Female student pilot here working my butt off to live independently and put myself through training. I am actually currently working in aviation for an airline and pursuing a commercial pilot's license (CPL). The goal is to become an ATP (airline transport pilot) for a legacy airline like the one I work for. And I'm single. Annnnnd I find that, while men are intrigued at first, many will make snarky comments to me about aviation (even when they have no association with this field) to try to quiz me/school me in an area I am very educated in and they only have a cereal box-level knowledge of. Either that or they warn me that it's dangerous (LOL!) when, in fact, I have trained so hard just so that it is quite safe when I am in the cockpit (I am licensed to fly certain kinds of aircraft in general aviation already.) It's so unattractive and it happens all the time and I lose interest soooo fast. What is up with this behavior? Are they intimidated? Somehow I feel like they'd respect me more if I said I were a stewardess.
+1 yWhy don't you stay being independent, why do you need a man? Men don't want women who act like you. It's not because we are "intimidated" we just don't want you. We don't care about your career or salary or height. We care about how attractive you are , how sweet and feminine you are, your age etc. We have different needs and wants.
Eg: There are plenty of passport bros in west who choose women from third world countries who don't have any education or job. Can a woman do the same?, absolutely no. For women poor men are considered very low value men and it's very hard for them to get any women.
Because women want men they could look upto, however strong and independent they say they are women want someone they could depend on mentally, financially, emotionally and physically. Thats why its very easy for rich men to get young women and Harder for poor men to get any women.
But for women its different, It's easy for an attractive women below 25 years to get plenty of high value men. But as they deteriorate in value m. So it's Harder for older women (however salary they have) to find suitable men.
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Asker+1 y"why do you need a man?" ... i'll ask you the same. why do u need a woman? could it be because you're human? hmmmm...
Asker+1 y"men dont want women who act like u" how do i act? lol you're a real obnoxious little anger bomb! reacting to me like you know me XD you are funny tho! thanks for the laughs!
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What about wast majority of Women in this planet who classify men according to his ability to protect and provide for women? What about that? Why is it easy for 6ft guys to get woman while it is harder of shorter guys? Why is it easy for rich man to get many younger attractive woman while it is very hard for poor men? Why? Because no matter whatever the "strong and independent" bs woman say they want a MAN they could depend not a man who depend on them. But men are willing to date poor woman, men are willing to date short women, we don't care about a woman's ability to protect and provide for us. We have different needs and wants. Women want strong and rich guys, men want young attractive sweet virgin women. That's the truth no matter whatever bs you tell yourself to make you happy. Welcome to the real world...
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Men don't really need us women much as the opposite. They are stronger, more powerful, stoic and are by biology more independent. A lone woman on an island is going to suffer more than a lone man in an island. Stop trying to push your feminist agenda with a subtle message that men need women more just because you are upset cause reality shows otherwise. Equality and feminism are nothing but false promises.
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5.9K opinions shared on Dating topic. I've also had a lot of flight training but not had the problems you are describing - but I'm a guy which is probably the difference. The guys that are bothering you about this are probably feeling a bit threatened by the whole thing and compensating for it by behaving as if they know more than you do - not people you would probably want to be involved with at all. On the other hand - it's a good BS detector and will probably keep you away from trouble., so there is that.
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Asker+1 yDate other pilots... i like this... and yes, i like that perspective (the good BS detector thing) =)
Asker+1 yit def does help. when i got my people i had some pretty bad lessons early on and was going part 61 so there was no one to commiserate with about a shitty landing or a power on stall at take off (my poor CFI lol!!) and anytime i met another pilot it felt amazing to hear about their shitty people landings, stalls at 25' over the runway, and so on lol
Asker+1 ypeople, not "people" wth auto correct
Asker+1 yPrivate pilot license* geeeeze , auto correct!!
Asker+1 yholy freaking guacamole! that is awful! yea go for it!
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So yes... I am flying daytime into SBA which has two parallel east-west facing runways and I come across the freeway from the east on a nice approach, and I am cleared to the left runway. So I land kind of slow but ok, and the mains touch and the nose is coming down and it keeps right on going along with a really horrible noise. I almost hit the throttle for a go around and then I realize that this plane will never land or take off again. I push the right rudder pedal to the floor to get into the infield between the two runways, and I come to a stop in the grass. I turn everything off and grab my flight bag and hop out and run about 50 feet away and wait for the cops - who arrive promptly and want to look at the plane - so we do. Prop is bent all to hell, the undercarriage is trashed, and the nose strut is pushed all the way forward (?) against the fuselage. NFI how that happened. NFI how any of this happened or why. Fast forward to FAA guy two weeks later who has seen the plane - he has no idea either but doesn't ding me. Later I find out that someone forgot to put a few bolts back into the strut flange.
I live to fly again.
"A good landing is one you walk away from. A GREAT landing is one you walk away from AND you can use the airplane again".
I guess I did good, not great.
Asker+1 yoh. my. goodness... i don't even know what to say. i was gonna ask if it was overdue for the 100 hr or the annual but i suppose FAA guy would have found that. they know everything. and if they don't, they'll find out!!
i'm thinking it could have been a bird. like a big one. one of those albatross birds that fly over the ocean... essentially a dinosaur. but then, you'd actually have felt some kind of impact. i'm seriously at a loss with this one. wowzers. a cessna, huh? those are usually great planes. very strange. i'm glad you're okay, here's to great landings going forward!!- +1 y
Thanks - it was a rental plane and insured thank God. I never thought about a bird until you mentioned it but that is an interesting idea. With the wind noise and the headphones on I might not have heard a bird strike, but I want to think I would have felt it... maybe. Since it was not retractable gear, it was already in the deployed position, so - maybe the lack of bolts in the flange and the force of the landing just bent it forward - I'm not sure- even that seems wrong. Even a bad landing should have bent it back, not forward. But there it was.
I have never flown a high-wing plane again - just nice low-wing ones. Cessnas float like crazy in ground effect as you probably know, and that just bothers me a lot now. The Piper Warrior is my favorite plane ever since - it comes down like a rock, and you almost can't stall one due to the wing shape ("Hershey bar").
Where do you fly out of?
Asker+1 yGood thing it was a rental. This maybe was some AD that had been overlooked or something. so biarre. was it a rental from a school? Yes I prefer the piper by leaps and bounds! cessnas never gave me a sense of safety during my private and i trained in a piper. those light quartering tailwinds are also a fright in the cessna. for my private i trained at KTEB.
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It might have been an AD but I think the FAA guy would have caught that hopefully. It was a rental from an FBO but not a school - luckily.
I like Piper aircraft a lot! Besides the Warrior, I've also flown an Archer (meh) and a Turbo Arrow which is a bit too much for me. What models have you tried?
I don't have enough experience in Cessnas to understand the light quartering tailwind problem - what happens?
KTEB seems to be Teterboro New Jersey. You are still there?
Asker+1 yActually i don't have much cessna experience. either, i just remember from ground school that they flip easily in light quartering tailwinds and that stuck lol. i am getting instrument rated as we speak in a warrior (well not literally as we speak lol) and also did my private in one. they are the cheapest! yes KTEB is in NJ and nope, I am part 61 elsewhere learnin to fly IFR in a pretty mountainous area. that seriously is a crazy story though about that landing strut. i actually thought about it today. very bizarre. i always pray before every flight and that reminds me of why
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An instrument rating is when people really improve their flying, or so I am told. I rarely get any IMC at all here in SoCal because it is usually so bad that no sane person flies OR it is severe clear and there is not a cloud in the sky.
Interesting about Cessnas flipping - and I definitely believe it. They have huge wings and a wing loading of around 14 lb/sq ft I think. Just another reason to not fly one along with that minor strut issue I mentioned.
I usually thank God after every landing for getting me home safe...
Asker+1 yinteresting about no IMC where you're at. maybe spend a month or so around south florida in a part 61 during the summer. good to always thank God for a safe landing!
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+1 yFemale pilots aren't new or shocking anymore. Pilots are sent all over the place and it's not easy to have a relationship with someone who's away. Pilots can't chat on the phone while in their office and they are catching up on sleep in a hotel when they're not in the office. That hotel room is shared by the way, so there's no privacy. Starting a relationship with someone on the go is difficult too. I think a female truck driver would have more time for her family.
I think there it's ac sense of arrogance with all pilots. "I'm a pilot. What's your superpower?" It's not sexy from men and most men don't find that sexy in women.
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Asker+1 ylol superpower? do u have any idea how much sacrifice goes into this career? you can learn to fly too. anyone can (assuming u have decent vision.) it is a skill like any other. but to be proficient and safe u have to eat, breathe, sleep, and shit aviation for a while. i think being sacrificial and sober and working one's ass off is not a bad thing at all, or maybe i'm mistaken lol
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Thanks for proving my point. 😂
Asker+1 yThanks for proving my point! XD
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Which pount?
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920 opinions shared on Dating topic. I don’t think they are intimidated by the job itself, but the fact that you strive on being independent can definitely be an issue. Men like to feel useful in women’s lives and you have to give them a reason to stick around
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Asker+1 yThank you!! That makes a lot of sense!
Asker+1 ythat's sweet and I dig it =)
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16.6K opinions shared on Dating topic. Having known a couple of people who worked in aviation, I've heard plenty about the promiscuity that is rife in it. That would turn most guys off, as well as your work schedule and your job's geographic requirements.
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Asker+1 yeveryone who know me knows i hate drugs/alcohol/"partying." aviation is actually my true passion and i geek out on it and wanna be as sober and clear minded of a person as i can be to always think clearly and fly as safe as possible. real aviators who care about themselves and others aren't ruining their brains and compromising their morals on a regular basis
6 moI’ve been dating a pilot for a while, and your post hits on something she has gone through more than once. It’s not that men are intimidated by aviation itself. Most of them are insecure… especially when they’re suddenly faced with a woman whose career is driven, demanding, and often comes first. And honestly, that’s fair. Her dream matters, and any man who dates a pilot has to be able to handle being at least tied for the number-one spot in her life… and maybe, one day, earning that place outright. After all, if you care about someone, you should be able to adjust and support her dream - a dream that came before any man entered the picture.
What I’ve learned is that the schedule isn’t actually the challenge. The real challenge is emotional maturity for both the pilot and the partner. When a woman is living her purpose, away at unpredictable times, surrounded by other (mostly men) pilots, working in a field built on competence and pressure, it takes a guy with real confidence and real trust to show up as a partner rather than a source of doubt. Most men don’t struggle because she’s a pilot. They struggle because her ambition exposes the gaps in their own self-worth.
For us, communication is everything. Quality time matters even more because we’re both successful in demanding fields. We value each other not just for the roles we hold, but for the passion and discipline we bring to our work. We share hobbies, we give each other space to grow, and we can talk about what we love without needing to compete.
And yes, the thoughts creep in sometimes. The worry about being second, the moments of wondering what’s happening when we’re apart — but that’s normal in any serious relationship. Ultimately, what anchors us isn’t that she’s a pilot. I’m proud of her for being a PIC and living her dream. But I’m honored that the person she is, the integrity she carries, and the trust we’ve built ultimately led her to choosing me. I trust she feels the same.10 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 ySome women may think that their job level intimidates a man but often it's the traits and masculine energy they adopt due to the job role that does it (often this happens invisibly).
You said 'I feel like they'd respect me more if I said I were a stewardess.'
Only if being a stewardess would demand less masculine traits to succeed at doing than being a pilot would. Ultimately anything that brings more masculine energy, traits, beliefs, actions or movement in any way to a female, will diminish her dating options. The longer this goes on, the less dating options she will have. Therefore ask yourself whether your job demands you adapt / adopt more masculine energy / traits in order to succeed.
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Asker+1 yActually flying demands many of my feminine aspects. Like intuition, for one, and having a safety-first mentality. Both men and women bring certain strengths and weaknesses to flying. There are, sadly, too many NTSB reports of impulsive young men who got themselves into bad situations. And there are also NTSB reports of women who were not assertive enough to assume the role of pilot in command. And I'm a pretty girly girl by the way so nothing on this earth or in these skies would make me masculine !!
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yTrust me men aren’t intimidated by this at all. It could be a number of things. First of all you said you’re training to be a pilot to be independent, so that’s a turn off right there. No man wants a girl w that type of mentality. Two a majority of men aren’t interested really in your career or how much money you make. Sounds shitty but yes most men don’t care how much money you make. Third most men know a girl in this field, or a doctor, CEO, high type positions, aren’t going to have much time for him so more than likely they won’t go for a female pilot. Fourth, it could just be their ego thinking as a man they know more than you, which they may not.
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Asker+1 ynumber one had me loling so hard xD so lemme just live off the g'ment or mooch off some family and not be independent (which i already am independent and wrking/moved out since i was 18) haha yea that's hot!
Opinion Owner+1 yYou’re not living off of your partner if he’s willing to do it, if that’s what you to agree to as far as what would work in your relationship. He relays on you for a lot of things as well. It’s an equal trade. But you know better. We’ll see where you’re at 10 years from now Ms. Independent. Women ask men, we give an answer, you don’t like it lol there’s nothing hot about how much you make. Not in a man’s eyes. If he’s concerned about how much you make he probably ain’t a good man to be w.
Asker+1 ynews flash: no one said a thing about salaries (except for u lol) and guess what? pilots aren't loaded. captains might be doing well, but they are at the top of the field i'd be a first officer for a while, i imagine. so if it is money you're after, you dont wanna be a pilot haha but there he goes again, a man with no aviation knowledge yip yapping about money and planes like he really knows something. well thank u for making my point lol
Opinion Owner+1 yEither way no we’re not intimidated. You’ll find out when you’re single, flying solo. You have this masculine vibe to you which is also another thing men don’t want. Men aren’t intimidated by women, women say that to make theirselves feel better.
Asker+1 yLmao XD you are entertaining as hell!
Opinion Owner+1 yThank you.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWhy do women always use "intimidation" as an excuse when they have bad luck with men? Has it never occurred to them it might be something else?
Put yourself in a man's shoes and consider what it would be like for him being married to and having a family with a commercial pilot. What would daily life look like for that family? What would it be like for the kids? And for the husband?
You need to understand that men and women are inherently different. They want different things from a mate.
Personally I would never be happy in that scenario. I'm not intimidated by it any more than I'm intimidated by a cloudy day, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't choose a sunny day every time.
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Asker+1 yeh... im starting tho think another commentor was right. i need to be with another pilot who knows what it's actually like in this field and isn't letting his imagination run away with itself at the mention of planes
Opinion Owner+1 yTo be clear, my comments and opinion had nothing to do with planes and everything to do with lifestyle and family.
Asker+1 ylifestyle and family w/ respect to this particular field tho. people in your field can get it and work it out with u better. def gonna stick to other pilots
Opinion Owner+1 yDo you ever plan to have kids? If so, how is that going to work when you're both flying at the same time and incommunicado? If not, what is your relationship going to be like? Maybe you'll be lucky and have the same schedule sometimes?
Your personality might be a bit domineering; I've noticed that airline pilots tend to have rather brash personalities.
In general, women need to get out of this mindset that they are intimidating men. It is a very rare thing when a woman intimidates a man. Most of the time, when a woman thinks she's intimidating men, she's really just being a pain to deal with.
Unfortunately, being a pain to deal with isn't quite the flex that being intimidating would be.
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Asker+1 yuhh no i'm actually very girly and fun. i make decisions in the cockpit for my training/flying that are absolutely assertive. but that's training/school in flight... now, see i think those dorky men i describe actually think what you think. ya know, the domineering thing (which is hilarious if u knew me)... and i believe they feel threatened by that skill, which is mind blowing since anyone with decent vision can learn how to fly
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI wish people would stop thinking men are intimidated by women who have certain jobs or are career driven. It's not intimidation. It's a matter of priorities. Most men are looking for a life partner / wife, and we know that women like that are less likely to be good wives and mothers to our children.
@kylee2437 also made a good point about men and what keeps us happy and fulfilled in a relationship over the long term.
But in any case, it's not intimidation. We just want a woman who will be a good mate and mother to our children, and we want to feel needed just like women do. And regardless of all the rhetoric about gender equality, men and women are and always will be different and have different priorities.
Don't let any of that stop you from being who you want to be, just be realistic about the implications of your choices to your options with men.
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+1 yFormer airline pilot here (regionals). Female pilots are too manly, end up getting fucked a lot on overnights, and tend to be very shitty wives and mothers. The airlines are not a good career for women who want families.
As for being "intimidated", no, it's just female pilots are often lesbians or otherwise overly manly.
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Asker+1 ylmaoooo! that actually made me laugh out loud, so thank you haha! I can't even take it seriously xD
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It's true. Don't believe me? Wait until you are working for a regional, you will see exactly what I am saying.
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If you want to party on overnights,. you can party hard, but trying to get/keep a man/family is hard. Do you really want to be away from your husband and kids for 20 days a month?
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@KrakenAttackin Sounds like this job sucks for anyone... not just women.
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@SecretsofKB It does suck. If you have a good trip and a good crew it can be fun, but often it's just a grind.
Asker+1 y@SecretsofKB lol that is how he makes it sound! he sounds unhappy himself and is projecting onto aviation. i can't even dignify those things he's saying with a serious response
Asker+1 yevery field is a grind. but if you are passionate about it, you do it for however long it makes sense. and if you have some kind of principles you don't relieve stress through casual sex and getting drunk. i am actually pretty religious and the kinds of things you're saying (and the way you're saying it) about all that debauchery is like another planet for me. i feel kinda bad for u that your aviation dream went so sour!
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Asker... You asked if men were intimidated by your desire to fly and I am telling you no. Also, a guy being a pilot is hardly a turn on for women (unless you fly for a major making big bucks).
Do what you want, learn your own lessons. Doesn't mean shit to me. I have been there, done that. - +1 y
Asker... Remember this exchange as you proceed through your career.
Asker+1 yanswerer... respectfully, you may have been a pilot but you are not an aviator. to be so sour about flying tells me you don't have any passion for it, and thus not a true aviator. sorry your dream went so bad. and i'll be forgetting this exchange effective immediately lol
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As someone who works in a field with a lot of burnout and a lot a jaded coworkerd, remember that they are usually just the loud minority.
Asker+1 y@SecretsofKB agreed!
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Deleted my comment, eh? Clearly you don't have a thick enough skin to work with men.
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And clearly you just don't have any respect for other people and find it okay to be rude to others... I'm sure you're a great coworker.
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@SecretsofKB You don't know jack shit lady. I read asker (aka snow white) who thinks she will be "sky god" (a derogatory term in the airlines) and I imagine all the political correctness she will bring with her. I can tell you immediately, many Captains will not want to fly with her. Just wait until the overnights when they "slam, click" her and eventually she will get a clue.
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Anyway, both of you can fuck off.
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@KrakenAttackin Sounds like either a toxic profession, or one specific toxic pilot
Asker+1 yhaha enjoy crawlin back into the hole you came from, you sour non-aviator with a terrible potty mouth!
Asker+1 ywho deleted a comment? i actually work (unlike u, sounds like you couldnt pass a 1st class medical with that obvious elevated blood pressure of yours) and was not online today. u hallucinating grievances now?
Asker+1 yvery funny u call me politically correct too hahah u don't even know who i voted for in 2020, and i'll tell u it was NOT Uncle Joe and Cacklin' Kamala hahah if u catch my drift ;-) but okay yea sure, non-aviator, i'm PC hahah oh please, please tell me more about myself hahah!!!
How can the stronger and more powerful (men) be intimidated by the weaker and less powerful (us women)? Stop trying to push your feminist agenda with a subtle message that men need women more just because you are upset cause reality shows otherwise. Equality and feminism are nothing but false promises.
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+1 ySo lame and immature by them. For me tho, absolutely not.
Also, good for you! Flying is super fun. ✈️10 Reply- 1.6K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yA pilot is a pilot & as long as you know how to fly a plane that is all that counts.
20 Reply 1.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. you're claiming to be independent. men are simply respecting your wish to be independent. has nothing to do with intimidation.
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Asker+1 ylol claiming? is someone else payng my bills? if so lemme know who they are XD they're mailing the checks to the wrong address hahahaha wow a lot of loser men (yourself included) are really offended by women who work and pay their own bills. is there like a sudden new demand for loser chicks who have no job? strange times we're living in hahah
Asker+1 yuhh yes someone who is responsible for themselves is better than someone who isn't lol sounds like you're one of those unemployed moochers yourself haha
740 opinions shared on Dating topic. I respect women who fly, and I know what it takes to get a Single-Engine-Land ticket, and I know how much money I paid and the training I took to get it.
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Asker+1 yIt takes everything out of you, indeed!!
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Got Air-sick-nerve sick, on my FAA exam flight test. Almost barfed in the cockpit. The examiner told me: "If you can land safely like that, I will sign you off"- and he did. The pre-flight, flight plan and all of that before the actual flight had me with an enormous head ache, and I knew I was in trouble. The doing the 'departure stalls", the "approach to landing stalls" - coupled with "unusual attitudes" at altitude, that finished me off, mentally and physically.
Asker+1 yWow! That's a very cool DPE!! was that for your private
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+1 yI would think that’s super cool because it’s a TitanFall 2 reference and is just cool. That’d actually would ALSO be a reference to my second movie because it has transformers that turn into jets
10 Reply only men who are intimidated by that are weak men tbh. I don’t really care what profession you do as long as you have pride in what you do i respect you.
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+1 yIt's a demanding job that often keeps you away. It's probably just as hard to date or keep a relationship with an airline stewardess.
10 ReplyI don't know any female pilot to be honest. but i think in general every girl must have her job she wants to have. even if she wanna be rockstar or figther pilot. or ballerina or what else.
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+1 yNothing wrong with being a pilot. Go for it! I wish you the best success. 💪
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+1 yIf by intimidated you mean not going to bother, then yes.
00 Reply 19.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. No, that’s interesting. My dad was a captain of the airlines commercial.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI can't see why that would be.
10 Reply8.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. I think it would be hot to date one.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yAs long as I don't have to fly with her.
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Asker+1 yas long as i dont have u on my manifest xD
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