Who do you think is capable of giving the best dating advice for men: a man or a woman?

[Turntout4klout]

Don't get me wrong both of their perspectives offer great insight on what it takes for a man start dating the woman that he wants. But I can't help but feel that one is just slightly more insightful than the other.

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I don't know what a bi'bot is but its an idea of a superb opion is twisted. Anyways it seems that most people didn't read the question thoroughly Even though I think this detail won't matter. In my question I asked which is capable of giving better advice. Watch these two ladies show u what u dont know. youtu.be/xyeduH3Xghchttps://youtu.be/gbbqlv33vsc

[MCheetah]

Most women's advice on how to attract women generally tends to be the total opposite of what actually works in real life. And don't get me wrong; I've listened to BOTH genders about this. But women generally"

1) have no idea what it's like to be a man,
2) have no idea what it's like to be a short and/or unattractive man,
3) generally aren't attracted to women,
4) generally have no experience in knowing what it's like to impress a single woman into giving you her phone number or contact info in 5 minutes or less,
and 5) generally don't make the first move or impress a random strangers (male or female).

At best, women will give advice about what THEY like in a man, but even that tends to be dishonest or bad advice. Generally, women don't even know what they like in a partner or how a man can impress them. And while I've never actually used a Pickup Artist or dating coach or anything, what I've learned is that women only care about three things in men (making a first impression).

1) Ego (confidence)

2) Height/being tall

3) Social skills/importance/wealth.

You need to have at least two out of three to stand a chance. Although ego ("confidence") has the most weight to it. Displaying high-self pride is about 40% importance to a woman. The other two are about 30%. Have all three and most women will be into you.

But the irony is, all THREE of these traits are rare! Only about 1 in 5 men are tall enough for women (six feet and over). Only about 1 in 10 men have high "confidence" in themselves. And only about 1 in 20 men are socially important or wealthy.

And I learned all of this from men.

So yeah, women generally have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to helping men with dating advice. Although a few women, like Marni the Wing Girl and Kezia Noble, are experts at it. The advice they give is generally masculine and what most men would tell you, though. They're no-nonsense and tell you the straight up truth. Most women give sh*t advice, though. The old saying is true.

"You don't ask a fish how to catch more fish. You ask a fisherman."

[ElizaPam]

I'm a fish

[Turntout4klout]

Seriously

[Sam2021]

im glad i found this site it is really helpful and I agree.

[HiveBee]

I think women are in the best position to give good advice. However women are brainwashed in many ways, and also women do not understand men and our perspective on life and how we feel about women.

Personally I have gotten good advice from women. But only women who other females on this site would hate.

I have gotten legitimate HONEST advice from girls. But how?

I made those girls feel comfortable with me. The girls knew that for example, I would not slut shame them. Rather the opposite, that I encourage their sexuality.

Now being anti slut shaming for me is not a liberal progressive stance. They do not realy believe what they say. So when I say I convinced my female. friends that I would not slut shame them, it's not because I acted like a progressive liberal, encouraging feminism and such.

Rather the opposite. I let my female friends know, that I understand them and their sexuality. That at their root, they are dogs and animals like men.

That women are wild sexual beasts. And many men fear this fact. Because it means you are not a man if women are not letting you engage in their wild sexual behavior.

And so I got legitimate advice about women, from women.

It's easy. Be bold as fuck. Go up to a girl you want, and tell her you want her. Tell her she's sexy and you want to fuck, if that's what you want.

Chase every girl you want. Have sex with as many girls as you can. Be bold and super confident and act as if you are superman or some shit.

Sorry. I know it works. I know girls will get mad and reply how horrible and awful my female friends are.

Hey, they gave me the same bulletin advice women always give, before I convinced them I was accepting of female nature 100%

After that, everything changed and they told me the truth about everything I ever asked them.

[HiveBee]

And to the men out there who think women are "picky" because evolution dictates so. That's bullshit.

Women are whores and want to FUCK. Women are MORE horny than men are.

However, if you are horny, where do you go to get an orgasm?

From a man who is a nice guy? Or from a man who grabs you roughly, tears your clothes off, and has his way with you?

Girls choose that guy every time. He can be a good person through and through. But women can tell when a man is capable of satisfying them in the bedroom.

Once you are capable of that, women will fuck you endlessly. Tell their friends how great you are, and encourage her friends to fuck you as well.

Because women let other women know which men are capable of. giving out orgasms.

And they all know which guys in town can do it. And they all fucked those guys too.

So all you nice guys, you can be good and great men. But if. you're still a nice guy in the bedroom I'm sorry it's curtains for you buddy.

[DizzyDesii]

I want to say the same sex gives the best advice HOWEVER, the best advice comes from the gender you intend to date. I intend to date a dude, so a dude can tell me about another dude better than a woman can. A woman can only tell me about that dude if she also dated that same exact dude im trying to date

[MzAsh]

A man can better guide based on the male experience, and a woman can do the same with women. Of course, there are exceptions.

[bamesjond0069]

Im not sure women really have much to add in general. Women typically give "you go girl" advice to other women which does not typically work. And they give shit test advice to men which is usually the opposite of what works. For example any woman who won't straight up say a lower body count will give an advantage to a woman is just giving "girl power" advice and had an agenda that differs from getting the girl the best dating experience. Just as any woman who tells a man to be nice and sweet is just shit testing. As much as it might be nice to have a female perspective when you have these ulterior motives to navigate you're better off ignoring advice from women.

[MzAsh]

Slut shaming won’t work, regardless if it’s from a man or woman.

[bamesjond0069]

You obviously have a motive other than a girl having access to the most men to date. Thats fine but it proves my point.

[MzAsh]

Women don’t need more men to date. They need better men to date. My advice focuses on the choices women make to qualify and disqualify.

[bamesjond0069]

More men means more qualifying. If you disqualify all men who prefer lower body count you disqualify the majority of men. Common sense says thats not helpful. It might not be important to you but most attractive successful men ones most girls want for various reasons would be elliminated by your advice, do you mention that first before you give that advice? Probably not. Do you think most women might find that fact important? Probably. This is why your advice would not actually provide good results to most women.

[MzAsh]

The majority of men aren’t qualified for relationships. Quality over quantity.

[bamesjond0069]

I agree. However you clearly have it opposite. If you only date men who have no issues with any number of past lovers you will be looking at the bottom half of datable men ACCORDING TO WOMEN. Thats the part you're missing. This isn't about my opinion its about logic. If women prefer attractive successful socially skilled men... which they as a whole do, they cannot then limit them by something that those men dont have. Men women want generally desire do not think that way. So your advice given to a group of women would leave most single and the ones not single, with men they dont think are that great. So thats why i say its bad advice. If you are giving advice to remain single or have a relationship with someone you are hardly interested in then i think its great advice. My only concern is does the advice lead to the outcome the asker desires?

[bamesjond0069]

This is why the pick up artist thing is a male thing. Men have a desire, the most dialed in efficient step by step process is attempted to be communicated as advice. Whereas a woman cares only about the process with no regards to the result.

[MzAsh]

Most women need a lot of help in learning what criteria to qualify and disqualify. They often get it wrong and eventually wind up on here asking how they can save what’s left of their rocky relationship with a guy who they can’t bring themselves to admit is just a pos.

[bamesjond0069]

"They often get it wrong..." this is the part most men do not do. If a man wants a fat girl, men might joke at him but other men will try and give him the best how to get a fat girl advice they can. He wants to date a stripper, they will try to help. He wants a virgin or a threesome or a dominatrix or a career woman or a home maker... it doesn't matter, men give advice that will get the man what he wants. When you give advice to a woman you dont care what she wants and give her advice to get what you think she should want. This is very common among women and why womens advice is not useful.

[MzAsh]

I help those who want help, for starters. I don’t coach anyone around anything without their consent. I follow an actual code of ethics on this one. Secondly, if I see a woman with a pattern of toxic and abusive relationships and now she wants to know how she can get with fuckboy Frank or criminal Chris to add her her repertoire, I just will refuse to coach her at all.

[bamesjond0069]

Well either way. This is very typical of womens advice in general.

[MzAsh]

It has been very effective so far.

[ManOnFire]

I personally have found throughout the years that the best people who've given me dating advice, or any kind of advice about women, have been older men, usually in their 50s and 60s. Guys around my age also tend to give very excellent, critical advice as well. I notice that the guys around my age and older on GaG tend to have a very interesting perspective even if I don't follow or agree with all of it, there's still a lot to gain from it.

Women are fine, some of them give good advice, but I notice they tend to give it based on who or what they don't like/want as a message more about their feelings, than really trying to educate you on everything, the good, the bad, the beautiful, the crazy, etc. If that makes any sense.

[ManOnFire]

@turntout4klout I feel like although you asked us for our opinion, you were still hoping we would say women. If you believe that women give better advice, than that's what you believe. But enough people answered the opposite- including women- for a reason.

Can a woman give good advice? Sure. But it often comes from a place of her feelings, and usually from a place of what she believes you need to know about women and relationships, leaving out what she doesn't want you to believe.

A man however, will give you the bad side of men AND women along with the good.

[TruthBringer]

@ManOnFire No matter what you say, it will go right over her head. She obviously is incredibly entitled to her opinion to a point that anything that is not the same, she starts to attack other people. You can clearly she she couldn't handle my arguments and immediately resorted to personal attacks. It's users like her that make this website trashier by the day. Asking for other people's perspectives and end up attacking them (despite it was her who asked for it). It's obvious she has nothing else to bring to the table other than her body. And the evidence to that is in her profile

[ManOnFire]

@TruthBringer Yeah, I looked at it and thought the same thing.

[SteveSmith1985]

A woman. For sure. But that's because guys are trying to date... women. Knowing what THEY want or how THEY see something is important. How some other dude has had success with women FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE is not at all as helpful.

But I think the same holds true the other way around as well. Women will get the best dating advice from guys (not any guy, non-asshats)

[Turntout4klout]

Thaaaaaaaank you

[coachTanthony]

Nobody can give dating advice to a man who doesn't want it. Period. And most are too egocentric to get help in the first place.

[Turntout4klout]

Ummm...

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then same goes for women

[ManOnFire]

@coachTanthony On the contrary. Men are more often curious to know what it takes to appeal to women/want to know how to attract them. Whereas women generally believe they don't really need to know how to appeal to men.

[TruthBringer]

This analogy is all you need to know.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/mNHnXkQllGkrlCg74pLaRwbql6I1epc3oYcuN4Tbad6fiIRqv0BhLQmuNdKHnBuP-IcmHUVSWP8-QCGOd46PBWUe9roIZOCxXCOGZgafOPbt1dvwr77BpdHVylDHmIHLzWqR2-FTV4PPWNOUzQ

Generally speaking, a man should ask advise from another man who knows how to attract and keep a woman. It is not that women are bad at giving advice, it is that they often give the politically correct advice. This is funny enough often advice that contradicting to what actually works. For example, they tell a guy being sweet and nice will get a girl, but in reality what works if the guy is stoic and knows how to put them in their place (aka bad boy attitude). And any guy who has been in the dating scene long enough knows this.

Women are unconciously more concerned with how they will look/be perceived when they giving advice rather than giving some cold harsh facts. Men on the other hand tell each other the reality of the matter, no matter how harsh it may be.

My dating success is not thanks to asking women (which I did in the past), it is thanks to men giving solid advice.

[Turntout4klout]

OK i worded the question a specific way for a reason That understandably was missed. Yeah for the most part women are absolutely horrible at giving this advice For some of the reasons you just said... HOWEVER my question was who is "capable" of giving better advice. And from what I've seen that is definitely a female. They offer an insight that a man never will be able to do. At the end of the day it's just because we know better than a man what it's like to be a woman even though most of us have a hard time articulating how we feel. I can cite the examples that I used to come to that conclusion

[TruthBringer]

@turntout4klout Your insights are useless to the other pperson if you cannot articulate a proper advice. So once again, when it comes to dating, it's MEN who are best to give advice to men on how to attract women. Why? Because MEN have to go through all the steps and entire process in attracting women. It's MEN who have other sights that you will NEVER have, which is the fact that a straight woman does not know what it is like to be a man who tries to date women. So while you say you have other insights, so we do.

[Turntout4klout]

Lol. It must suck being you

[Turntout4klout]

But let me ask you a question. What can women do as good if not better than a man in your opinion?

[TruthBringer]

Why would it suck being me? Mind explaining that first?

[Turntout4klout]

Because life's got to suck when nobody will fuck you without paying for it.

[TruthBringer]

@turntout4klout Oh how lovely, shaming tactics. Instead of attacking my point you choose to attack me personally. An obvious battle cry of someone who has lost an argument. And sorry to break it to you sweetie, but I'm in a loving relationship for a few years already. Sucks to be you for not only using low IQ shaming tactics, but also to fail in the process 😂😂

[Turntout4klout]

Oh how lovely you made a prostitute your girlfriend. Good for you. My point is simple you're trying to tell us that you know us much better than we know ourselves. And you dont. Thats actually insulting. Your not a woman even though i see some similarities.

[Turntout4klout]

Maybe it doesn't suck to be you since you're totally unaware of what a fucking idiot u are

[TruthBringer]

@turntout4klout Oh sweetheart, not everyone is a thot like yourself and not everyone is going to want to make their girlfriend smoeone like you. I know it's hard for you to hear new perspectives which YOU yourself asked for, but that's your own issue. And I know it is hard for you to grasp the concept of love, affection and genuine care for yourself and not be seen as just a warm hole to put dicks in. The fact that you started off throwing personal insults is a testament to the invalidity of your arguments. So I'm an idiot, yet you're incapable to provide valid counter arguments. Makes you truly wonder who the idiot is. Shouldn't you go make content for your OnlyFans now?

[Turntout4klout]

Oh my someones got some mommy issues. I know you think your superior to all woman and want to be accepted by they guys but you just dont fit in anywhere and you probably never will and Im sorry no one wanted you on their team. Anyone who self proclaims his word is absolute truth is just be... fuck it there's no point you'll always be a loser.

[TruthBringer]

Oh I'm sorry, did you say something? Couldn't hear you over "I am damaged and have nothing else to bring to the table other than my body and sexuality"

[Heartache0405]

@TruthBringer is absolutely correct. Bravo.

[CasaNorba]

@Turntout4klout its funny how you're here trying so damn hard to accused this man of being with nothing but prostitutes when you yourself look like a ride or die prostitute in your profile pic.

[Heartache0405]

@Turnout4klout is correct

[Heartache0405]

Not @Turnout4klout, meant to say CasaNorba 😅 wrong person

[Turntout4klout]

Ill just let you guys blow eachother

[Heartache0405]

I think we’d rather go get drinks and laugh about this thread, @Turnout4klout 😂

[ZackBan]

Funny you bring up the pick up artist because just today I was curious about all that and went through their history, ever since this guy in the hat made the discovery that men and women can have sex and started a revolution that changed the dating market for good.

See the problem with your question is, traditional pickup is something very bad and toxic, it relies on making a woman feel inferior in order to bring down her social status.
But that over the years has lead to the birth of a new philosophy which is for a guy to boost his own social status to match the girl he's trying to date. And while healthier it's still straining on men.

Today we enter an age where we no longer consider status a factor as opposed to communication skills. This is why we have female coaches.
Teaching pickup is now simply teaching the lesson they never teach you in school. How to talk to people, how to read the room and when to say what in order for the other person to feel good and chose to spend more time with you.

I voted for men because I still think women don't really say what they truly desire yet.
The same woman saying she wants a caring guy will find herself drawn to the emotionally unavailable bad boy. So any advice from her don't even apply to her, how is that credible?

[Heartache0405]

I believe Men are more capable of giving the best advice to other men and to women. I think this because men are the ones who chase after the women in order to find a relationship.


Women do this too but that’s not the majority in society. Women tend to make themselves look pretty or sexualized in a vague attempt to attract a specific guy when it’s attracting more than just one guy. (If that one guy is even interested in the first place.) By exposing cleavage, caking themselves in make-up, dressing for the most part scantily-clad. Or they try to get that guy to hang out with them alone and outside of a group. Which is just setting up the girl for many bad things to occur. Yet they are always blaming the men when this happens. Even if they’re the one who initiated.


If women were the primary chaser, than I’d say that the women would be the ones giving the advice capable of being the best for dating. But they’re not. They should be in my opinion, because then they’d know how shitty it can be.

[Floppy2112]

For men? Definitely not women, for the most part. I will not make that mistake again. The reason being is that I do not believe most women are able to articulate this advice to a man in an objective way.
What I have tended to see happen is women advise men on how men ought to behave and be, based on a 'man of her dreams' narrative and not the unknown quantity he tends to be. And the way women want to be approached by the men they know they desire vs. the unknown quantity are two different things entirely.

So say the woman who gave you the advice, were to meet her favorite actor, I don't know who's hot right now... Isn't Chris Hemsworth an actor a lot of chicks dig? For the sake of argument say she's likes him and she were to meet him how would she prefer he behave? Of course, she wants him to be welcoming, open and nice, polite, open about his feelings, assuring her that she could get close to him, all the typical stuff women say they want in a man...
Now enter, Mr. Unknown quantity. Does she want Mr. Unknown to approach her and be open and welcoming? I have a feeling 'open and 'welcoming' would be interpreted as weird and creepy. She'd likely just prefer he go fuck-off and leave her alone.
My hypothesis, women tend to give advice based on what they fantasize about regarding the men they truly value, not the reality on the cold, cold ground most men find themselves on. And that's why I think women giving men advice on dating typically does not work.

[MJtheCoach]

Woman talk backwards they always say the opposite what do you mean you talk in riddles and if you listen to the advice might as well just turn gay

[TheorionMage]

Its a matter of the negotiation of resources...
the PROBLEM lies with Society's reticence
to acknowledge that the FEMALE controls eventual access to her EGGS.

The 'root' cause underlying the cultural 'audition' of 'dating'.

Our culture irresponsibly short-sightedly tries to de-couple the immediate physical pleasure
of competent copulation from its 'default' natural purpose of 'conception'.
(You CAN do the FIRST, PROVIDING you're long-term mindful to circumvent the second.)

Hypocritically, moralistic Prudes espouse this is AGAINST their Creator's intent
and therefore 'sinful', yet have NO ethical problem with encouraging...
and harvesting the lactations of
herd animals and the ovulation of many fowl.
Is the relationship 'symbiotic'? Does EACH obtain 'advantage'?
Be they resources, shelter, protection from predation?

SELECTIVE 'conscience' perhaps?

[Wester1967]

Women give dating advice to how they wish their hottest dream lovers Chad and Tyrone should be. The ones who treat them like second class citizens "Oh, he should be more kind, and caring, and emotional, and open, and share his feelings." Blah Blah Blah. All that info is for the top 5% of dudes exclusively. If you are not in that group, as soon as you start acting like that, your woman will dump you on your ass. I don't even think women are conscious of what they are saying half the time regarding this. Guys should only take dating advice from other guys. And not from those creepy desperate so called "friends" that would sell you out in a blue second to get a shot at your girlfriend. It's a war zone. Be careful out there.

[Luopio27]

This is like asking who are better colored parents.


My answer is equally neither or both. All depends on the indevidual.


As far as dating tips go, the ones that have rejected me are the worse, not because they are pretty white women but because the truthful answer to the advice would be like selling a product they wouldn't buy or want to own just to fix. Same thing applyes if the genders were reversed.


If by some miracle the advisor would be the one who has turned down a date request from a friend, ends up falling in love, that change of heart story belongs to Hollywood fiction.

[InferiorElegy]

In my experience both give shit advice.
Guys hype you up, give false hope and fucking tell you to just go do it, which is not how you go about it because there are clear indications wether you should approach a female or not.

Girls advice is for guys who are a 4 or better. Females say dumb shit like "looks don't matter you just need confidence" or "I've dated ugly guys" bullshit, an ugly guy to a female is a 4 any less is not dateable no matter the confidence but money will help for a while. I used to be confident but it never worked for me in fact I've been told plenty of times I was rejected because I was too ugly. When females tell me they've dated ugly guys I've asked plenty of them to show me a picture of the ugliest guy they've dated and the guy is always a 4 or better.

If you're truly an ugly guy just stay single.

[JustAnj]

That's why its better to not label a dude or have him in a category. He's just a guy and either he is awesome but your feelings aren't there and you realize that and let them go or they suck and you just walk away before it gets more toxic. Love can make that last one hard.

Girls who say confidence is all you need are not wrong you just might be going after girls that chose to categorize men the way you are doing it now. I wouldn't want to be with that girl, everyone is different honestly. 🤷

[InferiorElegy]

@JustAnj some of us guys are destined to be alone no matter how hard we try, so giving up is the best choice. Also it's easier for me to describe people by numbers when talking about attractiveness. I've had a female friends tell me I am exactly the type of guy they want to end up with but I don't have an attractive enough face for them. I've heard girls tell unattractive guys they only date guys who are muscular and then tell guys who are muscular but not that attractive that they prefer dad bods, in fact I've been one of those guys whose ugly but fit.

[LogicBomber]

A fisherman should never take the advice on how to fish from the fish.

Women have zero idea how to give men advice.
They tell men what they think they (women) want and what sounds good, but not what they actually want.

For example: Women will say they want a nice guy, but will lose interest in a guy who is nice.

Women say “just be yourself” but will think a guys weird or creepy if he is awkward.

Women say looks don’t matter but openly shut down and shame men who are under 6’, are not fit, etc.

Women say “no means no” but then also claim they say no to see if we will try harder.

NEVER EVER TAKE Advice from women about women.

[syskerully]

Women give better advice for finding someone to date, men give better advice for getting laid quick. Women will help a man or woman establish a connection with someone based on things that will matter in a relationship: clarity, confidence, empathy, adaptability, solid value system, responsibility, etc; but men will help you make a good first impression, even if it's something you can't sustain, just to have sex with someone. You need both, sometimes you want a relationship, sometimes you want to fuck someone's brains out at an afterparty.

[JCrockett]

Guys give plenty of both good and bad dating advice, but women never give good male dating advice, ever. That's just my experience. Every once in a while, a post-menopausal woman who has already raised a family will speak honestly about what women feel. But in all other cases, women will only say what they think they want to be true, not what is true.

As Patrice O'Neal said, "If you want to know how to catch fish, ask a fisherman, not a fish."

[Turntout4klout]

Wait what? Dont ask the fish? I wish there was an award for most douchey opinion.

[JCrockett]

Who catches more fish? Fishermen, or fish?

[TruthBringer]

@turntout4klout Is that what you call an intellectual comeback. Quite the irony when you speak of douchey opinions when you've literally made one yourself. Your lack of valid arguments made sure that your useless comment is hereby dismissed.

[lightbulb27]

Guys can give advice on understanding women from a man's perspective which helps in various aspects of life with women.

Women give better advice in terms of dating because they understand their needs and that's what matters.

But men are helpful because they understand their viewpoint and can provide support to one another.

[AviatorTom]

Excellent question. As a guy, I guess it depends on what I'm trying to get out of dating.

If I'm looking for a relationship, a woman can probably give better advice.

If I'm looking for sex, maybe a one night stand or friends with benefits, a guy can probably give me better pointers.

[ShadezMcgee]

I would say men should listen to men who have had successful relationships when dating and for long term.

While women can give good suggestions and advice, I feel a lot of it stems more from personal feelings and the men they desire as individuals deep down because of how the behavior the man they like makes them feel, not from the perspective of a generalized approach.

[molonski2]

None of examples shown , they are just out to make money , and trying to be super cool , and man who can explain to the individual involved , what to do , how to create opportunities , and just as its important to know Why you fail? Its also as Important to know why you succeed?
The vast majority of the stuff that ( most ) of those presenters say is BS -- not all however , some give some very good functional advice.

[Kaneki05]

None really. You could talk to a woman about advice on it, she may give you her bias answer of what she specifically wants. Then a guy could say specifically what women want in his opinion.
Then who's to judge there opinion is bias or not. Seem like a daft thing.

The way to actually get proper advice is experience it yourself.

[Phoenix98]

Neither.

I think that's more down to individuals rather then men or women. Some people are more willing to listen then others or they may like this guys advice better then that gals and so on and so on.

And they have to be willing to listen in the first place.