Why do women complain there are no good men but when one comes along they pass them by simply because the man makes less money?

[coachTanthony]

Not talking about the extreme where the man is broke. She just simply makes more.

[Screenwriter]

Sexism at its finest. People have been brainwashed to believe a man has to make more money than the woman. She thinks because he doesn't, maybe he's a failure, or what will people think?, but doesn't take into account what business he's in (say a musician, starting out), or what his long-term prospects are.

If it's OK for the woman to make less, it's equally OK for a man to make less. A rational couple who love each other and plan can work out such differences in salaries.

My mother, who had a master's degree shortly after she married, made the same salary as my father, who'd only graduated high school, then junior college, much later. Was she a failure? With all that education? Or was my dad because in 1953, my mom earned a master's degree and made as much as he did?

My parents pooled their resources and worked together to achieve goals they both agreed on.

This is the only way to approach whoever has the higher or lower income, no matter who it is.

A man's worth is not solely measured by what income he makes, and if this is the only measure a woman can make of a potential mate, she has her values screwed up and should be avoided.

[coachTanthony]

Yup.

[davado88]

screenwriter have you written any movies idve heard of

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

It's actually a fact why don't you Google it

[Screenwriter]

@davado88 nope. I keep dabbling at it and have a few that might work. But, trying to get a book of poetry written first.

[Screenwriter]

@SUMAIREBRAHIM What is actually a fact. That this is how women measure men? If it is, it's a sad one, and needs to change. Men don't measure women that way. If they did, a lot of women would never get a man. Raising children is not a full-time job. There is loads of down time, especially when they're in school. House wifery doesn't add up to so many hours either. Unless you have very many children, which most families don't.

[davado88]

that's probably because men invented labour saving machines for housewives.
So theyd have time to watch their stories and other important things

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

Men too have standards but it's not as complex as women, nor do they have high expectations compared to women, men are attracted solely on beauty and money n resources generation is not important to men but looks matter significantly

[Rei13]

I have no idea. I know for awhile my sister made more than her husband and she didn’t leave him, and now he makes more than her. I’ve dated men that made less than me (but would prefer around the same range as me, even if it is a little less) or were unemployed when we started dating and they found something better later. My closest friends would also date men if they made less than them. So it might just be situational on the person. If the woman makes 50k a year and the guy makes 40k it isn’t a huge difference, but if he made 20k with no drive to do better that might be an issue

[Anonymous]

This is not a slight against women. But most women's problem when it comes to dating is thier sky high expectations. They look at every guy they meet as "no assembly required". Yes the bones have to be there with a quality guy don't get me wrong. But some guys have a lot potential just not the focus yet. They have the drive, but not the map to success yet. This is why I smirk whenever I read a post where a woman proclaims "he needs to make at least 50k a year". Because I was lucky to make half that when I was thier age (granted wages were lower then, but not drastically. I do feel for kids trying to make it in life financially nowadays). But the point is I NEVER lacked drive. I was always going to succeed because I was never going to quit till I did.

I think too many young women today paint a false picture of the perfect guy not realizing that most things in life you can't predict or account for. It's not going to be the punch you see coming that's going to knock you off your feet most the time so to speak. But the guy to have is the guy who keeps getting back up, learning from it, adapts and overcomes.

[Opinion Owner]

Women need to understand a guy's CHARACTER is paramount to his wage. Wages can be lost character won't. A guy with character will always find a way to get it done or he won't rest till he does. Because quitting is not in him.

[Lionman95]

Firstly who a "good man" is easier to be figured out when you´re a guy and vice versa. More important it´s a question of expectations she probably wants a guy that makes her feel safe. If he makes less than her she´s the breadwinner and that puts her in a situation she might not want to be in since she wants the guy to be the provider.

I get both positions and I think it´s going to be a challenge for guy´s in the future when women get paid more.

[coachTanthony]

Good points

[Lionman95]

Thanks but I´m just guessing.

[coachTanthony]

Others will decide …. All about different perspectives

[Lookingforthetruth]

Good man for a woman is a man who excels in 1 or more of the above areas:

1. Looks (Height, face, race, bone/skeletal frame work)

2. Social Status (Popularity, job status, social circle, family status, social connections)

3. Money (Property, physical wealth, networth)

With one of these areas being primary of what she's most interested in.

[Lionman95]

Thanks for the MHO and for the question because it´s one that got me thinking and I liked that.

[Avicenna]

LOL, that's because one of her main critieria IS that he make more money than her!

[coachTanthony]

Women make their own money now and somehow still base a good man on what? Money lol

[Avicenna]

Yes, they usually still do. Plenty of exceptions, but it's very much how they judge men. I've heard some say it's because they think they'll be stuck supporting the guy.

[coachTanthony]

It’s always worst case scenario lol

[Avicenna]

But it's really part of hypergamy. And if he makes a lot, she'll find something else. My sister (who is 5'9), has complained that her surgeon husband (she's a doctor too) was "only" 5'11 and is the shortest male in his family.

[coachTanthony]

True but to replace her surgeon husband with another surgeon that’s taller is always harder than it looks…. but you’re right it’s in their DNA to try

[Avicenna]

At this point, she knows she can't (when she said that she was 28 and they were about to get married, now she is 49 and has two kids). He's a great guy, she probably could not have done better than him.

[blueonblack22]

Women are attracted to challenge. The only ones who aren’t are the ones who are extremely inflexible and want to completely dominate a whipped man.

But also most women (including western women) at least subconsciously want to be taken care of (some consciously). So the rich and arrogant asshole obviously has top dibbs. Even if he is unattractive.

Anyway as for women having subconscious entitlement. This from thousands of years of evolution. Women depended on men to protect and provide for them. It’s not like they have miraculously snapped out of DNA programming given our world has changed.

Some women consciously believe they don’t need or want men for money. They say that and talk is cheap. They might actually believe it themselves. But the subconscious is stronger then the conscious mind. It’s where attraction is determined.

[LazerBean]

The same reason men complain that most women are bad while refusing to be the kind of man that attracts good women.

A little bit of stupidity, a little bit of fatherlessness, and a whole lot of entitlement.

[Billlewis]

Oh my goodness... here is yet another perfect, accurate bullseye answer from one of my absolute favorite people in the whole world...

[DizzyDesii]

I’ve only turned a dude down for having too much money if we’re keeping it real. He daw it as a way to control me but I’m not materialistic so his plan backfired. I have never turned down a dude for being broke nor making less than me. Money isn't a factor unless we’re looking to get engaged or married. And by that, I’m saying I dont need to know his income unless I’m going to be moving in with him which would not happen unless engaged or married

[Anpu23]

The issue is in definition, most say they want a "good man," but really can't define what they mean by that. Or if they can many guys simply don't get what they mean. So what you or I may think of as a "good man," may not necessarily fit the definition of some women.

[AnusNdaPainus]

We all know what a good man is women know a good man when they get them

How else would they know which men were the toxic ones they love if they didn’t know which men were the good ones

[Lookingforthetruth]

Good man for a woman is a man who excels in 1 or more of the above areas:

1. Looks (Height, face, race, bone/skeletal frame work)

2. Social Status (Popularity, job status, social circle, family status, social connections)

3. Money (Property, physical wealth, networth)

With one of these areas being primary of what she's most interested in.

[BourbonAndBacon]

He's not good enough. A woman can say that they would date someone who makes less money but the reality is that they would rather not. Every guy with a good income knows that you have way more options when you make more money.

[lightbulb27]

I've not seen that. my guess is the money is not the issue, it's how he is carrying /projecting himself. She shoots his lame ass down in 2 seconds because of whom he thinks he is.

women have different criteria than men, have to accept that.

there are a lot of men out there, some good. most men are not well trained or coached imho and women have to pick through that mess to find one worthy. need a men's revival...

stop blaming women for being women. com.

[Lookingforthetruth]

simping HARD

[inhua]

they want to stretch out the definition of a "good man"

though you can thank feminism for painting a false narrative that all men are potential creeps, murderers or rapists until proven otherwise

guilty until proven innocent is the way of the western gynocentric social order

[EmyyWolf]

When they mean “there are no good men” or “where have all the good men gone”.

THEY MEAN MEN WITH HIGH TESTOSTERONE.

[DextroShade]

The more money a man makes, the more options he has; the more money a woman makes, the less options she has. Even basic women think they are better than average earning men, many of whom would have been good partners. But because they were fucked by a blue check that one time they think they entitled to commitment from that level of man instead of the average guys who are truly at their level.

[LiamJHayden]

Because those "good men" do not meet their other preferences.

[coachTanthony]

Yeah probably money or height in either order lol

[AnusNdaPainus]

Women don’t care about men who actually love them

women today are entirely too selfish for relationships

they just want the fantasy life in their heads

[coachTanthony]

Some don’t for sure

[AnusNdaPainus]

Of course but too many of them do

this generation of women isn’t marriage material can you imagine how frustrating that is for men who worked hard to build themselves up and become successful only to end up left with women we can’t start families with

[Lookingforthetruth]

Women's criteria of good is not the same as men criteria as good. When men think of good, they think of good morals and values, hard working, kind, respectful etc.

When women think of good, they think of:

1. Looks (Height, face, race, bone/skeletal frame work)

2. Social Status (Popularity, job status, social circle, family status, social connections)

3. Money (Property, physical wealth, networth)

[whirled_up_girl]

I don't know I've never refused to date a guy because he made less money then me.

[Bricealan]

Well, Coach, I guess that depends on what a woman classifies as "a good man" ?

[Lookingforthetruth]

Good man for a woman is a man who excels in 1 or more of the above areas:

1. Looks (Height, face, race, bone/skeletal frame work)

2. Social Status (Popularity, job status, social circle, family status, social connections)

3. Money (Property, physical wealth, networth)

With one of these areas being primary of what she's most interested in.

[AmyHew1tt]

Only ever seen that happen with immature people who don't actually know what they want. The female versions of guys who complain about no good women and then choose the better-looking one instead.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Women coddle enough insecurities of the men they date. They don’t need to deal with him getting a new one in the form of “she needs to make less so I can feel better.”

[coachTanthony]

Lol hey there are more unhappy single women today then ever before and this kind of thinking is exactly why

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You’re not really suggesting that it’s a woman’s fault, are you?

[coachTanthony]

Plenty of great guys out there with all the qualities that a woman would want in modern day society but they still pass on them because they are biologically still choosing money even if they make there own today. It’s a sad state.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I agree it’s sad but also women are not to be blamed for standards being raised after it’s no longer good enough for men to just be a decent human being like everyone else should be

[exitseven]

Their definitio of a good man is not the same as your definition of a good man.

[Nikki1989]

My husband didn't even have a job when I met him. Money is not important.

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

What's his height?

[msc545]

Because women care more about money than they do. Anything else. Preferably money they don't have to earn.