Do you believe companies should hire on merit, or on inclusive balance and diversity?

[wittymilf]

I’d hate people to think i was the ‘token woman’ in an ‘inclusive based’ hiring regime 😂😂.

Hire on merit and skill

Hire on diversity and balance

[NamerOfStars]

Merit. Rewarding incompetence never ends well. If you're REALLY concerned about subconscious discrimination, then hire blind- give applicants numbers instead of names, and conduct interviews through typed text. Will you still have clues as to their identity from the diction? Yes- but it's not a certain thing, and can be faked.

Of course, given what happens to organizations that TRY blind hiring, and the response they get from certain organizations and movements, it's not hard to understand what their REAL motivations are.

[loveslongnails]

Weren't you though, sort of? I say sort of because many people get hired in your field with no experience at all in direct sales, or selling what you sell. It's very likely you got hired because you checked off several boxes. You are female, so you can relate to female buyers. You're good looking and have a great rack, so male buyers will want to talk to you to. :) It looks good to a non-administrative or office person who is female on the books too. But truthfully, you had no experience in the field if I recall, correct?

[wittymilf]

I was hired despite being a female, my boss had 0 interest in diversity. I just had 17 year’s experience in sales and am very good at winning people over. After I left he did send a company wide email saying I was the only successful ge mail hire they had made in sales and I would probably be the last 😂😂 I don’t know what I was supposed to take from that comment 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[wittymilf]

That’s female not ge mail 😂😂

[loveslongnails]

Ok. I didn't know you had sales experience. That's weird that you were hired "despite" being female - and you turned out to be the best. Why did you leave the job?

[wittymilf]

I was making big money for a while so it was worth the long hours and I could handle the environment. But NZ has been playing a lot with the laws around buying vehicles and carbon emission taxes and it impacted quite heavily on vehicle sales when the law really kicked in last April. You’d be paying an extra $4080 per unit in ‘ute tax’ for our top selling triton…. This caused a big boom in sales ahead of the law change, and then a massive crash. During the crash I realised I was then just working really long hours in a job where I neither really liked the environment, culture, or cars 😂😂…. And making less than minimum wage.

[CubsterShura]

You are assuming that people from diverse backgrounds don't have merit.

It's not a debate but a fact that certain groups of people are at a disadvantage because they are less likely to get hired, promoted, raised etc. Diversification exists to counteract that bias.

[xJeremyx]

The whole situation requires a two-pronged approach. Enforcing hiring by merit, but at the same time giving people from all walks of life an equal chance based on their capability, not just purely by desire for representation.

Good on you.

[jennifer_bloom]

Yeah I know being pitied is not a good feeling, which is why I would usually hide my problems and have people hate me for underperforming, I preferred being hated to being pitied.

[wittymilf]

Oh, do you struggle to get along with your colleagues? As a manager if one of my staff is struggling then I’d like to know why. If they’re letting their personal life cloud their work life then this is an issue.

[jennifer_bloom]

I work at home now but when I was in University, I had an anxiety disorder and a lot of trauma from abusive parents and people judged me for my pessimism and my lack of understanding for others - not knowing the root cause of my issues. If I explained myself they would have been nicer but I did not want to be a charity case.

[wittymilf]

You seem to have a good underdog the root of your problems, generally this results in being able to manage them.

[DJB72]

This hire for PC reason just ends up with shitty businesses. You only have to look at Eskom in South Africa. Or SA Airlines. Or any fucked up South African company. They all have one thing in common: they follow BEE policies for hiring.

I don't give a fuck if my doctor is black, white or green with blue stripe. I want to know they didn't only get 30% at maths. I want to know they qualify because they're good, not because they ticked the right demographic box.

Same with my lawyer. And my dentist.

[ZackBan]

I think interviews should be done on a phone call with a voice scrambler where the company does not know if it speaks to a man or a woman and has no idea what ethnicity the candidate is until they're hired.

[wittymilf]

Brilliant idea!

[ChiTown33]

Well of course I think everyone should be hired on merit. But we don't live in a completely fair world. And while I'm sure you'd hare being the token woman I'm sure you'd equally hate being the deciding factor between you and an equally qualified candidate being the fact that you're a woman. The way I see it, who cares why someone hired you've prove that you were the right choice!

[TrueConfection]

I don't know who voted B, but if I'm having surgery I want the best surgeon there is! If I'm on trial, I want the best attorney I can afford. If I'm having a home built, I want the best builder there is. I want my children to have the best teachers available. I want the best mechanic working on my daughter's car because she drives really far to get to and from her university. You get the picture.

[lightbulb27]

We always hired on merit. I hired many of the people I interviewed and quite a few were women and different cultures.

I really think cultural fit is critical and that may be where the issues lie. But that is more about personality and training.

I made a lot of good hiring decisions and a few bad ones. I should have trusted my gut on each count. lesson learned.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I think there's a balance to strike once you're hiring more than a couple thousand people. There are plenty of talented people and different races, represent different cultures which represents different ways of thinking and that is always helpful to a company.

That said, if I am trying to staff a team of programmers, as much as I want it to be diverse, it's probably gonna have a lot of Indian and Chinese people.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Money matters to a corporation. They should hire only those people that are useful to them. Hence, the merit angle is the one right, from my perspective.

Merit includes diversity, if the diversified groups, all are developed enough to have that level of education. And exposure to what the corporation needs.

[BCA6010]

The *only* time I can think of in which arbitrary demographics might be preferable over skills and merit would be in marketing campaigns for niche products that require specific traits, medical conditions, etc to be relevant.

[TroyDT2]

Merit, skill, but inclusivity can be part of a marketing strategy so it should also be looked at. Yes, I am that cynical.

[wittymilf]

It’s true though…. The “skill “ you’re after could in fact be diversifing 🤷‍♀️

[Alex8736]

most qualified, good work ethic, attendance and punctuality.. Someone can have a college degree but if you are applying for a job in accounting with no prior work experience and majored in literature the employer in turn will hire someone with a high school diploma/GED with years of experienced in accounting

[MCheetah]

I can't respect anyone who says a company should hire on "diversity." These people are what's wrong with the world right now and have no merit to be hired on, to begin with.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

If anybody expects me to hire an applicant based on words like "diversity" or "balance" or "politically correct" or similar, I might as well file for bankruptcy.

[Jessica405]

The main objective of a business is to make money. Money to invest and money to pay staff. To maximise turnover and profits it must employ the best people it can, without regard to diversity.

[madgoat]

Merit. I hate cliques so diversity and balance have their place but a company that pulls in inadequate people just for the lols is doomed to fail and it's stressful and resentful for everyone.

[AviatorTom]

Merit is most important, but diversity can also play a part in hiring decisions.

I recently worked for a company that hired more women engineers... just to become more diverse.

[exitseven]

did it make a more competent company?

[AviatorTom]

@exitseven company management thinks it did

[exitseven]

In private they would probably say no but they have to placate the liberals.

[exitseven]

Biden brags about having the most diverse cabinet in history. They are also the worst. It's hard to pick which one is the most incompetent,

[dustybiker]

Depends on if they want to stay in business. You need people that know what they are doing.

[NathanDavis]

I can't do without experience and skill... going without that would be quite dangerous

[inhua]

competency should always come first over likeability or inclusivity

[Still-alive]

these two things are not mutually exclusive you know.