Guys, is virginity attractive? (Page 4)

[NoUsernameSelected]

When I'm over 30, I wouldn't want a virgin.

At the moment, I don't care if she is a virgin or not.

[SenseiSeptred]

It is equally attractive for both genders. Honestly in the situation that you mentioned, I would pull them together to ask how they would feel about a polyamorous relationship. That is why your voting options are not complete.

[Asker]

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[ElvenMr]

Yea, to some extent. But i'm not like those people who only want to date virgins. It's a plus for sure, but it's not everything.

[torossia1171]

I only want a girlfriend who's a virgin and older than me, if she's not a virgin she could have herpes

[litty]

My first was a virgin. She was in so much pain. It took about 3 to 4 times before she could enjoy it without feeling ripped apart. I do like that I was her first because everyone remembers their first.

[Sparkie460]

It doesn't matter to me if they are a Virgin or not. I'd go with the one that had the best personality, eyes , smile and compatibility.

[IsoUser]

Girls you should thank your lucky stars that they don't slice you're entire clitoris off with a knife or piece of glass if you're lucky a surgeons knife. Be well informed as family's bring in monsters that do this Procedure.

[Asker]

Why so explicit you have now traumatized me...

[IsoUser]

How else do you expect me to describe Female Mutilation? Are You Freaking Serious?

[Asker]

just saying female mutilation would have been sufficient when people talk about sex for example they just say sex they don't say oh the vagina opening and the penis...

[bamesjond0069]

Virginity is HIGHLY attractive. Its ultra important for serious long term relationships. Unfortunately once you're out of high school good luck finding any to date. Thus why you have so many fuck boys.

[bamesjond0069]

From your update: "shouldn't you get what you give, it's not fair"... you're missing the obvious... men and women are not the same. Nothing makes sense if you compare them the same. Why do women vastly require men to make more money than them? Be stronger than them? Be braver than them? Etc. Its stupid to compare men and women.

Fact of the matter is I've slept around a ton and therefore i have options and i choose virgins for serious and discard non virgins when im done with them. Who i slept with is irrelevant.

Just as a womans job is irrelevant. She can and should require a man make a certain income. A doctor doesn't get more say than a waitress. They get as much say as their options allow for.

[Asker]

you are going to reap what you sow by allowing yourself to have such a high body count, having sex with a whole lot of people is very detrimental, and the impact of what you have allowed yourself to do is going to manifest itself in your life. Are you religious?

[bamesjond0069]

I am religious. I think its morally wrong to marry a non virgin. I can admit i have flaws but its not relevant because a man who sleeps around is not anything like a woman who sleeps around. That is the worst of the worst for women but not for men.

[bamesjond0069]

I am a Christian and the Bible clearly states numerous times that men may have multiple wives. So clearly simply having sex with more than one woman is good in some instances. Where its not ever in the reverse. In fact its talked about specifically about female virginity.

[Asker]

No hun all sins are the same, regardless of if whether you are a men or a woman, that's like saying murderers are better if their men and worse if their women. A wrong is a wrong. You having such a high body count is not good at all you better ask your God to cleanse you and forgive you because its bad even if you were are woman it would be bad, and it will definitely impact your life unless if you turn to your God and then never ever do it again!. If you are Christian you have an advantage, repent to the Lord and ask Jesús to wash away your sins with his holy blood, then after that never do it again save yourself for marriage, save and protect yourself from sin. For your own sake!.

[bamesjond0069]

I am a Christian and the Bible clearly states numerous times that men may have multiple wives. So clearly simply having sex with more than one woman is good in some instances. Where its not ever in the reverse. In fact its talked about specifically about female virginity. Repost.

[Asker]

the bible stated that men had numerous wives before God gave them the law through Moses, according to the law, you are sinning if you have sex before marriage and you are sinning if you have multiple sex partners and it works the same way for both genders.

[Asker]

you sound like you have never finished reading the bible on your own, hun you need to seek God please start taking your religion seriously, read the whole bible until you are able to recite it do this for your own sake, Listen to bible teachings online, seek God and Jesus!, for your own sake!

[bamesjond0069]

"the bible stated that men had numerous wives before God gave them the law through Moses, according to the law, you are sinning if you have sex before marriage and you are sinning if you have multiple sex partners and it works the same way for both genders."

Would love a source. People with your view always say this sort of thing but don't have much scripture to go on. And while i agree premarital sex is a sin, today in the united states of Sodom and i hear in the European union of gommorah, its not quite as simple as you say. Nor is marriage of the law equal to marriage of the Bible. there's many issues. In fact to simply follow the most basic definition of the words, one goes against Genesis, due to the nature of our godless government and populous here in america anyways. Where men are to rule over their wifes desires, they then sign a legal document the wife rules over them. How backwards? So navigating this environment as a fallen man ofc i sin. Yet back to the point, men may take multiple wives as evidenced by many passages throughout the OT and some evidence in the NT.

[Asker]

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[Asker]

If you marry you don't have to do it legally, just marry your wife in a church before God and leave the legal system out of it. that way the law won't be involved in your marriage and only God will be involved in your marriage, problem solved.

[Asker]

You may not get recgnused as being married because you did not sign any papers and you don't have a marriage certificate but all that is just worldly stuff, if you hold a marriage ceremony before God and say your vows then you are married and God will recognize your marriage, you can even wear rings to show the world that y'all are off the market, after this you and your partner can then decide amongst yourselves how you will handle your finances etc and y'all can live together and be husband and wife.

[Asker]

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[bamesjond0069]

We agree about legal marriage so props there. But the arguments against polygyny are not compelling at all.

For example: "Polygamy was practiced by several Old Testament men, most notably King David and King Solomon. But God did not approve." And quotes Deuteronomy 17:17 which on its own appears to offer evidence of your point however if you read the entire section starting at 17:14 it clearly is not any evidence at all against multiple wives BUT ACTUALLY IS EVIDENCE FOR the practice of multiple wives. It only condemns a King or ruler from "multiplying" in "great numbers" not 2 or 3 but more like hundreds. This is purposely deceptive, i would highly suggest not trusting anyone as a source who would put this argument forth.

The other points are just as flawed and only stand in a vacuum. If you dont read the Bible for yourself you would assume only one wife was allowed but its blatantly and obviously allowed if one reads the Bible for the information and not carefully selected snippets on the internet.

Also Jesus parable of the bridesmaids is a story from his mouth about a polygyny marriage and its not judged either bad or good. Only the brides to be are judged. Ofc this is a parable about Jesus however where is his parable comparing himself as a gay or murderer? I missed those ones. Nowhere is it judged as bad anywhere in the entire Bible. Some things have no moral quality. This is one of them. Its not mandatory or good or bad or not allowed. Its just something some people do, the end. Even Ephesians 5:25 love your wife like Christ loved the church. Jesus is one and the church consists of many. That is how one practicing polygyny should love his wife! Many other examples from many parts of the Bible. Id have to write a book!

[Asker]

@bamesjond0069, polygamy is a sin, but you and all humans will have the chance to face Jesus when he returns to judge all our sins, and he will tell us all who was right and who was wrong regarding polygamy but I am 100 percent sure that polygamy is a sin therefore I will stay away from it and encourage others who ask me to do the same, but The one who has all the correct answers is Jesus and he will tell you and I if whether polygamy is wrong or right on judgement day, see you there!.

[Asker]

Deuteronomy 17:17, 17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold, I would stay away from polygamy if I were you, even if you think about it logically it sounds completely wrong, God made one Eve for one Adam, if polygamy was right, he would have made Adam 2 wives, God even said that A man and a woman who come together in marriage become one flesh, he said A man which means one man and he said A woman which means one woman he did not say anything at all about A man who marries 2 or more wives being one flesh with them, if you look at all the bible scriptures after Moses, Exodus, all the men who worshipped and loved God had only one wife, but do as you please, Jesus will be here soon and he will tell you the truth.

[Asker]

out of those 10 brides the man would only select one to marry, if you read the book of Esther the king divorced his wife before marrying only one wife and he selected only one wife amongst many other women. literally no man who was a true believer in God, in the bible had multiple wives all the married man only had one wife, after Moses passed on Gods Laws to the Israelites.

[bamesjond0069]

"polygamy is a sin" certainly not in the 10 commandments or any other place with an obvious list of sins.

"Deuteronomy 17:17" you're purposely misquoting. I told you the context is important start at 17:14. This shows you're more interested in your view than Gods word. Very sad. This passage offers clear support so no wonder you're going to lie about it and try and use it falsely.

"all the men who worshipped and loved God had only one wife" using your own argument the Bible says things as they were not ought to be. This is irrelevant per you.

Everything else you said is the same logic. You already refuted yourself. Either say examples from the Bible are legit or they aren't. It can't be both.

[Asker]

YOU ARE MIS-QUOTING ME I SAID: ALL THE MEN WHO LOVED AND WORSHIPED GOD HAD ONLY ONE WIFE AFTER MOSES PASSED ON THE LAW SO AFTER THE EXODUS SCRIPTURE!!! GO LOOK AND YOU WILL SEE!. Go look and read everything after exodus and then show me a married man of God who is a true believer and follower of the Lord who had more than one wife, if polygamy was correct then we would find men who worshiped God and who loved God who were polyamorous even after Moses gave them Gods law so go look at all the bible scriptures after exodus!.

[Asker]

If you want to know the truth please read this, https://creation.com/monogamy-bible-one-man-woman then after reading it decide what you want to believe.

[bamesjond0069]

I mean King David is an obvious example. But why does this even matter? What passage in the Bible says everything prior is not allowed? And certainly if God allowed something for many years it can't in and of itself be such a bad thing, since God doesn't support bad things. But I love this how you and also many Christians pick places and say everything before is just a story. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to disregard what came before. Ridiculous claim.

[Asker]

Did you read the link I sent I want to hear what you will say regarding it?

[Asker]

https://creation.com/monogamy-bible-one-man-woman
that link!.

[bamesjond0069]

You can say its not ideal however nowhere is it condemned. In fact specific rules were given on how to do it! It was relatively common practice among those who followed God. No other information is present in the Bible regarding it.

The link you posted is more obvious nonsense. Of course a marriage is one man one wife. This just shows you have no understanding of polygyny. A man marries one wife. A man marries one other wife. The women dont marry each other!!! Marriage is still just one man and one woman. The man just has two marriages.

[Asker]

NO need to be rude sir I understand the word of God completely, Divorce is a sin because it is considered to be a wrongful act, however many Christians get divorced and God did say that you as a Christian can get divorced only if you are getting divorced because your partner mistreats or cheats on you and the Lord says thar if you get divorced you may never marry anyone else but you may go back to the partner you divorced and y'all can fix things and be husband and wife again.

As for polygamy, it is a sin because there is no place in the bible that encourages it, if it was right then God would have encouraged it but he did not the only law he put regarding polygamy is that if a man marries 2 or more women he must make sure that he takes care of all of his wives equally and well and if fails to do that then he is sinning. There is no bible verse that says a man must marry many women, polygamy is definitely not encouraged in the bible, God only encourages monogamy and we know this because of the many quotes that are like this Ecclesiastes 4:9-11: Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor: If either of them falls down, one can help the other up. But pity anyone who falls and has no one to help them up. Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm. But how can one keep warm alone? Quotes like this that we find in the bible refer to one man and one woman who are partners/married, these quotes show that God encourages monogamy.

I have never read into polygamy in the bible, I just ruled out that it is a sin like divorce so i never fully bothered that much to look for any evidence promoting it. However

[Asker]

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The fact is that If you are a Christian man and you choose polygamy then you too must reap what you have sown and you must ensure that you fulfil all the husbandly duties that God said men must fulfil, equally to both your wives without fail, if you do fail you are sinning and Christ will judge you. Also you will endure all the many hardships and disadvantages that come with being polyamorous.

It is true that monogamous marriages are also hard but in comparison they are less hard and less disadvantageous than polyamorous ones, so any many who does not want a difficult life opts for monogamy. And kind David is literally the worst example he was a sinner, he made a lot of sins and he rebelled against Gods rule that said kings should only have one wife, "He must not take many wives for himself, lest his heart go astray. He must not accumulate for himself large amounts of silver and gold".

[Asker]

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[bamesjond0069]

"it is a sin because there is no place in the bible that encourages it" this is not a logical reasoning to use. This would mean wearing a green shirt is a sin, since its not encouraged in the Bible. So is driving a car. Looking at clouds for shapes. High fiving your friend. None of that is encouraged in the Bible... therefore its a sin. So that doesn't hold up.

"I have never read into polygamy in the bible, I just ruled out that it is a sin like divorce so i never fully bothered that much to look for any evidence promoting it." I think this is the most important thing you said. Your... and my... opinion and desire about what we want to be in the Bible is irrelevant to God. I didn't think much of polygyny but i was skipping around and just by chance read maybe 3 or 4 passages regarding it and was like wow there's a lot of polygyny stuff in here and it all seemed positive or neutral. So i read more and more and after looking up every single passage for it and against it i realized its quite obviously allowed. But i researched it. I spoke with others about it and they came to the same conclusion. Namely a girl from church. Then i told my girlfriend and she also agreed its pretty clear.

The issue is everyone tries to, and i did this at first, read our own modern norms into the text. Try to make your mind a blank slate and simply read whats written. This issue is emotional for many people and they go in thinking "of course this is a sin and terrible and horrendous" then they imagine the words to support their conclusion before they even read.

Some things aren't obvious unless you talk to someone more involved in such a relationship. For example i hear so many say one man one woman... yes thats a marriage for both a monogamist or a polygynist it really doesn't mean anything one way or the other. But people who dont know think its some sort of group marriage or something... no way!

[bamesjond0069]

Also a lot of the arguments against you will find online are straight up purposely deceptive. Like the part we spoke of above about kings not greatly multiplying... that would conclude one could do it when its not greatly multiplying and is actually support for the practice in the Bible.

I agree God doesn't say it ought to be done but he definitely did not say that it ought to not be done. Meaning there is no moral judgment about it. Its not good or bad at all. Just as there is no moral judgment on if you want to turn the air conditioner on because its hot out. Its not good or bad.

Lastly many arguments against are it brings lots of pain and suffering. As someone who has some experience now with this (from a dating perspective anyways) it actually works out really well when the participants behave in a biblical way. Ie man leads for the benefit of all, women submit to leadership, man provides etc and does it bring any more pain and suffering than normal marriage? Divorce cheating etc? I just dont see it.

[Asker]

Sir you don't know me so stop drawing conclusions for me and making assumptions for me, The point that I am making to you is that polygamy is a sin that is what I am saying because when I read the bible I saw that God encourages one man and one woman marriages that last until death do them apart.

when God mentioned polygamy he did not encourage people to partake in it. So in my understanding why not promote something that's right, if polyamory was right it would be promoted like divorce, divorce is definitely not promoted in the bible, God is against divorce but he allows it only when it is done for the reasons that he specified.

I may be a polyamorous person so you saying I am trying to mould the bible to fit into my views is completely false because you do not know me and the things I do in my life. However if we are talking about the bible here and my views have nothing to do with the bible, the bible contains Gods words not mine.

[bamesjond0069]

"Polyamory" which you keep mentioning is a sin. Im talking about whats in the Bible which is polygyny.

"The point that I am making to you is that polygamy is a sin" no its not. you're overly emotional about the topic and have no interest in actually discussing what the Bible says at this point. The Bible would not have rules about how to sin properly. Are there also rules about how one should have gay sex? Murder in cold blood? you're not holding polygyny to the same standards of any other action and its completely irrational. When somethings a sin, God says so. Go find where it says polygyny is a sin... its not there.

[Asker]

The bible does have rules about how to sin properly for one, God tells us that divorce is a sin but he tells us how to go about doing it properly if you must. There is nothing right about polygamy either, you yourself cannot provide a scripture that encourages men to have multiple wives or a scriptures that tells men the many spiritual benefits of having a lot of wives.

Therefore If i believe that polygamy is a sin then I am not wrong because there is no verse in the bible that states that polygamy is right and there is no verse that encourages/promotes polygamy.

[bamesjond0069]

Well how are you using Gag right now? Nowhere in the Bible is it encouraged. Your argument is completely irrational.

Also Divorce for cheating is not a sin.

Are you Catholic by chance? I've noticed Catholics are very into rules and regulations and thinking anything possible is a sin. Kind of like the Jews who won't turn on a light on Sabbath since thats "work". Smh.

[Asker]

I am saying divorce is a sin, God says that before Moses and the laws any man who divorced his wife had sinned, but because people had hardened their heats he considers divorce acceptable only if 'Whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of porneia (sexual immorality), makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 5:31-32).

As for your argument about me being on GAG, Did God say anything in the bible about GAG no so you cannot make that argument, did God say anything about wearing a green colored shirt NO so you cannot make that argument.

God did however speak of polygamy but he did not encourage men to marry multiple women at all, but he did tell them what they should do if they do go and marry multiple women. Divorce is the same God said in the past divorce was a sin, it was a wrong thing to do but he allowed it for their sake and only because the hearts of men were hardened.

Mark 10:2-12
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?”
3 “What did Moses command you?” he replied.
4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.
6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’
7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

[Asker]

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[Asker]

if you divorce your husband or wife due to abuse then it is not a sin either, the person who has sinned in this case is the wife or husband who is abusive because there is no law that tells husbands or wives to abuse their partners, and there is a law that tells you to get away from sinners, Psalm 1 :: NIV. Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. However after you get divorced you can never marry anyone else because that's a sin you should remain single.

[bamesjond0069]

So then you must find all drinking to be a sin since it is discussed and says not to become drunken but clearly its not promoted so therefore all drinking is a sin. This can apply to so many things in the Bible that make no sense. It just logically makes no sense from the beginning.

You are obviously very emotionally attached to the issue and behaving irrational about it so i see no point in further arguing. God is very straight forward. See 10 commandments for example. There isn't much difficulty in seeing what the point is. If greatly multiplying wives is not allowed but having a few is. Then it is. Now you're just making stuff up like God doesn't like it. Well generally if he doesn't like something it makes it into the Bible such as leviticus 18:22. This is the same exact thing progressive Christians do to justify divorce, feminism, gay sex, abortion, you name it. The second you start feeling something says something or trying to guess what God wants, you're really just putting yourself as God and twisting the words. The words say what they say. Divorce for cheating is allowed. It being good bad or otherwise is not practically relevant. God allows us that. Just as God allows men to have more than one wife. Says it plain as day. Whether its ideal or this or that or the other thing doesn't matter. God allows it and Gods word is final. The end.

[Asker]

I already told you that I put no effort into reading more about polygamy because The bible specifically states that God wants one man and one woman to get married and become one, “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’
7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

I now saw the God did not specifically state that polygamy is a sin, and he did not promote it either there is no bible verse that encourages men to have more than one wife.

I never said anything about God disliking polygamy all I said is that he does not encourage men to have more than one wife but he does encourage men to get married so that they have fewer chances of committing sexual sins, such as sex before marriage "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband". here is yet another bible quote that does not encourage polygamy nor divorce.

I also said that I definitely view polygamy as a sin because there is no bible verse to prove that I am wrong for viewing polygamy as a sin, because they literally is no bible verse that says men must have more than one wife.

[Asker]

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[Asker]

"I also said that I definitely view polygamy as a sin because there is no bible verse to prove that I am wrong for viewing polygamy as a sin, because they literally is no bible verse that says men must have more than one wife".

This means I will not engage in polygamy.

[bamesjond0069]

You don't have to whether its a sin or not. Dont think anyone said you had to? Its just clearly not a sin. Just as you dont HAVE to become a pastor but you could. It could be good to be a pastor if you do a good job but it could also be bad if you're a bad one and know nothing of scripture or teaching people. Many things are not necessarily good or bad in and of itself. Thats what I've said since the beginning. For me it makes more sense to have 2 or 3 wives and therefore thats what im working towards. For you you dont like it so just be with a man who only wants one. Problem solved. But still its not a sin. This is just personal preference at this point.

However we are going to the time of Isaiah 3 and 4 yet again and "seven women will take hold of one man... ... let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace." This is why it makes sense to me. As far as i can find there are basically no marriagable women, and therefore it takes more than one unmarriagable woman to appease man. Back to the virginity issue. Society is in collapse and the normal way of doing this is not happening. Women are having sex so young before they have any chance to think of what they are doing. Men dont have to accept this. Personally i can accept a little wiggle room as a practical matter only because a woman must pay a price for sexual immorality and therefore she will share a husband or have one she doesn't want or remain unmarried. This is how it ought to be. Id be promoting terrible lifestyles of sin to marry a whore otherwise. And i am weak. I can no longer wait for a virgin bride as I've not found any prospects yet desire a family.

[Asker]

Of course society is in it's collapse we are living in the end times it gets gradually worse every year and every day, God encourages everyone who is a Christians to not marry and to remain single so that you have more time to worship God and fulfill his work. But of course if you want to get married and have kids then it is not wrong you can.

Goodluck to you for wanting polygamy as you said it makes sense to you and you want to engage in it, to me it does not make sense and I not going to engage in it but I am not going to judge you at all because, it's not my place to judge you but it is my place and it is your place to openly express things that you disagree with and agree with just as we have done right now.

[Asker]

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[cth96190]

I do not care.
Although, if given a choice, I would rather be with a flaming whore who swung from the ceiling in my dungeon. 😈

[Asker]

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[slatyb]

If a woman is a virgin in her mid-twenties, I will be wondering if she has much interest in sex.

[Asker]

so society is this messed up🙀 how saddd...

[zeitgeist057]

It's true, society is so messed up people are so sexually repressed they are still virgins in their 20s and sometimes even 30s. The older they get, the sadder and more sexually repressed you can tell society is.

[slatyb]

You are part of a small minority. For the past 80 years about 90% of Americans have had sex before marriage. It’s the same in other countries where people marry in their mid-twenties or later.