How are short men supposed to survive the dating game when society accepts and justifies bashing such a quality that can't be easily changed?

[Jerry_Jay]

[Summeroflove]

By having standards and filters. A lot of people you just simply have to let go…. People who aren’t relationship material. People who test you. Lie to you. Don’t respect your boundaries… as well as frankly people who are great people but you’re not compatible.

That is dating. Yes, you will meet people who are amazing humans. But you will find you’re not really attracted. You will find that your standards or hers don’t align. And …. You move on. You don’t waste one another’s time.

But there are a lot of turds out there as well you have to sift through. Some people know how to present themselves as one person and they’re really another. Others you can tell early on…

[YourFutureEx]

Being a short man isn't as worse as being an ugly woman in the dating market. As a man, you can make up for your "shortcomings" by making fuck ton of money, honing your skills and getting successful. Heck, you'll do just fine by improving your personality and becoming a confident and charming person. Get a good hygiene, grooming (as per your face) and fashion sense and you're all set. Go to the gym. You'll get girls. Even if you don't, you should still go to the gym for your own health. There are a lot of short guys who are scoring multiple 10/10 bitches because they don't let their short stature hold them back. They have attractive personality and amazing work ethic and godly confidence in themselves.

[SueShe]

Where do you get your information from? I hope not from dating sites or porn sites because you very well know that the information provided on those hookup sites are biased and don't correspond to the real life.

I am not dating and not interested in dating but if I was forced to date, then it would only be a person that has a great character, personality and intellect. I don't care whether this person is short and chubby or high off the ground.

What I don't care at all is the looks of a person. That has no importance to me since looks fade with time but a great character stays a lifelong.

[Chazmatazz269]

All lies. It’s a simple fact of evolutionary biology that physical attraction is the primary trait for which all people with their complete faculties select. Any suggestion to the contrary is woeful ignorance at best. It’s usually a sign of false nobility through deceit.

[SueShe]

@Chazmatazz269 I guess that you cannot accept the fact that there are people that don't go by those rules and that use their brains to make their choice.

[Chazmatazz269]

🤣🤣🤣
You cannot defy your very nature. It’s evolutionary biology. And you’re full of it.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@SueShe, You must understand that men at large have different, mostly horrible experiences with women, therefore it is actually hard for them to believe in the existence of a rational woman who does not hate men for simply existing. Even for me, most of my interactions with women over the years looked like any attempt by a rational man to interact with heruncommonsense (I avoid pinging her in order not to bring the toxicity levels of this thread to Chernobyl levels, but please look her up if You want to know what I'm talking about). If You read a single thread where she is actively responding to men, You will understand why men are basically pre-trained to distrust women. If nothing changes, give it a few generations and it will be another, more short-term example of evolutionary biology. 🤣

What would be my antidote for this? Well, what worked for me was my faith and a few interactions I managed to experience with actually sane women to stop the spread of this mind virus back in high school, then high dosage of Shoe0nHead, Her female VTuber Reactors and Christine Grace Smith (for a bit of an "overcorrection" impact) to vanquish it. You as just another woman on GaG can do little to help in these cases. Go vocal about what You just witnessed. Put Yourself on danger for it. Show Your face, or at least a virtual persona, on YouTube/Twitch voicing support for men You don't even know. Get harassed, doxxed, get death threats from feminists for Your actions. That's when men like this will start trusting You. Make any of Your female friends do the same. Men need to see that there is enough sane women out there. Right now even I, one who believes in the existence of good women, believe there might be enough of them over the entirety of Western Europe to demographically safeguard the population of a country the size of Poland, and that's if we're lucky (as humanity).

[SueShe]

@Chazmatazz269 Can you give me a link to a scientific site or paper or official government or health authority that would corroborate your statement? Obviously, a porn site is not a reference.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Chazmatazz269 You are correct that @SueShe cannot defy Her nature. However, as an intelligent human, not some dumb ape, She can analyze Her own thoughts and actions and "manually" correct them. Her instincts will push Her to get attracted to physical appearance, but if She chooses to use Her brain the way humans are supposed to use it, She can second-guess Herself and adjust Her actions accordingly. This is because attraction is rarely equal to zero, therefore She can consciously choose someone She is attracted enough to desire him for a partner instead of just taking the first option off the list. I also do agree that according to all available data, most women cannot do it. However, if a woman is willing to post this kind of take on a portal where unhinged feminists like heruncommonsense (I avoid pinging her in order not to bring the toxicity levels of this thread to Chernobyl levels) reside, I would not take Her take lightly.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@SueShe, to be honest, if You'd trust a government/health authority, I have to admit You do have a few "reverse trust issues". The governments obviously have their interests in men and women hating each other, so they would never post anything that could end the gender war, and even if Trump is an obvious exception, He still has much more urgent matters to tackle, so I don't think His administration has issued anything of note in this regard, either. Your best bet is a certain blog I found courtesy of a certain MGTOW member I once debated (I hold off reading the book He recommended to me for a few reasons, but I did some research and the blog looks solid - even if the man running the blog disproves most of this MGTOW member's points Himself): https://therationalmale.com/ If this is not scientific enough for You, You will likely have to wait for Trump's administration to issue a formal document on the matter. At the very least, it's not a 🌽 site.

[Clara4567]

We just need to start to ignore what social standards say, both about women and men. I personally don't care if a men is short or tall, I am more interested in other features, like if he is kind, he is funny and others. We will always find someone to judge us for how we look or how we don't respect some standards.
If there is something women like are men who are confident, so short or tall, just have confidence, only superficial people care about height.

[Chazmatazz269]

“Body positivity” was never meant for boys and men. They want you to overcompensate by making lots and lots of money. Men with inadequacy issues are good for the economy.

[EzraIsShy76028]

It's definitely tough I'll give you that. When you have ANY physical quality that's deemed unattractive by the standards of most of society then the dating game will be A LOT harder for you.

Knowing that though you have to make up for it in other areas. Such as being strong physically and mentally, having a job that pays relatively well, being charismatic, etc. I myself don't know how to do any of this but I know these are generally desirable traits in men.

[aaron13547]

Focus on what they do have instead of what they dont. You are not going to survive the dating game if you dont love yourself first. If you want give your love to someone else, you have to first have love to give... if you dont love yourself, you have any love to give...

If you want someone else to look at you and want you. First you need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and like what you see.

Sometimes thats as simple as letting go of a limiting idea like the one you have.

[OneViewpoint]

Who is "bashing" short guys because of their height? I've never seen a woman do that. She may reject a short guy's advances but I've only seen women being polite with their "no thank you". And I've never seen any guys "bashing" another guy about his height. That would be an asshole move.

[HighValue]

I'd suggest getting a mate from an Asian country because being average or short in most White countries, you would be average or tall there.

[egan3141]

The same way every man with a trait that isn't the most desirable does. Use the traits that ARE more desirable, or get them.

[genericname85]

since we live in a monogamous society, that's absolutely no problem. cause the tall men can't be with all the women at the same time, so more than enough for the short kings.

[CalmUntilAbused]

The problem is, it's only technically monogamous. In practice, the short kings (what a cool name, I almost feel good being short now) will simply be cheated on with the tall guys. Unless we actually make every cheater, regardless of gender, face the consequences of their cheating, Your level of optimism will be ill-advised. Also, there are lots of "single" people these days doing ONS. The monogamy is no longer absolute.

[genericname85]

@CalmUntilAbused i think it helps to conceptualize it more like this: it's universally aggreed on that big tits are more attractive to men right? but the small tit girls still get laid. same with tall and small guys. so really this is absolutely no problem if you just decide not to make your identity to be "the small guy that isn't picked because he's small". cause it's really your decision that makes that a self fullfilling prophecy.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@genericname85 Unfortunately, it is very much not symmetrical in our gynocentric society (and yes, it is gynocentric, even women admit it - Shoe0nHead has a tendency to call out articles and takes in general that view men's issues as a problem for women with a rather catchy phrase: "men - women most affected"). It probably used to be better before Tinder became a thing. As of now, though, any "substandard" men are mercilessly left behind, unless they find a woman who is actually capable of using her brain - and those are increasingly rare.

[genericname85]

@CalmUntilAbused the only reason you feel like that is cause you use tinder. men that approach women in the traditional wy don't get this negative feedback loop. obviously you will get some rejections but that's not because of asymetry but because people are very diverse and finding a good match is not very likely.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@genericname85 Now that's quite a lapse... I do not, in fact, use Tinder (or any dating app, for good measure). I do understand how the world works and I know the statistics of these apps. The Tinder standards are spreading through the internet. Given that hypergamy is already a natural instinct in women, little is needed to make said hypergamy explode. Oh, and I also get feedback on myself - with the only women willing to speak to me in real life coming from the anime fandom - I suppose they are less susceptible to the Western vitriolic anti-men propaganda.

[genericname85]

@CalmUntilAbused well if you don't in fact use tinder, where did the conviction come from? like not to invalidate your experience but that "experience" seems to come from the internet, not from the lived real world.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@genericname85 Well, some of this data does come from dating apps, or rather the statistics they publish. However, most of my own interactions with women were also so cold from their side that Siberia seems like a good place to grow oranges in comparison. Any exceptions came from Christian women or women within the anime fandom. Since Christian women are painfully scarce, most of those exceptions were actually anime fandom women. Outside of those two environments women seem almost literally caustic.

[genericname85]

@CalmUntilAbused yeah i get that. it's not uncommon but i don't see the connection to dating sites. it just seems these particular women were just not attracted to you. i guess what you're saying is that women who live in your fantasy world seem nice. wich makes sense as they share your fantasy.

[afnan169]

It is not about she is selecting you. your mindset should be what you like about her to select her. If you don't feel insecure about it then it will be less awkward

[Nikki1989]

Are you still flogging this dead horse?

[Alex-Snow]

I'm not short but there are plenty of shorter girls who may be around the same height of the guy.

[msc545]

Even shorter girls want tall men.

[msc545]

They can't. They should just pay prostitutes for sex and leave it at that.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Whoa, that's almost Black Pill level of doom. I'd say look for women who use their brains for its intended purpose. It's not like being tall is rationally the best option. There are very few women like that out there, sure, but they do exist.

[blackeagle007]

You haven’t been watching “pop the balloon” on YouTube have you? That show mostly judges guys on height. It’s depressing

[Anonymous]

Easy, if you're 170 cm tall, find a 160 cm tall girl. If you're 160 cm tall, find a 150 cm tall girl, get it?

[AngryCarl2]

It's a jungle out there. Either go hard or go home.

[Anonymous]

Boo hoo society looks down at taller women, fatter women, and anything in between. What would you say for taller women who are viewed as less feminine lol?

[CalmUntilAbused]

If they are not actually less feminine (through feminist hatred and aggression), they will easily find men attracted to them. Watch some Shoe0nHead... There are men fantasizing about getting eaten alive, tall women could possibly play into such fantasies! 😂

[melssvdv]

Most men do not mind taller women
Fat women are celebrated by society. Or better yet, by mainstream media (which in turns fabricates society). This fiasco is called "body positivity" XD

[Opinion Owner]

That’s not true my friend is tall and men always make her feel masculine and i was personally fat and nobody celebrated me ever i was always shamed and body positivity started in retaliation to people shaming plus sized women, and i am celebrated NOW that I've lost weight all thanks to ozempic lol

[beefcakebradybatson]

I'm 5'81/2" and ladies still find me handsome.

[Anonymous]

The short person troll has created a new account again.

[Abbycado]

How many accounts does this make for you?

[In_Trance]

Date shorter women

[CalmUntilAbused]

Well, how about my case - any woman shorter than me has a 90% chance to be a minor! At least where I live. I would have more luck in Japan or China in this regard, I suppose...

[CalmUntilAbused]

OK, a quick correction - it's "visibly shorter than me". I actually know one woman who is just a bit shorter than me - apparently, She still wasn't attracted to me, but even if She was, in any kind of high-heels She would be visibly taller than me instead. 🤣

[WonderingManII]

get lucky

[Hellraiser1984]

Date a midget.

[CalmUntilAbused]

As long as she's not a minor. Where I live, it could be an issue. Any woman shorter than me has a 90% chancd of being a minor.

[Anonymous]

Find a short woman