I am 63, I do spend a bit of time sitting in bars. As I am looking through my 63-year-old eyes I honestly don't see that many attractive females. I see 4 types of women in bars. The first types are the ones with pink mohawks, nose rings, and full body tats. Then I see 35+ women sitting at the bar about half the time either alone or with other post-wall woman. I also see women out with friends male and female playing pool or darts and just enjoying the atmosphere. I said 4 types and have only spoken about 3 so far. Yes, this leads me to the last group. These are the woman that knows they are high-value women and won't give you the time of day unless you are driving a car worth 6 figures, stand at least 6 feet, and have at least 6 inches of equipment. Most of the time they are 18 - 28. These women are the ones that most of the time leave the bar alone or with other female friends. My favorite females are the 3rd group I mentioned. They are the most fun to be around. The other 3 types I really don't care to be near or around!
This whole question needs a major paradigm shift. Thanks for asking it, it will be interesting to see all the different answers, but for one it's very vague. What does it mean to "rule"? To be in power? To have success? To be happy? I'm not sure how anyone else sees it, but to me the "dating thing" is a big pile of doo doo at this point, and I wouldn't want to be "ruling over" it. It's mostly down to mobile device syndrome or whatever you call our society of phone staring zombies wanting instant gratification and putting zero effort forth.
I believe, regardless of gender, a person who has focus, passion, and dedication can be very successful in dating. Upon reflection, I acknowledge that almost every woman I've ever dated or been some way romantically involved with was a result of one or both of us having and expressing interest in the other. It's very engaging to have someone paying attention to you, focused on you, asking you questions and interested in you. What I'm saying is more or less that's all you have to do to get someone's attention: give them some of yours. How much? Now that can be the tricky part as you give too much and you can push them away just as easily as they will drift away if you don't give them enough.
But this is the formula for pre-mobile device syndrome (not a real syndrome as far as I know, but you know what I'm talking about). Now that simple to follow recipe for love is all shot to hell because we have all this fake attention coming out of our phones in the form of heart and thumbs up emoticons, tips on the only fans, followers and influencers and just randoms. This is quantity in a flood like state, of low quality, but it still releases those chemical neurotransmitter releases that get you addicted.
TLDR: no one is winning, except those who are getting away from their electronics and into organic interactions.
The answer is there is nothing to do with gender. There must be gold digger women but there are gold digger men too. There may be rich men but there are women too who became rich form their hard work. Not all women are bad or all men are good or not all men are bad but all women are good. She to one person the whole community doesn't becomes bad. Just like All men aren't same, All women also not same. Gender has nothing to do with anything except the fact that men are physically more strong than women. There is nothing more. Don't judge anyone for such things.
If you mean rule, like I get to order you around as if I'm your queen and you must obey?
Nope I don't rule over anyone, sure some places women have advantageous but there is always someone to date. Keep in mind your potential dating pool though, can shrink due to things beyond your control and a lot of things within your control but once you've done things to shrink it, intentionally or not you cannot increase easily without lowering your standards.
There are a lot of average women out there with children that would love a man to date.
Men are still the one's doing all the work in dating while women just sit back and swipe them away. Us being in lower numbers today doesn't mean much. Maybe if there are twice as many women as men, then maybe but currently we are not that outnumbered.
Haha no! Shift your thinking, its all about confidence and approach and how your engage, its about the subtle ques and the body language, its about your ability to hold a conversation with meaning whilst actually listening
Honestly 99.9% of guys I know, haven't the slightest clue on how to actively engage with a female in the dating scene let alone one their genuinely interested in and that's off putting for any female, I quite literally played wingman very recently and saw this first hand!!
Its the balance of being assertive yet not over bearing, attentive yet not too inquisitive, create mystery but give and take, its not a game its an exchange!
Now females do choose who they want to be with, and you won't always be successful but confidence and the ability to hold a conversation and read ques, shift the entire game in your favor
If a guy is a nice guy and fits her needs long term. Then he has as much control in if things go well or not.
The only part I can kind of see where they rule is in starting a new dating or relationship. Online dating and meeting in person is a huge advantage to women but it is not their fault that so many men sign up when so few women do. That is caused entirely by men using women.
Especially since so many men lie and say they want long term, but all they want is sex. Imagine being her and having a few losers who lie and waste her time, it will reduce her trust of online dating.
I have a few nieces who will not do online dating and are single and cannot find decent men, and may end up single forever as a result.
My opinion is neopagan religiously-based. EVERY born female is invested as a potential 'Avatar' of the archetypical 'Divine' feminine. For One's inherited genes to move forward vivably, SHE controls "the ONLY game in town" and largely "ON HER TERMS" as IT SHOULD be, ... since its HER physique which LITERALLY is largely consumed in the 'growing' of another human being!
Prudish societal hypocrisy promulgates the pseudo-paradigm of the "good girl". Real world life observation & experience strips BARE that paradoxical hypocrisy.
MANY of those 'Trans' whom envy... and ALL those whom externally Machiavellian-ly MIMIC feminine allure... as cross-dressing Impersonators / lady-boys DESIRE to BE... the 'object' desire' of male attentions to be 'courted' by Suitors~
It takes two to make it through dating to a working relationship. If it doesn’t intentions weren’t clear or behavior was. You can sit and play the bitter blame game all you want or improve yourself and get out there again. Positivity is far more attractive than arrogance and or misery.
Yup. Women are the ones who decide whether a relationship is going to go forward or not. Because if they don't want it to they'll use their female privilege to prevent the guy from ever attempting to form a relationship with her again. Especially if she considers the guy to be either ugly or just a friend. It's like they freak out thinking the guy isn't gonna giv up on his attempt to start a relationship and assume that the only way to stop him is by ruining his reputation.
The entire dating? No, but a big part of it yeah, not sure if more then half or not.. A woman has to like the guy to even talk to him in the first place. The girl accepts the guys advances and after that it gets complicated...
So in the beginning the woman has to be impressed by him in some way. (it can be anything) Social media makes this part very hard nowadays in my opinion for a lot of young men (probably not just young men, but mostly them, because they don't have the money yet..) It's hard to find a girl whos views is not ruined by social media, or just the media.. even movies can do this.
Who can tell the difference anymore, most men who remember how a woman use to be are dead. I am definitely not a prude, nor believe anyone should control anyone in a marriage, but I love being a woman, cooking, decorating, looking good for my husband, treating him good and 31 years later better than ever. I would not want a woos for a husband he is 100 percent man and I am 100 percent female and love it that way.
Lol when men find out that having a penis and money doesn’t make them special… truth is there is always someone. The lower your standard the bigger the dating pool.
@ImRetarded as a different representative, I think you should google "pregnancy".
Women are not inherently good or bad, but I think there's more great women out there than terrible ones. Even the terrible ones are mostly just in pain and need a little healing. As for ruling... "the entire dating thing" is a fubar'd dystopian nightmare, so whoever wants to wear that crown of shit be my guest.
Girls use OnlyFans today who are even married and or have boyfriends. So technically those women are using a guys penis and horny thoughts for money. The days of good hearted women are over, just like chivalry is dead.
@Subarugirl what demand? It’s immoral? I just said girls are married or have bfs and they do only fans to get money off her body. What can’t you comprehend? If a guy said let me see your body half naked for $100. If you said sure that’s dumb. I’ve had girls who wanted one night stands with me and wanted dick pics, I didn’t comply or listen or cater to their needs and stopped talking to them. I have self worth in myself. Stop pinpointing this male vs female narrative yo. I didn’t say all women are gold diggers. But there are women who act indecent because they don’t have values or come from broken homes n etc. if I wanted to be a player, take advantage of women and stomp on peoples throats in the political game as a lobbyist or someone in politics…Oh trust me I could have but I wouldn’t do that. If you @Subarugirl want to yell at me or laugh at me or make a close minded assumption about me go ahead. But God is watching and I care more about what God thinks then what you think. I know you will argue @Subarugirl if you’re married then do married couple stuff. If I was married I wouldn’t waste my time on GAG.
@pass_the_celery98 lol the thing is, I don’t believe in god, certainly not a god who ordered the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of men women and children. You’re free to believe in what ever you want, but you don’t have the right to do is shove your antiquated, patriarchal, moral superiority down people throats. If you really want to spread the “good news” make sure you’re including the whole story.
All I said was I believe in God, who's shoving down religion your throat? You said stuff about guys and to me which is based off your assumption. I can prove God exists, I mean you celebrate Christmas, what does Christmas represent? Lame parties, ugly sweaters and gifts? No it should represent the birth of Jesus which is a separate convo itself. Point is as a guy I will stand up for guys/men. When girls or women on GAG read this they automatically, emphasis on (automatic) assume that guys will support inequality in pay, backwards thinking of stay at home moms, rape and other shit. Well, for the record, I don't support injustice and assault.
@pass_the_celery98 hon Christmas was originally Saturnalia, a pagan holiday that predates Christ. Christmas didn’t even become a thing until 336AD. You’re using your biblical beliefs to apply your morals into other people. As a Christian you are called to live as Christ lived, last I checked Jesus showed love and kindness to sex workers. He didn’t celebrate his birthday (which by the way is also a pagan tradition). And you can’t prove that God exist any more than you could prove that pagan deities exist. You have a book, that’s was a random mix of authors, written thousands of years ago and retranslated and edited so many times that you can’t even be sure of what really means.
In 1945, 52 papyrus manuscripts were discovered at Nag Hammadi in Egypt. Some of the books were titled “Gospels.” These writings date from the second to fourth centuries AD. Scholars have known of their existence since the time they were written, but until 1945 the books were assumed forever lost. Their rediscovery caused much controversy and speculation. Upon reading the documents, skeptics charged that the early church lied about Jesus and suppressed the books that told His true story.
@pass_the_celery98 The most shocking of the apocryphal writings is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. It includes a story in which the child Jesus calls another child an “unrighteous, irreverent idiot” (3:1-3). It features stories in which young Jesus strikes other children dead for offenses like bumping into him (4:1-2; see also 14:3). Popular gnostic writings include the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Judas. In the latter, Jesus invites Judas to betray him. The Gospel of Thomas is even more scandalous. “Simon Peter said to them, ‘Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.’ Jesus said, ‘I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’” (Saying 114). Both quotations fit with the gnostic worldview but clash badly with the biblical one.
The apocryphal and gnostic gospels were not lost to the early church; rather, early Christians knew about and rejected them.
See you're going off on the holiday of Christmas when I said (which I won't get into). That's a debate on the side of itself. Christian and Muslim scholars both state Jesus was not born on Dec 25th. You don't think I understand Paganism? I've watched videos about what Christmas represents. But if people say its the birth of Christ, well then that's where the world is torn. But I can sit here and say you're shoving your beliefs down my throat. I gotta say, if I was ever married I wouldn't waste this much time on GAG or at all.
@pass_the_celery98 the thing is that I’m not stating opinions, I’m talking about historical fact. If you ever get married you’re realize there is a lot that you don’t know yet, that is an opinion.
well if i ever get married the girl i get married to has to be a believer in God and give a shit about her education and when i do i sure as hell am not wasting my time on this site.
When did I say social media is fine? Why are you making assumptions. Seriously for a “married” woman you sure have a lot of “time” on your hands. Do something practical with your life instead of making blanket statements and assumptions. Unless this turns you on? Sorry bruh I don’t swing that way, I don’t want to tickle anyways weird “high complex assumption” theories on GAG. I’m not responding beyond this.
passthecelery: " I can prove God exists, I mean you celebrate Christmas, what does Christmas represent?" also passthecelery: "you're going off on the holiday of Christmas..."
lol
So Christmas proves the existence of God until historical evidence shows it has nothing to do with christian god, then whoever brought it up is "going off" XD
They could be. They certainly have the leverage. But they don't use it. They're still getting used and getting their hearts broken. Third and Fourth Wave Feminism has failed them. If Feminism was an actual entity and not just an idea, I would advise young women as a class to bring a lawsuit against it. They would be entitled to serious damages.
I once date beautiful looking Indian girl, she was only interested in my money! She wanted to go abroad and live there, of course, all on my money! I was the apple of her eyes until she found a better 'deal' !
Not at all. If that was the case then GAG’s would’ve had less questions about “Why doesn’t he call me back?” “He said he enjoyed or date what happened?” It’s a no for me.
If women are chasing men who other women want it makes sense. They're probably worried because that guy is what they view as a high value man. I might be wrong, but women don't seem to care about reading the signs with guys they're not interested in.
I'm not saying men don't do it either. We see it all the time, I don't think women are any more morally superior or better judges of character than men are.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Women do not rule over the entire dating thing, men are just simps that have low standards. Women can only select the men that want to be selected and vice versa. In any case, with the rock bottom quality on offer on both sides, I wouldn't say anyone was 'one of the blessed' anything...
"Unless if you are rich maybe or one of the blessed top 20% of men." Exactly. Women dont rule, its the top men who rule. I say this as my 19 yo girlfriend is cooking me dinner and asking me if i think she's ready to meet the other girl i just started dating. Lol.
lol, hell no. you just want a victoria's secret model. just lower your standards from Barbie to Cinderella and you should find love pretty quickly. anyways, many women's "beauty" can be wiped off with a wet wipe.
@DianaWest you shouldn’t assume the asker is asking for a Barbie model. That’s just closed minded. A lot of guys actually don’t want a girlfriend or wife like that. The guys who do will only use their money or status to live a pretend life for social media to flaunt to others. But guys who have a real heart just want a girl he can connect with and he finds beautiful in his eyes. I know a guy who had pictures of WWF female wrestlers like Torrie Wilson, Trish Stratus, Lita, and others pinned up in his room. He eventually met the right girl and told me he tossed out all those magazines. My friend wasn’t searching for some bikini babe 👙 model with DD breasts. Women and girls have to stop with this “this is what all guys want narrative”. Look what the media portrays with a man’s physique or woman’s physique. If you want to blame something, blame the media. Should I say all women want a huge cock in some dudes shorts, with 6 pack abs, beautiful luscious hair and extremely handsome? Is that fair. Both genders need to wake up and stop assuming shit about each other.
@pass_the_celery98 yeah, maybe you should tell the asker not to assume that women have it so easy in the "dating thing." we have to meet a lot of frogs before we meet "the one."
Women get to makeup all the rules on dating and are still choosing to date shitty men. That’s like inheriting a million dollars and spending all of it at the dollar general.
What do you think? The most attractive 20% of men all have five girlfriends? If you can't get a date, it's because your approach is putting them off. Do you have any female friends? Any unrelated women you greet by name when you see them?
I am in the top 2.7% of men in the USA when considering height, income, health, never doing drugs, never being in jail, and not having kids already.
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My boyfriend is rich and I still get very upset and angry and i vent it out. It's been 2 years of him tolerating me and visa versa hahahah, but he never vents. He just don't talk and i talk. Lol that's the difference
I think that depends entirely on the perspective of why you date and what you date for. Of course it's out of your control if someone reciprocates your desire or not, I think that goes both ways tho.
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Women are finding that guys are not approaching them as much as they do not like what they see, women today out a bars and clubs run in packs are loud and boorish and no longer act feminine they act like guys, and why would any guy want to date a woman who acts like them? Women think they control dating but its men who control whether there is a relationship or not.
I like independent women who can roll with the guys. But "approaching them" is a different style with the woman who is also your bro. It's more friends to lovers and not usually a good idea to just walk up to her and try some line without knowing her, because she is going to find that corny the same way all her bros will lol. Then they laugh about you when you're gone. Maybe bro up, buy her a beer and play some pool with her would be a better option.
Most women don't need a super good looking guy or a rich guy, they just generally have a minimal standard: don't be a loser. Even then, you can find women who like losers.
I've been single more often than not, and the guys I've dated were hardly in the top 20 percent of men.
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the whole dating game has been terrible for some time, unless your good looking and have a high paying jobs , the prospects are dismal and even when i was employed full time and such i'd still get rejected for no sensible reason by these girls
I once date beautiful looking Indian girl, she was only interested in my money! She wanted to go abroad and live there, of course, all on my money! I was the apple of her eyes until she found a better 'deal' !
There's a dating war going men vs Feminist Women That's the reason men don't date women anymore And it's a battle of wills between men and women The longer it goes, the worst it gets for women In the end men will win the war
Honestly a lot of men seem to think relationships are pointless due to women. Women seem to no longer be interested in men do to them being horny all the time so who knows
@Robertfootball Crap select crap. I once date beautiful looking Indian girl, she was only interested in my money! She wanted to go abroad and live there, of course, all on my money! I was the apple of her eyes until she found a better 'deal' !
@Robertfootball it's not "crap men", it's submissive men and desperate men. That's all that's left to select, after the dominant men have made their decisions. They aren't inherently bad, they just have different traits that admittedly most women don't enjoy. So you could say they are rulers, but only of a certain percentage of the population.
@MzAsh in my humble opinion it's more about personality/attitude than fame and wealth. There are rich and famous people out there who can't find or keep and nurture real love. There are broke as folks living the dream romantically. But when I say personality, a lot of people (mostly men, I think) get confused and think aggression is the same thing as dominance, that being an asshole somehow gives you power when it's the opposite. People leave you alone not because you're so powerful, it's because you're being toxic lol.
I don't know, just my two cents and my experiences. Love is easy to get when you give it; I have found my "secret". I don't think the answer is being a celebrity, since I'm not. I haven't even been rich (other than because I am living in a first world country) most of my life.
Thank you for clarifying. I know what a lot of men mean when they say dominance and it usually refers to wealth, looks, status, and aggression. It’s nice to hear of someone who factors personality and attitude into the idea.
@MzAsh to me a truly balanced person gives what others are so desperate for because they realize these things come from within and can be given freely. Empowering others, giving love to others. The misers are the ones who grasp at straws and starve metaphorically.
The difference between women these days And back in the old days Women these days aren't as mature And think they can have it all without a man That's the joke
I think women today are trying to figure things out. I don’t think there’s really all that much from the old days to aspire to, at least not for women in relationships with men. We’ve been needing a new arrangement, badly.
Women may be the selectors but you know what it takes two to tango. I would rather be single then force myself to be with a girl and drop what I believe in.
Lol, no. There’s a good portion of women who want to date. The messages are annoying and unwanted. It’s nice to hear it from someone you love, not random creeps on the internet. Im speaking for myself, I don't know about others though.
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