up in a shoddy household where parents were poor quality (e. g. consistently cheating, mum running a one-woman brothel with men in & out constantly, etc.) or they have self esteem / respect issues. It is pretty sad... they're sort of like junkies in a way. Self-destructive behavior by sleeping around and being cheap.
@GingerCatLover I think "cheap" is rather subjective. You would imagine that I have a hard time attracting a man but I've never had a problem getting a guy to fall for me. There are plenty of guys who saw me as marriage material. Just being honest
@aliali8 You claim you've "never had a problem getting a guy to fall for you" and that "there are plenty of guys who saw you as marriage material", and yet you are here posting questions and endless comments about the behavior of the men you've encountered that makes it crystal clear to everyone what you are and what kind of men you attract. You are a ho, by your own admission, and you attract exactly the type of men everyone knows women like you attract. This question and your comments here are hilarious.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You are not fooling anyone, ever. Women like you have a giant neon sign hovering over their heads screaming "I am a ho, so come fuck me however you want, whenever you want, because I am a ho and I have zero self respect and I know I don't deserve anyone else's respect either, even if I say I am proud to be a ho".
"You claim you've "never had a problem getting a guy to fall for you" and that "there are plenty of guys who saw you as marriage material", and yet you are here posting questions and endless comments about the behavior of the men you've encountered that makes it crystal clear to everyone what you are and what kind of men you attract. You are a ho, by your own admission, and you attract exactly the type of men everyone knows women like you attract. This question and your comments here are hilarious."
I wasn't complaining about men preferring women with a low body count. I was just referring to the IRONY of wanting a woman with a low body count yet these very same guys cannot go 3 weeks of dating a woman without sex. You can't date a woman with a low body count if you're gonna have sex with her after just 3 weeks or even 3 months. Many relationships fail within the first year.
MOST MODERN MEN CANNOT GO 3 WEEKS OR EVEN 3 MONTHS DATING A WOMAN WITHOUT SEX. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IN LARGER CITIES.
ALL THE GUYS THAT I HAVE DATED CAN'T LAST MORE THAN 3 WEEKS OR EVEN 3 MONTHS WITHOUT SEX.
THIS IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU NEED TO ACCEPT.
JUST BECAUSE A MAN WANTS A WOMAN WITH A LOW BODY COUNT, IT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN GET HER.
A WOMAN WITH A LOW BODY COUNT WON'T HAVE SEX 3 WEEKS OR EVEN 3 MONTHS INTO A RELATIONSHIP. HOW DO YOU THINK SHE MAINTAINS SUCH A LOW BODY COUNT?
"I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You are not fooling anyone, ever. Women like you have a giant neon sign hovering over their heads screaming "I am a ho, so come fuck me however you want, whenever you want, because I am a ho and I have zero self respect and I know I don't deserve anyone else's respect either, even if I say I am proud to be a ho".
Oh I get plenty of respect. I just went out on a date with a guy today. Its not hard for me to get a man. I've had plenty of men who had fallen in love with me over the years, that i never reciprocated feelings to.
And there is no way of knowing about a woman's sexual history. She doesn't have to tell you. Kegel exercises tighten the vagina. there's no way for you to know.
Continue calling me a slut, it doesn't matter because I will still be able to get plenty of men to fall for me
You keep saying Kegel exercises tighten the vagina. Why are you so fixated on that? LMAO
Trust me, men don't have to get anywhere near you vagina to know what you are.
Oh no, it doesn't piss me off at all, but it does make me laugh. Thanks for that.
You're going to need a lot more than Kegels to fix that problem for you. LMAO.
@aliali8 > I think "cheap" is rather subjective. You would imagine that I have a hard time attracting a man but I've never had a problem getting a guy to fall for me. There are plenty of guys who saw me as marriage material. Just being honest < I very honestly doubt that anyone except for an immigrant looking for a green card saw you as marriable material. What when you whimper about guys not liking women who sleep around.
@GingerCatLover
"I very honestly doubt that anyone except for an immigrant looking for a green card saw you as marriable material. What when you whimper about guys not liking women who sleep around."
I wasn't complaining about men preferring women with a low body count. I was just referring to the IRONY of wanting a woman with a low body count yet these very same guys cannot go 3 weeks of dating a woman without sex. You can't date a woman with a low body count if you're gonna have sex with her after just 3 weeks or even 3 months.
Many relationships fail within the first year.
There is a huge difference between what you want vs what you can get.
@GingerCatLover You're so brainwashed that everyone lives one way that you assume that I am "complaining" about men not wanting women who sleep around.
RE-READ THE QUESTION CAREFULLY.
There was absolutely no complaining involved. Just laughing at the IRONY of it all.
@aliali8 - no sweetie I'm *not* brainwashed. As I said before I have standards. I've never met or dealt with a loser who must have sex or expects sex early because he has more respect than that. But that's all you seem to know. ... And hmmm the title of your post is "Why do men say they don’t like women who sleep around?" what else is that but whining?
@GingerCatLover
""Why do men say they don’t like women who sleep around?" what else is that but whining?"
Because that is the title that gauges the essence of what this question will be about.
I have no reason to whine. Because if the overwhelming majority of men cannot date a girl for 3 months without having sex with her, there is no way these men are dating women with "low body count".
These men only dream of women with low body count but can never actually obtain them.
Most men from modern, large cities WILL NOT date unless a woman has sex within the first 3 weeks. Just being honest right here. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not, its the TRUTH
@GingerCatLover It seems more like you want me to be whining rather than any whining to be actually happening.
When it comes to real life, most of today's young adults report some casual sexual experience. The most recent data suggest that between 60 percent and 80 percent of North American college students have had some sort of hook-up experience.
www.apa.org/.../ce-corner
@aliali8 - " young adults report some casual sexual experience" - and if jumping off the eiffel tower without a parachute became the "in" thing to do would you join them? Some people are not sheep nor do they give in to peer pressure. I've too much self-respect to partake in causal sex.
@GingerCatLover You sound way more angry , irritated and bothered by me having casual sex than me actually having casual sex myself. why is that?
@aliali8 - bothered by what? I am highly amused by the fact that you bitch guys don't like women who sleep around & what are you doing, sleeping around? The hypocrisy is comical.
@GingerCatLover you have no proof i was bitching. you definitely sound more hateful, aggressive and bitter than I will ever be about me sleeping around. You can just tell purely by my cool attitude that I have no problem with finding love or dating. Happy , content people are never bitter or aggressive.
@aliali8 - if you're not bitching why is your title "why do men say they don't like women who sleep around"? Hmmm. You sleep around. Guys don't like women who sleep around. You don't suffer from memory disorder do you that you can't remember what you type?
@GingerCatLover I think thats just your own interpretation, not what it actually meant.
@aliali8 - then what's actually meant because that's exactly how it comes across. Otherwise it's a pointless question.
@GingerCatLover thats only how it comes across to you, not everyone else. You wanted this question to be "bitching".
And the funniest part is, you're more hateful, sad and bitter than me.
@aliali8 - what exactly am I to be hateful & bitter about. If anything I feel nothing but pity for naive little girls like you who don't know what men want but think because they're cheap & easy they're getting somewhere.
@GingerCatLover Your comments are posted above for everyone to read. Anyone who reads it can see your rage, anger and bitterness. This is what makes it so funny. And furthermore, you're trying to say that I am supposed to be the sad, bitter one for being undesirable. I don't think I'm nearly as bitter and angry as you on here.
This is all hilarious.
@aliali8 - sweetie there's been nothing in my posting that implies rage, etc. Now if I was swearing or demeaning you sure but I haven't been. As the option owner said you're hilarious. Oh and wherever did I say you should be rage, etc? Hmmm... Is English not your first language?
@GingerCatLover ohhh English is certainly my first language, which is why I can sense your hostility so quickly.
@aliali8 Did my attitude drastically change? Thanks for notifying me as I had no idea.
I also don't recall posting any angry rants. Can you please point out specifically what you are referring to? If you would copy and paste my exact words it would be appreciated. Thanks
@Opinion owner,
you acted as if I offended you by sleeping around. why so angry?
English is not my first language. I'm a college level , experienced reader. I can definitely sense your seething hate and aggression through your words. Its more about "how you say it" rather than "what is being said"
Yeah, I just reread everything I wrote and, again, I see nothing that even resembles an "angry rant". I was civil throughout. The only anger was in your mind. Please stop projecting it on others.
I would admit to "it" if I'd done it, or if you could even find "it", which you can't, soooo...
1. It's called having standards.
I don't know what men you're listening to, but if she sleeps around then she's clearly not worthy of a relationship until she reforms from that. There are too many STDs and pregnancies that are present in the world and here you are wondering why some men wouldn't touch women who sleep around.
The longest I been without sex involuntarily was 3 years and the longest I was voluntarily celibate was a year and half. I got so much accomplished for myself and know that I don't need nor want a woman that can't keep her legs closed. We men know what we want and we don't have to sit and listen to this "sexual liberation" stuff like this if we don't want to.
3 Months? Easy. I'm a virgin and don't mind staying that way. The important part isn't the sex, it's the connection and her personality.
Just don't pretend women aren't the same way. Most women love spreading their legs on the first date for guys they find sexy.
Ugh.. cause we don't.
If you're dating a guy for 3 months and you're still with him then yeah sex makes sense.
It's not like it's required, but 3 months is a long time to decide if you like him or not.
Women that sleep around obviously aren't dating men for 3 months before deciding to have sex. That or they jump from man to man every 3 months.
No matter how it goes it's not a good look.
You can, but that just means you're loose and cheap.
And men that wants relationships don't want loose cheap women.
Besides you already said 3 months isn't long enough and now you're saying you can like someone enough to have sex with them on day 1?
You're kinda contradicting yourself buddy.
Ugh cause you would have dated him and got to know him. Would you want to waste 3 months of time just for casual sex?
And if you have sex with him on day 1 you're considered loose and cheap. Now that would be casual sex.
You can't really get to know someone in only one day even if you're with that person for 24 hours.
I can get to konw a guy for 3 months before I asked him out. I can sleep with him once i asked him out.
But I think 3 month relationship is no where close to being a serious relationship. Its a casual relationship at best.
If you had 6 gfs by the time you're 35, you would have slept with at least 6 women. Thats not a low body count.
You're getting to know someone without dating them for three months?
Lol what kind of planet do you live on? If you're hanging out with him you might not consider it a date but he probably will.
What the hell are you talking about? If you're dating someone for 3 months that's a long time. A quarter of a year is a long time...
Definitely long enough to decide if you like that person.
And 6 people is a low body count compared to people that have double digits.
If you're still single I can definitely see why. You might want to waste your time dating a guy for like 5 years and still be undecided.
But men don't got time to play those dumb games.
Just because you want a woman who doesn't sleep around, it doesn't mean you can get her.
A man who can't survive 3 weeks / 3 months dating a woman without sex, won't be happy dating a woman who wants to have sex after first year of dating.
I don't think there's anything wrong with casual sex. I never found it hard to get a guy interested in me , even if he knows I do it. Most guys in my city do casual sex. Its very common
Ok you're clearly nuts and make no sense.
You go and sleep around all you want.
I'm telling you right now men looking for relationships don't want women that sleep around.
If you want a guy that pumps and dumps well good for you. Maybe you can make some money while you're at it.
I don't like women who sleep around; used and damaged machinery should be scrapped, because it's no longer valuable or roadworthy (it's reality, deal with it). I also would not insist on sex on the first date or within the first month or year. It's the absolute worst way to test for compatibility or suitability for marriage. These are what I'd go for when dating; let the sex take care of itself in its time.
Too bad for them; the majority of guys are not Christians; they would put sex before marriage, which a Christian should not do. Also, like I said, having sex isn't the best way to test for compatibility so insisting on sex within the first week or the first month or the first year wouldn't be wise anyway (at least for me).
ROFL. STOP getting involved with losers how's that sound?
Seriously I don't know why men & women bitch like fucking children - are they really that dim - about lousy partners when their in-the-gutter-such-utterly-low-standards are to blame.
@aliali8 - I quite enjoy working thanks. At least I feel like I do something with myself. And if you're inheriting millions why can't you figure out losers from real men & why are you on GAG of all places
I am waiting until marriage for sex. And I only want to date women who are doing the same thing. If you don't want to wait then you're not the one for me. Those guys are all a bunch of shallow cads. I wouldn't worry if they won't stick around without sex; they probably all have a host of STDs.
It's not about whether or not she has sex with him, it's about whether or not she lets him know that she's romantically interested.
Not sure why you're lumping all men into this. Your taste in men is leading you to this issue.
That's a lot of assumptions about people that you don't know. What is obvious to me and probably most people that read the question and your comments is that you are probably the problem. It's unfortunate that you lack self-awareness to really assess the issue of finding a compatible partner. I wish you the best and good luck.
I've done it for six months so three would be a cakewalk.
That’s my rule. 90 days until intercourse if not longer. By 3 weeks you hardly even know someone.
If you are talking about fuckboys then I agree with you. But not every guy is a fuckboy
Going to have to push back on that one. Lots of guys may hint at sex by date #3 but if you were right then that means most girls also have sex by the 3rd date. Nope, many people actually focus on getting into a relationship before having intercourse.
The purpose of dating is to find someone to marry. It’s not to have wild sex and then ghost.
Let’s just agree to disagree.
That’s incredibly judgmental of you, I’m not sure if you are gaslighting or what? But it happens to be Sunday and no church for me today. Actually just watched porn.
Nope and nope
But you sound kinda negative, is there a reason why?
Oh lol, well certainly you don’t know much about me then. But that’s ok, no worries. by the way just because I have a rule doesn’t mean that’s always been the case. Having a body count over 20, I’ll certainly tell you I didn’t have that rule in college. So many parties and fun sexual hookups ;)
Now we agree on something because I certainly am not ‘most guys’. I would like an apology however, I’m not dumb.
Oh well I’m honest and say what’s on my mind. I don’t make shit up just to appease someone else. Seems like lots of people are desperate and want to please others. Naw, I’d rather be real and if it pisses people off oh well
Is that why you said all that, you felt like we were in an argument?
We were having a discussion and I answered your question. I did agree that most guys are not like me. I would say most girls are not like you. We are all individuals
Do you experience lots of people telling you that you are wrong?
I feel disappointed, I asked for an apology but you failed to give it. I was hopeful you would be mature.
The apology was for insulting me and calling me dumb. Whether i agreed with you or not; you had no right to insult my intelligence like you did
Review the discussion. I agreed that most guys are not like me. But never agreed that most guys are fuckboys. It’s not rude to have an intelligent opinion.
You made a specific statement: most guys are not like me.
Of course most guys aren’t like me, because I’m an individual.
But I still had a discussion with you because you seem to think that 99% of guys only want sex and no relationship. Never did I agree with you on that
Would you like to hear my answer?
That’s why I asked. Because I wanted to see if you were open to hearing my opinion. But no worries, peace
by the way in all honesty you sound like a Marxist
I am definitely open to hearing different opinions along with explanations. I'm more than open to having a logical objective discussion. But reality is, you can't have these types of discussions with people who have pride in being prejudiced or biased. I try to discuss things with folks who are objective, untainted , unbrainwashed.
Didn’t you asked a biased question? You live in a large city and your experiences with men are not the macro of the entire country. Pride is a subjective term. As a feminist I’m often frustrated having open discussions with other people who are close minded and seem to be more focused on winning a debate rather than learning something new or hearing diverse opinions.
You insulted me
You believe because I am Christian that I’m in some way brainwashed
And when I asked of you wanted to hear my honest answer you said no
Three strikes and you are out. I haven’t insulted you, never applied a religion to you, and have been willing to read and understand your POV. But when you shut down freedom of speech because you believe a segment of the population is brainwashed and therefore biased what you do is limit the opportunity for future growth and maturity.
Well I felt like I was also disrespected because you tried to act as if I were wrong when you clearly changed your mind and agreed that I was right later on.
Sure certain areas in the US have more hookups than others. But we are talking about most US citifies where overwhelming majority of the population is located at.
I agreed that you were right “Well most guys are not like you”
That’s like me also saying “Well most girls are not like you”
This is because we are all individuals. Not every Christian is like every other Christian. Not every doctorate student is like every other doctorate student.
How does me agreeing to that simple sentence relate to your original question?
Also did I guess correctly, are you a Marxist?
"That’s like me also saying “Well most girls are not like you”"
If most girls are not like me, then who are these guys who can't survive more than 3 weeks dating iwthout sex , going to date?
This is a double standard. If most guys cannot survive 3 weeks without sex, then it means that most girls are giving sex prior to 3 weeks.
A guy who can't survive 3 weeks without sex, will not be dating a girl with a low body count. Girls with low body count do not have sex within 3 weeks of dating or even after 3 months of dating.
There is a difference between what men want vs what men can get.
A guy who can't survive 3 weeks / months iwthout sex, will not be happy dating a girl who wants to save her virginity for at least 2 years into the relationship.
So this is why it doesn't make any sense how you're saying that its common for men to not be able to survive iwthout sex for 3 weeks/ months. Yet for women, its completely different.
Its obvious you are not thinking before you arrive to your conclusions.
You are not understanding me so let me try one more time.
Most girls are not like you. That is because most girls are not called Ali. Most girls were not born on your birthday. Most girls don’t live where you live. Most girls didn’t eat what you ate today.
My point was you are an individual. I’m not trying to say that most girls are unlike you in any relation to the original question you asked. I am making a general statement.
Understand?
I think that casual hookup has already infiltrated our culture , media wayy more than you think. In most places around the US, hookups are fairly common. Tinder is also a very popular famous app for hookups. It is in no way, unpopular or unknown. Its very widely used. So this comes to show how prevalent casual sex is.
I think that some peolpe are just in denail that casual sex happens way moer than athey think.
And you can't be prejudiced to say that most girls aren't like this. Most women never talk about their sex lives. In our patriarchal society, women are shamed or bullied as "sluts" or "whores" for desiring and appreciating sex.
The fact that most guys can't survive without sex past the 3rd week mark, shows that most women are giving sex by the 3 week mark. Otherwise, who are all these masses of sexually desperate men goin to date?
You're just perpeturating a double standard.
For every man who sleeps around, there are women who are willing to sleep with him.
You can't just say that there are promiscuous men but never any promiscuous women. Because for every promiscuous man, there are women willing to have casual sex with him. It just doesn't make sense.
Believe it or not, no woman is ever gonna tell the world that she has casual sex. As a woman who sleeps around is held to knife point and persecuted while it being the complete opposite for men.
No. You didn’t read what I wrote nor did you understand it. I tried many times but sorry, if you can’t understand the last question I asked then we can’t continue.
I’m outta here
I can see you’re only interested in the exceptionally rare
I was talking about the guys who don’t need sex for over three months
No, I agree with you and am saying you’re only interested in those who can. Or were you already saying that? I’m kinda confused
@aliali8 - try not to date whoever buys you a pint of beer at the local bar. Maybe you'll have better success. I've never had this issue of yours but then I've standards.
I like this girl. I would wait 5 years if I know she will marry me. Is that enough? Please tell me
It's not really something I consider. Your only as good as the last person you fucked
because they don't like women who sleep around
They're stupid
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