Why are old men so convinced that young women find them attractive? ?

[shaysh87]

Its something that I never understood. Since when have women found bald spots, hair loss, wrinkles, saggy skin, saggy balls, muscle loss / weakness, erectile dysfunction to be attractive? Do men really think that women find that shit attractive? sure there will always be weirdos in both genders who find wrinkles and saggy balls to be attractive. But I honestly do not think the overwhelming majority of women would give up a handsome, tall, strong young man with a full head of hair for a balding wrinkly old guy with saggy balls.

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Humans have been designed through thousands of years of evolution to find young people in 20-30s to be most attractive. We are most attracted to those who are capable of producing the healthiest offspring. Older men are less likely to produce healthy offspring. Likewise with older women.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Lol their ego has trick them. Those guys typically were attractive when young and had lots of girls after them but once they crossed over to a certain age they still think they have it.

Most young woman like much older guys for their money, nothing else.

[Tstrbrainer]

It's their money they are attracted at

[LegendaryIcon]

nope

[BeMuse]

Hair loss/bald spots: Most guys start gradually losing hair in their 20s. Most men don’t really notice it until their 30s to 40s but it is constantly happening from a young age. If you think 20 is old, then you must be damn old at 30.

Wrinkles/saggy skin: This again is mostly to do with sun exposure. Women often show these issues when they are in their late 20s to early 30s because they put so many chemical on their skin due to wearing makeup. Most men don’t show it until they are in their 50s or 60s. So much younger women have the same problems. Thus it’s a non issue

Saggy balls: Guys balls always sag. It’s how temperature is regulated to keep healthy sperm. They sag away from the body in heat and pull closer to the body in the cold. So that is a nonissue.

Muscle loss/weakness: Muscle loss in men is like 3-5% per decade after 30 if they don’t maintain themselves. Being that women have 55% of the upper body strength as men, the guy would need to be like 120 years old to be on par with the average woman. Again a nonissue again.

Erectile dysfunction isn’t even a thing for most men until they hit their late 60s or 70s...

[shaysh87]

[Muscle loss/weakness: Muscle loss in men is like 3-5% per decade after 30 if they don’t maintain themselves. Being that women have 55% of the upper body strength as men, the guy would need to be like 120 years old to be on par with the average woman. Again a nonissue again.]

women like their men strong. so if you're weak as a man, that's a huge turn off. Women rely on men to protect them and their off spring. On the other hand, weakness in women is admired.

[Wrinkles/saggy skin: This again is mostly to do with sun exposure. Women often show these issues when they are in their late 20s to early 30s because they put so many chemical on their skin due to wearing makeup. Most men don’t show it until they are in their 50s or 60s. So much younger women have the same problems. Thus it’s a non issue]

Men start showing visible signs of aging in their mid 30s. It doesn't become very noticeable until 40s. Nobody would agree with you that wrinkles start showing 50-60s in men.

[Erectile dysfunction isn’t even a thing for most men until they hit their late 60s or 70s...]

Erectile dysfunction starts showing in mid 40s then only intensifies as he enters his 50s and 60s.

[Hair loss/bald spots: Most guys start gradually losing hair in their 20s. Most men don’t really notice it until their 30s to 40s but it is constantly happening from a young age. If you think 20 is old, then you must be damn old at 30.]

Most balding men start losing hair by mid 30s.

[BeMuse]

The point is that men will always be strong in comparison to their women. Strength is relative. I guess that went over your head. It took too brain power... Men also don’t like weak, lazy, incapable women either. You’re lying to yourself on that one.

Unless the man works outside in the sun all day everyday, around carcinogenic toxic chemicals, or is a heavy smoker (all things that age you faster), he’s not showing more than maybe crows eyes when he smiles or a forehead wrinkle or two that can be notice from 2 or 3 inches away from his face until he hits his 50s. You really have no clue what you are talking about. Most men do not look wrinkly until their 60s, but they do start to accumulate in various regions in our 50s. Men see those same sort of wrinkles accumulate in women that are like 27... Women tend plaster their face with make up, they like to lay out on the beach to sun tan, they are always forcing expressions for pictures and to fake emotions. It just happens so much more rapidly in women due to how they live on average.

Again hair loss happens in men in our 20, you just don’t notice it on most men. A lot of guys will start to recognize their own hair thinning after it has happened by their early 30s, but it has been thinning all through their 20s to get to that point.

Here you go since you don't understand reality...

[shaysh87]

[The point is that men will always be strong in comparison to their women. Strength is relative. I guess that went over your head. It took too brain power... Men also don’t like weak, lazy, incapable women either. You’re lying to yourself on that one.]

It does not matter if women are not as strong. Men do not admire strong women. BUT, its necessary for a man to be physically capable and strong to show that he can protect his lady and his children. Since the cavemen days, females have been actively seeking strong men as mates.

[Unless the man works outside in the sun all day everyday, around carcinogenic toxic chemicals, or is a heavy smoker (all things that age you faster), he’s not showing more than maybe crows eyes when he smiles or a forehead wrinkle or two that can be notice from 2 or 3 inches away from his face until he hits his 50s. You really have no clue what you are talking about. Most men do not look wrinkly until their 60s, but they do start to accumulate in various regions in our 50s. Men see those same sort of wrinkles accumulate in women that are like 27... Women tend plaster their face with make up, they like to lay out on the beach to sun tan, they are always forcing expressions for pictures and to fake emotions. It just happens so much more rapidly in women due to how they live on average.]

women have beauty products and frequently use sunscreen. So women age less while men age more. Men start looking like crap in their late 30s.

[Again hair loss happens in men in our 20, you just don’t notice it on most men. A lot of guys will start to recognize their own hair thinning after it has happened by their early 30s, but it has been thinning all through their 20s to get to that point]

I've been on earth long enough and seen enough balding men to notice that balding tends to start in mid 30s, or sometimes even early 30s for men.

[shaysh87]

you only have 8 years before you officially start looking like shit

[BeMuse]

I'm not worried at all. Women have always gravitated to me without effort. You however, already look like shit. How's that going for you?

[shaysh87]

of courser women are gravitating towards you right now. you are in your early 30s. Just wait till you wait until your early 40s when you start losing hair, growing white hairs, wrinkles, losing muscle mass, gaining weight. Then take a look at how many women will be chasing you by then.

[BeMuse]

I’m 6’3”, White, I have broad shoulders and big muscles, I was very athletic in my youth and am still in decent shape, I have a handsome face and blue-green eyes, I have a supper deep resonating voice that makes panties drop, I have a big dick, an IQ of 158, I’m highly educated and relatively sucessful, I have have a wealth of knowledge, skills, and natural talents that most people will never have, girls tend to love talking to me in person and think I am very charming, smart, genuine, funny, and confident. I’m always surprising them and am very underestimated... Quite frankly I won the genetic lottery... I’m sure I’ll be fine.

[shaysh87]

hahah if you were so attractive and can easily get women, then why are you on this website filled with bitter, sad , angry, insecure men complaining about women? why are you still single at your age while plenty of other men in their 30s are getting married and having kids?

I'm sure you're nothing that you've mentioned. Just because you spew out lies, it doesn't mean its true.

if you were so attractive, you wouldn't be so passive aggressive on here.

[BeMuse]

I’m not passive aggressive. I am bluntly honest. If you’re overly sensitive, you’ll probably get your feelings hurt and feel that I am aggressive and domineering. I do have a relatively dominate fixed personality. Some women love that, others hate it. It is what it is… I’m not built for fragile people. Women with thick skin and basic social skills usually bring the best out in me and then discover the compassion, patience, respect, trustworthiness, integrity, determination, loyalty, honesty, ambition, bravery, etc. that I possess along with a slew of other stuff, but I'm pretty low key about most things. That said I’m definitely not for the timid... As far as this site, it’s just a general interest Q&A forum. Most people aren’t hear to talk about their relationship issues. It’s just a place to goof off when you wake up in the middle of the night or when you’re tired of doing other things.

[shaysh87]

you ARE passive aggressive with your response. If you attracted masses of women, you wouldn't sound so bitter, angry and insecure. Chances are you can't get any woman, you're not physically attractive, you don't get hit on by any women. You have no talents.

this is why you're so bitter and passive aggressive.

You can say you aren't but your actions prove you wrong.

Actions speak louder than words

[shaysh87]

[It’s just a place to goof off when you wake up in the middle of the night or when you’re tired of doing other things.]

75% of men on this website are bitter, sad, angry and hate women. because they can't ever get any women. Low quality shallow men who complain about women having "high standards" YET, they refuse to date any woman over 30.

[PardontheMasculinity]

You know what’s funny when women talk about stuff like this they’re only speaking about a relationship not fucking older men get more pussy they have experience on their side when it comes to getting laid skill beats looks everyday of the week so I don't know what your talking about

[BeMuse]

You don't even know what passive aggression is. In order to be passive aggressive you have to avoid direct communication. Passive aggressive people change the subject when they are wrong, just like you did with your line of “you’re going to expire in 8 years” or “you’re passive aggressive” rather than sticking to the subject based on objective facts. They often resort to insults just like you did. They often feel cheated and underappreciated which you obviously do since you think you’re hot shit and old guys are pieces of crap. They do things to sabotage their relationships with passive hostility like make intentional mistakes that will lead to arguments and drive drama like you’re doing right now trying to stir up drama. So stop projecting cupcake...

I told you directly what I am and why I'm not worried at all. It was a clear assertive statement. When I addressed your points of your initial question I assertively gave you clear reasoning and even some scientific data that backs some of my claims. Just because you felt disrespected by being wrong, doesn't mean I’m passive aggressive. I said I’m “underestimate”, not “underappriciated or cheated”. Like I said, “girls tend to love talking to me in person and think I am very charming, smart, genuine, funny, and confident”. Learn to read between the lines... That is an expression of being appreciated.

Guys that have a lot of options rarely race to get married. Women that lack depth and depend on being pretty are the ones racing to be married as early as possible. They know they don’t have a lot to offer and that they face a biological clock to produce babies before they hit menopause. Guys aren’t under the same biological or social pressures.

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

young women do not fuck old men. they never did. Just take a look at the marriage statistics. Most women are marrying men less than 10 years older.

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

who cares if you have more experience, if I'm not attracted to you. Women do not fuck men that we are not attracted to. The vast majority of women aren't attracted to you. Sure only the few weirdos are.

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

yea go ahead and continue bragging about how you're not losing hair yet, still have muscle, no wrinkles. You're just 32, but you will be crying about a totally different story by the time you hit 42. Continue believing in lies that you don't age and never will.

[PardontheMasculinity]

Like I said I’m not talking about marriage I’m talking about fucking and women fuck men they’re not attracted to all the time and 30 isn't old late 30s isn’t old men still get laid well into our 50s you just seem kinda butthurt about it is it because after women peak around 16 to 21 they get less and less attractive

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

women do not marry old guys because they aren't attracted to you physically. why would she be fucking you if she's not attracted to you physically? I'm not physically attracted to old men. Neither are any of my girlfriends dating an old man.

[shaysh87]

@pardonthemasculinity

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

Across religions and regions, women are younger than their male partners from 2-6 years, on average.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

@pardonthemasculinity

95% of marriage records show women marrying men less than 10 years older

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

women aren't marrying much much older guys because they aren't physically attracted to them.

[BeMuse]

I’m older than my profile age and still very capable of attracting very young and attractive women without any flash of money, thus I know your wrong again. Women are generally very bad at judging age. Women always think I am 10 or 15 years younger than I really am and some how really mature for my age... I’m not bragging at all, just giving it to you blunt. If that makes you feel inferior or “cheated” in life, tough shit. That is something you need to learn to deal with on your own time. When I registered for this site I just clicked a random boxes to create the account. I don’t take the account or site too seriously... I’m sure when I hit my mid 50s or 60s I’ll look like an old man, but I’ve never been fixated on my looks to begin with. Quite frankly I don’t care what I look like, but it seems to get the job done.

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

I’ll bet you look 10-15 years older than your real age. Men who can actually get women do not talk like a bitter sad angry old man with 50 cats

[PardontheMasculinity]

Again your talking about marriage and dating I’m talking about fucking getting our poles greased this is why I say women give terrible advice on getting laid because you tell boy to say and do things with a girl they really like or want to have a relationship with older men fuck more because they have what millennials call game

[BeMuse]

Yep she doesn’t get it. Causal hookups aren’t even in the same ballpark as marriage. That’s the mental barrier most women have... They want to get married quickly and lock a quality man into a relationship because their ovaries are running out of eggs and their friends and family pressure them to settle down and reproduce, go to baby showers, or whatever else. They all want to be part of the same group and go places together to share the same experiences. As a man I’ve never felt pressured to settle down by my parents, brothers, or friends. It’s always girls that I’ve dated that want to rush things in a relationship, their sisters that ask crap like when are you going to marry her, or older women I work with that think I’m hot shit and say you should really get married, you have everything going for you. I’m just having fun most of the time and am pretty picky when it comes to the type of women I will start a serious relationship with and even consider marriage.

[PardontheMasculinity]

@BeMuse me too I think most guys are pretty picky when it comes to an actual serious relationship but hooking up not so much

[Slingblade1126]

@PardontheMasculinity don't listen to her. She's projecting her bitterness and loneliness onto everyone else. She can't get a man at any age! She actually plans on getting artificial insemination due to the fact no one wants her (for pretty obvious reasons.) She also has a very weird obsession with older guys. I think she has daddy issues.

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

who wants to lay a balding man, losing hair, gaining weight, wrinkly face, saggy balls, erectile dysfunction getting worse every year? women aren't physically attracted to you in the first place. nobody wants to fuck you. Thats why women don't want to marry you.

because trust me, if women were soooo attracted to old men, they would've married these old grandpas.

[shaysh87]

@Slingblade1126

perverts like you would want any woman as long as she is in her 20s.

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

Its better to be a woman than a man. Single men can't have kids. Single women can have kids.

Desperate single old men sit there , growing older and uglier every year, losing hair, gaining weight, wrinkles, saggy balls not working anymore. And still hoping that a young woman would look in his direction. who wants to have kids with a man who looks like that? not to mention your sub par sperm.

Even if I get artificial insemination , i would get it from a guy under 35, not some ugly, wrinkly 45 yr old who thinks he's still in his prime. 45 yr old men produce incompetent offspring.

[BeMuse]

You really don't understand men at all. The statement “hoping that a young woman would look in his direction” is a direct reflection of your own desperation. Men don’t sit around waiting for someone to give them the world on a silver platter, we go out and get what we want from life by taking initiative. While you sit on the sidelines, we take action... Pumping out random babies with people we don’t care about is pretty low on our list of ambitions.

[PardontheMasculinity]

@shaysh87 id like to apologize on behalf of the person hurt you lol

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

[Men don’t sit around waiting for someone to give them the world on a silver platter, we go out and get what we want from life by taking initiative. While you sit on the sidelines, we take action... Pumping out random babies with people we don’t care about is pretty low on our list of ambitions.]

then go ahead and be a 45 yr old man who looks like shit, getting older and uglier by the year. still asking for some young woman's phone number. You will be crying on GAG about how some young girl called you a creep. (I've seen that on here). And Even if she does fuck you, she will end up marrying a younger guy that is just 5 years older than her.

take a look at marriages statistics. 95% of all marriages are less than 10 years age gap.

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

hahah is that the best you can come up with? admit it, nobody finds grandpas attractive. Most young women in 20s are dating guys in their 20s-30s

[BeMuse]

@shaysh87 You’re still blabbering about the marriage you couldn’t achieve by waiting for someone to randomly come out of nowhere to deal with your psychosis huh?

[PardontheMasculinity]

I said what I said you can choose to believe it or not and again you keep talking about dating I’m talking about Fucking lol

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

Humans have been designed through thousands of years of evolution to find young people in 20-30s to be most attractive. We are most attracted to those who are capable of producing the healthiest offspring. Older men are less likely to produce healthy offspring. Likewise with older women.

why are you more attracted to younger women? because younger women produce healthier offspring. why do most men get married in their 30s rather than 40s/50s? because men in their 30s are much more physically attractive than men in their 40s-50s

[shaysh87]

@PardontheMasculinity

most young women aren't interested in fucking much much older men. they're not attracted to you.

[BeMuse]

Your reasoning isn't valid. If youth and ability to reproduce were the driving factors for what made people marry, the average age would be 13.

[BeMuse]

Maybe that is another revelation about you. You're a pedophile, thus your obsession with youth.

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

Women in their 20s produce the healthier offspring compared to 13 yr olds. If a 13 yr old gives birth , her chances of birth complications increase and she might even break a few bones trying to push the baby out. A 13 yr old's body is simply not developed enough to successfully give birth to a baby with minimal complications.

[shaysh87]

@BeMuse

[Maybe that is another revelation about you. You're a pedophile, thus your obsession with youth.]

Nobody is gonna agree with you that you look better when you lose hair, gain weight, wrinkles, sagginess. Nobody would ever find that shit attractive

when have you ever seen a guy who was happy about losing hair? when was the last time you saw a guy who was happy about gaining weight as he got older? when was the last time you saw a guy who was glad that his face is filled with wrinkles? NEVER

[BeMuse]

The facts are the facts. Two people I don't know came and agreed with me and disagreed with you, yet you keep claiming no one will agree with me. You're incapable of logical thinking and spew constant lies. That's typical of mentally ill pedophiles. You sound a lot like that BLM member that just slammed into a Christmas parade.

[lambrini]

Lol what a shitty person, you're most likely gonna end up alone with cats lmao.

Besides men don't like to date older women because women age like milk lol saggy tits, gut out, weak hair, dried up pussy and a complete cougar look, but instead younger women like older men, even when I tried dating this 15 year old girl back when we were in school she said she wants someone older like 30 so clearly younger women chase older guys not the other way around.

Ever heard of the word "daddy" you ignorant washed up whore, young girls made this word to address older men and when they can find them they call their young boyfriend daddies LMAO

Have fun with your dried up pussy and with cats for the rest of your life.

[liel443]

Because young men are idiots. If you don't like older man, go ahead and date that price charming who plays video games, still have his mom do his laundry and thinks going out to clubs in awesome, and I'll have that guy with saggy balls who wears pants when he's outside, don't consider McDonald's a restaurant and don't have an Instagram account.
Everyone wins.

[shaysh87]

you're an old woman, of course you would prefer a 60 yr old man over a 30 yr old man.

[shaysh87]

I guess people would have to grow wrinkles, start suffering from hair loss and erectile dysfunction in order for you to have absolutely anything in common with them. 30 yr old men aren't too young, its just that you're too old.

[RichSD]

Shaysh87 has heard the same thing from men and women of all ages and adamantly refuses to believe it. She thinks that just because *SHE* finds one demographic attractive, that all other people have to agree with her. She's argued with about 98% of all replies on this. She doesn't want an answer, she wants to rant and rave. She actively says mean things about anyone for being older. Sounds to me like a midlife crisis and she's angry at herself for turning 30.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I have research and studies backing me up, dude. I look at what research and statistics have to say, not what some pervert who only dates women 35 years younger.

[Anonymous]

Lol! In another 5,6 years you won't have any choice but hookup with old saggy balls because a young stallion isn't gonna want your wrinkled ass. Unless he's gonna want to move your tits to your shoulders so he has a place to put his hands when he's on top. I'm not even going to mention the logistics of you being on top.

[shaysh87]

I'm starting a family and having children in 7-8 years regardless if I find a man. Women don't need men.

[Opinion Owner]

Just say it! You're a 26 year old virgin that can't get a young stallion or old saggy balls and now you're bitter toward everyone.

[shaysh87]

nobody is bitter. you're just bitter that you're a 45 yr old man with wrinkles, bald spots, hair loss, saggy balls , and erectile dysfunction. Its the 30 yr old men getting all the hot young chicks in 20s, not you. Not to mention your sub par sperm, who wants to have your mentally retarded child?

[shaysh87]

why am I bitter? Im' in the prime of my life. you're on your DECLINE.

[Opinion Owner]

Actually you've reached your peak a year ago. You said you want to start a family in 7,8 years using a sperm donor 'cause no man wants you? I'd advise against that because after 25 you are in an increased risk and also not as fertil. You see, I can have kids if I'm 90, how about you?

[shaysh87]

my mother had me at 37. my aunt just gave birth at the age of 33 to twin daughters perfectly healthy. My mom also had my brother at 40, he's a civil engineer right now.

[shaysh87]

[You see, I can have kids if I'm 90, how about you?]

haha, who wants to have kids with a man with erectile dysfunction, bald spots, hair loss, wrinkles, saggy balls? I wouldn't even want you to be my sperm donor.

Women are always guaranteed kids in life. On the other hand, Only men have to sit there wait until they are balding, losing hair, gaining weight, getting wrinkly, saggy, their balls not working anymore. Getting uglier and wrinklier by the year , still hoping that a young woman will look your way.

Your chances of having kids do not increase as you get older. Most men have all their kids by the time they hit 40

[shaysh87]

[Actually you've reached your peak a year ago.]

you've reached your peak 15 years ago. I can have kids all the way until I am 40

[Opinion Owner]

That's wonderful. Doesn't take away from the fact your increasing your risk for problems each year. Since you'll never find a man just get inseminated now. If you're a student you can still attend classes, if you already have a career, child leave is pretty liberal now, expecially if it's a bigger company. I'm only looking out for you and your future child.

[shaysh87]

it doesn't change the fact that I'm not attracted to you and I don't even want your defective sperm. why would i settle for a 45 yr old man's sperm if I can get a 30 yr old man's sperm? 30 yr old men look wayy hotter too. No hair loss, no bald spots, no weight gain, no wrinkles, no erectile dysfunction, no age spots.

[shaysh87]

[If you're a student you can still attend classes, if you already have a career, child leave is pretty liberal now, expecially if it's a bigger company. I'm only looking out for you and your future child.]

why would I trust you to look out for me and my child if you're 45+ and still single, desperate, childless. No woman in sight wants you. Most guys are married with kids by your age. I only trust guys who are successful at building families, not bitter, angry , disturbed single men who can't get wives.

[Opinion Owner]

Wow, woman! You are unhinged! For one thing I am married with children and why on God's green earth would I be attracted to you? I've never met you but I read enough. You're a 26 year old woman talking about getting artificial insemination because no man wants you. That alone, along with the rest of your psycho babble, makes it quite clear you have some serious mental challenges, which is fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of but please consider getting professional help before having children.

[shaysh87]

there's no way you have children or a family of any sort. Because any man with kids , who had been successful at dating at any point in life won't be as bitter, sad, angry as you. You wouldn't be so angry and condescending if you had anything good going on for you.

I don't want a man. Don't need one either. But even if I wanted a man, I still have the rest of my life of date. Unlike you, a saggy balding old man losing hair, your days are limited, with the way you look.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol! I'm angry? I'm actually pretty happy with where I am in life. By the way, get new material. This whole, saggy balding wrinkled blah blah stuff wasn't clever the first time you said it but I'm starting to think you have a very weird obsession with old guys. That's all you write about. Maybe some daddy issues? You also write a lot about being lonely and not having friends. Ha, ha, I wonder why. And of course you don't need a man, that's what they all say when they can't get one, as you also wrote. Put a smile on your face and don't be so angry and bitter. Maybe then people will actually like you. lmao!

[shaysh87]

Nobody finds men in their 40s to be attractive. So quit harassing me just because I'm not attracted to your hair loss, erectile dysfunction or old man belly. A tall strong handsome young man can easily beat the shit out of an aging weak old man. Women like their men young, tall and strong.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol. To bad you can't get one of those strong handsome men 'cause you're crazy. lol It's comical how you think I could be attracted to you. It just shows how insane you are! You can't get anyone, you cry about, you're thinking about artificial insemination because that's the only way you can get impregnated. If anything, you want my saggy balls but you can't have them! I'm happily married and I'm not attracted to nut jobs. lol

[shaysh87]

I don't need a tall young handsome strong man to have a family. I can start a family myself. Men need women. Women do not need men.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol. Good luck getting pregnant without a dude. Not only are you a lonely bitter aging women but you're not very intelligent.

[shaysh87]

Only men are lonely bitter and aging because men can't have kids. Women never get lonely because we can have kids without a man.

[shaysh87]

its wayy better to be a woman than a man. Women can start a family if she wants. MEN CAN'T.

[Opinion Owner]

Hey, if that's what makes your lonely bitter life more tolerable keep telling yourself that. You see, I don't have to worry about having a family and a partner, I have both. Just don't make any rash decisions because it's obvious you have psychological issues and your children will be the ones that suffer.

[shaysh87]

Women don't get lonely because women have kids.

[Opinion Owner]

That's scarry! Are gonna have a thirty year old kid suckling you saggy dried up tits? Kids leave home. Then where are gonna be? A lonely bitter old lady that could never land a man.

[shaysh87]

well its at least better than you, a 45 yr old man getting older and uglier and wrinklier by the year, still hoping that a young woman of child bearing age will look in your direction. who wants to fuck a guy who looks like you? nobody over the age of 45 is ever attractive. nobody wants your sub par sperm either. 45 yr old men produce incompetent offspring.

[shaysh87]

[A lonely bitter old lady that could never land a man.]

I'm gonna have kids by the time I hit my 30s. I don't need a man to have kids. Men need women. but women do not need men

[shaysh87]

For The First Time Ever, Women in Their 30s Are Having More Babies Than 20-Somethings

www.sciencealert.com/for-the-first-time-ever-women-in-their-30s-are-having-more-babies-than-20-somethings

[Opinion Owner]

You are fucking delusional! Lol. I'm happy! I wouldn't want a young girl with your mental issues. YOU have the problem. Go on YOUR own page and read your questions. Take the time and read people's opinions. You refuse professional help but it's obvious you're the perfect candidate for it! What 26 year old talks about artificial insemination unless they are in sever need of help? You talk about how your loneliness is bad for your "mental health" but then deny you have a problem. I'm not even gonna get into your obsession and hatred toward older men, other than, it is a trigger for you. I'm thinking you do have issues with your father? And yes, your children will suffer.

[Opinion Owner]

And please, get new material! It actually shows how dumb you are.

[shaysh87]

why are you constantly accusing me of loneliness if I have 3 kids along with a loving mother, brother?

I think the childless old desperate man like you is the lonely one.

[Opinion Owner]

Okay? You are telling me you have THREE children as we speak?

[shaysh87]

are you jealous?

[Opinion Owner]

Jealous of what? A psycho that can't keep her lies straight? I'm guessing you sleep upside down? Bat shit crazy are you? Did you suddenly have 3 kids in one day? Go back and read our entire conversation and also read your own questions on your profile page. You forgot who you were talking too! Lomao, ha ha, ho ho, he he! Now it's time to expose you!!

[Opinion Owner]

It is true what they say, "always tell the truth, because the truth never changes." Liar liar pants on fire!!

[shaysh87]

what is false about "single women can have kids but single men can't"? admit it, you're just jealous that I can have 3 kids by 45. while you're still single and desperate.

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao!!! Do you currently have three children or not? Simple question. I have a daughter and a son. My next question is, if you have three children are they your brother's or father's?

[shaysh87]

you don't have a daughter and a son. if you did, you wouldn't be so bitter angry and hateful and desperate

[Opinion Owner]

Don't project your bitterness and loneliness onto me! Where is your father? You mentioned how happy you are with your 3 imaginary children and your mother and brother but where is your father? Never mentioned him. I'm sure you'll come up with a lie though.

[shaysh87]

I don't need to have imaginary children. I can have my own children if I want. Real children. Only single men who can't get women would need to pretend they have kids aka imaginary kids. haha

[shaysh87]

You certainly have imaginary kids, such as the son and the daughter , that does not exist.

[Opinion Owner]

I figured it out. Your father left your mother for a younger girl. He abanded you. That is okay. No shame. You were young and had no idea as to what was going on. Now you wanna get it "right" with your imaginary children. Just so you know, you've already told me you didn't have kids.

[shaysh87]

haha my dad married an older woman. My mom is 1 yr older than my dad. They have been married for 30 years. He is 63 and is still happily married to my mom.

[shaysh87]

there is also a lot of research that shows overwhelming majority of marriages are less than 10 years apart.

[Anonymous]

You should ask all the younger women why they approach older guys all the time. This married guy I know has a 20 year old girl helping him with his business and is always with him and he doesn't look young at all, and he's probably cheating on his wife with her. Ask her, I don't know. But I'm not bald with sagging balls, soon your tits will be sagging, think about that.

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

[This married guy I know has a 20 year old girl helping him with his business and is always with him and he doesn't look young at all, and he's probably cheating on his wife with her.]

she's probably hired help. quit trying to get your hopes up.

[shaysh87]

According to pew research, average age difference between marired couples in all over the world is under 10 years apart.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

95% of all marriages are under 10 years apart.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[Opinion Owner]

That's really stupid. I have lots of hair and I'm tall and strong but younger girls want to date me, and some want to get married. Maybe for money, but maybe because I'm a nice guy and they like that. That one guy is fucking her, but it's because of money. You sure have a lot of time to write this stuff, why don't you go on a date, instead of wasting time on here?

[shaysh87]

hmm... maybe women are generally not attracted to much much much older men, which is why so few of them are marrying old guys? because if women were so attracted to old guys, they would marry old guys.

[shaysh87]

do you really want people to beleive that young women would pick some balding old man losing hair, gaining weight, wrinkly saggy over some handsome tall strong young man? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

You need to educate yourself on the difference between "attractive" and "desirable". It's a very important distinction for this questions.

Why are old men so convinced that young women find them desirable? Because they do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/style/dating-apps-online-men-women-age.html

[shaysh87]

because young women don't find them desirable?

[shaysh87]

This married guy I know has a 20 year old girl helping him with his business and is always with him and he doesn't look young at all, and he's probably cheating on his wife with her.

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

According to pew research, average age difference between married couples in all over the world is under 10 years apart.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

95% of all marriages are under 10 years apart.

[shaysh87]

[This married guy I know has a 20 year old girl helping him with his business and is always with him and he doesn't look young at all, and he's probably cheating on his wife with her.]

sorry this was a comment that was written by another user. disregard it

[Opinion Owner]

People tend to marry people closer to their own age for practical reasons, but studies show women definitely find older men more desirable than men find older women.

[shaysh87]

Women are biologically designed to find young men in their 20-30s most attractive. We are evolutionarily designed to find younger people more attractive because younger people produce healthier offspring. What we find attractive is purely based on whether or not they can produce healthy offspring. Older men are less likely to produce healthy offspring.

This is why Women are most physically attracted to young men in 20s to 30s.
Its the same reason why men are also most physically attracted to young women in their 20s.

This is why the conventionally attractive men are muscular young guys with a full head of shiny hair, no wrinkles, no saggy balls. This is the type of guy that women like to fuck, not some old grandpa.

[FlutteringFeelings]

What is an “old man” ? Some people associate being of an older age with death which isn’t true. Everyone has their different preferences and if a young women and an older man are in a relationship, why not. The young women has to be of age and not an illegal age.

[shaysh87]

so you're saying its appropriate for a 50 yr old man to be dating a 18 yr old girl?

[RichSD]

@shaysh87 You seem so hell-bent on proving everyone wrong, but you literally keep running into BOTH sexes saying that you're not. Not all women agree with you, get over it! You might be a blond or redhead, and not all guys like that either. But what difference does that make? Should you stop hoping to find love? Should you just shut down and live alone forever because some percentage of people don't find you attractive? Well, hopefully not, but your bitterness has me wondering.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

why don't you just stop being so pissed off and angry over the fact that most young women aren't attracted to old fat uncles or grandpas?
.
we are looking for young guys with a shining full head of hair, strong muscles, v shaped torsos, athleticism, bright glowing skin without wrinkles. Not some guy losing hair, gaining weight, face filled with saggy wrinkles, or erectile dysfunction.

[RichSD]

Funny that you call me pissed off and angry, when I've only ever had a smile the whole time I read your rants. Just because you are angry doesn't mean anyone else is. You're the only one with the problem here, not us. You don't have to be attracted to everyone, but you assume that if they're not attractive to YOU that they should just give up looking for love at all. It really sounds like you're the angry one. I didn't write the bitchy question to the world, you did. I just tried to answer it, like about 2 dozen others, and every one of them you shoot down because you don't really want the truth, you just want the world to hear how angry you are at older guys for hitting on you. Well, the good news is, they probably won't for much longer.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

statistics and research contradicts what you're saying. so how can you still insist that you're right?

[RichSD]

You're saying one thing and showing statistics that say another. Statistics usually have percentages in them, and they are not 100% or 0%. Like you keep quoting. So either use your statistics or don't.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

ok. so you're saying you met a few 20 yr old girls who are attracted to old grandpas due to daddy issues so that means most girls that age are dating their dads? i don't think so

why don't you just give up?

[RichSD]

I'd say it's appropriate for two legal adults to date at any age. You don't have to like it. We already know you don't.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Research has proven that overwhelming majority of young women aren't attracted to old men. This will remain true regardless if you like it or not. Facts will be facts.

[RichSD]

Why do you keep insisting that just because the majority likes something, that the minority should be ignored? If the number of people who believe the way you do is 90%, that's still hundreds of millions of women who disagree. You don't have to like older guys, but that's not going to stop them from being attractive to someone else. You can rant and rave all you want, but no amount of anecdotal evidence or statistics will make it possible for you to speak for everyone woman on the planet. You know what else? Some younger guys also like older women!! Guess what, it works both ways! It's not typical, it's less common for sure, but it still happens. And it's still enough that older women have every right to feel confident and attractive and hopeful about finding love. You seem to think some people should just give up and stop looking for love because they don't want the same thing you do. Be glad they don't.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

you claim that you agree with the facts but your attitude says something completely different.

saying the words that you agree while your attitude is saying you do not.

you do not speak respectfully at all to the evidence and research presented. but rather in a very disrespectful argumentative tone.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I think you have anecdotal evidence. Statistics from studying large world wide populations are not the definition of anecdotal. You might want to google what "anecdotal" evidence means.

[RichSD]

Your anecdotes about the women you personally apparently know who don't like old men are the ones I was talking about. I mentioned them seperately from the statistics, because obviously, they're opposing ideas.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

You don’t even know what an anecdote is. Anecdotal evidence is singular individual personal experiences from just a few people. It in no way encompass evaluations of large populations.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

The statistics and research I have presented are from evaluations from world wide populations, not just 3-4 women who claim to be attracted to old grandpas.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

You claim that you are not rich. But your username is richSd= rich sugar daddy

Haha what a terrible liar

[RichSD]

RichSD - Richard, South Dakota :)

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Who the hell wants a pervert who dates 18 yr old girls then dumps them by the time they hit 25?

That is a definition of a true pervert. Most men aren’t like uou

[RichSD]

You alwys put words into people's mouth to try to shame them, but you can never win the argument when you actually use the words they actually said. Maybe it's time you gave up, you haven't convinced anyone and resorting to lies about what they said isn't very convincing when anyone can just look at the logs and see that's not what I said. You've done that with other people too. Just give up the argument, at this point you have nothing to gain and you're really starting to look pathetic even at trolling.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

There was never a real argument. Because you can’t argue with facts.

Facts will be true regardless if you like it or not

[RichSD]

Ironic you would say that! Because I've been giving facts all day while all you have are your own feelings about what all other women in the world want.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Are you so old that you’re suffering from dementia? Since when have facts been feelings?

I don’t think there are any old guys out there who would stand with you and say that they become more attractive as they age. It’s just that you’re such a pervert , you can’t Imagine life without your 18 yr old prostitutes

why do you think you’re still unmarried at 51? Likely cus no woman wants you.

[RichSD]

You continually put words in my mouth and make wild assumptions, because after all, that's the only way you'd possibly make headway with your argument. I never said I didn't ever marry. I also didn't divorce. Sometimes tragic things happen to people and you have to start over.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Haha you were never married. And if you were Married, chances are you married your wife simply because she was hot at 18 then dumped her on her 30th birthday for another hot 18 yr old.

[RichSD]

Yea, dumping her is exactly what I said when I said we never divorced. Your reading comprehension is like 4th grade.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

You were never married. Quit lying. Perverts like you Can’t maintain a marriage. By the time your wife hits 30, you start developing the wandering eye. By the time she hits 40, you dump her.

From my experience, perverts who only date ladies of a certain age do not tend to ever get married in life. They just go through a series of very shallow relationships mainly based on sex and physical attraction that never seems to last for very long. Most men aren’t like you, but guys like you do exist

[RichSD]

It's gotten to where all you can do is resort to name calling now. You've long since lost, and are just wanting to get the last word. Well, too bad :)

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

This is not name calling. These are facts about you.

[RichSD]

I love how you've had nothing but "facts" for your entire argument, but the only thing they have in common is you make assumptions based on what you choose to believe, despite the fact you always have incomplete evidence. You don't know me at all personally, but you can call me a pervert. I could just as easily say you're a pervert. Heck, I don't even know if you're a female or not, you could just be a dude who is trolling everyone here. You do have kind of a rough around the edges kind way of talking, maybe you're a tom boy, but maybe you're a 70-year-old Grandpa yourself?

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

What is your point of continuing to argue? There is tremendous research that proves you wrong already. Why don’t you just give up?

[RichSD]

You've lost over and over again, you didn't come here to ask a question anyway, you came here to rant and rave because you're angry at the world. Well, obviously you will never accept any answer that isn't the one you decided ahead of time was the one you wanted to hear. Well, all you've achieved is letting the world know you're bitter and shallow and not able to hold your own in a conversation that even a 5th grader could follow. It's an easy guess why you're still single. Someday when those older men stop paying attention to you, you'll wish you weren't so judgmental. Don't worry, I'm sure it won't be long now :)

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Why won’t you stop hating? Hating on the truth won’t change the truth

[RichSD]

Hating now. Another nice new word to put in my mouth. You love to do that. Why do you even bother to write anything on this site if you don't actually read anything that's written? I don't hate you, although now I am really starting to pity you. This is really the focus of your life now, isn't it? All you can do is spend lots of time and energy hating people for getting older. And worse, if they're happy too. Well, odds are you won't be anything like us because all you'll get with all your mean spirited attitude is loneliness. You won't have to worry about whether older guys hit on you because they won't. Nobody at any age likes a shrew.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

Ohhh making fun of me is gonna change the facts.

[RichSD]

You're the one who keeps making personal attacks because you don't like the fact I don't agree with you. You've called me names multiple times. I guess the funny thing is now that you realize it doesn't bother me, you think you can gain a little bit of sympathy at the end by playing the martyr. Well guess what? Nobody else is reading this by now. And if they did, they already know you're the one who has nothing but mean evil things to say and never accepts the fact that her logic is flawed, only doubling down when you realize even other women disagree with you. Well, I don't have to say mean things about you, you already present a pretty good case with your own words. You are mean and bitchy, and I hope you're only playing it up for this site because if you're like that in real life, you really are going to find the rest of your life pretty sad and lonely. Do you really think you are more attractive just because you say someone else is less attractive? Do you think you're gonna be young (ish) forever? How would you like to hear that someone is annoyed that a woman your age is annoying because she still finds herself attractive? I am sure some people think it, but how many others do you see going around saying "Why are 30 year old women convinced any men should find them attractive?"
Sounds kinda shitty doesn't it? Well, now you know. That's the reason people don't find YOU attractive.

[RichSD]

It's not your age or theirs, it's YOUR mean spirited ways that left you single at 30.

[RichSD]

I think under the circumstances, I might just throw you the bone and let you have the last word. It's getting to where it takes too long to scroll down and see whatever reply you made. Since you haven't said anything original in a dozen replies, at this point it seems like you're just wanting attention. I'm sorry but I've lost interest.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I think YOU want the last word. Facts have already established who is the right one on here. And it’s not you, so why are you still arguing?

Boohoo... cry and throw your tantrum somewhere else

[RichSD]

Once again you say you're right when absolutely nobody agreed with you. But go on ahead :) I now see that you have literally nothing else going on in your life. I can consider this kinda like charity work I suppose. You obviously crave attention.

[Anonymous]

A LOT of old men would agree with you, including me. But that would NOT account for the UNSOLICITED young women who hit on or chase after older men. Like MANY guys out there I can confirm this. Insyead you need to start asking those women why they like older men, especially married older men!

[shaysh87]

I can guarantee you that most young women are not physically attracted to old wrinkly grandpas with saggy balls. Just take a look at marriage records! 95% of marriages are less than 10 years age gap! Women are not interested in marrying old men.

There are a lot of young men that are attracted to older women too. But they aren't common.

[Opinion Owner]

That's where I know for a fact you wrong. December-May marriages are NOT HUGELY common, BUT December-May relationships are MORE COMMON than you realize!

Might I also add that for centuries and still even today, many cultures have married off young girls to older men for a reason! What do you think that is? It is NOT for your agist reasons.

[shaysh87]

Well studies / research would say the opposite

According to Pew Research, the average age difference for most marriages all around the world range from 2-6 years age difference. It says nothing about 12-22 years age difference.

www.pewresearch.org/.../
www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

[Might I also add that for centuries and still even today, many cultures have married off young girls to older men for a reason! What do you think that is? It is NOT for your agist reasons.]

For centuries all throughout history, women DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK THEIR HUSBANDS. Historically, women were sold by their parents as a bride to their husband's family. Husband bought their wives and paid dowry to the girl's family. Historically in many cultures, WOMEN DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK THEIR HUSBANDS. It was a very patriarchal society.

[shaysh87]

500 years ago, it was men who purchased the youngest brides by paying dowry / gifts to the girl's family. This happened in the middle east, asia, eastern Europe, africa. These girls had no choice but to marry these old men. Women were seen as property, not human beings.

If you take a look at Pew Research article, you will notice that the age gaps are the biggest in countries where women are the most oppressed and restricted such as the middle east and africa. In areas where womens aren't oppressed such as US and UK, the age differences are smaller.

[RichSD]

Because some women still like older men. It's not all of them, sure, but it's some of them, and that's enough reason to be optimistic and confident. Why does this idea offend you so much?

[shaysh87]

because women actually don't like much much much older men? these aren't facts. its just what old grandpas like to delude themselves into believing just to make themselves feel better about being old and unattractive.

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

According to Pew Research, overwhelming majority of marriages around the world is 2-6 years apart.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

95% of all marriage couples are less than 10 years apart

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[shaysh87]

WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT YOUNG WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO OLD GRANDPAS?

[RichSD]

You can't speak for all women, because I guarantee you there are lots of women who seek out older men on purpose, even ones with no money. You can complain all you want about it, but the fact is, just because you have a certain type doesn't mean everyone agrees with you. Is it possible that you're feeling self-conscious about your own age so you're projecting it on others?

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

you're just saying that because you're an old man trying to make yourself feel better about looking like shit. The same way how older women still like to say that they still look great at 40.

you can't argue with facts , statistics, numbers and research. dude.

[shaysh87]

[Is it possible that you're feeling self-conscious about your own age so you're projecting it on others?]

im projecting? sounds like you're projecting. I have plenty of studies and statistics backing me up. what do you have? NOTHING!

you're just in denial because the truth hurts.

[shaysh87]

there is a BIG difference between older man such as 35 yr old man dating a 29 yr old woman vs. a 45 yr old man dating a 29 yr old woman. Women like men that are a few years older, not their fathers.

The overwhelming majority of women who like to date old men around their dad's age are women who grew up with terrible relationships with their dads. or their fathers abandoned them.

[RichSD]

Considering I'm literally dating women in their 20s on a regular basis, at least once a month, and I'm not all that rich, I figure unless I'm somehow magically different than all other guys, it happens and I have first hand knowlege.

In addition to that, there are dating sites devoted to people who prefer age gaps. This proves that your assertion that all women felt the way you did is wrong. Even if what you claim is right 90% of the time, that other 10% is plenty.

[shaysh87]

haha

do you really think that most 51 yr old men are dating women in their 20s?

I've known quite a few older women in their mid 40s who are dating men in their 20s. but do you think most men in their 20s are dating women in their 40s?

[shaysh87]

and as far as marriage records and research goes, there is absolutely nothing that indicates that large age gaps are common.

[shaysh87]

www.theknot.com/content/average-age-of-marriage

In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while male respondents married at age 33. The average age of marriage in the US therefore falls at 32 years.

[RichSD]

Maybe not most men, but then again, that's not the point is it? You just said no women ever find older men attractive, and you're wrong about that. It might be frustrating for you to hear, but your empirical evidence is only statistics and they don't add up to 100% for anyone.

Not everyone likes what you like. Sorry to be the first to tell you.

[shaysh87]

what we find attractive is entirely based on the qualities of individuals who are capable of producing the healthiest offspring. why are you more attracted to women in their 20s than 30s? because women in their 20s are more capable of producing healthy offspring.

why aren't most people attracted to fat people? because fat people are less capable of producing healthy offspring.

why are men attracted to women with large breasts and large hips? because large breasts is an indicator that she can feed her offspring. Large hips is an indicator that she has the ability to push out offspring with minimal complications.

why are women less physically attracted to old men? because old men are less capable of producing healthy offspring. sperm quality declines as a man ages.

why are women attracted to strong men? because a strong man is capable of protecting her offspring. Old men tend to be weaker than young men.

[shaysh87]

sure there are strange young women who are physically attracted to old men. but these do not make up the overwhelming majority of the population.

sure there are men who are attracted to fat women. (they do exist!) but they do not encompass the overwhelming majority of the male population.

but the reality is, the typical girl who dates much much much older men tend to be someone who had a bad relationship with her father while she was growing up or grew up without a father.

[RichSD]

You say "women actually don't like" but you aren't representative of all women. You don't like some things, but that doesn't mean every woman agrees with you. Just like not all men agree with me, but I never made the claim I can speak for everyone in my gender, that's what YOU did.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

there are many men like older women. I've known quite a few older women in their 40s that are dating or having sex with young guys in their 20s. how can you say that older women are unattractive? you can't speak on behalf of the entire male gender

[Fireguy17]

if it is an old guy with money yes.
If it is an old guy with 2 failed marriages, lousy job, no money then no not so much.

[fred_durst]

there are tons of women with daddy issues nowadays.
if you find those men are not attractive , then you are just 1% of whole female population

[shaysh87]

Marriage records show that 95% of women are marrying men less than 10 years older than them. wanna see?

[notwoke]

this is the woman fucks her way through her 20's thinking no man meets her standards and then wakes up at 35 and can't figure out why she has no options. One day she won't be able to comprehend that men her age date younger more attractive women.

To answer your question though, most women are more interested in the looks of his wallet, not his hair, this becomes especially true right about your age.

[shaysh87]

Marriage records show the opposite. Studies show that women like to marry men 3.5 years older than them on average

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

Across religions and regions, women are younger than their male partners
Muslims have the widest spousal age gap (6.6 years between men and their wives or partners), followed by Hindus (5.6 years), Christians (3.8), Buddhists (2.9), the religiously unaffiliated (2.3) and Jews (2.1).

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[notwoke]

and most women get married in their early to mid 20's

[shaysh87]

In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while male respondents married at age 33. Presumably, it's the average age of the first marriage for the majority of participants, and this number is influenced by a variety of factors.

www.theknot.com/content/average-age-of-marriage

[shaysh87]

For The First Time Ever, Women in Their 30s Are Having More Babies Than 20-Somethings

www.sciencealert.com/for-the-first-time-ever-women-in-their-30s-are-having-more-babies-than-20-somethings

[notwoke]

I respect your data, but you have to think that those couples formed much earlier

[shaysh87]

This data is summarizes all marriage records of women of all ages getting married. This is not only records of young women getting married

[msc545]

A balding wrinkly old guy with saggy balls and a shit ton of money can be very attractive to women.

[shaysh87]

the money is attractive, he isn't. and he never will be.

[msc545]

You need him to get the money.

[shaysh87]

doesn't mean I find him attractive, AT ALL.

[shaysh87]

more like prostitution.

[msc545]

yes...

[888theGreat]

because younger guys don't have experience , abuse women more than older guys, and also tend to be self centered.

[shaysh87]

women tend to like older guys a few years older not 10-20 years older. Just take a look at marriage statistics. Young women aren't marrying old men.

[888theGreat]

Women do nothing but complain about young guys here. Young guys act feminine

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[shaysh87]

According to Pew Research, overwhelming majority of the world's marriages are under 10 years apart.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

95% of all marriages are less than 10 years apart.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[Anonymous]

I think you are just focusing on physical attractiveness, but the other things that make men desirable to women really start to kick in at around 30 and continue to increase from there. Single men in their 30s and 40s are very desirable to women because they are more mature and stable and tend to be more financially attractive too. The opposite is true for women, whose desirability begins to decline in their late 20s.

[shaysh87]

men in their 30s are not the same as men in their 40s. Men are still physically attractive until their mid 30s. A large majority of women are not attracted to men in their 40s.

[shaysh87]

Women aren't marrying much older men. Just take a look at research:

[shaysh87]

Across religions and regions, women are younger than their male partners
Muslims have the widest spousal age gap (6.6 years between men and their wives or partners), followed by Hindus (5.6 years), Christians (3.8), Buddhists (2.9), the religiously unaffiliated (2.3) and Jews (2.1).

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[shaysh87]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[Opinion Owner]

Men are most attracted to those who are capable of producing the healthiest offspring.

Women are most attracted to those who can provide for and protect their offspring.

[Anonymous]

Because women are really only interested in money and status. And an older more established guy is likely to have that

[shaysh87]

it doesn't happen though. Studies have proven that most young women do not marry much older men. Average age gap in the US is 3.5 years.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course not. You don't need to be married to be a sugar daddy. I mean look at Donald Sterling. He knew what the score was. He knew she was only with him for the money. He knew she was going to shut around with guys her age. He only asked that she didn't do it really high profile because it made a mockery of him. Lol

[shaysh87]

it still doesn't make him attractive. donald trump's prostitute wife wouldn't even sleep in the same room as him.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't know what you think you're telling me @shaysh87. That women are dishonest? Check! knew that. She doesn't have to be interested in him and it's not really necessary that she be. Just that she pretends to be. Because all she is is another ho. They're a dime a dozen. She only need act the part in public. Melania knows that.

[shaysh87]

nahh.. its just that old grandpas can't stand being told they're not attractive anymore so they like to buy girlfriends that are 30 years younger than them , then lie to themselves that these girls are attracted to him.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course their old doesn't change the fact that a ho is a ho.

[shaysh87]

everyone is a ho , nowadays.

[RichSD]

She asked the question because she wants to provoke older guys that she's mad at, because we're having an easier time in later life finding relationships than she does. Maybe 10% of older guys will still have women half their age finding them interesting, whereas that's a lot smaller percentage for women. It's not fair, but it's reality.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I don't find old grandpas or fat old uncles to be attractive. Neither do any of my female friends. None of us are dating our dads. haha

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

almost all the girls around my age are dating guys 2-8 years older. Not 12-18 years older like you enjoy pretending.

[RichSD]

"Almost all" is the key phrase there. I didn't say all women did I? I said like 10%. That's more than enough. Besides, I doubt your little circle of friends is very big, you don't sound like someone with people skills.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

listen dude, the number of young women attracted to grandpas or old fat uncles is almost the same number of men who are attracted to fat women.

so you can quit acting as if its extremely common for young women to be attracted to old grandpas.

Relationships comprised of young women dating their dads are usually very short lived and predominately about sex. Because these girls have absolutely nothing in common with you.
As you can see, women aren't even interested in marrying men much much older than them. 95% of all marriages are less than 10 years age gap.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

you accuse me of being wrong or lying. but FACTS back me up 100%.

[Anonymous]

Soon your face will be looking really beat up with wrinkles, and you will have sagging wrinkly tits and fat ass and no younger guy or older guy will want you, you will be a cat lady soon.

[shaysh87]

single women can have kids. single men can't. so single women are never lonely

[Opinion Owner]

Blah blah blah

[shaysh87]

im sorry sir. but most men at your age are already wrinkly. thankfully, i am not

[Opinion Owner]

Maybe a lot but not all. If you saw my picture you would see that I look like I'm 30, no one believes me when I tell them my age and that's why younger women are always approaching me because I'm tall and strong. I know you want to insult me but it didn't work because I know who I am. Good luck in finding a husband with your mindset. I won't argue with you, good luck.

[shaysh87]

Marriage records show that 95% of women end up marrying men less than 10 years older than them. Want to see? I can show it to you.

[RichSD]

She's having a midlife crisis from the sound of it, angry that anyone dare try to stay in the dating game when she's failing at it. Yes, at 30, women have a really hard time finding anyone into them. That's life, it sucks, but it's true. Men have an easier time of it, because we can still continue having kids all our lives. Maybe it's not a good idea, but it's still possible. She's now realizing that guys her own age are no longer into her, and angry that the only ones left are older men. But she'll be lucky if any guys are ever into her at all, with her attitude. Even guys my age tend to be less than enthusiastic about a woman in her 30s. It is a terrible unfair advantage guys have in life. But women outlive us, so I guess in the end they win ;)

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I'm actually 26. No where close to a mid life crisis.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I'm pretty sure your face is more wrinkled than a 32 yr old woman's.

[RichSD]

I'm sure I'm more wrinkled than you, but that's apparently not stopping me from getting dates. And with women who want a serious relationship. But what's stopping you from getting dates? Your poisonous, mean attitude.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

I think your attitude is poison.

Because reality is, a woman can still look fairly attractive until her mid 30s, if well maintained. 95% of all the men that I dated have said that they would have no problem going for a woman who was 30 years old.

the average age of marriage for a woman is 31. If women in their 30s were so unattractive, then why isn't the average age of marriage for a woman much lower? such as 25?

[RichSD]

I'm glad you asked the right 95% then. But if you asked everyone in the world, you would find the percentage is a LOT lower. I wouldn't even date a 30-year-old now, let alone when I was in my 30s. But it has a lot to do with the fact they can have kids, not because of their lack of wrinkles or gray hair. Your biological clock goes off a lot sooner than it does for men and we all know it.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

because you're a pervert. you're the type of guys who only dates women in their 20s then you dump them the day they turn 30. These types of guys do exist! but most men aren't perverted like you.

a man who only dates teenage girls will only dump her when she reaches womanhood.

what would you have in common with someone that could be your daughters age? your maturity levels are completely different, completely different stages of life, completely different perspectives of life due to vast gaps in life experience.

you're not looking for love, you're just looking for a hot body to bang until it runs out.
Love is mental / emotional. Sex is about youth.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

statistics do not show that most men date / marry women 20 years younger. Just because you do, it doesn't mean most men do.

[Anonymous]

It's called dementia your brain is literally developing holes in it

[LegendaryIcon]

cause they often do

idiot

get off your high horse

[LegendaryIcon]

your status update and mHO, are complete bullshit. and you know it

[Anonymous]

I think women like the experience and stability older men can offer. That is attractive.

[shaysh87]

but how do you kiss someone that you do not want to look at?

[Opinion Owner]

They aren't ugly. Older men can still be handsome.

[shaysh87]

most of them aren't handsome at all. why go for old guy if you can go for a hot young one?

[Opinion Owner]

I dont find younger men as attractive.

[shaysh87]

so you find bald spots, wrinkles, saggy balls, muscle weakness to be attractive?

[Opinion Owner]

This is clearly going no where lol.

[shaysh87]

I'm 26 and I like older guys too. But like 5-7 years older. I don't find guys in their late 30s -40s to be attractive.

[Opinion Owner]

They probably wouldn't find you attractive either.

[shaysh87]

you've never seen me so why would you make such assumptions? are you mad?

[Opinion Owner]

Cause you're so bitter about it. Figure there's gotta be something there lol.

[shaysh87]

I'm not bitter at all. You just seem passive aggressive.

[shaysh87]

I was never nasty to you. Can't understand why you're speaking to me that way

[Opinion Owner]

Ok this is clearly a troll
I'm out.

[shaysh87]

you're just offended that you go to senior homes to find dates.

[shaysh87]

thats why you're trying to cause trouble here.

[RichSD]

Even when other women tell her she's wrong, she insists that she speaks for all women.

[shaysh87]

@RichSD

you shit your pants and can't handle it when I tell you that most young women aren't attracted to old grandpas (along with evidence).

But you love prancing around and claiming that 30 yr old women are unattractive.

I can confidently say that a 30 yr old woman's marriage prospects are much higher than that of a 51 yr old mans. You're 51, far , far, far from the ideal age to have children.