Why is anime so garbage recently?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Anime has been great recently

Anime has been garbage recently

Anime has always been garbage

[SuperManiac]

I'm biased by nostalgia from the 80s but I think a problem is how they've abandoned traditional cel animation and the manga sources. When I was a boy, anime was "animated comic books". It was economical and often closely followed the comic books from a panel-by-panel perspective, which meant that if the comic books were very interesting in economical pen and ink form, they'd generally be as interesting if not more when animated on the television.

Nowadays I don't see them following the comic books so closely. They get more extravagant with the animation, rely lots of digital techniques including 3D modeling and animation and cel shading and heavy post-processing, and I think that tends to come at a cost and higher risk as far as the final product. It's like how Hollywood has become so dominated by CG and post-processing in ways that I think has degraded some of the cinematography, shifted less emphasis away from good writing, etc.

[SuperManiac]

Take the film, Sin City. That's like live-action "anime". The film follows the comic books on a panel-by-panel basis. It's really like a truly faithful live-action adaptation of the comic books:

https://youtu.be/T2Dj6ktPU5c

... And so the movie is interesting to many because the comic books were interesting, and the movie is really, really faithful to the comic books. And I think anime predating early-mid 90s was like that. It was very directly and faithfully adapted from the comic books. Whereas nowadays it's like they're getting looser about the original source material, and while that can sometimes produce a great result, it's much more risky as I see it.

[SuperManiac]

The entire production process in anime studios has changed as well (I worked with many before in VFX after they started becoming more and more digital). They have much more freedom in post-production with digital, but that has also often made them become a whole lot looser about conforming to the comic book panels.

[SuperManiac]

Of course, with Sin City, they didn't have to follow the comic book panels so closely. They could have done whatever they wanted, invented a screenplay that's totally different instead of practically using the comic book panel dialogues almost directly as lines for actors to say, shot it in color and made it look totally different, use totally different compositions for the shots from the panels, etc. But then the chances of it being nowhere near as well-received as the comic books probably skyrocket.

[SuperManiac]

Take the original Berserk TV series from the 90s. With the exception of a few changes like removing Puck, it's almost a one-to-one panel-by-panel translation of the comics.
https://youtu.be/IXL5r3n862U

Then compare to new one and the new one doesn't resemble the panels much at all. It's a much a looser adaptation just sort of using the comic book panels as a very rough guide instead of trying to follow them closely. From my standpoint, I don't think it even looks as good even though it required so much more resources.
https://youtu.be/0MIw4xzxcTU

[SuperManiac]

I blame CG somewhat though, not directly but CG often means less pre-planning is needed vs. traditional cel animation. It's not necessarily cheaper but it has that benefit, just like CG has that benefit over practical effects in live-action films. But I think that freedom to require less pre-planning tempts a lot of directors to deviate from source material, get carried away, plan less upfront, sometimes even reduce emphasis on great writing, etc.

[TenPoundTabby]

I dunno, but what the folks said below may nail it. It's really depressing tho. Also, mad kudos for the Toradora image.

There is a serious dearth of authenticity and heart in anime` the past 3 years or so. Everything is retread. Could something like Hime-Chan's Ribbon even make it today? Not enough battle scenes would doom it, I suspect.

[Dihiya]

manga synopsie/plot garbage = anime garbage
every dam studio that doesn't recycle ideas or use the same boring art and dare actually to take risks with their stories end up "faillite" (broke) like Manglobe (samurai champaloo and ergo proxy were one of their best creation)
Gonzo are surely going to close (they made Gankutsuou, and Hellsing, basilisk... etc)
and people like garbage, it works so...
our only hope is Ghibili studios now , may they last for years to come

[AlienParasite]

I guess that like with movies or many entertainment industries nowadays, there are more projects than in the past and are expected to be produced in less time than years before. This reduction of time affect script, concept design or animation.

However there are some recent animes that are still fine despite some other are meh or blerg :B

[CoffeeWC]

I love the classics. But I guess like with all things, time takes away the value.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

If you ask me, it's because there isn't much originality.

Anime right now has gotten to the point where the TROPES have become more like "mandatory guidelines."

There's always gotta be a catgirl somewhere. There's always gotta be an unrealistically tomboyish chick who's constantly hitting people. There's always gotta be the pervert who's inept at fucking EVERYTHING. There's always gotta be that one villain who's super powerful and interesting who is defeated by a terminal illness it's revealed they had at the last second. There's always gotta be moments where the brooding characters act unbecomingly goofy because fuck consistency.

You get the point.

The animes right now that I'd consider good are the ones which ignore those tropes and actually try to BE something.

[N192K001]

Manga, read that, instead.

Good anime started as manga and only got anime-episodes after reaching certain heights. And great anime would get extra seasons to reach ≥52episodes.

Now, stuff that would never have reached those heights can buy 12episode anime adaptations. So, finding the truly good & great ones is so much harder.

Meanwhile, checking-out manga should help you find the great titles earlier.

[cirno]

no way anime is still great! i believe in good things c:

[disgustingweebtrash]

Not really its been dry recently

[cirno]

I think its pretty moist 🤣🤣🤣

[disgustingweebtrash]

What have you watched then?

[xkildy]

You can't have any thing newband fresh with out having done it already only differently. You can only truly have a first once. So when they make the same thing over and over that's why..

[LordSnuggles]

Because there's a formula for successful shows now. They end up looking the same, sounding ths same, there's no artistry in that. You get shows that are meant to appeal to the widest base to make the most money.

[nerms123]

The whole point was to animate the manga. Once they got away from that simplicity it lost its charm and appeal

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Taiga Aisaka <3

Too much anime, a lot of it is garbage, its hard to find anime thats worth it.
I suggest revisiting old anime. I am watching Maison Ikkoku, and its a wonderful Rom-com anime.

[Secret6620]

Anime has always been garbage. Manga is where it's at. ♥️

[OhWonderland]

I don't know, but like, the quality just isn’t there anymore.

[UI_Vegeta01]

You probably haven't done your research. There are many great anime's out there. Watch Black clover. It's a great anime, last week was it's 100th episode and the fight scene from that episode blew me away.

[MysticDevice]

Anime is such and odd thing cause the Japanese have such a different mind set than us but yeah, it is hard to find a good one.

[WhiteShoulder]

Anime is cool. Wb Attack on Titan?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Attack on Titan is good but I think the 3rd season is a bit meh

[WhiteShoulder]

Ever seen Vampire Princess Miyu?

[disgustingweebtrash]

No.. what is that?

[WhiteShoulder]

Awesome anime series about a teen vampire princess. Check it out.

[beebella]

Anime has always been great garbage.

[disgustingweebtrash]

What the fk

[disgustingweebtrash]

True

[beebella]

I always speak the truth.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Correct

[NovissimumVirorum]

Anime has always been garbage*

[beebella]

@NovissimumVirorum Hater.

[NovissimumVirorum]

There's only one thing I love in the world and that is Liverpool

[beebella]

I'll put a liver in your pool.

[NovissimumVirorum]

Pls do

[beebella]

I will.

[ThisDudeHere]

Vinland saga would like to disagree with you.

[ROCKS128]

May be producers.
Story writers.

[PrinceOfAljazeera]

Anime has always been garbage

[BronzedAdonis]

I know the answer

[Joker_]

I agree

[NovissimumVirorum]

"recently"