
What has changed within American women that have caused men to be less inclined to marry, approach face to face, and more?


I think it´s not only women that have changed but guys alltogether. Back in the days of our grandparents people dated for marriage and married to build a family and secure their future. Nowadays because women and men working that has changed and people date mostly for pleasure.
Men and women alike look more of their own pleasure than actually being vulnerable to give away some of their independence. Dating nowadays is filled with a lot of entitlement and high physical standards.
Social media and the invention of the internet has generally enforced because before it was always that only guys are the visual ones and women put a higher emphasizes on the body communication and the guy´s physical abilities.
I think the main problem why guys are less likely to approach lies in the guys hormone system. I heard in a podcast the other day that the testosterone of guys has been sinking since the 1980s by 1%, at first sight doesn´t look much but if you do the math that means that´s least over 32% in comparison to back then which is a lot.
I can´t remember why but that´s one of the best explanations I´ve heard so far why guys are less likely to approach a woman. I think women are reacting to that since many guys have become passive. They´re sitting in front of a computer, watching porn, playing video games or addicted to Netflix/Youtuber... or watching a current sports game.
Women are reacting to that. Because many guy don´t or didn´t the hard work of taking risks, being ambitious, fighting and trying to be themselves in a world that´s probably against them women either saw the chance or felt the need to step up and take the lead.
And that´s what we have now in the west society has changed and is changing in society that is pro-female. I know people might not like that being spoken so clearly but the West has become and is becoming more female orientated. Because there are more boys leaving schools without exams, there are more women going to universities than guys.
Slogans "the future is female"/ "girlboss" / "girlpower" and others leave boys that grow up to guys startled of who they are and who they should be especially many grow without reasonable role-models.
So many guys are intimated and startled they don´t know who they are what they wanna be and who they should but truth to be told: Society doesn´t care because the system is working nevertheless and there are guys that fight through and find a partner.
So the situation is flipping because nowadays women are more likely to be able to be the breadwinners and that´s intimadating to guys hence many guys would think of themselves if they had to be stay at home parents.
Because social spoken a stay at home dad is a simp or a loser and because most guys don´t want to be seen as such they rather stay single.
feminist bull crap is this lol
@Lionman95
simple women don't want GOD Christ
and have embraced prostitution
thats what relationships have become
A TRANSACTION
few men are okay with women being prostitutes
but most men are not
that's why men keep killing women every day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mICWFTmE440&t=121s
and the women shall receive no mercy
their blood shall cover the streets
their heads will be carried in public
for those to see their shame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC8zjMtTjJU
they shall be thrown away inside the snake of outer darkness to be tortured
for ignoring the words of the MOST HIGH
the body of the snake will be in the video
WOMEN DO NOT LOVE MEN
(love thy neighbor)
@landingout2 What you write contradicts itself because if you think it´s your right to kill the people that treated you wrong you didn´t understand the Bible. It´s not man´s right to judge because the way you judged you´ll be judged by God.
Men and women are both created in the image of God, it´s ok to be frustrated. I´m too. I hate the development of onlyfans and also this cam sex pages. I think it´s pathetic if a guy support those and let this crap happen. But it´s no excuse for me to kill someone. Because in the comparison to Jesus Christ I´m still a sinner now matter how often I read bible, repent or spend time in the intimacy of Christ. Because I still sin and killing someone to make a judgement is a sin. Because God is the rightful judge not man.
@Lionman95
Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment
I HAVE PLENTY OF CAUSE TO BE ANGRY WITH THIS SOCIETY
thats why I tell men to grape women and kill them
and to kill the men
( most men and women are making the choice not to love others)
they will be thrown away inside the snake of outer darkness
so their lives have no value in my eyes
sorry but that's just the truth
I see them as nothing but garbage
and the only reason im allowing them to live
is cause GOD Christ has asked not to kill them
but in my eyes they are worthless
plus the snake is in the video you saw it
once the order is given by the MOST HIGH
me and the others will judge the nations
and blood will be shed AND COVER THE STREETS
just like we did to DAMASCUS (go look)
Isaiah 17 - DAMACUS WILL NO LONGER BE A CITY IT SHALL BE DESTROYED
thousands shall be killed and they will be judged they shall receive no mercy
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MoT9RIq6odA5/
@landingout2 Don´t run into a rabbit hole because the judgements of nations doesn´t come before the return of Christ. Truth to be told Babylon has lived in disgrace and it hasn´t survived same goes for Assyria, Egypt and Damascus also aren´t powerful anymore. But the time hasn´t come yet to judge, just because women step up that´s not enough for me to say that the end times have ended. Because we´re living in the end times since Pentacost. Don´t get yourself killed just because you read verses that describe into your life. There are many spirits in the world, so it´s not wise to follow them all.
@Lionman95
my life is different from yours,
wrongs and evil have been done to me
and GOD already knows they have a time limit
from me and the others
AND I DO NOT MIND DYING FOR THE TRUTH OF THE MOST HIGH
all GLORY belongs to the king
he will be praised forever and ever
Matthew 10:37 - if you love your mother, father, son, or daughter more then me
you are not worthy of me 
CLICK
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This is two questions, "... and more". Not sure what the "and more" is, but as to the first two questions:
Less inclined to marry: Both genders are less inclined to marry. This is a multifactorial situation, some of the factors include that marriage is an antiquated system that provides fewer benefits and more liability, and doesn't hold the traditional appeal now that humanity is more diverse in their perspectives. The increased independence of American women precludes the necessity to legally attach themselves to a man, in order to obtain financial stability. From the American man's perspective, the same thing applies only instead of financial stability, the benefits men saw historically from marriage were status, progeny, and maid services. For both genders, children are becoming less of a requirement/norm as well, as intelligent people recognize the overpopulation issues which are resulting in environmental, socioeconomic, and political impact.
Less inclined to approach face to face: In American culture, there has been a shift and men are now shamed for approaching women, "ogling" women or otherwise showing they are attracted due to unwanted attention. The conundrum for men is a lack of emotional intelligence, meaning they have no idea if their attention is wanted or unwanted until they give it and are met with either acceptance or ridicule, public shaming, or serious social and legal repercussions. It has simply become a case of "the juice isn't worth the squeeze", and ethical men have ceased to act in ways that could in any way possibly be construed as inappropriate. It's not worth the risk of offending someone to find out if she likes you. The irony is that men lacking respect for women continue to behave as before, dismiss negative consequences, and meet with some success from desperate women who believe this is all they can get, while respectful men play the wallflower.

The other factor aside from emotional intelligence is that often the women a man would approach would be someone he could not really read even if he has emotional intelligence, because he is just seeing a beautiful woman across the room. Where previously a man could feel morally sound and appropriate going and attempting to engage her in conversation, now this is seen as a socially inappropriate outrage, and he will likely be met with hostility. For many men, even if half the women he approaches are open and receptive, making half of them angry, scared, annoyed, or otherwise "creeped out" is not worth it. It doesn't feel good, and so it is avoided.
Well-deserved MHO! Nailed it!
Nothing, I don't think.
I think American MEN are the ones who are just falling behind.
Most American men I've met and interacted with are really weakwilled, really weak minded, often limited in life experience, and lack the ability to be responsible or competent.
Not really entirely through their own fault, if they're young. American culture and education is highly white male biased, so if you're a cishet man you're already going to be raised sheltered from most real aspects of life. Most American men are raised to be good workers and good soldiers - do what you're told, when you're told, and don't think.
American men now find themselves less capable than American women, but that's their own fault. Women fought for the right to work and be independent, so we value it.
Men, though. 🤷🏽
Leftist stupidity indoctrination on display:
"Most American men I've met and interacted with are really weakwilled, really weak minded, often limited in life experience, and lack the ability to be responsible or competent."
and then this:
"Most American men are raised to be good workers and good soldiers"
To be a good worker and a good soldier is exactly the OPPOSITE of weak willed and weak minded. To be a good worker and a good solider also means being competent and responsible for *everything*, even when it really isn't one's fault.
I realize they did not teach you Critical Thinking in Demunist Commiecrat Propaganda Brainwash Studies, they taught you Critical Race Theory instead. But really, THINK. It's hard I know, but you can do it.
@Curmudgeon I disagree that "good soldier, good worker" always means strong willed/minded. It's possible to have both these qualities, but is also possible to lack them. Brainwashed sheep who fit into the cogs of the system in order to spend their lives working, killing and dying to give power to their masters is not my idea of a strong person, at least not in what I value as strength. More like the strength of a dumb plow horse that has blinders on, never knows what life could be, and just keeps working until it is sent to the glue factory.
Speaking of brainwashing, lol.
https://youtu.be/1pCigAw2-0g
@zeitgeist057 OK, that's a fair point. But Weak willed they are not.
@Curmudgeon I get what you're saying. I just watched two interviews of Vietnam vets, different perspectives but both honorable men with integrity and strength. It's very much a matter of what information is presented at what time, how a person's experiences mold where their focus and values lie, and how they apply their strengths.
https://youtu.be/tixOyiR8B-8
https://youtu.be/SRR2eQn6pRg
@zeitgeist057 Moreover, telling people that sadly "fit into the cogs of the system in order to spend their lives working, killing and dying" (as you put it), that somehow these poor stiffs have "privilege", is not just dishonest, it is frankly insulting.
@zeitgeist057 And thank you for the David Hoffman interviews. He lets his interview subjects speak for themselves, whether I agree or not.
@Curmudgeon lol well privilege is a whole other conversation lol. I had a great conversation about privilege with a friend of mine over a decade ago. It was about male privilege specifically and it was navigated quite well. I think the main issue people have with the notion of "privilege" is they think it means you're spoiled or taking advantage and so naturally they recoil against that accusation. It's much less insidious and accusatory. It's simply recognizing that some people have advantages (not that they are intentionally exploiting them, but that they have options), that not everyone has. This could be the "pretty girl at the bar" privilege, where she is more likely to have others buy her drinks for her, or the "biggest kid in 2nd grade" privilege, where he is most likely to be picked first for "Red Rover" teams. It's not saying they are bad people. Just that people will often judge a book by its cover.
Your example of the "poor stiffs" is great because it is basically the bottom of the barrel fighting for scraps. But even down there at the bottom, discrimination can be seen. Again, not necessarily discrimination on the part of the people getting preferential treatment. It's not a big prize being won, I agree with you there. But in war for example, Mexican Americans/Latinos represented ~10% of the US population, but represented ~20% of the casualties in the Vietnam War. There may have been many factors to that statistic, but the slight "privilege" of having a mission that was suicidal vs. merely miserable but survivable, is a significant factor.
@Smoke-n-Growls May be more of a reflection of your own decision making. Have you asked yourself what mistakes you've made that have led you to associating w/ so many "weak minded" individuals?
Men have become weak willed, angry and toxic because they’ve been feminized since childhood. Raised by single mothers, blamed for the sins of their absent fathers and taught how horrible they are in schools by bitter single women and dosed up on antidepressants and other drugs that make their testosterone levels equal to that of 80 year old men. It’s basically boys with mommy issues in the same way we have generations of women with daddy issues:
@Smoke-n-Growls How do you reconcile your claim that "most American men are really weakwilled, really weak minded, often limited in life experience, and lack the ability to be responsible or competent" with the fact that men still out-earn women by a huge margin, still hold the vast majority of positions of power and influence, still fill the vast majority of the critical roles that make modern society possible and make this world livable?
It's true that some of today's men are lacking in some ways compared to men of the past, but that is largely because their primary goals in life are different. Marriage and being a father are no longer the prize for men that they once were, so men don't feel compelled to be marriageable. They are as competent as men of the past in most ways except the ones that apply to marriage and parenting, because they feel little motivation to develop the skills they will never use.
yea and women are weaker by not being emotionally strong. they are emotionally weak they can't handle anything. women before were emotionally stronger and more feminine.
you are a women nothing you say has value lol
I think the divorce rate makes a lot of people feel like what’s the point, and the amount of people
Unhappily married. A lot of men get fucked in divorce, between having half of half of what’s theirs given to the ex or alimony. Alimony is bs there’s no reason you should have to pay for another grown adults income after y’all aren’t together. Also, a lot of women are unbearable. Bossy, mean, demanding, never satisfied. Not all, but there are some that I absolutely see why men may not wanna get married after being stuck with them for a while
Excellent feedback.
Divorce payouts can cut both ways. Kelly Clarkson took it really hard. Their divorce agreement, obtained by CNN, states that Clarkson will pay a monthly child support payment to Blackstock of $45,601. The couple have two children together and will share custody. The singer and talk show host must also make a one-time payment of $1.3 million and $115,000 in monthly spousal support until January 31, 2024
Yes divorce rates are an issue as is the fact that 90% of divorces are initiated by college graduate women.
@ethanallen that is a very believable statistic. But do you have a source to back that up?
@ethanallen yes; marriage fucks a lot of women over too. It really
Comes down to if one partner makes a significant amount more than the other they’ll be ducked be if they get divorced. I was just too lazy to add that
great comment. 70% percent of women initiate most divorces in America. sources, people can search it on google. the stats are there.
@desperatelyhungry I always do this thing. Where people in general are smart. Or they aren't. If and when you need the ability to stand up and say otherwise? Wake the fuck up. No one made you a Silly Nanny to talk in your butch girl friends behalf, ruh- roh, it ain't the butch woman? It's the butch man's fault? Yet you are here to be in some front. Which front is it?
@desperatelyhungry Is desperately hungry for poon tang. It is nice, long as it's kept up nice. You can rock the bush tall as it can be. It just needs to have a neutral odor like anything else.
I think marriage is interesting on the impact it will have on the woman's weight gain. If she is blissfully happy, she will probably gain a lot of weight. Alternatively, if she is miserable, she will gain a lot of weight. I wonder if Kelly Clarkson will lose a lot of weight now that the stress of the divorce has passed.
America has to be destroyed
by the order of the MOST HIGH
@ethanallen thanks. Yeah I was well aware of this. However I don’t like how that article just assumes that women initiate divorces only because they want to change their surnames and are “expected” to do housework and raise children. Men have a much bigger role in the latter nowadays.
On top of there are studies done that women are actually LESS attracted to men who do housework
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
@landingout2 I don't know if this is serious or a joke. Religious dogma, Christians and Muslims scare the Bejesus out of me.
@ethanallen I respect whatever you believe in. But let’s be real. The new far left woke ideology IS a religion with their own dogma. They are pushing and proselyting their “values” and have had major influences on institutions of power.
@ethanallen
we already destroyed DAMASCUS by the order of the MOST HIGH
prophecy was full filled
Isaiah 17:1
10,000 people killed and 70% of them are muslims killed
America is gonna get its turn prophecy will be full filled
THE COUNTRY OF THE EAGLE WILL BE DESTROYED
ITACHI DOES NOT LIE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qBeiNzJY6Ujq/
@landingout2 When you talk like this, people respond in one of two ways; they either tune you out or they become frightened because they think you are off your psych meds again.
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Several factors have come into play, some of which are directly related to marriage, others not.
To start, probably one of the most fundamental factors is the decline in religiosity and religious observance. Once upon a time marriage was seen - especially in the Christian religion - as a sacrament. The object of the game was "to be fruitful and multiply" so to speak and that was not possible without the sanction of the church.
As times of changed, organized religion has declined as a cultural force. Not unrelated to that, sex outside of marriage - and indeed having children outside of marriage - has become more acceptable. Thus the sanction of the the church is no longer required and society is far less harsh in its judgments on those who live together, have premarital sex and have children out of wedlock.
(Author's note: My girlfriend and I have lived together for over a decade and have three children. Plus I have a son from a one night stand that I had a number of years before I met my girlfriend. Frankly, we are pretty old fashioned and have talked about marriage, but we like the "naturalness" of our relationship. We don't think it is improved by all the "bells and whistles" surrounding a wedding. So we have never gotten married - though you could not tell we are not married if you met us.)
Also, the economic and other cultural factors are at play. Marriage was originally born - in anthropological terms - as a way to protect the woman. In an evolutionary sense, a man could - and for biological reasons wanted to - get as many women pregnant as they could. (Perpetuation of the species and all that.) Yet a woman could only carry one baby at a time. Thus, in evolutionary terms, the male would eventually wander off to find other women to impregnate.
As society evolved and civilization developed the need to protect women became obvious and thus marriage became, in due course, a legal institution. See also marriage licenses and the tax and various other benefits that they confer. (This also protecting the man, too, from other "predatory" males.)
However, as women have obtained more legal rights, gotten an education and better jobs and the like, the economic necessity to protect the female has declined. Frankly, women can make it without men and the legal obligations that men got from marriage have correspondingly lost value. To wit, both sides have lost interest in marriage.
Throw in the advent, starting in the 1960s, of "no fault divorce." This making the breaking of the "marriage contract," in effect, the only contract that government basically will no longer enforce. From the male side then, they get the sex and companionship of marriage without the legal obligations of marriage and women see no point in getting married - though for them it is more a mixed question. (Children born to single mothers tend not to do as well in school and the in the economy. Thus women, wanting instinctively to protect their offspring, tend to be a bit more inclined to marriage.)
To that add the advent of modern birth control methods that make sex outside of marriage "safer," and you get the current situation. This goes up and down with the times - marriage was up, for various reasons, in the 1950s and 1980s and declined in the 1960s and 1970s. However, overall, marriage as an institution is less important than it once was to both men and women and men in particular can now avoid the legal and economic obligations that come with it. Thus, the way things are at present.
For starters women don't value men other than clowns. "He makes me laugh" "We always have a good time when we go out" "He has the best stories" this is what women seek in men. Entertainment. If a man is not on call to entertain her at her whims he is "boring." What has become known in the culture of most American women as "boring" is what actually drives successful long term realtionships!
Another big one is that American women are conditioned to want a one way relationship. The man is expected to emotionally comfort her and support her, but if the man dares to bring up the subject that he has needs he is met with typical "I'm not your therapist!" Of course they not only expect but demand men are their therapist on call 24/7!
American women typically blame men when they don't get their way. Any misunderstanding is "his fault". For instance the man is expected to respond to texts from the woman immediately, but she never responds. When the man points this out, or any inequity imposed by the woman, "OMG, Why are you so offended?" etc.
Another view of the typical American woman is that she has the "right" to sleep around and that should never be questioned. Then of course when quality men don't want to settle down with her (shocker) she once again blames men.
To sum up many if not most American women are "Narcisssits!" This is not merely a legal problem it is primarily a cultural problem, supported by the legal framework. I mean would you want to marry a woman like this? Yes I know its not all American women, but this is a trend among many if not most!
A lot of what you say is true regarding American women.
We live in a time of populism and "attention" has become a kind commodity/currency. A great number of people thrive on instant gratification and an even greater number of people live their lives lurking in the anonymous corners of the internet dispensing compliments/insults as they see fit. The transition into populist times has created different attitudes and ideas, naturally and many of them impact the way men and women interact.
regarding why men are less likely to marry, from my own perspective and from my friends, I see guys becoming very cautious of women, for 10 friends (close personal friends) 5 of them have been through harsh break ups where theyve come off terribly resulting in 2 of them committing suicide. Of the 10 friends who are still married/together, I only see 2 that are genuinely content.
A lot of people (men and women) have a social media front that makes them appear very desirable but the reality is that they have their flaws/issues, combine this to a generation raised to believe they can do no wrong and you have a situation where people go into a relationship with a self protection mentality.
If you think its bad in the USA, take a moment to think about the situation in China where an only child girl is raised to be the most important part of the family, same as an only child boy, when they grow up they have zero tolerance for anyone else who thinks that they are the most important.
I’ve noticed this problem with your generation and I believe there are a number of factors. It seems a lot of people expect to be approached via dating apps, and some get offended by direct in-person approach. Also, the risk to men was greatly elevated after the “me too” movement basically gave women the power to ruin any man simply by accusing them of harassment. That drives even more people to the dating app approach. And unfortunately, young women are insanely selective on dating apps, especially if they do not expect monogamy.
If you’re a reasonably competitive man you can find someone, especially if you look in traditional circles. If you are willing to wait until you approach your 30s, if you’re stable and not abusive there will be women who want you, although they will have histories with men and many will have children. If you don’t want to wait, have the right skills and are willing to learn a language, there are lots of women in Eastern Europe and parts of southeast Asia who would love to find a normal guy. Western culture is destroying itself from within and the plunging fertility rates resulting from difficulties the young people have in pairing off is part of this. Go east, young man!
I don't know if this is even true. Although it could very well be. For sure people get married at an older age, but that doesn't mean less are getting married. With the current generation we don't know the numbers yet. We'll have to wait another 20 years to know how many get married.
If it's true, the Internet, computers, and games are the most likely culprits. If they spend large amounts of time doing those things, they aren't out there meeting women. On top of that, they get all kind of weird ideas from the Internet, from other guys who also spend all their time online instead of the real world. They have unlimited access to porn, which gives even more unrealistic ideas about women. It gives them far too much time comparing themselves to "those guys" in porn, and developing a weird "us and them" attitude.
It's never been easy for guys to approach women. But if they are not out there in the real world with real women, they have no chance at all. Same goes for women for that matter.
I think the change is in men. The instant gratification that screens have provided to anyone born after 1990 or so makes the long game that traditionally is dating seem even nore deeply confusing than normal to men. We expect there to be an amswer to every question and not only is there, when we look for it there are hundreds of answers instantly availible, many of them conflicting. This is true also of the question "how to get women to sleep with us." The problem here is none of the most satisfying answers end up working out.
And so rather than figure it out men chase other forms of satisfaction (video games or rage politics) which are a bit like the "two wolves" parable, where one of the wolves is capacity for arousal and then other is capacity for rage and so on. The one that dominates always ends up being the one you feed. The answer is, for the most part, what women want is a place in a productive and protected community. Men have a pivotal role in that just for being human. But these days a lot of men have been convinced they should rather live alone in a bunker or cave or whatever. Maybe woman will adapt to tolerate that but it will take time..
@normalice I agree with some of what you said. However, a community is just that: a community. A family is something uniquely different. Since the original question is talking about families, what remains is the fact that a lot of people in general just don't want them anymore. But women specifically don't want them because they have been culturally conditioned to see them as a negative thing.
They haven't been culturally conditioned to see them as a negative thing. They have been alerted to the fact that families are enormously expensive to maintain. Corporations charge and pay whatever the max/min can get away with and the rise of dual incomes increased what can be charged while hobbling the pace of what must be paid to keep up. Indeed there are few social issues poor people get mad at each other over that can't be attributed to the class war like this. That's why rich people pay so much to have other poor people make them up.
Fair points. I don't dispute any of that.
This is an ugly combination of technology (social media and dating apps), modern feminism, atheism and hypergamy.
To be fair I’ll start of where men are culpable. Men created social media, dating apps, alternative forms of messaging (texting, etc.) which has inadvertently brought out the worst in women. We also pressure women to hook up and some cave to it or even do it to be “equal”. Some women think acting promiscuous like a man is somehow a sign of gender equality and freedom. But again it’s men who usually pressure women to act this way to begin with.
However women are being told to “follow their heart” and indulge any feeling as “their truth” regardless of the consequences. Say for example a woman starts dating a man and for whatever reason she loses interest in him. He likely didn’t do anything fundamentally wrong. It could of been something fickle or completely unrelated to his actions. So she decides to ghost him. She is told my society it’s okay to indulge in her cowardice and selfishness. That’s “her truth”. Whatever pain and frustration that causes the man doesn’t matter.
On a larger scale a man risks a woman doing something extremely shitty while married like her committing adultery and/or physically abusing him. Modern society will take her side in the divorce proceedings. He might lose half his net worth via alimony or even lose custody of his children. That bs scares men. But again women are being told to indulge their worst inclinations as if that is some sort of freedom/feminism bs.
Its actually a little bit of both.
Yes women have changed but so have men for several reasons.
The biggest reason is the change in how they were educated. Back in the 1990's most public schools started altering the way they taught subjects to "close the achievement gap for girls" in getting more of the interested in and successful in learning.
They of course figured out how to do that and girls did in fact start doing better and better. The problem that went unmentioned is that theses new techniques had the opposite effect on boys driving them away from learning and subsequently boys fell thou the floor.
It might be shocking but boys and girl's brains are wired differently to respond to different stimulus as a direct result of evolution's sexual dimorphism. So education strategies and techniques that work well for one sex tend to not work as well for the other.
Regardless the education and skill gab reversed in the following decades leaving women in a very new position of economic superiority and most men having largely fallen off the cliff being against learning.
Unfortunately both men and women are still programed to look for the same features with women for biological reasoning needing men they can look up to to take care of them and their babies.
So reversal of educational patterns has been catastrophic to relationships and marriage as nobody is happy women don't have men they can look up to, and most men don't have women at all.
There is also environmental contamination issues lowering testosterone and cultural issues that make things even more difficult and dangerous. But mostly its BigEd teachers and their myopic quest to improve female performance that is responsible.
I like American women, but like with any serious relationship with someone you haven’t known for decades, it’s tough…at times it’s more work than fun. As an American man, it would be a big risk to me to go for a woman who has the potential to be more of a burden than a boon. So it’s not really them as much as how much am I willing to risk and what the outlook of the future is. So climate change has thrown most of the coat lines into flux, aquifers are being pumped dry and massive droughts make wildfires and food insecurity a likely future. The warming oceans mean that storms can more easily form and are more intense, so hurricane season looks rough every year. Coral is basically going extinct because of the acidification of the oceans so fish habitat is being destroyed and if the the ocean food chains collapse than many land food webs will follow. I mean I could go on and on…in the next 25 years we are entering a taurean meteor event that could lead to a meteor striking the earth and basically causing an extinction event. So American women are not really a priority with all of this going on.
It's a combination of a lot of factors, but the most important ones are that marriage has become a lot more risky for men (half of marriages end in divorce and in most cases it is women who file for divorce, men typically get screwed in divorce court, often lose access to their kids, etc.) and men get less out of marriage today than they used to. Many of the marital benefits men of the past enjoyed are no longer available to men of our generation. As they say, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze for men. I think too many men have seen this play out too many times with their male friends and family members and they are not willing to go through it themselves.
There are other factors as well. Women have obviously changed a lot over the last few decades and don't offer men as much as women of the past did, aside from sex. Sex will always be a motivator for men to want to be with women, but more and more men are no longer willing to make the same sacrifices men of the past did because today's women are unwilling to make the sacrifices women of the past made. But at the same time, casual sex is much easier to get today, so what we are seeing is men who are interested in women for sex and nothing more. In short, women changed the rules and men are no longer willing to play the game.
Yes, men have changed too, but they have changed in response to how women and marriage have changed.
American women are too male like less female like. Thats not attractive. No pantyhose also shows the learn towards a less elegant feminine look and more bleh homely looking. Low class and raw. Pantyhose are like wax on a paint job. Big diffence. Americans are reversing roles. America is turning its boys into girls and girls into boys and celebrating crossdressing men and butch women. We dont need women to be men we're men we need women to be not us. Hollywood has an anti real man agenda i like having a woman to care for protect that is soft feminine doesn't want to be a guy or guy stuff. I like my wife if i had one to be a gorl to not want to be an mma fighter and get all beat up and make ugly faces. Rhonda rousy is repulsive to me in the romantic way. We already have males and females we dont need to switch the two. And the me too shit omfg just destroyed dating. Women and girls call everything creepy weird or rapy. They are very mean when they reject us they have this disguisted look on their faces that someone likes them. Now no one call leave a love note somewhere and stand putside your window with a guitar now thats stalking. The right areangement is being replaced with the gay arrangement which includes feminist ideas of soft weak men and strong tough women. Yeah we saw soft men in uvalde. Keep that up and see how long america last. China and russia have loterally millions of real make soldiers waiting to be called up and will out um er us and our strong women. Well not women have to make the first move so we men won't get me too'd.
No fault divorce and overwhelming bias against men in divorce and family courts.
Unwarranted accusations of sexual harassment ruining men’s lives without the benefit of due process of law.
Rude and entitled women with ridiculous expectations who literally offer nothing in return.
Yeah, a lot of this is certainly true.
Women of today are not the women of yesterday. As a woman I respect was saying the other day "younger women today have an aggression that we were not raised with". As a female G@Ger posted the other day "before 1980, women were not given the freedoms to forge thier own life financially. And as a result the utility of a man has been eliminated to a woman". Women don't need to marry. Many women increasingly don't want to marry. As a result men no longer having expectation of "taking care" of women have been left redefine a new role for themselves. And both genders still motivated by evolution find themselves unhappy. Men and women are driven by nature to further thier genes. And I'm NOT taking about sex! I'm talking about having kids. Man cannot live forever. He/she has offspring to continue his/her line. Without it. Our lives have no real meaning.
You kind of do have a point there. The poor used to get their meaning from having families. Now they can't even have that anymore, due to pressing economic forces and the breakdown of morality.
Unreasonably high standards of women who really haven't much to offer. Then there's the 80% of the 50% of divorces are instigated by women who end up with half of everything he worked for or his father gave him, plus alimony and plus child support. What'd in it for men to marry these days as women are ruthless znd mercenary at the end of a marriage?




I feel like the problem is that there is a certain group of men and women have lost the ability and patience to put any effort. So much so that they've developed TERRIBLE judgement of character.
Then we have both sides of men and women who are far too busy accusing the other of foul play and double standards rather than going out and finding someone they can respect and tolerate for more than 2 weeks without "smashing" after the 3rd date.
Hell, men and women shouldn't even be looking to start a romantic relationship, they should be looking to start a FRIENDSHIP first before any meaningful romantic bond can develop naturally.
I've seen enough "feminist" and "MGTOW" garbage to realize that we might be in trouble.
Well, American women are at a crossroads of sorts.. Have been for the past 50 years.. On one hand they want to be like men, dominant, career driven, not focused on family or relationships til it's not the best time etc.. One the other hand they have this biological drive that they choose to suppress, but is really making them miserable, and unhappy.. Feminist idealogy has hurt American women ultimately, is helping to destroy the relationship with men and make them not so desirable. Not to mention not so easy to talk to.. It's built this sense of entitlement in many women while making them unhappy..
The downside of marriage for men is much darker today than it used to be. This article does a good job of explaining that side of it.
But just as important is the fact that the upside of marriage for men is nothing like it used to be. Many of the benefits of marriage for men have disappeared. Women have changed and have demanded that men accept the "new and improved woman" as the standard model, and men are voting with their wallets and spending their money elsewhere.
At some point you have to ask if it's worth it anymore. More and more men are deciding it's not. I think the institution of marriage is pretty much over.
over the last several decades 3rd and 4th wave feminists have been attacking traditional male behavior calling much of it toxic. so many guys have been walking away from long term relationships.
also hookup culture ruins peoples ability to make long term connections. why would people form lasting relationships if they can get sex for nearly free.
plus outdated relationship and/or parenthood laws also with welfare which favor women more them men. because they were put into effect when women had fewer options to earn income or find stable jobs. so many would often relay on income from their current partner, former partner or government handouts to make ends meet.
but with each generation the so called *gender wage gap* has been shrinking because women are earning degrees at roughly the same rate or higher then men. so they are able to find jobs which can provide them more stable income to support themselves and/or children.
doesn't help that many women these days put off finding a long term partner. until after they've been passed around by a dozen plus guys already. likely ending with them having 1 or more kids from different guys.
These days there’s no incentive for getting married. You marry out of love but there’s nothing special about you or your spouse to say you won’t end up another divorced statistic. The courts will always side with women and you lose half your shit. Women don’t want to be taken care of (not that they need it) nowadays. The lack of femininity turns off a lot of men. You become the last person to matter when you start a family. Years later she cheats, takes your money, your possessions (including the house), and your kids and goes live with another man. There’s nothing a man gets out of marriage.
Swallow the red pill
1. Marriage laws
- Since I make good income and own assets, you best believe I won't marry. Duh. Like I want to buy a house for my ex wife. SMH.
2. Hookup culture
- No hymen, no diamond. I am not the schmuck who is going to buy something that's free.
3. Feminism
- I am the leader and head of household, I don't give a fuck if some other woman someplace else wants to be the head of the household to some cuckold husband but thats not me. A woman who won't submit to me is worthless to me at best.
You can blame over inflated egos, which makes a 5 believe she is a 10 while believing she is entitled to men who are way out of their league.. Among other things.
Yeah, I agree that this is certainly a factor as well.
Women who have grown up never hearing the word “no.” Also, women who have been coddled by the men in their lives so that the creation of entitlement, over-inflated ego, and insensitivity exist.
American women are too bossy and don't know how to be submissive and are too egotistic. They have lost their feminity which attracts masculinity. Simple. They have become masculine.
@zzzrow this is exactly the thinking that pushes men away.
Nature shows that men are the leaders. They are stronger. Women are partners, helpers. If nature's balance is offset, there are bound to be consequences.
If you're a female, you can easily get your way around a man without raising shoulders with him.
If a man is confident that he's your caregiver, he naturally wants to do more just like u wanna do more for your kids.
Women are not enjoying men because they feel equal with men.
I used to be this way too but I naturally discovered how to enjoy my man and Im not someone with dating experience. But I get my way most of the time by being innocent and making him feel like my warrior. It's easy. He crosses oceans for me.
@zzzrow that's not it at all. I'm just saying it's best to apply wisdom. Many women are too mannish. That's my major point. I'm not saying lose your independence, no. Get a job or business or whatever and ensure you're financially independent. But when it comes to how you relate with your man, do not act like you're his boss. Let him be a man.
I'm not saying tolerate abuse, no. Refute it. In fact, walk away. But in your day to day affairs let him know he's your king by your behavior. He should know he is with a woman and not a man.
In the end you're still in control without looking that way. It is an art that many women need to learn.
@zzzrow I agree with everything you wrote.
I agree with everything you wrote about zzzrow. I hit the wrong reply button. She is creepy
I think the cause was primarily economic. Women didn't need men as much economically and many men face a lot of economic precariousness. Casual sex is readily available, so why commit and risk losing so much if the marriage doesn't work out?
Note that higher earners, who don't face this economic instability/precariousness, still have high marriage rates and relatively low divorce rates.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of this is confirmation bias. Let me explain- I used to feel this way too. I worried that a lot of men don’t want to marry anymore or commit, but that’s not true. Most men and women want a partner who is a good fit for them. No one wants to go about life alone all the time. I think there’s a subset of men who don’t want to marry, but I believe that’s how it’s always sort of been. Same for women. I think if anything it’s more socially acceptable for people to not get married by a certain age as we have more options of what to do with our lives and the social standards are more elastic than they have been historically.
Women are less willing to take on a romantic partner that doesn’t contribute to the relationship in a meaningful way. Women want partners, not men they have to mother. They are looking for men that contribute emotionally, intellectually and physically, and aren’t willing tel settle for someone who do not meet their needs.
I don’t think it is that at all.
If it was, I think more men would want to marry/approach women.
What you just described seems like an ideal woman for most men.
Well it’s pretty straightforward. Why do you think men are less inclined to get married and make that level of commitment?
Well, several people already alluded to what those reasons may be.
•Not saying the majority, but you have a lot of women now into selling their bodies in one shape or form, whether online or in-person
•promiscuity
•legal issues (men fearing losing custody of their child, wife taking all or most assets, etc)
It’s not like this everywhere in the US and even less so everywhere in the world.
This is specifically centered around women in the US.
So basically you think that men are less inclined to get married because they are now facing the same consequences that women historically have for thousands of years?
Not sure I follow.
Either way, this all can’t be good for men and for women.
Women, are reporting more unhappiness today and than women of the past.
@Subarugirl. Than why do so many women have fuck buddy's and rosters of men? Why are so many women willing to share a man with one or more women?
@embracethepain
@Subarugirl
women are prostitutes
(love of money root of all evil)
most women are evil
and will be thrown away
Men are less happy they there in the past as well... that doesn't prove anything.
I'll clarify, for the grand majority of history, men took no issue with women selling their bodies as long as it benefited them... no it's suddenly an issues because it is benefiting the people who own those bodies. If you don't want to get romantically involved with a sex worker then don't, but don't complain about how people chose to earn a living.
As for promiscuity, men don't seem to have an issue with promiscuity at all as long as they are benefiting from it, but when a women benefits and enjoys the same activities that men do... then all of a sudden it is a problem? There is a big double standard there, men don't seem to take any issues what so ever with other men being promiscuous, but when a women does the same exact thing... then it's an issue...… that is called hypocrisy.
Legally... apart from the last 100 years, before that women had no legal rights to he body or her children. Her husband literally owned her. You want to know why women are more likely to get the children and property in a divorce? Because she is more likely to get a lawyer, sacrifice her career and education to do the majority domestic labor and child care, which men tend not to value but the court takes into account when judging domestic disputes.
Men in other first world countries, generally contribute more emotionally, domestically and physically to their households than men typically do in the united states, where the mindset that domestic labor and child care is the woman's job is widely excepted.
@KrakenAttackin Do you have statistics on that?
@Subarugirl
men are less happy cause men have realized
women do not love us
even if we are hot
so most of your gender is pointless
and I do not give a fuck what these satanic men think
we are gonna get rid of them also lol
Leviticus 19:29
Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore;
lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
society changes or they will be destroyed
@landingout2 Lol let me get this right... most women are pointless because we don't love you? lol You do realize that being hot... doesn't automatically make you a loveable person... your character, integrity and personality does though.
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
you think that slavery is okay?
because the bible obviously does. Its also okay with abortion, as long as the man wants it, it's also okay with killing you own children if they are rebellious... you down for that too?
@Subarugirl
why are you talking lol
what im saying is fact
and easily provable
and stop talking
GOD never told the human race to enslave any human
just the giants
we are allowed to enslave and kill the giants
as we see fit
and no the Book Of Enoch says no abortion
it was taught by a fallen angel
and yes
we have to get rid of even family members
if they make the choice not to turn
Atheist And Believers, Would You End Your Family If They Wanted Satan? ↗
@landingout2 well the Bible says in 1 Peter 2:18, Saint Peter writes “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” It’s all right there in the Bible…
So you think abortion is wrong but stoning your child to death is okay…. That’s… logical
@landingout2 even though there is a literal abortion ritual in Numbers….. Numbers 5:11-31. You know the 4th book of the Bible, the book right after the one you just quoted
see if the human race actually decided to get rid of everyone who did not believe
we would not be having this conversation
and the verse in PETER is talking about a job
THATS WHY IT SAYS YOU CAN QUIT THE JOB IS YOU WANT
you don't let slaves quit their job
thats why they are slaves
@Subarugirl
Numbers 5;11
we have the right to kill you girls
if you cheat on us men
so stop talking as if you make the rules
CAUSE GODS WORDS PLAY OUT EVERYDAY
right now there is a girl on the earth being killed for cheating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mICWFTmE440&t=120s
@Subarugirl
GOD can take your kid if he wants to
your child belongs to him lol
@landingout2 then let him…. Your little book doesn’t give you any more rights than any other mythological fairy tail honey.
@landingout2 and what about the men? They are supposed to be killed for it too…
@landingout2 You better not be wearing mixed fabrics or work on the Sabbath either… those are your bibles rules too… but I guess the only ones you care about are the ones that gives you a sense of power and control…. Maybe try reading your Bible before making a fool out of yourself boy.
I have the right to judge the FALLEN ANGELS
I have the right to judge the GIANTS
I have the right to judge the HUMAN RACE
my GOD divided the NATIONS ACCORDING TO THE FALLEN ANGELS
so I will judge the nations
there is no escaping this war
non of you will escape it
it will be forced upon you whether you all like it or not
we forced it on DAMASCUS
and as you can see
thousands killed
and sent to GOD to be judged
GOOD LUCK
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qBeiNzJY6Ujq/
@landingout2 says who? Because the Bible you apparently know berry little about says not to judge others…. A few times.
Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Luke 6:37 ESV
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;”
James 4:12 ESV
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
Maybe try reading your Bible before trying to be a bigot with a moral superiority complex you fucking hypocrite
@Subarugirl
start at 36 seconds the verse will be there
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qBeiNzJY6Ujq/
Matthew 5:22 “
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment
I HAVE PLENTY OF CAUSE TO BE ANGRY WITH THE NATIONS
and you atheist
@Subarugirl
go ahead and label me the bad dude
@landingout2 I’m not labeling you I’m calling you out for you behavior. If you don’t like it then change your behavior.
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
but he that endureth to the end shall be saved
you hate me for speaking the truth,
you women are always like this
thats why less women make it to heaven
so worthless
Ecclesiastes 7:28
while I was still searching
but not finding—
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright woman among them all.
@landingout2 what truth? You said you have the right to judge others…. When the Bible in fact says not to.
I don’t hate you, I disagree with you.
You think you have the right to kill women, when in fact the Bible’s says “ Thou shalt not murder“. That’s one of the 10 commandments.
You said I’m an atheist. I’m not. “Thou Shalt not bare false witness”.
Do your self a favor and actually read the Bible….
1) you are not allowed to judge without a cause I HAVE A CAUSE
2) stop lying to me YOU HATE ME, YOU DO NOT LOVE ME
you did not pray for me before you knew who I was YET I PRAYED FOR YOU
3) I have all the right to kill any women who kidnaps and cheats
the fact im even allowing you sluts to walk around and breathe is a blessing
4) I don't believe you just like so many other men and women who say they believe
I ask them simple questions and they can't answer yet its right there in the bible just be quiet
you sound stupid
@landingout2 no I don’t hate you. I think you are misguided and misinformed, that doesn’t mean I hate you.
You don’t have the right to kill anyone and if you think you do you are delusional.
I don’t need nor do I want your prayers you can keep them to yourself hon. If you’re gonna quote the Bible then you should make sure to read it. Have the day you deserve. I’m done wasting my time with you and your delusions.
@Subarugirl
I just wanted to talk to you one on one but all these people invaded
@embracethepain yeah radically extremist religious Christians have the tendency to do that…
Subarugirl, you are really bitter for a woman of only 25. Wait until you hit 50 and you have two divorces under your skirt.
@ethanallen I think you are confusing bitter with not being a doormat. That’s okay though, not everyone is keen on social cues.
I was hoping you would educate me with some Crazy Christian Bible verses.
@ethanallen I am not Christian, so I don’t use fairy tales to back up my stance.
70 percent of women initiate most divorces in America. witch mean there is something horribly wrong with women today. we can't take them seriously anymore.
@Subarugirl We have the Subaru condundrum. You want the chew, but you do it have half assed. Act like you can do every man's job, long as you put in a Silly Nanny's worth of a wad, aka pouch. If you knew it could plant you side ways you may not attempt it.
@chicosuave I think you mean that 70 percent of divorces are initiated by women. If you think that’s messed up you should look at the statistics for sex crimes and violent crimes and who commits the majority of those.
Please tell us who. By the way SubaruGirl, your company makes awesome cars. Outback is the best car for my part of the US
@ethanallen all it takes is quick google search
@Subarugirl Lafayette, Indiana. Indeed. You should have pride. We all do. My Toyota was made in California. Where in my state some folks gave me shit? Why? Because Ford decided to make it's Ranger's in bum fuck Mexico where it was once made in St. Paul. We all do this thing, where my Dad took a kit Gun. In Smyrna TN. Mom sent it to him. He was hunting on Jack Daniels land. Doing it to it legally, he received a kit. A muzzle loader. Taking a dump on JD's land, whilst having off working hours, he blasted that deer, point blank.
The risks and costs have risen, and the rewards and benefits have fallen, dramatically at that. When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it.
All I know is I don’t want to get married. And if we can both afford it I’d like to have my own space… don’t want kids. Already have an 18 yr old and 14 yr old. I just want to meet a funny guy who loves music and the outdoors. He also respects woman and all people. I also respect men and all people. We can see eachother 3-4xs a week. And go on vacations. To me this sounds like a great alternative to the old school marriage.
Women used to need a man to get by in the world. Men wanted a woman, but they never needed one. Times have changed. Today women no longer need men, and men no longer want women, at least for anything more than sex. Such is the bed we have made for ourselves.
that's only a myth. Women never needed a man to depend on him financially. she could live with her family for the rest of her life and still work. women back in the 1900s could still work and earn money but they had limited jobs of course. that idea only came from the feminist. technology just made you more picky and undesirable for marriage. today 70% percent of women initiate most divorces. men dont want to commit and sign papers to something we are guaranteed is not gonna last. those are the main reasons. only smart men dont get married now in days. but one day marriage will be obsolete because men will not give that power to women.
@chicosuave I'm talking about pre-1900s. Whether she lived with her family (father), a husband, or another man/men, in many places women needed a man to survive because the world was a very physical place back then.
Half of marriages do not end in divorce so no, you are not guaranteed it's not going to last.
There is some truth in the other things you said.
Yes it does look at the stats. 50 percent of marriages end up in divorce but 70% of marriages are intiniated by women. Search it on Google and you will see
The typical woman gets drunk on power way more than men. Too many men gave power to women and now it's like that old saying about how power corrupts. Western women expect a man to give her the moon in exchange for nothing. Men have decided that it's a bad deal.
On a side note, in cultures where men kept their balls, the women are more feminine, traditional & wife material.
Perhaps the more interesting question...
What has changed within American men that have caused women to be less interested?
Women have made advances (feminism) but men (well, biological males) have not always responded well to the changing times, instead holding on to old privileges and to outdated and unrealistic expectations of men and women.
1) Fewer women are legitimately relationship material, leading more and more guys to get used to expecting to get less and less out of relationships.
2) More and more cost and risk associated with pursuing and engaging in a relationship.
The rational way to make any decision boils down to a benefit to cost assessment. For more and more guys, the potential reward is just worth less than the risk. So they find other things to do instead.
Modern women have no respect for men (and I mean men, not immature man-children), and no concept of fairness in relationships, which makes marriage a losing proposition for us.
Why would I put my future in peril when there's nothing to gain? Risk without the possibility of reward is foolishness
Not American but from what I see it seems to me that American society has embraced degeneracy... Everything is use and dump... life is one big dopamine rush.. Hookup culture is rampant.. Relationships doesn't mean shit... What's so special or significant about a girlfriend that has slept with a lot of other guys and will probably get bored with you sooner or later and move to next one... You're just a number...
The face to face meetings may be harder for guys to get on tinder because women get way more matches and live aprouches for doing nothing but looking good.
As far as marriages go, divorce lawyers are expensive. Millionaires seem to avoid marriages to save the women from the reputation of golddiger.
Im no expert, just sharing my opinion.
-woke culture
-advantage taking women
-self entiteled Karen mentality
-"the man has to provide" mentality
-justice system in women's favor,
-false rape/crime accusations
-domestic violence against men is ignored
-the concept of commitment & loyality becomes less popular
The know your worth movement gets my vote. Its kinda like letting a home owner set there property value when they sell. They'll think its worth way more than what the market will. Same applies to the know your worth. Most overvalue their sense of self. So what you get are women being super picky because because they "know their worth". Thats not the case and not the same thing as confidence. It gives a person unrealistic expectations. Thats my thought on the matter.
What has changed with American men to have no sense of responsibility, personal goals or ambition, or having a compelling desire for things without investing any effort? And then blaming women when they can't get a girlfriend?
Well I am not inclined to approach Caucasian women because they are more trouble than they are worth. I don't say that is a hard and fast rule but generally they don't like men being men so why bother with them?
I'm not American but i can imagine.
I think it has something to do with 3rd wave feminism and its push towards hypocritical nonsense that in practise makes women look and seem very undesirable.
Being unattractive and approaching a women can result in losing your job and even being arrested.
Thank the government for getting in between a relationship that should be personal. Once gay marriage was federalized, the meaning of marriage was destroyed. Not to mention it’s an extremely bad deal for the bread winner.
Please tell me how the meaning of your heterosexual marriage was diluted when the gay couple down the street got legally married?
Yet, you are unable to give me an example of how your heterosexual marriage is altered or ruined by the gay couple down the street getting married.
so, basic biology...
does it ever change?
or never changes?
Well, biology can indeed change. I’m no expert, but to my knowledge it takes any extraordinary amount of time for biology of creatures, as well their instincts to alter or change. Also, not only time but change in their environment such as the food, experiences, etc.
so, are you implying that in the same amount of time... only women changed but men never did?
Well, no, I’m not implying that. Also, I’m not saying this is a biological phenomenon.
This could very well be the advent of certain things in our environment that have made where we live so much more different than where our grandparents and even great grandparents have lived.
the question still stands...
do you think that only women have change but men have not?
or did men change as much as women did? according to you or your sources
Personally, I think both have changed, but in the context that I’ve outlined, I think women have changed more.
what are these changes that you or your sources have observed in contemporary men?
Well, mainly the changes in being less likely to marry, less likely to approach, etc.
I personally think these are in response to the women in these mens’ environment.
I’m not saying this is automatically good or bad.
I’m just saying what I feel like I’ve noticed and understood.
so, this implies that modern men are not able to act by themselves... they just can react to the actions of women
are women the ones leading the modern society?
Wait what?
I don’t think I follow
I’m saying, the reactions of men today, I believe, are in response of the women in today’s society. I’m referring to the US, as I don’t know how other countries are in regards to this question.
So, perhaps men are seeing a higher risk and lower reward ratio today when it comes to marriage for example.
Why? Well, it could be the recent generation of American women that make it not as worth it as a decade or more ago.
Same with approaching face to face and other similarly related things.
so, do you believe that all modern women have changed at the same time and they are all alike?
and all men are also all the same and have not changed much, they are just left to react to the changes of all women
are all modern American women the same?
are all modern American men the same as well?
or is it just fractions of the population... what does your stats or the stats or your sources say about this?
"are women the ones leading the modern society?" Yes.
@Jamie05rhs if that were the case... SCOTUS would have considered and listened to the majority of women (and men by the way) on that issue that a few men decided for all women in this country
so is it really women the ones in charge as a whole?
or is it just your personal case and experience, in which you personally feel like they are not "giving you what you want the way you want it"
let's be honest about that in here
@NathanDavis So you think society is run by the Supreme Court? Lol. Society is apolitical, bro. The government has nothing to do with it.
And as for me, I don't want anything from women. Real men take care of themselves.
@Jamie05rhs so you think the constitution and laws have ZERO and NO IMPACT whatsoever on the society... neither on politics or vice-versa...
none of that is interconnected at all... every aspect of social life and nation is separated as islands on their own
well, that's a very interesting take
@Jamie05rhs " I do not want anything from women"
have you finally quit on finding your perfect and ideal wife?
have you finally joined the MGTOW movement for good?
when did this radical change happened for you?
Okay, okay. I want to steal one of their members from their tribe. That is the only thing I want from "Women." There; are you happy? LOL
@Jamie05rhs well, good for you...
because the life and the trails of an incel do not seem to be the a very good one at all, lol
and God would not want that for you either, he would want you happy instead, right?
@NathanDavis Hmm; that's a great question! I don't know, man! I hesitate to assume the will of God. But I'd like to think that He'd want me in a relationship! (hopefully.)
I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? Are you a Christian?
@Jamie05rhs I'm agnostic
but I'm still quite sure God would expect the best from me... lol, and no less
@NathanDavis Nice :)
Usually dating tactics. Mainly Ghosting & vague to one-word replies, but also the entitled & manipulative women using guys for free stuff & meals with no romantic intentions, and the people only wanting to get together after hookups.
To summarize, social media has engendered women with hatred and disrespect towards men.
Basically. And that insecure men who couldn't accept "no" ruined it for the rest of us
Two things. Feminism and social media. Woman are not worth investing your time and money into.
45 guys have left a comment. It pointless for me to leave a genuine comment asking this. Nobody is ever going to see my comment.
It's not American women. People are marrying later and having fewer children in all developed nations.
It’s difficult to want to talk with someone that you know is likely to take an attitude with you and generally be combative and unpleasant.
COVID and saturation of divisive politics and ideologies like extreme feminism, etc.
Relax, the women are just fine. They have as many issues as we have and so relationships are not as very common until we get our things sorted out first.
I reckon American Women have been brainwashed by American Men, That is why American Women have become less Attractive.
It's not their fault really, It is the American Men they are stuck with.
"less inclined to marry"
"less inclined to approach face to face"
These are two different questions with two completely different answers.
If I so much as glance at a women it is a #metoo moment. Also , what man wants to get divorced raped in the courts?
They've been led to believe that they can have it all, they need to have it all, and they deserve to have it all.
Over sexualization and the internet has let to an uprise of sexual harassment and sexual assault/rape and it has cause women to feel more fearful from men in general,
Wow you actually pay for stock photos? Impressive.
The feminist/SJW movement. Makes women a land mine.
women are prostitutes
they have always been like this
they just can't hide it anymore
its all over the internet
they do not care about men
their judgement will be
what their actions deserve
Marriage: divorce laws.
Approach: beats me. I have no such problem. Maybe they suffer from low T?
Approach: the "unwritten laws" penalize most men who even dare try, so why bother?
Its people thinking they might as wel stay single/chill with friends
Nothing to do with women changing.
I disagree.
I think it is a little deeper than what you simplistically suggest.
What is the reason?
I’m not exactly sure, but I have a few answers. If you’re interested, look at what I’ve said to other users about what I think it could be.
I know why average females reject beta males and many lower tier alphas. Because they've slept with alphas. But why do males not approach? Birth control? Nope. Sex work? Hmm. No, they just want to chill and play video games. It is easier and as fun/more fun...
I don’t think any of that is necessarily true, but you’re free to believe what you want to believe.
I don't know whats true besides fun>
Quite frankly a lot of betas are embarrassed of themselves. Im a lower tier alpha and I am somtimes self conscious of myself... so yeaa.
Okay.
Career minded first and have children later or getting married later or maybe not at all.
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