Is it fair for a woman in a female led heterosexual relationship to lose respect for her spouse solely because he makes less?

[love_conquers_lust]

Wasn’t it traditional women who once said love is what matters? So why so much emphasis on money from a man in that relationship if he lives within her means?

Given the state of a-ffairs with Affirmative Action, how is a guy, especially white, supposed to not disappoint their spouse if the law works against them? Chores are easy and can be done in like an hour, so why is there still complaining?

If we’re going to flip the script on society, how is that supposed to work if women can’t get past their instinct to “trade up”? Why should I support that at all if I don’t see women stepping up? I don’t believe them when they say they don’t care about what I make. Even with the law on their side literally oppressing the opposite gender, they make less than men on their own. Furthermore, how am I supposed to find these women to begin with if the god damn law works against me denying me opportunities to be around them in a workplace? It costs fucking money to have god damn hobbies. Costs money just to live. Why does that god damn law exist? Why look to me? YOU stand up for yourself. Don’t blame me if you aren’t making enough. Don’t blame me if “there are no good men”. Where are the “good” women? Blaming other men isn’t a valid excuse. Take it out on those who AREN’T paying you enough, which are both men AND ever increasingly women. It WOULD be my problem by proximity but NOT my responsibility, I wouldn’t have control over that.

[Ozanne]

It depends on their own private arrangement. I personally know of a few men who have married women with well-paying professions, and it is absolutely understood that if he is home cooking and cleaning then there is no issue. Since these men do, there isn't.

But this sounds more like you wanted to take an opportunity to downplay a traditional woman's role in the house as it had been for decades which was to cook and clean, citing that "Chores are easy and can be done in like an hour, so why is there still complaining?" This made me chuckle since yes, you could very well do some dishes and vacuum a 600sq. ft area in about an hour. Try considering the actual jobs of housework such as the days furniture needs to be pulled away from the walls to dust, and the times the floors need to be waxed, the times you need to get on your hands and knees and scrub behind the toilet, in the toilet, and in the bathtub--instead of just spraying Windex on the mirror. Also consider that men have traditionally expected the same woman to shop, cook, and rear their children. Children alone take the entire day to keep an eye on, look after, and raise right.

You followed up on taking a jab at housewives by saying: "Why should I support that at all if I don’t see women stepping up?" So this tells me that you think there really isn't more to it since you yourself have no problem washing out your cereal bowl in the morning, so you can't possibly understand why women who stay home could be doing more.

If these roles are reversed, which I have seen in some relationships, the men either embrace the position as managing the household, or they don't. But it seems more like you are focusing on what you think are lazy women, and hoping men can get a free pass with what you think is doing basically nothing all day if the "roles are reversed", wondering why men can't get away with that.

[love_conquers_lust]

Yeah? Guess what? I chuckle at you for thinking moving furniture is as difficult for me. I frequently break weak ass cleaning tools because they were designed for women. I rarely use windex and cleaners because it leaves residue without adequate rinsing. If you aren’t a slob, don’t piss all over the toilet, don’t fling toothpaste all over the mirror, keep up with weekly cleans, then all you need is water for a lot of jobs. Don’t walk around the house barefoot and wear indoor flip flops, rinse your fucking dishes before the dishwasher, dust THEN fucking vacuum. Do kitchen countertop work, THEN clean the floors. You minimize mess. I won’t discuss all the outdoor shit. You ever see the average lawn of a woman owned house who doesn’t pay for it to be done? So, they’re is GOING TO BE laying around because there isn’t anything to be done.

Children are an entirely different animal. It takes a ton a patience for me with those little fuckers. That right there is an inherent gender difference. I don’t know how to fix that one or how prevalent it is amongst guys. And if I can’t fix that, I guess I can’t expect a woman to fix their trade up mentality either.

That wasn’t a jab at housewives specifically, it was directed at women who make more money as the title suggests. You just took a jab yourself with the washing out the cereal bowl comment, and quoted out of context missing the message.

[love_conquers_lust]

You think it SEEMS I want to see what I get away with, huh. Well, back at you with dropping a guy to “trade up”. I’ve seen a lot of you in the workplace, too. You aren’t the assbusters you think you are. You might be trying hard for YOU, but it doesn’t measure up to someone bigger than you.

My complaint is probably the same as traditional housewives, don’t punch down at home if you are afraid to punch up at work. I don’t think you and I would disagree on this. And my other point is, I think there are a lot of women out there who aren’t honest with the games they play because they bite off more than they can chew when they try to support a family and look for a reason to blame someone else when it exhausts them. WITH the law on their side.

[Ozanne]

This is an awful lot of triggered. It speaks volumes, therefore I rest my case.

[love_conquers_lust]

Energy, sweetheart. It speaks to my points. Rest your case on that.

[Ozanne]

Okay, bud. Excuse me while I go mow the lawn now. /eyeroll

[love_conquers_lust]

My case, rested. Don’t look down on house spouses. By the way, “sweetheart” was an ass comment. So was saying my triggeredness speaks volumes.

Grass doesn’t grow in the concrete jungle. Or if you did have one or reside outside of a city center, I bet it’s one of those pussy 1/2 acre lots. 3rd, I bet there are so many fucking weeds, critters, branches, grass overtaking gravel, sticks, with little to no curb side appeal. “What do you mean no one will buy at my asking price?”. At least you’ll save on taxes for a house appraisal. Can’t wait for the next housing market collapse.

[Anonymous]

If she is leading as in being the breadwinner, out of the house for work while guy gets most of the house chores, makes dinner etc. then she can't expect the man to make as much as she does. If he works as hard as she does for money they can't be in that dynamic where he takes care of the home for her. She can expect like a part time but that's it. Works the same with genders reversed I think. If I earned a lot of money I could consider this type of relationship

[Anonymous]

Yes, but nature is unfair, and nature is the reason women lose respect for men in those scenarios. Hypergamy is not something women consciously choose to be slaves to, but they are nonetheless.

[love_conquers_lust]

If they’re slaves to it, then feminism has to be shunned.

[Opinion Owner]

What does feminism have to do wiuth hypergamy?

[love_conquers_lust]

It’s about equality. If women can’t look past income status and treat men as human beings with roles flipped, feminism doesn’t work, because they’re not following its tenets weaponizing the positive aspects. We shouldn’t hand over the keys of society to women by bringing them into the fold if all they’re going to do is pass us around like peace pipes while we don’t where our next meal is going to come from. You will be eventually screwed, figuratively and literally, and there won’t be any men left that satisfy their requirements if every dude is a stay at home spouse. The law in the US is fucking set up that way.

Have vision, and see what the end game is.

[Opinion Owner]

No one is going to hand over the keys of society to women. That will never happen.

[love_conquers_lust]

It’s fucking pernicious law, dude. If you’re a minority, you wouldn’t have a clue what I’m talking about. They don’t need to be physically stronger than men to do it anymore. The only way that reverses is if modern society is undone, they won’t allow that.

[Anonymous]

Fair no but usually it is for other reasons also like being lazy not doing chores just laying around...

[love_conquers_lust]

“Also”? Then I can’t trust you to lead shit. Leaders know how to follow. You don’t deserve to be head of anything with that belief. There is NOTHING in it for me to be punished for supporting a woman who ends up making more and more. It threatens my survival. You SHOULD be making less and you should get a back seat. You can’t be trusted with the well being of another human. If this is prevailing opinion amongst women, women can’t be trusted with the future of humanity.

[Opinion Owner]

Well most women can't lead and just are so bad at it taking it all personally. Women supervisors are the worst!
Constantly doing tiny power plays

[Jkgordon]

No of course not that’s a phony female