Gamers: Why can't video game producers and creators give both the option for 1st and 3rd person shooter view points within the game?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I despise 1st person view. I want to see the whole body of the character I'm playing.

Updates

+1 y

Another thing: Under 1st person as a solider you can't hide your body behind walls as real soliders do in real life to shoot the enemy.

I like games as realistic as possible. In Call of Duty you can't shoot your fellow soliders dead (which the game should restart if you do) and you can't get hit by bullets a several times and not die nor walk with a limp.

Make the games as realistic as possible that if you get shot in the head you die instantly, shot in the leg you limp etc.

[HighlyVolatile]

I think it's one of those options that potentially have far-reaching consequences. The basic programming shouldn't be too difficult; have to avoid camera collision with walls and so forth but that's a solved problem and something big AAA engines probably already support.

However, it could change the entire way the game is meant to be experienced. Especially in a game that provides competitive multiplayer, it might be advantageous for everyone regardless of whether they like it to switch to a third-person view at times to get a clearer view of their immediate surroundings only to switch back to first-person to aim. It could start to become a competitive advantage to do this rather than a simple matter of preference.

I think it's a lesser deal in strictly single-player games, but it could still require level designers and playtesters to multiply their efforts making sure the game plays well in both first-person and third-person views.

[HighlyVolatile]

I'm with you on the realism side. Games with bullet sponges completely break my immersion, like a game that requires you to headshot a human soldier with no helmet 20 times before he goes down. I think it's a very lazy and uninteresting way to try to create difficulty is to just scale up enemy health like that.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I'm with you. It's why I loved Ghost recon. You get hit in the wrong place and you die instantly or the max of shots through the body armor is like 2 or 3 and you die. Very realistic.

In Call of Duty a solider has to get hit a million times before he dies. So damn unrealistic that saps the intensity of the game.

The more realistic it is the more intense it is and demands strategy on your part not to get shot nor your fellow soliders shot in the process if you screw things up with your ill advised movements.

[HighlyVolatile]

I think that's also what I like about those although it's been ages since I played games regularly. They reward tactics and strategy more, not like run around and gun like some action superhero.

I think in general I'm a bit allergic to the notion of superheroes defying human limits. I don't find superhero films so interesting that way when a superhero can be punched 100 feet into a building, have it collapse on him, and he or she can brush it off and be fine. Where's the suspense in that?

[HighlyVolatile]

Meanwhile, I love this movie:
https://youtu.be/vu8vML5TPVE
... it's based on comic books but Dredd is just a guy. He bleeds like a normal man. That film has lots of suspense!

[HighlyVolatile]

... oh geez, my bad. I pasted the wrong link. This one!
https://youtu.be/G-eI5oLlIeY

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's the way it should be. Soliders in real life use tactics and strategy when engaging in combat.

Not running around aimlessly getting hit by bullets 50 times and still alive to continue to shoot the enemy. 🙄

[NamerOfStars]

You want realism in the form of being able to see your body from the outside? Is astral projection among your talents?

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean- I've got Jedi Knight running in another tab, and can switch between first- and third-person perspectives with the push of a button. I'm having trouble getting the screenshot function to work properly, or I'd show you. Likewise, I have no problem hiding behind walls- I can't see what's on the other side of them, but that's MORE realistic than being able to; I can't extend my eyestalks to peek over them in real life, but then, I'm not a snail.

While it's true that many more modern games don't include perspective switching, that's because modern devs are lazy, and focus more on providing a more narrow, mass-market approach to players who don't really want a challenge. There was a video made several years ago called "If Quake was made today" (or something similar) that illustrated this beautifully.

[ADFSDF1996]

There’s games where you can switch between FPS/TPS. Elder scrolls, Fallout, PUBG and COD mobile (Battle Royale) all let players switch between first person and third person.

The changes these types of games need are the following

• No more slide canceling nonsense
• No more strafing
• Stamina system

[ObscuredBeyond]

In the strange case of Far Cry 6, the 3rd person only shows in certain camps. Because if it were an option everywhere, it'd be Assassin's Creed.

Also, first person Mortal Kombat would be... very odd.

Sims 4 does have a first person mode. However... it is seldom used, and often makes the game look terrible.

Long story short, changing the camera changes the whole game. Not always for the better.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

What about 3rd person lovers? How difficult is to offer a different angle of camera view?

[ObscuredBeyond]

Depends on the game, engine, and developer. Certain developers get into habits, and don't like their habits being tampered with. Especially when you consider how much work it takes to make one game with one camera.

To make a single screenshot panel render in 3D and look good, depending on how many crazy elements are in it, can effortlessly add up to hours and hours of editing time. I still remember a "Sodality: Instigation" concept art panel that I rendered in 3D. It took two days! One simple picture of Candi in her Lithobara variant Ciem suit, having dodged a truck being thrown at her during a battle in downtown Houston against Musaran, with debris also flying everywhere. Simply getting her custom parts to align took forever, to say nothing of the flying debris I had to edit into the shot! Then there was color correcting for three different styles of anaglyph, saving the two angle raws, the PSD, the basic 2D finalized export, the red-cyan export, the Trioscopics (green-magenta) export, and the ColorCode 3D (yellow-blue) export. I don't have the monitor nor means to make MPO format, and a wiggleglyoh would require rapid shrinkage of resolution.

Suffice to say, that's just to make multiple 3D exports of a single stylized and edited image of just one screenshot from a preexisting game and engine. That is nothing, compared to anchoring more than one camera into a game to allow multiple perspectives of the same resources, nor the work it takes to make all those resources, mesh them, assign behavior, texture map them, adjust light physics on each one, etc.

I designed the custom signs in The Sims 4: Oughties Big Rapids Living Stuff. And let me tell you: even making a simple 3D sign compatible for that game's format was a daunting task that pushed my skills to the limit. I have much respect for modders who go so far beyond that.

[Phoenix98]

Gameplay plays a large part in wether a game will be 1sg or 3rd person and some games are better in one or the other. And games are usually designed around either one or the other.

call of duty for instance is not realistic its not meant to be.

Stalker is a game where if you play on a certain difficulty the AI does start acting realistically and will try and flank you, use cover etc. because when it’s on a high difficulty you die near instantly but so do enemies and the AI knows that. So it acts accordingly knowing it can tank 3 shotgun blasts like it could on easy so it does it’s best to survive using tactics it wouldn’t need to on easy

But there are some games like the Jedi Knight series where you can use one or the other.

[UniquelyBasic]

It takes different skill sets and time and resources that some companies dont have. Fallout has both viewpoints but one is always more viable than the other. It depends on what kind of experience they want to have.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I'm sure Call of Duty company has the damn resources to give their customers both options. 😡

Call of Duty would have been amazing if they just give their customers to have a 3rd person option.

[UniquelyBasic]

They would have to remake everything to fit in 3rd person.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

But is its possible for when they make a game to have both options without making the game less effective?

[UniquelyBasic]

Usually in first person games the levels are made smaller to give you the simulation of being in a room but if you switch it to 3rd without changing the level it will be hard to see with that camera angle since the walls would be in the way.

[TuxTheAstronaut]

a lot of games are designed for one view point so adding other would break things. like when you make a first person fps game the game play like movement and level design differs between a first person view third person view topdown view etc

if your gonna have multiple viewpoint options it usually has to be designed form the start

[spiralshape]

It is like that so that video games can resemble real life, whether you are behind the person (in the case of 3rd person) or just alone (in the case of 1st person).

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I understand. Would help if they didn't have the character holding the gun in a constant aiming position. Looks fake as hell.

[TheMajesticKing777]

There's one game I know that you can and that's pub G and no lie, both perspectives are useful in different situations

[007kingifrit]

3rd person view is far less realistic and exploitative as you can see around corners without moving your head around them. changes the gameplay dramatically

plus many games might not want to render a character model

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

In 1st person you can't tilt, lift or bend your body around corners to see the enemy as soliders do in real life. That seems very far less realistic. Soliders just don't around crazy in war.

[007kingifrit]

i can remember some first person games have tilting and stuff. you should look into VR, you can do any move you want in a VR headset