Most women's advice on how to attract women generally tends to be the total opposite of what actually works in real life. And don't get me wrong; I've listened to BOTH genders about this. But women generally"
1) have no idea what it's like to be a man,
2) have no idea what it's like to be a short and/or unattractive man,
3) generally aren't attracted to women,
4) generally have no experience in knowing what it's like to impress a single woman into giving you her phone number or contact info in 5 minutes or less,
and 5) generally don't make the first move or impress a random strangers (male or female).
At best, women will give advice about what THEY like in a man, but even that tends to be dishonest or bad advice. Generally, women don't even know what they like in a partner or how a man can impress them. And while I've never actually used a Pickup Artist or dating coach or anything, what I've learned is that women only care about three things in men (making a first impression).
1) Ego (confidence)
2) Height/being tall
3) Social skills/importance/wealth.
You need to have at least two out of three to stand a chance. Although ego ("confidence") has the most weight to it. Displaying high-self pride is about 40% importance to a woman. The other two are about 30%. Have all three and most women will be into you.
But the irony is, all THREE of these traits are rare! Only about 1 in 5 men are tall enough for women (six feet and over). Only about 1 in 10 men have high "confidence" in themselves. And only about 1 in 20 men are socially important or wealthy.
And I learned all of this from men.
So yeah, women generally have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to helping men with dating advice. Although a few women, like Marni the Wing Girl and Kezia Noble, are experts at it. The advice they give is generally masculine and what most men would tell you, though. They're no-nonsense and tell you the straight up truth. Most women give sh*t advice, though. The old saying is true.
"You don't ask a fish how to catch more fish. You ask a fisherman."73 Reply- +1 y
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I think women are in the best position to give good advice. However women are brainwashed in many ways, and also women do not understand men and our perspective on life and how we feel about women.
Personally I have gotten good advice from women. But only women who other females on this site would hate.
I have gotten legitimate HONEST advice from girls. But how?
I made those girls feel comfortable with me. The girls knew that for example, I would not slut shame them. Rather the opposite, that I encourage their sexuality.
Now being anti slut shaming for me is not a liberal progressive stance. They do not realy believe what they say. So when I say I convinced my female. friends that I would not slut shame them, it's not because I acted like a progressive liberal, encouraging feminism and such.
Rather the opposite. I let my female friends know, that I understand them and their sexuality. That at their root, they are dogs and animals like men.
That women are wild sexual beasts. And many men fear this fact. Because it means you are not a man if women are not letting you engage in their wild sexual behavior.
And so I got legitimate advice about women, from women.
It's easy. Be bold as fuck. Go up to a girl you want, and tell her you want her. Tell her she's sexy and you want to fuck, if that's what you want.
Chase every girl you want. Have sex with as many girls as you can. Be bold and super confident and act as if you are superman or some shit.
Sorry. I know it works. I know girls will get mad and reply how horrible and awful my female friends are.
Hey, they gave me the same bulletin advice women always give, before I convinced them I was accepting of female nature 100%
After that, everything changed and they told me the truth about everything I ever asked them.11 Reply- +1 y
And to the men out there who think women are "picky" because evolution dictates so. That's bullshit.
Women are whores and want to FUCK. Women are MORE horny than men are.
However, if you are horny, where do you go to get an orgasm?
From a man who is a nice guy? Or from a man who grabs you roughly, tears your clothes off, and has his way with you?
Girls choose that guy every time. He can be a good person through and through. But women can tell when a man is capable of satisfying them in the bedroom.
Once you are capable of that, women will fuck you endlessly. Tell their friends how great you are, and encourage her friends to fuck you as well.
Because women let other women know which men are capable of. giving out orgasms.
And they all know which guys in town can do it. And they all fucked those guys too.
So all you nice guys, you can be good and great men. But if. you're still a nice guy in the bedroom I'm sorry it's curtains for you buddy.
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+1 yI want to say the same sex gives the best advice HOWEVER, the best advice comes from the gender you intend to date. I intend to date a dude, so a dude can tell me about another dude better than a woman can. A woman can only tell me about that dude if she also dated that same exact dude im trying to date
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1.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. A man can better guide based on the male experience, and a woman can do the same with women. Of course, there are exceptions.
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Im not sure women really have much to add in general. Women typically give "you go girl" advice to other women which does not typically work. And they give shit test advice to men which is usually the opposite of what works. For example any woman who won't straight up say a lower body count will give an advantage to a woman is just giving "girl power" advice and had an agenda that differs from getting the girl the best dating experience. Just as any woman who tells a man to be nice and sweet is just shit testing. As much as it might be nice to have a female perspective when you have these ulterior motives to navigate you're better off ignoring advice from women.
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You obviously have a motive other than a girl having access to the most men to date. Thats fine but it proves my point.
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More men means more qualifying. If you disqualify all men who prefer lower body count you disqualify the majority of men. Common sense says thats not helpful. It might not be important to you but most attractive successful men ones most girls want for various reasons would be elliminated by your advice, do you mention that first before you give that advice? Probably not. Do you think most women might find that fact important? Probably. This is why your advice would not actually provide good results to most women.
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I agree. However you clearly have it opposite. If you only date men who have no issues with any number of past lovers you will be looking at the bottom half of datable men ACCORDING TO WOMEN. Thats the part you're missing. This isn't about my opinion its about logic. If women prefer attractive successful socially skilled men... which they as a whole do, they cannot then limit them by something that those men dont have. Men women want generally desire do not think that way. So your advice given to a group of women would leave most single and the ones not single, with men they dont think are that great. So thats why i say its bad advice. If you are giving advice to remain single or have a relationship with someone you are hardly interested in then i think its great advice. My only concern is does the advice lead to the outcome the asker desires?
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This is why the pick up artist thing is a male thing. Men have a desire, the most dialed in efficient step by step process is attempted to be communicated as advice. Whereas a woman cares only about the process with no regards to the result.
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"They often get it wrong..." this is the part most men do not do. If a man wants a fat girl, men might joke at him but other men will try and give him the best how to get a fat girl advice they can. He wants to date a stripper, they will try to help. He wants a virgin or a threesome or a dominatrix or a career woman or a home maker... it doesn't matter, men give advice that will get the man what he wants. When you give advice to a woman you dont care what she wants and give her advice to get what you think she should want. This is very common among women and why womens advice is not useful.
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I help those who want help, for starters. I don’t coach anyone around anything without their consent. I follow an actual code of ethics on this one. Secondly, if I see a woman with a pattern of toxic and abusive relationships and now she wants to know how she can get with fuckboy Frank or criminal Chris to add her her repertoire, I just will refuse to coach her at all.
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Well either way. This is very typical of womens advice in general.
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1.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. I personally have found throughout the years that the best people who've given me dating advice, or any kind of advice about women, have been older men, usually in their 50s and 60s. Guys around my age also tend to give very excellent, critical advice as well. I notice that the guys around my age and older on GaG tend to have a very interesting perspective even if I don't follow or agree with all of it, there's still a lot to gain from it.
Women are fine, some of them give good advice, but I notice they tend to give it based on who or what they don't like/want as a message more about their feelings, than really trying to educate you on everything, the good, the bad, the beautiful, the crazy, etc. If that makes any sense.63 Reply- +1 y
@turntout4klout I feel like although you asked us for our opinion, you were still hoping we would say women. If you believe that women give better advice, than that's what you believe. But enough people answered the opposite- including women- for a reason.
Can a woman give good advice? Sure. But it often comes from a place of her feelings, and usually from a place of what she believes you need to know about women and relationships, leaving out what she doesn't want you to believe.
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@ManOnFire No matter what you say, it will go right over her head. She obviously is incredibly entitled to her opinion to a point that anything that is not the same, she starts to attack other people. You can clearly she she couldn't handle my arguments and immediately resorted to personal attacks. It's users like her that make this website trashier by the day. Asking for other people's perspectives and end up attacking them (despite it was her who asked for it). It's obvious she has nothing else to bring to the table other than her body. And the evidence to that is in her profile
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@TruthBringer Yeah, I looked at it and thought the same thing.
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+1 yA woman. For sure. But that's because guys are trying to date... women. Knowing what THEY want or how THEY see something is important. How some other dude has had success with women FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE is not at all as helpful.
But I think the same holds true the other way around as well. Women will get the best dating advice from guys (not any guy, non-asshats)31 Reply- +1 y
Thaaaaaaaank you
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+1 yNobody can give dating advice to a man who doesn't want it. Period. And most are too egocentric to get help in the first place.
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Ummm...
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Then same goes for women
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@coachTanthony On the contrary. Men are more often curious to know what it takes to appeal to women/want to know how to attract them. Whereas women generally believe they don't really need to know how to appeal to men.
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+1 yThis analogy is all you need to know.
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Generally speaking, a man should ask advise from another man who knows how to attract and keep a woman. It is not that women are bad at giving advice, it is that they often give the politically correct advice. This is funny enough often advice that contradicting to what actually works. For example, they tell a guy being sweet and nice will get a girl, but in reality what works if the guy is stoic and knows how to put them in their place (aka bad boy attitude). And any guy who has been in the dating scene long enough knows this.
Women are unconciously more concerned with how they will look/be perceived when they giving advice rather than giving some cold harsh facts. Men on the other hand tell each other the reality of the matter, no matter how harsh it may be.
My dating success is not thanks to asking women (which I did in the past), it is thanks to men giving solid advice.518 Reply- +1 y
OK i worded the question a specific way for a reason That understandably was missed. Yeah for the most part women are absolutely horrible at giving this advice For some of the reasons you just said... HOWEVER my question was who is "capable" of giving better advice. And from what I've seen that is definitely a female. They offer an insight that a man never will be able to do. At the end of the day it's just because we know better than a man what it's like to be a woman even though most of us have a hard time articulating how we feel. I can cite the examples that I used to come to that conclusion
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@turntout4klout Your insights are useless to the other pperson if you cannot articulate a proper advice. So once again, when it comes to dating, it's MEN who are best to give advice to men on how to attract women. Why? Because MEN have to go through all the steps and entire process in attracting women. It's MEN who have other sights that you will NEVER have, which is the fact that a straight woman does not know what it is like to be a man who tries to date women. So while you say you have other insights, so we do.
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Lol. It must suck being you
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But let me ask you a question. What can women do as good if not better than a man in your opinion?
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Why would it suck being me? Mind explaining that first?
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Because life's got to suck when nobody will fuck you without paying for it.
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@turntout4klout Oh how lovely, shaming tactics. Instead of attacking my point you choose to attack me personally. An obvious battle cry of someone who has lost an argument. And sorry to break it to you sweetie, but I'm in a loving relationship for a few years already. Sucks to be you for not only using low IQ shaming tactics, but also to fail in the process 😂😂
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Oh how lovely you made a prostitute your girlfriend. Good for you. My point is simple you're trying to tell us that you know us much better than we know ourselves. And you dont. Thats actually insulting. Your not a woman even though i see some similarities.
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Maybe it doesn't suck to be you since you're totally unaware of what a fucking idiot u are
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@turntout4klout Oh sweetheart, not everyone is a thot like yourself and not everyone is going to want to make their girlfriend smoeone like you. I know it's hard for you to hear new perspectives which YOU yourself asked for, but that's your own issue. And I know it is hard for you to grasp the concept of love, affection and genuine care for yourself and not be seen as just a warm hole to put dicks in. The fact that you started off throwing personal insults is a testament to the invalidity of your arguments. So I'm an idiot, yet you're incapable to provide valid counter arguments. Makes you truly wonder who the idiot is. Shouldn't you go make content for your OnlyFans now?
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Oh my someones got some mommy issues. I know you think your superior to all woman and want to be accepted by they guys but you just dont fit in anywhere and you probably never will and Im sorry no one wanted you on their team. Anyone who self proclaims his word is absolute truth is just be... fuck it there's no point you'll always be a loser.
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Oh I'm sorry, did you say something? Couldn't hear you over "I am damaged and have nothing else to bring to the table other than my body and sexuality"
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@TruthBringer is absolutely correct. Bravo.
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@Turnout4klout is correct
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Not @Turnout4klout, meant to say CasaNorba 😅 wrong person
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Ill just let you guys blow eachother
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I think we’d rather go get drinks and laugh about this thread, @Turnout4klout 😂
988 opinions shared on Dating topic. Funny you bring up the pick up artist because just today I was curious about all that and went through their history, ever since this guy in the hat made the discovery that men and women can have sex and started a revolution that changed the dating market for good.
See the problem with your question is, traditional pickup is something very bad and toxic, it relies on making a woman feel inferior in order to bring down her social status.
But that over the years has lead to the birth of a new philosophy which is for a guy to boost his own social status to match the girl he's trying to date. And while healthier it's still straining on men.
Today we enter an age where we no longer consider status a factor as opposed to communication skills. This is why we have female coaches.
Teaching pickup is now simply teaching the lesson they never teach you in school. How to talk to people, how to read the room and when to say what in order for the other person to feel good and chose to spend more time with you.
I voted for men because I still think women don't really say what they truly desire yet.
The same woman saying she wants a caring guy will find herself drawn to the emotionally unavailable bad boy. So any advice from her don't even apply to her, how is that credible?10 Reply
+1 yI believe Men are more capable of giving the best advice to other men and to women. I think this because men are the ones who chase after the women in order to find a relationship.
Women do this too but that’s not the majority in society. Women tend to make themselves look pretty or sexualized in a vague attempt to attract a specific guy when it’s attracting more than just one guy. (If that one guy is even interested in the first place.) By exposing cleavage, caking themselves in make-up, dressing for the most part scantily-clad. Or they try to get that guy to hang out with them alone and outside of a group. Which is just setting up the girl for many bad things to occur. Yet they are always blaming the men when this happens. Even if they’re the one who initiated.
If women were the primary chaser, than I’d say that the women would be the ones giving the advice capable of being the best for dating. But they’re not. They should be in my opinion, because then they’d know how shitty it can be.10 Reply
+1 yFor men? Definitely not women, for the most part. I will not make that mistake again. The reason being is that I do not believe most women are able to articulate this advice to a man in an objective way.
What I have tended to see happen is women advise men on how men ought to behave and be, based on a 'man of her dreams' narrative and not the unknown quantity he tends to be. And the way women want to be approached by the men they know they desire vs. the unknown quantity are two different things entirely.
So say the woman who gave you the advice, were to meet her favorite actor, I don't know who's hot right now... Isn't Chris Hemsworth an actor a lot of chicks dig? For the sake of argument say she's likes him and she were to meet him how would she prefer he behave? Of course, she wants him to be welcoming, open and nice, polite, open about his feelings, assuring her that she could get close to him, all the typical stuff women say they want in a man...
Now enter, Mr. Unknown quantity. Does she want Mr. Unknown to approach her and be open and welcoming? I have a feeling 'open and 'welcoming' would be interpreted as weird and creepy. She'd likely just prefer he go fuck-off and leave her alone.
My hypothesis, women tend to give advice based on what they fantasize about regarding the men they truly value, not the reality on the cold, cold ground most men find themselves on. And that's why I think women giving men advice on dating typically does not work.31 Reply- +1 y
Woman talk backwards they always say the opposite what do you mean you talk in riddles and if you listen to the advice might as well just turn gay
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+1 yIts a matter of the negotiation of resources...
the PROBLEM lies with Society's reticence
to acknowledge that the FEMALE controls eventual access to her EGGS.
The 'root' cause underlying the cultural 'audition' of 'dating'.
Our culture irresponsibly short-sightedly tries to de-couple the immediate physical pleasure
of competent copulation from its 'default' natural purpose of 'conception'.
(You CAN do the FIRST, PROVIDING you're long-term mindful to circumvent the second.)
Hypocritically, moralistic Prudes espouse this is AGAINST their Creator's intent
and therefore 'sinful', yet have NO ethical problem with encouraging...
and harvesting the lactations of
herd animals and the ovulation of many fowl.
Is the relationship 'symbiotic'? Does EACH obtain 'advantage'?
Be they resources, shelter, protection from predation?
SELECTIVE 'conscience' perhaps?00 Reply - 390 opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yWomen give dating advice to how they wish their hottest dream lovers Chad and Tyrone should be. The ones who treat them like second class citizens "Oh, he should be more kind, and caring, and emotional, and open, and share his feelings." Blah Blah Blah. All that info is for the top 5% of dudes exclusively. If you are not in that group, as soon as you start acting like that, your woman will dump you on your ass. I don't even think women are conscious of what they are saying half the time regarding this. Guys should only take dating advice from other guys. And not from those creepy desperate so called "friends" that would sell you out in a blue second to get a shot at your girlfriend. It's a war zone. Be careful out there.
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+1 yIn my experience both give shit advice.
Guys hype you up, give false hope and fucking tell you to just go do it, which is not how you go about it because there are clear indications wether you should approach a female or not.
Girls advice is for guys who are a 4 or better. Females say dumb shit like "looks don't matter you just need confidence" or "I've dated ugly guys" bullshit, an ugly guy to a female is a 4 any less is not dateable no matter the confidence but money will help for a while. I used to be confident but it never worked for me in fact I've been told plenty of times I was rejected because I was too ugly. When females tell me they've dated ugly guys I've asked plenty of them to show me a picture of the ugliest guy they've dated and the guy is always a 4 or better.
If you're truly an ugly guy just stay single.22 Reply- +1 y
That's why its better to not label a dude or have him in a category. He's just a guy and either he is awesome but your feelings aren't there and you realize that and let them go or they suck and you just walk away before it gets more toxic. Love can make that last one hard.
Girls who say confidence is all you need are not wrong you just might be going after girls that chose to categorize men the way you are doing it now. I wouldn't want to be with that girl, everyone is different honestly. 🤷 - +1 y
@JustAnj some of us guys are destined to be alone no matter how hard we try, so giving up is the best choice. Also it's easier for me to describe people by numbers when talking about attractiveness. I've had a female friends tell me I am exactly the type of guy they want to end up with but I don't have an attractive enough face for them. I've heard girls tell unattractive guys they only date guys who are muscular and then tell guys who are muscular but not that attractive that they prefer dad bods, in fact I've been one of those guys whose ugly but fit.
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+1 yA fisherman should never take the advice on how to fish from the fish.
Women have zero idea how to give men advice.
They tell men what they think they (women) want and what sounds good, but not what they actually want.
For example: Women will say they want a nice guy, but will lose interest in a guy who is nice.
Women say “just be yourself” but will think a guys weird or creepy if he is awkward.
Women say looks don’t matter but openly shut down and shame men who are under 6’, are not fit, etc.
Women say “no means no” but then also claim they say no to see if we will try harder.
NEVER EVER TAKE Advice from women about women.10 Reply
+1 yWomen give better advice for finding someone to date, men give better advice for getting laid quick. Women will help a man or woman establish a connection with someone based on things that will matter in a relationship: clarity, confidence, empathy, adaptability, solid value system, responsibility, etc; but men will help you make a good first impression, even if it's something you can't sustain, just to have sex with someone. You need both, sometimes you want a relationship, sometimes you want to fuck someone's brains out at an afterparty.
00 Reply475 opinions shared on Dating topic. This is like asking who are better colored parents.
My answer is equally neither or both. All depends on the indevidual.
As far as dating tips go, the ones that have rejected me are the worse, not because they are pretty white women but because the truthful answer to the advice would be like selling a product they wouldn't buy or want to own just to fix. Same thing applyes if the genders were reversed.
If by some miracle the advisor would be the one who has turned down a date request from a friend, ends up falling in love, that change of heart story belongs to Hollywood fiction.00 ReplyGuys give plenty of both good and bad dating advice, but women never give good male dating advice, ever. That's just my experience. Every once in a while, a post-menopausal woman who has already raised a family will speak honestly about what women feel. But in all other cases, women will only say what they think they want to be true, not what is true.
As Patrice O'Neal said, "If you want to know how to catch fish, ask a fisherman, not a fish."03 Reply- +1 y
Wait what? Dont ask the fish? I wish there was an award for most douchey opinion.
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@turntout4klout Is that what you call an intellectual comeback. Quite the irony when you speak of douchey opinions when you've literally made one yourself. Your lack of valid arguments made sure that your useless comment is hereby dismissed.
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+1 yGuys can give advice on understanding women from a man's perspective which helps in various aspects of life with women.
Women give better advice in terms of dating because they understand their needs and that's what matters.
But men are helpful because they understand their viewpoint and can provide support to one another.10 Reply - 3.5K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yExcellent question. As a guy, I guess it depends on what I'm trying to get out of dating.
If I'm looking for a relationship, a woman can probably give better advice.
If I'm looking for sex, maybe a one night stand or friends with benefits, a guy can probably give me better pointers.10 Reply - 1K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yI would say men should listen to men who have had successful relationships when dating and for long term.
While women can give good suggestions and advice, I feel a lot of it stems more from personal feelings and the men they desire as individuals deep down because of how the behavior the man they like makes them feel, not from the perspective of a generalized approach.00 Reply 1.5K opinions shared on Dating topic. None of examples shown , they are just out to make money , and trying to be super cool , and man who can explain to the individual involved , what to do , how to create opportunities , and just as its important to know Why you fail? Its also as Important to know why you succeed?
The vast majority of the stuff that ( most ) of those presenters say is BS -- not all however , some give some very good functional advice.00 Reply2.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. None really. You could talk to a woman about advice on it, she may give you her bias answer of what she specifically wants. Then a guy could say specifically what women want in his opinion.
Then who's to judge there opinion is bias or not. Seem like a daft thing.
The way to actually get proper advice is experience it yourself.00 Reply6K opinions shared on Dating topic. Neither.
I think that's more down to individuals rather then men or women. Some people are more willing to listen then others or they may like this guys advice better then that gals and so on and so on.
And they have to be willing to listen in the first place.10 Reply- 339 opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yGuy with sisters here.
Never in my life did I got a better response from girls than when my sister's told me how to conduct the conversation.
Girls hands down!21 Reply- +1 y
I concur
+1 yOnly an experienced guy can give you great advice on how to bring a woman to bed. On the contrary, every woman, no matter her experience, can give you great advice on how you can make another woman crazy about you
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+1 yI think nobody but themselves , you know yourself your strong points your weak points if you act on others advice and do things which you never did or don't feel like yourself then it's just faking it.
You are showing something that you aren't and then becomes an expectation and in future it will come and bite your ass nothing else10 Reply A guy
Only a guy 'knows' the struggles and many obstacles facing 'guys' in the dating arena.
A woman making suggestions should also be listened to as they mean well, but their struggles are inherently different.30 ReplyThe only one who has given me correct advice thinks that the American pua are idiots. If you notice 90% of the world of pua it can be summarized in a marketing manual that you find in a gas station.
However, from my point of view, women rarely give the right advice to men. This happens because they cannot identify with men. Therefore they advise those who wish they had had them. The only good advice women get are related to what not to say to a woman.00 Reply2.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. Line up 20 men. line up 20 women they will all have a different take on it.. they only know what they've have experienced. Even though I would a curious of the other answers the final outcome would be whatever it is I believe in
10 ReplyWomen are incapable of being honest about how they are, Men who have success with Women are the best advice givers in that regard.
Women for example, on average, have never felt the fear of rejection.21 Reply- +1 y
Lol. That's men.
+1 yI ask different individuals for dating advice, some are men, some are women. Since you use the word slightly, I'll say men are slightly better at giving dating to women. And women are slightly better at giving advice to men. That is all generally though.
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+1 yNot to say many men aren't freaking clueless but there are essentially no women offering women good dating advice. Maybe like 1%. They mostly offer each other shittier and shittier advice around in a circle.
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Us GOOD women will literally tell EVERY man on how to attract a good woman, but y'all would rather listen to the bad girls that LIE to you, then a good woman that tells you the TRUTH.
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@dwiller943 since most women lie about this then its hard to figure what girl tells the truth. So a man realistically should only accept advice from a man who has already accomplished what he is trying to accomplish.
2.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Definitely not women because a fish won't tell you how to catch them, but men isn't good either because your competitors probably won't give you good advice on how to beat them. So you're all on your own
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We LITERALLY tell men EXACTLY how to treat us and how to impress us.
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@dwiller943 you mean like how on all the Tik tok's I've seen girls will say once he starts asking me about my day I start losing feelings women say one thing but do another break up with a guy who beat them but yet go back to him
896 opinions shared on Dating topic. Most people would benefit a lot more (in dating and in general) from personal development advice than dating advice. Dating advice tends to lean more toward faking your personality, where personal development will actually improve it.
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+1 yNeither. You wanna fuck pay. Women ain’t with sex anymore. You want a family their the only choice so a necessary evil. So what you want and see who responds.
00 Reply Men with a lot of experience give the best advice possible. Any guy that listens to the advice of a woman about how to attract/turn on other women will get u friend-zoned.
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THIS. Most women do *mean* well, but they all too often are giving men advice on how to be a good gal pal, not how to be a lover.
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@Curmudgeon Indeed.
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Y'all are getting advice from the WRONG women.
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@dwiller943 Majority of women give bad advice to men in general.
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@dwiller943 Now, of course there might me some female dating coaches that might have some solid and unbiased advice. Coaches that tell men how it is and what to do, but for the average woman that's not the case. It will only get him into the friend-zone.
when you want to know how to fish you ask real fishermen for advice. you never jump into the water and asked the fishes themselves cause you're obviously never gonna get a good answer this way
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Like tyical fish or a fish that isn't like most fish? Because what methods worked on those "other fishes" definitely NEVER work on me. So please try again. Not all of us are the same.
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@dwiller943 its simple, all you have to do is switch your hook or upgrade your fishing rod
+1 yEvery guy in the world who has ever been friends zoned has a listen to some woman’s horseshit advice.
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Where did the whole friend zone come from with you guys? Is this taught through media, movies, or just people making the bad choice to stay friends in order to convince a girl to give them a chance or that they are better than most guys?
I'm actually pretty curious because from what I know girls don't ever change thier mind unless they kinda already liked you just didn't want to jeopardize losing a good friend but that scenario is quite small. - +1 y
@JustAnj I think its the opposite of your question... or something? Lol...
Ok so I see it like this. Girls grow up in a society that teaches girls how to be attractive to men their whole lives.
I think boys grow up completely in the dark.
That's why guys get friend zoned so easily.
Also, girls develop standards very quickly, as they have many many boys to choose from. Girls learn quickly what matters and what does not.
Boys do not learn what matters because for boys, dating is like waiting at a table for scraps.
Girls and women will always be more mature in the realm of relationships. Because girls have guys begging them for love their whole lives, they learn who is good who is bad who is right who is wrong.
Guys beg for scraps our whole lives and we are denied the ability to learn like women do.
Of course girls get friend zoned too. But in my opinion it's a guy thing to be friend zoned, as we are never equipped in our lives with the life experience and knowledge we need to be on the same level women are.
And we never will be on that level. There will always be a massive disparity.
Why though? I suppose it's just. biology at its root. The males compete. Few males reap the rewards and many males are left completely alone.
So it's always imbalanced in that sense. Though I imagine the bell curves are overlapping of course. - +1 y
Did you get a good support system growing up? I know a lot of guys tend to have to work things out alone and having a clueless support system of growing people can contradict learning how to be able to be helpful in yourself as well as in a team. This is probably why guys relate so much since you are right are behind in knowing how to understand the future partners.
Being a good team means you have to push each other up or pick up your failing partner vice versa but its not easy to find a good partner if you are not at a similar level of understanding. Guys don't know what to do so guys try to do thier own thing, I think this why a respectful loving and communicative mother and son relationship is very important too.
Guys who already do have things figured it with relationships more then likely had a good support system and example of a good relationship growing up. Communication is a key factor to growth and learning. - +1 y
Overall I understand what your talking about, you guys are worth the time to progress, never think you disabled from reaching a better skill like understanding your needs and wants and how they involve who you choose. The fact that already know so much about how us girls do trivia in the dating life tells you you are capable of learning to apply to yourself. ❤️ I'm having a boy and really hope I can teach him how to love himself and to find someone who he feels he can share his truths with and be able to grow with that person not simply remain complacent. Life is all about growing after all.
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@justanj sounds like you want to be a victim really badly! Yeah men have everything figured out because woman is so simple right? That’s why women aren’t funny that’s why they suck at being a DJ they can’t do nothing because their advice is a shit what they do is they try to be like men but they don’t have their own shit so they make a copy of what men do but in a horrible way and when women talk they talk backwards and riddles they never mean what they say so we think they think like us which they don’t we listen to the bullshit advice and we end up getting burned in life and success and girls and everything else. You’re not a guy so you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
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@JustAnj personally my mother beat the shit out of me and my siblings for no reason and we starved and suffered our whole lives lol. That's just me. It's all good. Don't feel bad for me.
I think you're right. And guys problems are two fold.
First is how to be attractive, such that you can get a date. That is all men are worried about, until they have had enough relationships, that they learn that they themselves fucked up the relationship and how to be better next time.
But without the ability to date, comes the inability to learn about life from relationships.
And more and more men are incels. More and more men are not dating at all. It's not a good thing, bad things are going to happen.
But learning to be in a relationship and being in a team seems to me to be the easy part. The hard part is for many guys to even date at all. Or date enough. Many guys try to marry the first girl who will have him. Zero thought about his own values and needs.
His only value and only need is "any woman." - +1 y
You guys really do project a lot when something upsets you or you feel does not apply to you. I'm not being unkind or trying to say you weren't brought up well, its not easy being a parent I know cause I am one and my parents had thier ups and downs. I'm sorry if I upset you but the truth is that we can become what surrounds us or choose to improve ourselves away from how others think or what we grew to learn.
I was raised by boys and I don't need to be a boy to understand humans. What I do need is more close environment to how others feel to understand the differences that create the mindset we carry and why they are somewhat a like to each other may you be a man or a woman. Thier is a lot of men who relate more with women thier is a lot of women who relate more to men. Its not just one way goes. If that's how you feel then all I can do is agree to disagree with you.
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Lots of dudes are very angry because they can't attract a woman at all.
Society told us to be "good people" But in reality, being a good person means "reject masculinity."
And so many men reject masculinity. This makes them unattractive to women. They know on some level, that the fault is society's or women's, for teaching them to hate themselves.
But they don't know of a way out. We can't define masculinity. It's impossible. If you dig deep enough, either it's not real and doesn't exist, or it's a toxic patriarchal concept that needs to be rejected. Either way, men are left without the ability to be attractive to women. - +1 y
But I see two sides to masculinity.
I think many men are simply broken down and weak, BECAUSE of the concept of masculinity.
The idea that a man must be special, lest no woman ever love him, makes men hate themselves for not being good enough. It makes men hate women, for not loving us for who we are, rather than how closely we resemble some masculine ideal.
But again if you try to define masculinity, it becomes impossible.
I think many women merely seek a man who has NOT been broken down by masculinity.
That what is seen as masculine, is defined in my head, as exactly this:
A lack of being broken by society.
And most men have been broken by society. Most men believe masculinity is everything and so thus believe they are nothing.
Well I don't know if that makes sense.
Also I'd say, don't hate on the other guy who is mad. He's just nuts. That's what being a man can do to you. It fucks us all up lol. - +1 y
@HiveBee I will world has became so feminized that any man that showing any signs of masculinity is counted as anger! Without masculinity we’re fked! As masculinity is a threat to tyranny!
Is not a man that impacts women. is not by accident the Russian girls in Russia are so attractive yet they’re so approachable yet the same Russian girls in Canada or Australia or New Zealand becomes an absolute complete miserable bit#ch!! - +1 y
@HiveBee
It breaks my heart hearing the "any woman part" specifically because I know thier is some poor Smuck of a girl who is in limbo too with the wrong guy or alone wondering where he is, the one who fits.
I know what you mean about experience in dating, I love relationships and seeing people work or simply learn. Sometimes your just not right for each other and that's okay. A lot of guys take that to heart and it kills me. I have been with guys like this and if for any reason I feel, not because of them, that I can not give them my full heart I walked away. These guys were awesome but when I made the choice to set them free they turned bitter, I wish they understood that the right girl will be able to put there full heart in.
I know guys have this issue more but women do too. It's very hard to help a friend understand that someone letting you go wants you to be happy with someone you deserve. Which is someone who can love you with full potential.
This is why it's so important to work on ourselves and the things we are missing to understand about how to approach others who we honestly don't know and how to learn to move past being with someone who is not for us. I hope more guys and girls wake up to this and find a way to move slower and learn about relationships and themselves. Some people honestly just stick to physical when looking to date that's honestly the worst way to go about it. You don't have to choose someone you feel wouldn't attract you but you shouldn't also choose the one who is visually the most attractive either if anything we should always try dating with any person we can say we would not mind being involved with on a intimate level because even that can be different once in bed. Just cause she ain't your type don't mean you don't find her attractive. Life is a mystery. 🥴 - +1 y
@MJthecoach but let's say a guy is balding. What if a girl calls him bald?
Will he be a man and laugh because it doesn't hurt him?
Or will he be a man because he becomes enraged and angry at this attack on his "masculinity."
So many men are so obsessed with masculinity that they have become weak.
And women don't want a man who is broken down and crushed beneath a belief that turns a guy into a raging monster if you test his masculinity. - +1 y
@HiveBee
No worries either, I don't pity I am super empathetic and honestly stuff like this just sucks. I honestly wish girls and guys would go into this room that some how is a room of truths where there is no way to lie or keep things to one self. This way we both get honest opinions about how we all truly feel and what we all feel we need to work on to build better relationships not just for us but for our future kids who will be us in the future.
I don't see the point to lying so you can ask me a question but sadly my opinion as a woman means nothing because we are all different and how we feel and are brought up. No one person is the same so the best I can do is give others advice regarding themselves and there feelings to break down how to better understand what they can do to help thier relationships. I can't simply tell them that the person I don't know or who they are involved with feels and how to get them to open up or know what they feel.
In regards to masculinity, Is this why a lot of guys who project masculinity in a physical form seem to have a hard time with expressing and being open or nice? (I know this isn't all guys)
Women don't have a fault in this we all do for allowing it to be apart of our beliefs and those before us do for not trying to change and fight for healthier media, I don't mean sheltering either, just better representation in our surroundings. We can not expect the uneducated to understand the difference between reality and fiction at such an early age. That says a lot about all of us honestly, eek.
I hope girls can tune into guys lives and tell them they can just be themselves and don't have to be "masculine" and maybe even hook them up with a date that is nice and not full of shit hahaha - +1 y
@HiveBee I think you have no idea what masculinity is a lot of guys are obsessed with masculinity because they have none actually masculinity does the exact opposite if you make fun of a guy being bald? He’ll say “yah that’s true” what you described is the exact opposite of masculinity.
Lack of confidence is when the guy is made fun of he’ll attack back.
that’s non-masculinity that’s insecurity and that’s the feminine side of a man that does that.
Maybe you should actually spend time understanding what masculinity is and what is responsible for because it sounds like you’re absolutely totally clueless. - +1 y
@MJtheCoach that is not masculinity. That is being a mentally healthy person.
Just look at your reply. Look how you proclaim yourself master of masculine knowledge and denounce me as "clearly ignorant of masculinity, as is obvious through my superior understanding of truth."
You're so desperate to defend your belief that you construct an argument which claims that you are the master and I am merely an ignorant padawan learner.
Rather than trying to have any kind of legitimate discussion. You avoid everything I say in favor of "nuh uh! You're wrong! My daddy says so and he owns a car dealership!" - +1 y
If I listen to people like you I’ll be broke fat loser and no girls would like me and I promise you you’re 95% I’m assuming you’re a fat ass out of shape you eat everything in sight and you have a very small tiny dick.
Yeah I’m gonna listen to someone’s advice that looks like shit talks like shit and eats like shit. - +1 y
I think what you are mad about is something that is very real right now.
A man has to be a complete person in order to get a decent woman.
Whereas a woman can be the most worthless sack of human garbage. Some man would love her.
And I feel like that's at the root for so many men. We are angry that we have to try.
It's not that men need to "reclaim their masculinity."
You are masculine by nature. What men need to do is free themselves of this false ideology of what a man should be.
Just because promiscuous women have a lot of sex with "masculine men" doesn't mean other men can't also have a lot of sex with women.
What makes a woman want to fuck you is if she perceives in you the ability to give her what she wants in the bedroom.
Which for women is not about vaginal orgasms. It's about mental headspace for women.
It's a trip in their mind. And a woman knows, just looking at you, whether you're capable of giving her that experience. - +1 y
The problem is, men are so weighed down by toxic masculinity, that they feel worthless.
These men know, implicitly (without consciously knowing) that they are incapable of stirring a woman's pussy into a frothing slipper wet frenzy.
They feel they lack masculinity, and that is the cause. They become hateful and resentful of women, because they feel there is this magical mystical masculinity they must develop to become attractive to women.
The reality in my opinion is the opposite. Men need to stop caring so fucking much about masculinity and to be themselves.
Men are riddled with insecurity and fear around women. Why? Because they lack understanding of the proper masculinity?
No, men are riddled with fear and insecurity because people keep telling us, that women don't want us unless we embody this masculine ideal. Which was inherited by our biology and put upon us by God.
It's bullshit. You don't need to "play" a man. You just need to be yourself.
Men who are "playing" man are acting. They are acting in whatever way they believe they must, so as to maintain their status as "man."
It's absurd. Women see right through it. They see you like a little boy playing grown up man. They see you have yet to grow up. - +1 y
Men today FEAR to learn about a woman's sexuality. They hate and resent women, because they know implicitly again, that women are equally if not more sexual than men.
But these men are cut off sexually from women. The reason is rooted in this toxic masculinity. This idea that a woman needs a man to be a hulking caveman who basically rapes her every night. It's consensual but she acts like it's not. It's part of her fantasy.
And so these men hate and resent women because they feel they must become the cave man that gets to play the role of "rapist" in this consensual non consensual dance.
The only way to unlock a woman's vagina is by becoming this masculine beast.
That's bullshit. I know so many girls, they date masculine men. Masculine as fuck. But if the girl tries to suggest something to her boyfriend, BOOM, he freaks out! He gets mad. He becomes avoidant.
He believes he must be a sex God, and if he's not, there goes his masculinity. Now his girl is going to cheat on him because he's less masculine than other men. He's not equipped in the bedroom.
And so the girls lament to eachother how their very masculine men in the traditional sense, in the sense that you expect these girls to date these guys, how these guys can't perform well in the bedroom because they fear exploration. - +1 y
But it's not true. You don't have to be superman levels of masculine power to sexually fulfill your woman.
It's something that people talk about explicitly (consciously addressing feelings and ideas) and find out what they are into.
A woman can tell if you're sexually open and available. Rather than trapped under the weight of masculinity.
A lot of the pickup artist shit is exactly that. It is displaying to women that you are open and free and sexually developed.
Sexuallu developed is an important concept. Men who are not, struggle with women. It's not about his lack of masculinity. It's his lack of ability to face and confront real female sexuality and to engage with a woman's mind and to be able to take her where she wants to go.
That's what EVERY MAN wants! We all want to be sexual God's making our women cum and cum and cum. Making her addicted to us right?
Well how do you do it? First off you forget about all the masculinity bullshit that says the only way to make women cum is by raping them.
And even if that is your woman's kink, to be consensually nonconsenting, you're capable of giving her that experience. Because the idea of sex is for fun and exploration, not concretes of who has what traits receives the most amount of pussy.
The guy who gets the pussy is the guy who understands female sexuality. They want orgasms too!
All these guys trapped under this masculinity burden can't be free of it enough to really let go of their fears of inadequacy, and open up sexually.
And that's where it all starts for men. Many men can't grow up because they can't become consciously sexual beings.
Women are. Just listen to them when there's no men around. Women are fully integrated sexually. It's part of their reality.
For men sexuality is only busting nuts inside a vagina.
Women don't want that. They want to cum too you know.
You can't be good in bed when you're all fucked up in the head and feeling inferior and inadequate. - +1 y
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And what type of females are you getting "friend zoned" by?
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I said I did.. not I am!
Oh god. Guys, don't ask for dating advice to other guys. They tend to be so fucking clueless.
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+1 yWomen, because; generally, men are chasing US.
So if they wanna impress us, they need to LISTEN TO US.00 Reply - 5.2K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yIn general the best dating advice I have gotten was from men. Women tend to give advice that is more idealistic than realistic.
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+1 yThe pictures you chose for this poll are the most amateur attempt at social engineering I have ever seen.
00 ReplyI accidentally voted but I think listening to both is probably better than just one
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Ok... cool. but that's not the question
Women know women - women feel they know men - men think they know women
20 Reply1.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. I use to think it would be a Girl, But over the years they have made me more confused and a lot of Girls don't seem to know what they want in a Guy so I'm still not sure.
02 ReplyI don't think it's a matter of gender, I give great dating advises for both men and women but I don't think my perspective is the same as most male perspectives
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+1 yladies do and i say that since a woman knows a woman better than a man does, she knows what a lady wants and what she looks for and they can give you ideas and insight more into them than men can.
10 Reply Without question a guy who's successful with women.
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+1 yA woman can other women advice and a guy can give other guys advice.
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+1 yI think it's good to get insight from both perspectives, but most importantly from people who are experienced and not bitter misgogynists/misandrists.
00 Reply5.9K opinions shared on Dating topic. Men. Women will give you advice on how to please them. Men will give you advice on how to not get killed or bankrupted or ruined by women.
10 ReplyMen, unless you find that one stable. minded women who has tooken time to understand how the dating scene is currently and how to fix our silly dating concerns
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+1 yA woman, I think. As long as she's honest. That's the key. Because most aren't.
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You are starting to understand women 👍
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@midnightmoon05 Thank you. Lol.
Men. Women often tell you something completely different than what a woman wants.
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Men always lie about what they wanted with me. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I NEVER lied about what I wanted. So please try again.
1.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. Guys are better at giving advise to guys, as least professionally.
Sensible dating advises aren't usually heard by women, so neither matter.00 Reply
+1 yI would say a girl, but really it's the person who can be logical, dispassionate, clearheaded and non-judgmental.
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+1 yI would say a woman and probably an older man. a guy who has dated a bit and had a few relationships.
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No one is capable of giving advice
But, i trust the Bible it has some good advice00 ReplyI would say the person who is honest bout themself look in mirror never lie to your self women for sure
10 ReplyA woman of course who better to learn about women, than from a woman!
00 ReplyThey been on many an know the right places to take girl on a date
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+1 yNeither tbh, experience are a better way of learning to date
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+1 yWomen can do very many things better than men. Including spreading their legs.
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