Just to be clear, I'm not talking about MCU Black Widow. If you're not familiar with her abilities in the comics, read them below. Five years ago, I would have said that Widow would stomp but Talia got some pretty impressive feats in 2013.
Natalia Romanova was born in 1928. She started training at the age of 9 and was fighting in the second world war at the age of eleven. First trained by Wolverine himself and later by Bucky Barnes. She knows many different martial arts and is skilled with military weapons. She can lift up to 500 lbs and often dodges machine gun fire from a close range.
She has 80 years of fighting experience (which is 24 years more than Captain America). She can heal faster than Captain America and ages slower than him, allowing her to be in her prime for really long. She fought Wolverine and The Winter Soldier to a standstill before and defeated a mind-controlled Captain America. This was a bloodlusted Cap who wasn't holding back, but he also lacked most of his usual intelligence and didn't have the ability to think. Talia is also a lot older than she looks. She's used the lazarus pit which can give her eternal youth and can let her live for hundreds of years. I don't know if her age was ever stated but I'd estimate her to be in her 50s. She was trained by her father Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins. She was being trained from the moment she was born to be a warrior. I'd say she's smarter than Black Widow and psychologically more deadly. She can come up with many more ways to kill people. She's outsmarted Batman himself plenty of times and once turned him against the Bat Family.
She's also the mother and mentor of Damian Wayne, who was the fourth Robin. She once challenged Batman to a sword fight to the death in the batcave.
Let's just say that this was the condition he ended up in but she barely had a scratch.
She did use a sword that had poison, so all she had to do was get one cut. It was still an impressive showing from her.
Of course my girl Natasha takes this
I'm going with Ra's' daughter
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To be clear, this question was about a random encounter. Talia would definitely win if she was given enough prep.
I think this would depend on the kind of fight. Black Widow takes this if they resort to hand to hand with no gear. She was given the super soldier serum and is stronger, faster, more durable, has better reflexes, and has picked up and thrown motorcycles at people.
It would be a lot closer with armed combat but I'd give the edge to Talia.
Damn! If Talia can fuck Batman up like that, she's definitely tough to beat, I mean she fucked Batman up real good. But it makes me wonder if Batman had held back when fighting Talia though? Could Batman had won that fight but held back for any reason that got him beaten the fuck up real good? If he didn't and she still won, then I think Talia would come out on top for this one. I mean what is the toughest opponent or fight that Black Widow has been in and is able to beat and whether or not they are more powerful, smarter, etc., compared to Batman?
Well as I said, she did poison the sword so all she had to do was get one cut on him. She did that to him after the poison was affecting him.
I'm not exactly sure who the best one is that Black Widow fought. Captain America is what comes to mind now. She's taken on 100 armed men at once. I think she's beaten Punisher too. She's handled Psylocke, Viper, and Spider-Woman at the same time and single-handedly defeated the X-Force
So it wasn't a complete fair fight she had with Batman after all? But rather it was cunning, using poison with her sword. You have a huge point on unarmed close combat, since Black Widow would have more advantages due to the super soldier serum, as I figured that no regular human could ever lift 500 lbs. with their own hands without any kind of equipment. But what are the odds of that scenario ever happening in a fight?
But with Talia's cunning, I guess that's something to worry about, as she seems unpredictable. And you wanted this to be a random encounter, without each party being aware of the other party's abilities and potential?
Yeah it wasn't fair. She told him to make it fair by not using any of the stuff in the batcave, but didn't tell him that she poisoned him. Also, while he was dedicated to taking her down because she threatened to hurt the people around him if she won, he was also trying to avoid killing. So I guess he was holding back in a way.
And yeah this is supposed to be a random encounter. They're both good at assessing their opponents during combat.
Hmm I voted for Black Widow at first, but now reading more into Ra's daughter, I should have voted for her. I just know that Black Widow was bread to be an assassin and a triggered assassin, sleeper sort of deal who shuts out all feeling. I forgot how lethal the League of Assassins was. But I would love to see this fight, in thong bikinis in oil however... I need help.
That's what I said and though to LOL, although it wasn't exactly a fair fight, Talia was very cunning using poison with her sword. Had it been a regular sword fight I suppose Batman would have won like normal. So if it's a free for all fight with no restrictions on cunning and dirty or cheap tactics, Talia all the way, otherwise Black Widow would have a chance to completely destroy her.
Ooooh! I'm so glad I started following you! Thisnquestion is awesome and I love stuff like this. I am a huge comic book nerd. I would have to give to Talia though. As much as I love the non-mcu version of Black Widow I just don't think she would come out on top. I do think it would be close though and honestly could go either way.
Well Doomsday would defeat Hulk. I've seen more Superman vs. Goku debates than I'd want to do I'd rather avoid that (especially since I know nothing about Goku)
Sonic vs Flash depends on which Sonic. The video game one would lose but his comic book version has really impressive feats. He's managed to bend reality itself and and created many different versions of himself across dimensions. It would be pretty close
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I'm surprised more people haven't voted Black Widow. Whenever there's comic book polls like this people tend to vote for whatever is in the public eye more.
This would be close in my opinion. I think it depends heavily on what they bring to the fight. I feel like Talia would get more dirty than Natasha. Not to say that she isn't capable of it but I think Talia would come out the gate with dirty tactics. She'd also use more mind games. I think I would have to hand it to Talia but it really could go either way.
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Well I don't know.. I mean Captain America is stronger than Batman, but Batman does know more styles than Captain America.. But these are more impressive feats for both of these girls as I don't think this is something that they can do often.. I'll have to give it to Black Widow as she did fight in WW2, and she trained with the best of the best.. The Avengers..
I am only really familiar with Black Widow, and while I know the Avenger movies may not do her justice, the fact that Scarlet JoHansen does her SO well is enough to convince me to vote for her. ;-)
You know, I just reread your history, and if she was fighting in WWII when she was 11, she was fighting for Russia at a time when Russia and Germany were still allies. Raises some interesting questions...
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