The Case Against Makeup (And Why it Sucks)

[Anonymous]

More and more frequently, we're seeing men who boldly testify that they prefer women (read: generalized statement) to wear little to no makeup.

Personally, I don't believe this is the case at all. I think men have been grossly mislead about what natural women truly look like without a drop of makeup and that really, what a man wants is actually a woman who doesn't need to wear makeup to look attractive.

On average, a woman will fall into the 4-6 range on the attractiveness scale, but if done correctly and subtly, she can bump herself up to a 7 or 8 with makeup applied. Men may not even realize a pretty girl is wearing makeup until they see her without it, which might garner an internal reaction equal to that of a toddler whose mind is blown away when Uncle Ricky "steals" the nose right off his face.

It might be an unpopular notion to consider, but you may actually like makeup to an extent since you've been so thoroughly tricked by the "no-makeup" makeup look to think that a girl's natural face is when she's wearing concealer, perhaps foundation, mascara, blush, bronzer, and tinted lip gloss.

This is just a theory, but overall, it's probably most accurate to say that you don't want the average woman without makeup, you want a beautiful woman whose looks are only sullied by the addition of various goo products.

[newbie2015]

Did you know all men like flat chested women in sweat pants too?

I agree 110%. For men who deny this, they clearly are too stuck up to deign to date us girks who occasionally sport 2 or 3 massive pimples during pms. They probably have never seen a true natural look, like when their wives are in labor (really not ranked up their with black tie look). Every model in sports illustrated swim is caked with gobbs of makeup, but most men know little about makeup art or even lighting. I mean how many times have you asked a boyfriend to take a pic of you and he picks the worst angle with the worst lighting.

I often wonder if men not liking made up looks has to do with them not wanting a woman to expect it from them. I mean, really, doesn't a part of "high maintenance" involve a oerson expecting their partner to be maintaining themselves too? And thats an expectation. If a women stays, plump, zitty, and a bit rough a guy can say not much is expected of him either.

[Pamina]

I completely agree with your theory. I think the vast majority of men who proclaim they prefer no make-up at all, don't really know what that actually looks like usually, and it's in fact sublte make-up (or "no-make-up make-up") that they really prefer.

[Benedek38]

The thing about these makeup/nomakeup photos is that they are taken directly after washing off the makeup.
Which stuffs your pores full of stuff gunk.
Which leads to red pimple-like swollens pores all over your face.

If you really want to compare makeup to no makeup, go a few days, maybe a week without it.
I guarantee that it will look a lot better.

I personally value myself as someone who can recognize natural makeup too, but I agree that people's perception is fucked. The thing is however - that the average "rating" of women didn't actually change - thus with makeup, the average woman is a 7.5, which means average men have no chance.
But since not every woman can get 7+ guys, the majority of them will be left alone.

Makeup if bad for everyone.

[myTake Owner]

Different types of makeup has different effects for each individual, but in general, if you're wearing products that don't irritate your skin and you thoroughly wash and care for your skin at the end of the day, it's fine. I have pretty persistent acne, and don't wear makeup that often, but it never worsens just because I wear some stuff for a couple hours.

[Benedek38]

Hey, I don't know. All I know is that it is not natural to have such a spotty skin. I am a guy, and I have smoother skin normally.

[TeaGirl]

The fact that you usually have smoother skin doesn't exclude her possibility to have acne. It doesn't mean someone doesn't care for their skin, acne can also be triggered by hormones or even genes.

[Benedek38]

@TeaGirl
"The fact that you usually have smoother skin doesn't exclude her possibility to have acne."
The fact that she has acne doesn't change the fact that by regularly washing your face and maybe using appropriate consemtic products, you can minimize the amount of pimples and acne.

"It doesn't mean someone doesn't care for their skin, acne can also be triggered by hormones or even genes."
I know, but I didn't want to write a longer answer. Overall I agree that acne can happen. But let's be real.
1) If you let it get this bad, you are doing something wrong.
2) She isn't a teenager. Her hormone levels should only fluctuate this much if she has taken a morning after pill, or started doing high doses of steroid.

[TeaGirl]

If she started to recently take birth control or switched to a different kind of birth control hormones could start to fluctuate more than usual. Hormone levels fluctuate throughout the menstrual cycle, not only during puberty. She is in her late teens/early twenties, so it could very well be that she's still developing.
Also, having 'some spots' is different from having acne. Acne can still be very present when you're treating it, and the skin can be discolored because of acne scars or inflammation. Sometimes acne doesn't cure, it could be there your entire life. I think she knows her skin best, and I'm almost certain she has tried a few weeks without makeup hoping it'd clear her skin up. I know I have, at least.

[Benedek38]

@TeaGirl I don't know how much hormone fluctuation it causes, but either way, I think if you have to find excuses for it, it's not really a problem women face every day.

She's DEFINITELY not in her late teens/early twenties, I don't know where you got that from.

". I think she knows her skin best,"
Sure, the woman knows best! /sigh/
Except for the fact that I consistently see these makeup/no makeup videos, and somehow they ALL have ridiculous amounts of bruises/stuffed pores/pimples/acne.

"I'm almost certain she has tried a few weeks without makeup hoping it'd clear her skin up."
Are we talking about the woman on the bottom?
Because somehow I doubt she took the effort of putting on the same top, having the same earring, havign her hair done the same way JUST to take these two photos.

But whatever. Believe whatever you want.

[TeaGirl]

I get her age from the age that is listed, which states 18-24. I see that as late teens/early twenties, and I have no reason to doubt her for that.
Hormonal birth control clears acne for some, for others it induces it.
I say I think she knows her skin best, because I think she knows her skin better than the two of us. Of course a dermatologist could say more. She states in her reaction on your opinion that she doesn't wear makeup that often and that her acne doesn't worsen after a few hours of wearing makeup.
I personally don't know many women who have completely clear skin, so I don't think her skin is that bad.
I'm not saying she took a few weeks of no makeup in between the bottom two pictures. I'm saying I don't doubt she's tried that at some point, like most people with acne do. Just to see if it makes a difference in skin quality.

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 Based on watching youtube videos, what I have learned about women and men is that there are some people in this lifetime that have permanent acne. Is it natural to have acne at their age? No, but that doesn't mean there is a quick fix for it such as simply washing their face. I know a woman on youtube who has had cystic acne, but has been on accutane to cure it. She always wore makeup over her cystic acne. Simply "Washing her face" does not affect it. Now, if you make the claim that it was her makeup causing this, I am sure that even before she wore the makeup, she had cystic acne. It was genetics that caused her to have cystic acne. I have watched women become ridiculed for wearing makeup, ridiculed for the skin they have and were born with, and ridiculed for not "washing their face" or taking care of their skin. It is not that at all. Women can never win in the battle.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17
Ockham's razor.
How common is cystic acne?
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/103258.php
"[...] Cystic acne is the most severe form and affects far fewer people."
Which is more likely - that she has regular acne, and just forgot to wash her face properly after putting on makeup - or that she has a rare medical condition she doesn't know of?
by the way that doesn't look remotely like cystic acne. That looks far worse.

"Women can never win in the battle."
Bullshit.
I looked like the surface of the Moon when I was a teenager. I was greasy and swollen all the time. I tried an abrasive disinfectant mask, used it regularly, and I could contain my condition pretty well. After a while it went away almost completely, and I only had to deal with the occasional zits or acne, which was far easier.

I won't pretend I am a dermatologist, but I think even if regular hygiene doesn't help, the solution isn't to cover your face with makeup, and sweep it under the rug.

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 I wouldn't say that makeup "fixes the problem", but it does make the person feel better about going outside and possibly being ridiculed or treated differently for having cystic acne. If she went to a dermatologist, is on accutane (which is genuinely helping her, she has before and after pictures), she most likely has cystic acne. In fact, her's look EVEN WORSE than the pictures in the link you provided. I'm sure if "washing her face" was the solution she would do that and fix all her acne problems. I'm 100% sure that makeup does not cause cystic acne that is as bad as hers was which was blistering red all over her face.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17
"being ridiculed or treated differently for having cystic acne."
Welcome to the life of a 13-24 year old male.

"If she went to a dermatologist, is on accutane (which is genuinely helping her, she has before and after pictures), she most likely has cystic acne."
I was talking about the girl above, not the Youtuber you mentioned.

"In fact, her's look EVEN WORSE than the pictures in the link you provided."
Uhm... I'm sorry I have to do this... This is cystic acne:
www.amaskincare.com/.../AcneBeforeAndAfter02.jpg
Yeah.

"I'm sure if "washing her face" was the solution she would do that and fix all her acne problems."
Consistent hygiene and using disinfectants minimizes mild acne. The page I linked suggests using an alcoholic benzoyl peroxide solution.

"I'm 100% sure that makeup does not cause cystic acne"
It doesn't cause it, but it can make it worse.

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 Her cystic acne looks like the acne in the picture, but more all over. I mean I don't think everyone knows to use alcoholic benzoyl peroxide solution unless someone genuinely recommended it to them. Also, not every at home treatment will work for everyone. Also, I was referring the girl from youtube. Now, the whole point of my argument is to say that there are certain purposes that women wear makeup such as if they have severe acne. Sometimes girls even use a little and not a whole lot. That's not a bad thing. It doesn't make acne worse. I've worn a little, and I have no acne at all. The only acne that I get is from touching my skin too much or from eating oily foods. Now, it could be bad for other people's skin because not everyone's skin is the same, but even so, if you properly wash makeup off your face, it should not be a problem at all.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17
"I mean I don't think everyone knows to use alcoholic benzoyl peroxide solution unless someone genuinely recommended it to them."
It's the 21st century. If you have time for makeup videos, you could have googled how to cure your acne.

"It doesn't make acne worse."
It actually does.
www.howtogetridofacne.com/.../
"Your hygiene is one of the major reasons why you get acne. If a person is dirty and their face is oily most of the time. They go for hours without washing it or even checking to see if it’s getting too oily. They can easily get acne."
Foundation is commonly oil based. And even if powder based, the fact that you have makeup on prevents you from washing your skin, leading to acne.

"I've worn a little, and I have no acne at all."
I never said it CAUSES it, just makes it worse. IF you have none in the first place...

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 Do you know how many women genuinely check if a foundation is oil or water based? A lot. They prefer the water based formula foundation. They check ingredients. Now, I will say though that not all oil is bad. Think of coconut oil, rosehip oil, etc. You could research how to get rid of it, but if it doesn't work out or if someone wants a quick fix, they would most likely go to a dermatologist instead for bad cases. Based on the link, I will say that showering does help with acne because of your own oils and dirt that build up on your skin, but it doesn't say makeup. If you properly take makeup off like showering, you won't get acne.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17 It says oil makes it worse. Oil is oil, whether coconut, or human fat.
I worked in a KFC for a bit, and I know I had massive acne due to the frying oil there. So yeah.

"If you properly take makeup off like showering, you won't get acne."
That's not what I contested. What I said is that if you hae makeup on for 8 hours, chances are your face will get oily, and your acne will get worse.

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 Well, obviously, frying oil is bad for you, but other oils are different from the type of oil that you cook with. Have you ever researched the types of oils and their properties? You say oil is oil, but no. It's like saying people are the same as other people. No, all people are different. Saying all oil is the same is not true. People can put different oils on their faces and not get acne or their pores clogged. I have seen people do it. I have seen people not get acne. I have tried it myself for my own experience, and I still have absolutely no acne unless it's with COOKING OIL. Also, you're face will get oily no matter what you put on it. Makeup or no makeup. You'll still get oily faced, more so in the summer and winter. If you say that makeup will cause you to get more oily, it doesn't really matter. You're face can get naturally more oily in the summer or winter anyways. You're going to get oily either way. The only way to combat this is a shower.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17
Oil is oil because all natural fats/oils share the common property of being apolar, and therefore not beign soluble in water. The reason covering your face in oil causes acne is because your sweat and toxins can't clear out through the pores (since the oil covering them can't be penetrated by water based sweat), so it gets stuck, and becomes inflamated, and might even grow into a cyst.
And ALL oils are apolar.

"People can put different oils on their faces and not get acne or their pores clogged."
I repeat myself. It makes acne worse. But if you have no tendency to acne (your pores don't excrete anything other than sweat) you will NOT get acne.

"Also, you're face will get oily no matter what you put on it."
That's why you wash it.

" If you say that makeup will cause you to get more oily, it doesn't really matter. "
That's literally not what I said.

"The only way to combat this is a shower. "
So you agree that regularly washing yoru face helps acne go away?

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 1. Yes, I know that is not what you said. I am saying IF YOU SAY IT for future purposes in case you happen to mention saying it. 2. Yes, I agree that showering will help with acne, but this is not always the case if you have a very bad medical case of acne. 3. So, you agree that even with makeup on, and you get oily, it doesn't matter because you produce oils naturally even without makeup? Therefore, makeup is okay and should be allowed since it does not change the skin much whatsoever.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17
"makeup is okay and should be allowed since it does not change the skin much whatsoever."
Let me tell you how many times I wipe my face on a daily basis.
A LOT.
And if my skin feels disgusting and oily, I often wash it.
Now let me tell you what you CAN'T do with makeup on?
EXACLY THAT!
Makeup deteriorates acne by making you unable to wash your face when you feel like you need to. THis is what I am saying.

[Elaine_17]

@Benedek38 Do you even know how what comes with makeup? We have oil blotting paper that soaks up oils. We have powders that you can put on that SOAKS UP OILS. Now, if this is a matter of wanting to wash the face. You can WASH YOUR FACE AFTER YOUR DONE WITH THE MAKEUP while using makeup wipes and water. It's like exercising for hours in the heat and your sweaty and oily. Just wash yourself, and you'll be fine.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17 Oh my, god... at the end of the day, you STILL have shit smeared all over your face which blocks pores from leaking sweat.

[Benedek38]

@Elaine_17 Seriously, why are you defending makeup? It's bad for your skin. Fact. You can check it literally anywhere.

[RationalMale]

Think about it though and flip it around.

Imagine guys started wearing counterfeit Breitling watches, wearing suits all the time (that they bought on cheap from Goodwill) and driving really fancy rental cars.

Sure it would definitely bump a TON of guys up in confidence and their number rating. And then imagine how outraged girls would be at finding out it's basically a lie.

Same thing with makeup.

[myTake Owner]

Uhhhh... How would any of that be an issue? I prefer to associate with thrifty people as I am one myself and I see no need at all to pay out the ass for something you could get for $15 at Goodwill.
I guess some girls of questionable virtues might be enraged to find out a guy isn't loaded, but isn't it better to put off those types in the first place?
Overall, poor comparison.

[RationalMale]

Not really. Unless you wanted to say fake muscles, the male equivalent of makeup is a guy who buys counterfeit watches, dresses sharp, has an awesome car, but actually works in retail and is flat broke.

[Elaine_17]

If he works in retail, he wouldn't be flat out broke. He would still be making money. I don't think wanting to have nice things is a bad thing. It's about the person's personality not the material items he has. Same thing with makeup. It's not about the makeup. It's about what's on the inside. I wouldn't care if the guy was flat out broke if I loved him for him not his expensive cars and fancy suits.

[StrangerByTheDay]

Totally agree with you dear Anonymous.
I have always stated myself I don't like women with too much make up, but, would prefer the least minimum, a clear clean face.
My own point of view, what I really dislike in make up is the "Plastic" effect it has on a woman's face.
I prefer lip gloss over lip sticks, or even, nothing.
If I want to base myself on your example, honestly, the first thing that attracted me were the blue eyes. Dark hair and blue eyes are my weakness.
A man with a shaved face or not?
Sure, I don't wear make up but I feel better cleaning my face and shaving. So for a woman, I would appreciate her more with a clean clear face instead of too much make up.
I don't actually know how to explain myself more.
Let's say, a clear clean matt face in my own opinion is way more better looking and attractive than shiny plastic face.

It is just a matter of society and the trends that adult movies, Hollywood movies, TV series, etc... send as an image. We don't all look like porn stars nor Hollywood stars. Women are not waxed from face to heels. They don't shine like a Barbie girl in a box at a toys shop, etc...

Besides the make up case and everything, when you love someone, you will be looking further into the eyes, to the soul they are leaving the physical aspects behind.

[ScaryCool]

To be fair, it's not like we are trained in this. All our lives when we hear from girls saying should I put make up on and they refer to the lipstick mascara eyeliner etc

Another thing to keep in mind too is that, for me at least, I say no make up because I want to feel that person's skin the most. Make up has a feel to it, I know because I was with someone who actually didn't wear it and when she did it was more easy to tell. Plus I personally don't think makeup can be good for you on a daily basis.

If a girl wants to wear make up, we aren't against it, but some of is actually would rather the girl on the left for the reasons listed above. Plus it may sound silly but it's like another show of honesty if that makes sense? You're showing me who you really are or look like, and in turn you don't have to worry what I think when you wake up first thing in the morning cause I've expressed you're already beautiful.

I find the 'imperfections in people unique and at times beautiful. It helps people stand out.

[cherryphi82]

"To be fair, it's not like we are trained in this." But at least, you admit this. So many guys don't, and act like they know what they're talking about when they are then completely shocked when the actually see a girl without it. It's just as dishonest to say you like make-up free and not really know what you're talking about as a girl who puts on tons of it and looks different without it.

[ScaryCool]

@cherryphi82 You make a fair point for sure haha. I think just more discussion of this with guy friends or boyfriends will help spread this out to more people.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I just genuinely hate makeup, Even in the pictures you put up, I think the before ones look perfect, And the after ones are just gross.

And, Girls need to stop with the ''guys dont understand no makeup looks actually have no makeup'', Were not stupid, and its very obvious. If your skin is 100% clear and the same tone, Its makeup. Human skin just dosent work like that. And its noticeable. Same with brows, Lips, Everyhting, Its so so so noticeable even when you think its not.

Point is, Guys dont were makeup, If we look ugly, We look ugly. We can't just go slap some shit on our faces and hope to gain 2-5 points on the looks scale in societies eye, So its just pretty shitty on the flip side.

And, Before ''eugh we wear makeup for ourselves not to impress guys !111!!11'', Aye... Genuinely dont think I've ever been in a bar or nightclub where the girls trying to take / flirt aren't fucking caked in makeup, and the next day you see them walking around with a clean face...

TL:DR. All makeup is obvious, It looks bad. Go natural, As in, Actual natural, Not shit loads of makeup that y'all call ''natural makeup look''.

[kkendall]

only responding to one point since I suppose it's your personal opinion about preferences, but actually a lot of women wear makeup for themselves, and you as a male can't tell us that's false.

[Opinion Owner]

@kkendall this logic is flawed in heterosexual females

You're not thinking about it "we wear makeup for ourselves" > why got yourselves "because it makes us feel better about our appearance" > why does it make you feel better about your appearance "because it makes us look more attractive so of other people see us hotter we feel better" > and who do you care about seeing you look hotter? "Other girls and guys we like"...

I can tell you it's false, and I will tell you it's false, you can't possibly tell me no female wears makeup to look better for guys they want to attract... Ofcourse they do... Why do you think girls who are "going out" and going to date places and stuff cake that shit on.

[kkendall]

there are definitely plenty of females who wear makeup to attract male attention. I'm just saying there are also plenty of women who don't.

[Anonymous]

Makeup is good for photos, for looking good for a moment. But for actually spending time with people actually being without make is preferred.

Yes, I can tell the "no-makeup" look has makeup. Again, good for a photo but I'd rather a crush wear less makeup.

Yes, I want a naturally beautiful woman. People say it like there's something wrong with that, like when men say they like less makeup it's supposed to mean that I'm only allowed to either only like *all* women without makeup or only like women who look good without considering how much makeup they have.

Life is full of these tensions, I want you to both look good and not wear makeup, I want a balance of those factors. I'd rather you wear less makeup and "theoretically" look worse; even though it doesn't actually look "worse" to *me.*

But it's important to note that just because you wear no makeup doesn't mean I'm *supposed* to like you, you can still be unattractive. Similarly, just because you can look "theoretically" good in make up doesn't mean I'm going to like you with it on and certainly doesn't mean I'm going to like you without it... you can still be unattractive.

As I see it the real source of frustration that has women give men shit for this "I prefer less makeup" line is that they don't have a *solution* to the problem, that is to say they don't have a reliable choice. If guys can all agree that no makeup is just magically good then they have their choice sorted. If they can operate under the assumption that looking as good as possible with makeup is good then they're sorted. But the dynamic of two factors: look good and be natural -- which are often treated like they are mutually exclusive, they aren't -- creates decision-making tension compared to the old paradigm. Women hip to this jive know not to try too hard.

[LittleBird_]

I avoid make-up.
Even on special days. (Though I don't think putting on makeup on special days is wrong/absurd, but I personally don't. )

Because of some significant reasons:

1) I like myself natural.
2) I'm too lazy to put in on everyday.
2) I want men to see me the way I am.
4) Make-up tools are a waste of money.

I think every girl should avoid it because it triggers skin aging, blocks the pores and therefore makes pimples pop-up, when you put in on regularly you are almost unrecognizeable with it.
If you don't put on make-up regularly and put in on on special days, people will think you are stunning with it.
If you put on make-up regularly and don't put it on one day people will think you are less pretty with it.

[_Just_A_girl_]

Thank you ! preach.

[SaltyBooze]

well, you do believe that women have monstrously hideous faces that need foundation to even look ok... but I've been majorly dating girls who wear no make up. how would i know it? I've been living with them, or visiting their houses most of the time. no makeups on sight except "that one for the special occasions like weddings, that i have to remove from the bottom drawer, and its expired or covered in dust". all of them were definitely gorgeous women (some of them in their own personal way). that being said, i also dated women who did wear make up... and even tho my personal preference is a clean face, i didn't mind her having make up at all. makeup "fixes" the issues with ones complexion, but i like the issues and the general skin texture. which is something that completely turns me off with erotic magazines with photoshop. i feel like im looking at a drawing rather than a person.

[SaintJonesy]

I had a mom and sisters and female roommates and I've been to countries where make-up isn't really a thing, so I know what women look like without make-up.

If you want to wear make-up that's ok. It's a legitimate interest/hobby even. But I'm also totally ok with women not wearing make-up. Or if you're gonna wear make-up maybe only do it sometimes. It is a little off-putting when a girl has to spend forty-five minutes on make-up to go to the grocery store.

One of my best friends doesn't wear make-up. She says it "weeds out the weak" lol.

[whyisitso]

In those pictures the without make-up one is better. I love the natural look with all it's little details and faults. Nothing wrong with that. But makeup can make you look cartoonish and too much of it will just be bad for the skin and nature.

Don't worship a stupid old-fashioned invention "to make your face more visible". That was what makeup was used for before. For theater. Nowadays it is to go undercover for a lifetime.

And if you don't use make-up to please guys, why do you even need to prove this point. You couldn't even prove it... Sigh.

[lilaqua]

Look it's not really a big deal to me. I find that makeup is primarily a social thing, a manipulation of the 'halo' effect to be more socially advantageous. To be fair when I do wear makeup beyond a bit of concealer and mascara I go full out with eyes, rainbow, smokey so they're clearly fake but also an extension of the outfit or personality, like jewellery or clothing. But the good thing about my face is that beyond bad skin my face doesn't actually change a lot so I feel like people aren't "disappointed' at my naked face. They see my going out makeup like a costume of sorts.

[Sesiero]

Raised by a single mother while being the youngest of three. After a certain point I realized looking beyond appearance helps often. That being said, I firmly believe in light makeup. Men, do not like deception at their core. However, we at least want to see women take care of themselves in much the same way women want guys who care for their appearance (The hairstyle, facialhair, nails equality rule). Though to get back to a personal point, when I look at a person, I try to see what they will look like in the future, not the present (and its rather depressing to be honest)

[CubsterShura]

People seriously make a big deal out of it... Seriously guys if you feel like you got tricked after seeing your girlfriend without makeup then you are at fault. I can't get it through my head... Who even gets into relationship with a girl without seeing her without makeup or with less makeup at least once?

[Servus09]

Let's say there was a trick men could do to give themselves 30lbs of muscle and instantly appear to be more physically attractive to women. Women could also do this trick but it would not increase their attractiveness to men. Let's also assume some of these men develop a false sense of sexual value.

This is basically what makeup does for women. It gives the illusion that women are more attractive than they actually are. For the average guy, dating becomes more challenging because they can't just throw on 30lbs of muscle and jump from average to above average like women can. So I think some men prefer that women not wear makeup because they know these women are more down to earth and realistic.

[c0ral_reef]

well attractiveness in physical sense is not as important for a male as a female. male are more looked up for success (aka money ) to ensure they can raise child. women are more looked upon because of their beauty.

[Servus09]

@c0ral_reef
I strongly disagree. If that was the case, then there would be more women at the gym.

[c0ral_reef]

well, that's because of women's history of being oppressed and not wanting them to exercise and do sports, they are expected to instead of going to them gym (possibly getting muscular) to eat less which makes them thinner. However, there are more women going to the gym and working out nowadays, perhaps they work out at home because of all the stares and catcalls we get at gym.

[Servus09]

@c0ral_reef
OH PLEASE!

Women could always do backbreaking labor if they wanted to. But for some odd reason, they didn't build the railroads or work in mines. I guess it was because they were soo oppressed.

[c0ral_reef]

Ok believe what you want.

[Servus09]

@c0ral_reef - Look, both men and women had difficult lives in the past. Only a hundred years ago people survived on what amounts to a dollar a day. Both men and women have suffered a lot in the past, and together they tried to make their lives better. It has always been a partnership throughout history.

I'm sorry if I don't believe the feminist narrative that men have always been oppressive to women. That's just a lie to divide men and women. Feminists want you to feel oppressed by men, when in fact you have no reason to feel that way, other than because they tell you to feel that way. It's good for their ideology because it keeps the victimhood mentality and disdain for men alive.

[Journeyman11]

If makeup is fair game, then so is lying about your income. I'm dead serious about that. You want men who can provide, we want beautiful women. It's both deception.
Also, if none of you ever wore make up, our expectations and standards would adjust. A girl who is a 5 when all girls wear make-up is still a 5 when no girl wears make-up.
All make-up does is shift the scale.
But it's a vicious cycle. If you are the only girl who doesn't wear make-up, you'll look less attractive compared to the girls who do. That's why every girl does it.

[cherryphi82]

"A girl who is a 5 when all girls wear make-up is still a 5 when no girl wears make-up." Very interesting way of looking at it... but I disagree, not every girl does it.

[Journeyman11]

@cherryphi82 Well yeah... the really good looking ones probably ^^

[Journeyman11]

You're right though

[Anonymous]

i mean guys are attracted to attractive girls , and that could be subjective but obviously a guy would go for what he thinks is more attractive and makeup obviously enhances how you look and makes you more attractive therefore raises your chances of attracting someone. when done naturally makeup can look great. not all of us look good without makeup or have 'natural' beauty. i dont wear makeup because idc about attracting someone right now , but when i do want to look attractive i obviously know what works and what doesn't and its just how things are.

[Aynsof]

I think you are mistaken
Having been married I saw my ex wife in the morning I know quite well how it looks entirely without
And I still say better without
Makeup is just essentially a female peacocking
Women see other women with makeup getting more attention and then assume men are lying when they say they prefer women without
But makeup is a signal from women that they want attention and there for they get more
Men say they prefer women without and it is true but not all of the story... at least for me But I assume others feel the same I mostly prefer the women i am in a relationship with to at least keep it to a minimum because I wish to love them as they are but for being single makeup is a way to show that a woman is approachable it is not that I like it for itself but it serves a signal function

[ElvenMr]

There is truth in that "no make up" look.
Clean and tan skin can make you look attractive without make up too in my opinion.

Interestingy, my friend doesn't care if someone is less attractive to him without makeup, cause he says that he'll see her with make up most of the time anyway.

It is very deceiving sadly, like that cake that looks really good, but tastes bad.
Not like i hate make up, i just don't like it when it's overdone or tasteless (like the cake lol).

by the way do you think girls want a guy based on how they see themselfs in make up, or without it? Like if she is "8-9" in make up, without she is "6", but still looking for "8" men, like she is still an "8-9"?

[Kurαȷ]

I thought this was obvious.
The case against makeup is that some men fail to recognize the natural looks underneath and feel misled by the makeup, not that the makeup actually makes people look "worse" than they do.
Because it doesn't, and you are not convincing anyone that it does.

[SirenDep]

the take is good. But the title doesn't fit it. A better title would be 'do men really prefer women with no makeup on?'. I clicked because I expected to read about why makeup sucks, eg what it causes to the skin in the long run, it's costly, the harm done to the environment, etc.

[JulieXO]

I think the same amount of make up can look very different on every girl. For me personally, even if I wear heavy makeup, I still look like myself, only an arguably better version. I know girls who basically undergo metamorphosis when they put on mascara, which might be a tad misleading to guys.

[rozequarts]

some good comments here and there but in the end it doesn't matter makeup or no makeup if a guy likes you over other girls for your personality. Yes attraction is important, which is where the makeup plays a role, but the distinguishing factor between two pretty girls is the personality.